follow me on twitter on loudobbsnews.com. on today's broadcast, congressman of new york defending his statement he would vote against his constituent interests on health care and the public option. that's the show tonight. we thank you for being with us. next, campbell brown. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, hear the questions we want answered. is michael vick for real? >> the hurt and the guilt that i felt and that was the reason i crashed so many nights. >> the nfl star who went to prison for running a dogfighting ring tells "60 minutes" he's a changed man. is he just manipulating the media to get back in the game and cash in once more? michael vick's apology tour. also, why would anyone bring a weapon to a town hall with the president? >> in america people have the ability to fight back and to

resist. >> it's not against the law but is it way over the line? plus tonight's "newsmaker." milwaukee's major beaten with a pipe after he tried to stop an attack on a grandmother and baby. >> the mayor was willing to stand between that guy and defenseless and suffered significant wounds. >> we'll tell you how he's doing tonight. and the truth is out there. the british government shares its secret x files on aliens and ufos with the world. hey, there, everybody. this is a big question tonight. we're going to start as we always do with our "mashup," a look at the stories making impact right now. the moments you may have missed today. he is taking a beating from the right. tonight, president obama fending

off blows from the left as well. the subject, health care, obvious. the fire starting right here on cnn. health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius detede t detear clairing a public insurance option is not an essential element in reform. boy, did it enflame liberals. hear now the view from the left. >> in july the president promised health care reform centered around a public option. now he acts like it's another foot note on the stump. >> i would love to be one of the big supporters of the obama plan. i have to know it includes a public option. >> you're not going to have real reform without some kind of public option. >> we got a statement, i have it here from nancy pelosi, saying she's fully behind the so-called public option. >> i favor the public option. >> representative barbara lee says if you have a reform without a public option, it's not reform at all. >> i'm not ready to put the name nail if the coffin of the public

option. >> will the president bend to the public? the white house insists the public option is still the best way to achieve their health care goals. all you word watchers know that's anything but a real answer. how hard is the left willing to fight? we're going to tackle that question coming up tonight. now, the white house may be under the gun on health care, they are sounding pretty upbeat about the economy these days. if you think we're out of the woods, check out what happened today in the president's hometown. >> chicago, a bit quieter today than usual. that's because many nonessential city services are shut down for the day, to save money. >> many people showing up at city hall today were surprised to find out the city that works is taking an unpaid day off. >> garbage is getting collected today. senior centers are closed. medical and health clinics run by the city are not open and city hall is shut down. it affects those folks. >> reporter: if you wanted to pay a parking ticket in the city

of chicago today, forget about it. >> this is ludicrous. >> reporter: needed to use a library? think again. >> it's a real headache. it's a real headache. >> looking here and it looks like the other people at work today, meter maids? >> yeah, meter maids. that means you can still get a parking ticket. don't worry. the city is still looking to make money. >> we should note essential public safety workers, firefighters, police officers were still on the job today. chicago expects to save $8.3 million. we all know it is a tough time to be in public office these days. a long, angry summer probably has more than one lawmaker wondering who exactly comes next. there is always time for a second act like this one. >> this morning we reveal the new cast of "dancing with the stars." a surprise guest. really ready to shake up stuff? >> that's right.

texas two step delay. >> they used to call tom delay the hammer. maybe he'll do the hammer when he's dancing. >> hammer time. >> somebody who was indicted for violating campaign finance law is now a celebrity. he ought to be running for, like, prom queen in san quentin or some place, shouldn't he? >> he hasn't been convicted yet. >> delay's competition includes kelly osborn, singer macy gray and model kathy ireland. it is must-see tv. the congressman is going to be here tomorrow night to tell us about it. if that is not weird enough for you, turn to the brits and just-released info about some close encounters. >> detailing hundreds of ufo

sightings reported to britain's defense ministry are being released online. >> the release of more than 4,000 pages of documents related to ufo sightings reveal no fewer than 800. 800 alleged encounters over the last 20 years. >> 1996 was the bumper alien year. 609 sightings, up fivefold from the year before. 1996 was also the year the tv show "x files" was at its peak. that same year, will smith battled aliens in "independence day." coincidence? interesting that defense officials admit that a tiny percentage, 1% defy explanation. that doesn't mean they believe that they're aliens. it's just that they're unidentified. >> we're going to have more on that story coming up as well. get ready folks. this weekend's top movie, "the low budget sleeper" hits

district nine. it, too, all about aliens. watch the skies. that said, if you're looking for something superhuman, find it here on earth. this weekend the fastest man alive got faster. check out usain bolt of jamaica blowing away the competition at the 100 meter sprint in berlin setting a new world record. >> bolt got a good one. here's bolt. bolt charging to the front. usain bolt, look at the time. 9, 58. it is into a headwind. >> and the old world record also set by bolt last year, these days he is clearly his only competition. that brings us to our punch line. not too much a joke tonight. it's a funny exchange that involves brad pitt.

just watch this. this is from hbo. >> i remember being at a new year's eve party with you many years ago. >> that wasn't me. >> yes, it was. and you were on the floor -- not on the -- no, no. i said that wrong. you were certainly very sober. but you just all night rolled these perfect joint. like a machine, like a cigarette. bigger than a cigarette. >> i'm an artist. >> you are -- >> brad pitt did go on to say now that he's a dad his stoner days way behind him. that is the "mashup." when we come back, protesters openly carrying guns sh showed up at president obama's speech today. completely legal. tonight's big question is it also completely over the line? will the left sink president

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post." keeping a blog focused on health care. jeffrey toobin as well. become to everybody. congressman, let me start with you. you said you won't vote for a bill without a public option. why is this a deal breaker for you? >> it's a deal breaker because the whole idea, the kind behind health care reform is to bring down the cost. we cannot bring down the cost unless there's a public option that will create competition. we cannot turn this over to the same people who have been, you know, making the costs of health care just go off the scale. the premiums continue to go up. they continue to make more money and the ceos continue to make big salaries. we've got to stop that. the only way to stop it is with a public option. >> congresswoman, president clinton who knows quite a lot about what it's like to fight for health care and fail has been warning liberals, you know, not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good here.

let me just play you a little bit of what he said, this is to a group of liberal bloggers this weekend. listen. >> it is politically imperative for the democrats to pass a health care bill now because one thing we know -- one thing we know and that i've lived through is that if you get out there and then you don't prevail, the victors get to rewrite history and i want us to be mindful that sometimes we may have to take less than a full loaf. >> what do you think about that? sometimes we may have to take less than a full loaf. are you not prepared to make any compromise? >> listen, no. let me tell you, you know i'm one who supported single-payer plan. most of us progressives did support a single-payer plan. they asked us not to push on that, that that was going to be impossible to do, this would cost a lot of confrontation.

we backed up on single payer and decided we would go with public option supported by the president of the united states and we considered that we've made a huge compromise. so it's not that we want the perfect. we want what is credible. you cannot have credible health care reform if you don't address the issue of the rising cost. this is not just about the uninsured. this is about working people who every day go to work and increasingly they're paying a larger percentage of their income for health care than in recent years. >> let me have jeff back it up a little bit and explain to people what we're talking about when we talk about the public option. what does that mean for people at home? >> people talk about these things in shorthand and code. simple terms, public option, we know what insurance companies are. most of us have our insurance through aetna, united health care, oxford, whatever. president idea behind this plan is that there would be a different plan. uncle sam's plan run by the government where you could get

insurance through the government and conservatives say, well, that's unfair to the existing companies because they would undercut, drive them out of business like congressman waters says, supporters of the plan say, look, it's just good competition and there's no reason why it would be unfair. look how well u.p.s. and fedex do competing against the post office. >> you heard congresswoman waters there. give us a sense for how intense the anger is on the left over this. are they willing to really put muscle behind it? >> it's very significant, right? i think for the left and for that matter for the right the public option has become the single symbolic measure of success on this. it's a big bill. the parts are hard to follow. it's hard to say whether you're winning or you're losing. this has become the way people decide that. as for the muscle side of things, it's going to be a

tricky fight. an argument has been made if you try to sacrifice the public option for a cup votes in the senate you're going to lose so many in the house you can't pass the bill. people don't think they're really going to kill health care reform. i've spoken with the chairwoman of the caucus and they seem serious about it to me. >> address that argument, if you would, congresswoman, that i guess bottom line is that they think you're bluffing. >> well, let me just say that this is a dynamic process and for those of us who feel strongly about having a public option, having a credible health care reform bill, not caving in so much that what you get won't amount to real reform, we're serious. i'm told that someone said, oh, you don't have to worry about the progressives. we'll eventually get them. i don't think that is the case this time. i think we have a lot of people who feel very strongly about this. we're going to hold firm and

we're going to demand we have a credible health care bill. no one can say we're not willing to compromise at any time, any place, any where. we did thatting on single payer. we showed that we were willing to work with the blue dogs and the opposite side of the aisle and anybody else who didn't like single payer. so we backed up and now we are insisting on having a public option and i think that's where we're going to stick. >> all right. congresswoman waters, maxine waters joining us tonight, ezer klein and jeff toobin going to stick around to talk to us later in the show. thank you very much, guys. tomorrow we're going to hear from deepak chopra who says the opposition to health care reform is lying. he also has a solution that cuts congress -- the health care discussion. you're going to hear his unusual take tomorrow. if you want to learn how the reforms could affect you, your family, check out cnn.com/healthcare. we have posted town halls, fact checks and a whole lot more to

help you out. tonight's "newsmaker," michael vick is just out of prison on an apology tour. does he really deserve a second shot at the nfl? the mayor turned hero. he saved a grandmother and baby but paid a painful price. >> tom stepped up and did the right thing. he called 911 and tried to calm the situation, protect a grandmother and her grandchild. as a result of his actions, tom was attacked and struck repeatedly with a metal object. limb: dude that was sick! i've been hangin' up there for, what, like, forty years? and then - wham - here i am smacking the pretty off that windshield of yours. oh, what you're looking for an apology? well, toss another coin in the wishing well, pal. it's not happenin'. limb: hey, what's up, donnie? how you been? anncr: accidents are bad. anncr:but geico's good ding!

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let's check out some of the other must-see stories of the day.

hln's mike galanos at the cnn center with tonight's "download." u.s. supreme court ordered a new hearing for a georgia inmate convicted of murdering an off-duty man years ago. several witnesses since recanted their testimony. davis remains on death row. his executions have been put on hold. crazy video here. a life or death struggle caught on camera in taiwan. take a look at this. tv cameraman trying to cross a typhoon-swollen river on foot almost got swept away. thankfully three other men were able to pull him and his camera to safety. quite a scene there. in taiwan, a team of u.s. helicopters arrived today to help the disaster relief effort. here's a toy you won't see in costco anymore. an african-american baby doll wearing a hat that says little monkey on it. it comes with a toy banana, toy monkey. a north carolina customer

claimed it was racist. the doll's maker said it didn't mean any offense. it makes white and hispanic versions of same doll. they're apologizing. costco is apologizing. the question everybody is asking, how does it make it through inspection and end up on store shelves? as a music icon, bob dylan universally recognized. on the jersey shore last month not so much. cops were called about a quote/unquote an excentric looking man wandering in the rain. the man told police he was bob dylan checking out a house in the neighborhood. he didn't have an i.d. the rookie cop didn't buy it. until she drove him to a hotel. the tour manager showed up and the cop saw dylan's passport. give credit to bob dylan. no tantrum here. many other stars would have flipped out. dylan was like, those are my tour buses. the quote we have from the cop is, oh, woops.

>> because he know, as soon as he found out -- i read she was 22. that was the reason she didn't know who he was. he's too iconic. you should know what bob dylan looks like even at 22. >> all he wants is a ride back to the neighborhood to keep looking at houses. >> great story. mike galanos for us tonight. tonight's "newsmaker," michael vick. he is out of prison. says he is sorry. is he being totally scripted and should he get another shot at nfl glory? also, extreme protesters showed up at president obama's event today openly carrying guns. one guy had a semiautomatic rifle. you have to see this to believe it when we come back. introducing new centrum ultra men's. a complete multivitamin for men. it has antioxidants and vitamin d... to support your prostate and colon. new centrum ultra men's.

but i did. you need to talk to your doctor about aspirin. you need to be your own advocate. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. you take care of your kids, now it's time to take care of yourself. is michael vick's remorse for real? fresh out of prison for running a dogfighting right, vick's quote, i'm sorry tour, took him to "60 minutes" last night for a sit-down it james brown. take a look. >> in the operation, michael, that you pleaded guilty to

bankrolling, being a part of, barbers, treatment of other animals. beating them, shooting them, electrocuting them, drowning them. horrific things, michael. >> it was wrong. i don't know how many times i have to say it. i mean, it was wrong. i feel, you know, i feel tremendous hurt behind what happened, and, you know, i should have took the initiative to stop it all, you know, and i didn't and i feel so bad about that now and i know, you know, i didn't step up. i wasn't the leader. >> now, vick's made for tv apology begs the question, is he truly sorry or just sorry he got caught and couldn't play football? joining me now, les bowen, sports ryer for "the philadelphia daily news." sports attorney, david cornwell in atlanta for us tonight.

back again, cnn senior legal analyst, jeff toobin with me as well. les, you were talking with us last week and said philadelphia eagles fans were spread 50/50 in terms of their reaction to vick, maybe leaning a little bit negative. do you think his interview helped him? >> i don't think it changed that much. he did give a press conference here friday which was very heavily covered in the local media and said many of the same things. that gets to the scripted squalt that you brought up earlier. he is saying kind of the same stuff in these appearances. you wonder if they are his words or not. >> jeff, that was kind of the point i kept hearing. people listen to the "60 minutes" interview in the newsrooms, watch the press conference and sounds too rehearsed like somebody sat him down and said, you want to play football, you want the cash -- >> you better be really sorry. my skill set does not include

insight into the immortal soul of michael vick. >> come on. >> because of my vick -- this guy went to prison for a year and a half. he paid his debt to society. at this point, you know, shire, he should be contrite. i don't know whether he is or not. i think he deserves a second chance. i would like less famous people to get second chances, too, but certainly michael vick does, too. if i know philly fans, if mcnabb gets herd and michael vick throws for 300 yards a game, they won't care how many dogs he killed. >> is that what this is about? david, let me get your take on that. is it really about his performance on the field and if he's playing well and have a winning season, nobody cares? >> i think now it is. he had to get through this past week. the reason that his answers seem the same is that he's being asked the same questions. the real test is that he gave his supporters something to embrace. he gave people with open minds something to be optimistic

about. and most importantly, he didn't give his critics anything to use against him. it's time to move on from the public apology and focus on football. >> he did, though, let me play more of f interview. he addressed efforts to make amends what he's worked out with the humane society. listen to this. >> i'm going to let me actions to change speak louder than my words and be involved in the community. because i still, regardless of football, will have a voice that can have an impact on kids because i've been a living example of what not to do. >> les, i'll get your take. he has -- okay. >> why don't these people stay away from kids? just play football. i don't need him to be an inspiration. >> why not, though? those are our role models for children. they're athletes. they're sports heroes. why shouldn't there be an obligation, especially if you've

gone down this path to do something a little better? >> kids are smarter than that. just play football. i don't want him to be a role model. >> go ahead, who was jumping in there. was that you, les. >> that was me. there's a deal that was made here. the owner of the eagles would not have signed off on this if vick were not worried to be proactive in doing a lot of appearances, in talking about dogfighting. there is a dog fighting culture in philadelphia, that, perhaps, he can be instrumental in dismantling to some extent. i mean, that is part of the deal. it's a very real part of the deal. it won't be swept under the rug. if none of that stuff takes place, he's not going to be on the eagles. i understand the point but it is going to have to happen. the involvement in the community is going to have to happen for this to move forward. >> quickly, david. >> it's also a part of his sentence. he has to do community service. to a certain level jeffrey's

right. the best way for a football player to rebuild his image is to play football. >> all right, guys. as always, thank you. the selling and and selling and selling of michael jackson. we're going to look into the windfall his estate is reaping for some people. we're going to look into this, too. guns in plain sight with the president in plain sight also. (announcer) take your time to find the right time with cialis for daily use... a clinically proven, low-dose tablet for erectile dysfunction you take every day so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. don't drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease

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i'm about to show you something that is perfectly legal, but think about your own reaction when i tell you this is right outside the convention center where president obama spoke today in phoenix. this is a man who showed up with what we believe to be a semiautomatic rifle hanging off his shoulder. arizona among the states where you can carry a firearm in public. >> i'm exercising my right as an american in arizona. well, i come from another state where open carry is legal, but no one does it, so the police don't really know about it and

they harass people, arrest people falsely, and i think that people need to get out and do it for so they get kind of condition to it. >> and he was not alone. about a dozen others were also in the crowd armed. are they merely invoke their right or part of what could be a dangerous trend here? with me right now, conservative commentator, steve smith. lou palimbo who heads his own security firm. roland martin with us as well tonight. mark, let me start with you on this tonight. nobody questioning anybody's second-amendment rights here. this is about just basic rational thought, bringing a gun to an event where the president is speaking. >> it is dopy. they are allowed to do it. people make a political statement when they go to political events. if he's making a political statement about the fact he has the right to carry arms, so be it. keep in mind, president obama wants to leave the beltway.

he wants to leave new york city. he wants to go out there and meet real americans. real americans carry guns. real americans own gun for self-defense because real americans don't have secret service officers surrounding them 24/7. >> you're telling me that guy was carrying a gun to that rally for self-defense? >> i don't know why he was carrying the gun. the point is americans when you leave the beltway in washington and new york city carry guns, they own guns. if president obama wants to talk to real americans he's going to have to talk to people who own guns. >> people walk around with semiautomatic -- i'm from louisiana. i know a lot of people with guns. as far as i know they don't carry around semiautomatic. >> they are what sheen guns. they're not allowed to own those unless you qualify for a special permit. the point is if president obama wants to sell his health care plan to ordinary americans he's going to have to sell his plan to people who own guns. >> roland, go ahead. sorry. let you do this.

>> mark, cut this crap about the elite -- i'm born and raised in texas. this is a town hall meeting dealing with health care. all this guy wanted to do was get on television. >> i agree. mark, mark, mark, one second. >> he's not the only one either, to roland's point. a lot of people have been doing to this to make a point. there are kids there, other people at this rally, the president is there. let me let lou jump in here. can't the secret service do something here? >> there is a provision in the secret service, they're taking a look at anybody that demonstrated this lack of discretion. it's about our good judgment and good taste. you know, this president has a wife and he has children. these incidents impact these people as well as the president. quite frankly, you know, if they're going to continue to act with this level of indiscretion, i will guarantee you the proper adjustment is going to be made in the law enforcement community to make sure these people are properly surveilled.

>> come on, good judgment? i agree it wasn't good judgment. you're going to go out there and pass laws to deal with good judgment? if you're going to start passing laws -- you have a long way to go. >> it's about asking the secret service to step in more aggressively. >> he was not arrested. >> let's cut to the chase. this man was not arrested. nobody was arrested. those people who had guns were not arrested. they were acting peacefully. the fact that you don't like it -- >> hold on. hold on. let me let roland jump in. >> you were giving the speech. there were people showing up with guns, i doubt you would be standing there saying, yeah, that's great. here's the other thing. cnn.com had a story of the other day of a man carrying tle ining handguns wheeled into a hospital for a hit injury. they took the guns away from him. he pulled another gun out. the officer had to shoot and it killed him in the hospital. i get the notion of gun culture. the reality is this is a president at a health care meeting.

if you want to talk about the first and second amendment, fine, have another forum. >> this is about health care. these people were outside the meeting, roland. these were not the people actually in the meeting. they were outside the meeting. last i knew, in arizona, and in most places of the united states, you can go to a meeting and exercise your constitutional rights. the united states supreme court says you have the right to bear arms. you may not like that. that's just the way the law is it. >> if we're trying to -- mark, all honesty, can we agree the people showing up with guns, i would assume, are against health care reform. >> no, i don't think we can at all. i think that's not right at all. how do we know why they're there? >> he said he was there because he was against health care reform. he's carrying a rifle. are they helping their cause if they're trying to make a statement of health care reform, shows up with a gun? >> i think that's not a fair assumption. how do we know these people -- the blue dog democrats are pro-gun. >> campbell -- >> this is one guy, we're talking on national tv about one

guy. >> health care, you have 40 plus kids on the south side of chicago killed every year because of guns. it impacts health care. if you want to have a health care conversation, mark, let's have one. this is not a gun conversation. leave guns at home. >> let's talk about the gun that save lives, those guns that protect good people from bad people who want to do bad things. let's talk about what happened at the holocaust museum in harlem. >> everybody, cool it. we're out of time. where we want to end this conversation, that's a conversation you can have bhout bringing guns to a crowded place y children and families are walking around trying to have a civil dialogue. i'm with roland on this. appreciate your time, mark. thank you very much, lou, for coming in as well. roland, as always. the mayor of milwaukee had his teeth knocked out and hands shattered by a man with a met call pipe. dramatic audio from a 911 call made during the attack. depression is a serious medical condition

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mayors, your corruption fighting mayors. mayor tom barrett of milwaukee is a new kind of fighting mayor all together. he stood up with a pipe-wielding man trying to attack a woman and her baby granddaughter. here's how it sounded at the very beginning in the 911 call made by the mayor's niece. listen. and we are joined right now by mayor tom barrett's brother, john, who's in milwaukee for us tonight. welcome to you, john. let me first ask you, your brother, i understand, he's just been released from the hospital? how's he doing? >> he's doing much better. he's home. i spoke to his wife just a few minutes ago. they're having a little meal

there. my nephew just actually had a baby. they brought the baby over there and enjoying being home. >> i'm so glad. walk us through, if you will, what happened or what your brother told you happened. he comes across this grandmother who's got a 1-year-old baby girl with her and a man is confronting them. what happened? >> well, we were at state fair. they were walking back from state fair. they came across this woman who was screaming, help, please call 11, help, please call 911. as tshe does that, tom calls hi phone, calls 911 and this assailant comes out and knocks the phone out of his hand and stomps on the phone at which point tom said calm down, calm down, everything will be okay. the guy said, i have a gun and i'm not afraid to use it on all

of you. tom's kids start to cry at that point. he's with his two daughters who are 10 and 12, my niece and my sister. my brother says to my sister, betsy, go take the kids and get them out of harm's way. the assailant says, no, nobody's going anywhere. tom says, take the kids out of the way. betsy takes the kids out of the harm's way and then the assailant punches tom a couple of times in the stomach and then tom kind of buckles and the guy says, okay, i want you to lay flat down on the ground. tom is, like, at this point afraid for his life and he's thinking, well, you know, if this guy's going to kill me i'd rather go down fighting. so he basically comes up and swings and there's some question as to whether he actually made contact or not, but he swings at the guy.

somehow there's a struggle. he's thrown to the ground. when he's thrown to the ground, this guy has a, like, a police baton that extends and he is basically pounding tom over and over with this baton and knocks tom's, like, tooth on the bottom of tom's mouth out right at the root. knocks out a couple of his front teeth. he -- his face was cut up so it starts here and goes down to his lip, but he needed plastic surgery on a section from just underneath his nose to the top of his lip. he also needed stitches in the back of his head and he just was very much -- very injured by this whole thing. it was a traumatic thing. then my niece, as this was going on, my niece steps up and she calls 911. the call that you -- that sounded like her there. she calls 911 and then she's telling the guy, you know, i've got the police on the line, you

know, and she's trying to get the guy off of my brother and the guy came up to her. she put her hand up like in a stop signal. the guy evidently came up, put his chest right up to her hand and she's, like, don't touch me, don't touch me, and pushed him away. the guy hears the sirens and he says, "f" this, i'm out of here and takes off. >> it is just -- john, i mean, it is unbelievable. do we know any of the backstory about who this guy was or who the woman was and the baby and what was going on? >> a little bit of what i know is that evidently the -- the woman was the grandmother and the baby was the grandchild who was about 1 and she had some information that this guy was coming over that night. she had warned her daughter to stay away and this was just the information i'm getting kind of

second-hand. so she had evidently attempted to drive around and didn't want to encounter the guy but came back. when she came back the guy was still there waiting for her and so that's when this whole incident occurred. >> then he was arrested, right? the police do have him in custody i understand? >> yeah. they picked him up around 17th and state in milwaukee yesterday i think. >> your brother, boy, is he a hero. they must be incredibly grateful. i understand the president called him? did they get to talk? >> i think they did. i know that that would be something that would excite tom as a democratic mayor of a city and to have the recognition of president obama would be something that he would appreciate, i'm sure. >> well, john barrett, thank you for coming on and telling us this story. it really is amazing. we're so glad he is doing better and glad he's out of the hospital. many, many thanks. wish him well for us. we appreciate your time tonight.

>> i appreciate your kind words and i appreciate, actually, everyone's kind words for my brother and behalf of my brother. >> you bet. john barrett for us. when we come back, michael jackson's name and memory generating major, major bucks. new developments in what you'll soon be able to buy. plus the british government opening their ufo files. %%%%

this just in tonight. a judge approved a deal that will bring michael jackson merchandise, trading cards, clothing and a whole lot more to a store near you. there could also be a traveling exhibition of michael jackson memorabilia. the jackson's family still fighting over that specifically with the executors of his estate. the executors estimate that jackson's estate could generate something like $100 million a

year. that some the beginning. this is big money. joining us tonight "inside edition" chief correspondent and former cnn anchor jim moret and entertainment reporter, james walker in new york. the "today" show this morning had an exclusive interview with a designer who came out and said he had a deal with jackson to do merchandising. >> the designer, as well as the judge today, ruled they could go ahead with putting things on the shelves in stores. the judge didn't rule whether or not we could do this traveling tour with aeg which is the big money, the tour where we're going to cut a deal with sony, put a money out and have memorabilia traveling while the movie is out. >> let me interrupt cryou for a second and have jim explain the deal on this. what the ruling means today, jim. >> you talk about the merchandise, could be calendars, posters, clothing. john branca estimates the estate

could bring in $5 million by the end of the year between merchandise and album sales and $100 million from the proceeds released in october. until the end of this year you're talking about $200 million for an estate. wipes out about half the death, $4 million. it's big money. >> there is tension, though, jim between the family in terms of they they want to handle this, right? specifically katherine jackson and the estate lawyers. >> katherine jackson keeps objecting to the two administrators. there's going to be a hearing monday and to hear who the permanent administrators will be. katherine jackson does not want the two administrators. claims they have a conflict of interest. they say we know the business better and this is what michael jackson wanted. that's the standoff right now. >> how important is timing in all of this? getting this done very quickly? >> campbell, it's very important. they have to seize the moment

while everyone is still excited, looking for a tour, memorabilia. they need to close this deal with aeg. katherine jackson is saying the 10% aeg gets may be too high. they're in court asking the judge to rule on whether or not aeg should get that amount. aeg is saying we have to pay bills, hey, let's get this going, let's make money here. it's a find over the benjamins. the dollars. >> as always, james walker for us tonight. jim moret, as always. thanks, guys. appreciate the update. >> sure. the brits are seeing things, bright, shiny mysterious things up in the skies and have been seeing them for years. the english government confirmed all of this just today. >> the truth really is in these files. whatever the truth is. than tylenol® rapid release gels®. advil® liqui-gels. liquid fast. advil strong. act fast. check august 23rd newspapers for special advil liqui-gel savings.

the british government just made public a lot of its once-secret records of ufo sightings. of all reports fed in today, this is the one we just had to play again. here's zain verjee with tonight another questions breakout." >> reporter: flying saucers, intelligent life may not be in downing street briefings. the latest release of ufo files has britain buzzing. a spaceship load of stories. documenting close encounters and mysterious incidents. the uk national archives has released another batch of the government's x files, thousands

of pages listing more than 800 ufo sightings reported between 1993 and 1996. 1996 was the bumper alien year. 609 sightings, up fivefold from the year before. 1996 was also the year the tv show "x files" was at its peak. that same year will smith battled aliens in "independence day." coinciden coincidence? the report's grabbing headlines. >> i can't prove that they don't exist, so, therefore, they probably do. >> i think the government has enough problems already without having to worry about aliens or ufos. >> i don't believe they exist. >> reporter: if you look up in the sky and see anything strange, you can report it at the british ministry of defense website. this person saw a formation of 18 lights. they appeared like a flock of helicopters with lights on. look at this entry. a flying saucer with lights on

it. it changed from a saucer shape to a star shape and then just disappeared. a ministry of defense spokeswoman tells cnn it looks at reports only to see if uk airspace may have been compromised by hostile or unauthorized military activity. the new files also reveal that a u.s. spy plane called aurora could be behind a slew of reported sightings in 1993. one official briefing note says there were unusual ufo sightings over britain involving descriptions that match some of the reported characteristics of the so-called aurora. the 14 new files debunk some other incidents, but they also show some sightings are just plain strange and unexplained. >> something's going on. i don't know what the answer is. the truth really is in these files. whatever the truth is. >> the uk ministry of defense and national archives are