not allowed. >> don hewitt died of cancer at his home in new york. he was 86 years old. that does it for us. rick sanchez takes it from here. coming at you right now, killed by a pack of wild dogs. the woman and her husband, he tried to save her. how does this happen? on what planet do you spend most of your time? >> congressman barney frank tells the town hall crowd what he thinks. >> to be honest with you, i -- >> brutally honest or just plain brutal. then, there is the nazi question. >> why do you continue to support a nazi policy? ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with the dining room table, i have no interest in doing it. >> you will see the exchanges. is this tina bill board

offensive? >> there is a way to get your message across. >> i will ask roland martin in our new r and r segment. and fotos, who would let their kid do this, flying into the national conversation? the first social media newscast for wednesday, august 19th, begins right now. hello again, everybody. i'm rick sanchez with the next generation of news. it is a conversation. it is not a speech. it is always your turn to get involved. democrats who once said they are so committed to passing health care reform that they would do it even if there would be blood on the streets in washington may now be on the verge of doing whatever it takes to get it passed. that means, the party who won the most recent election and who now controls the white house, the senate and the house of

representatives, may be willing to go it alone. could they pass health care without republican support? without negotiating with republicans, without giving in to the heated rhetoric that has marked this debate like this? watch as congressman, barney frank, takes on his krcritics aa town hall meeting? >> i was wondering, can you pledge to all of us here tonight that if a new government single-payer program is instituted that you will opt out of your cadillac insurance and into the same one we will be forced to take? >> well, as i said before, first, unfortunately, there won't be a government single-payer. i wish there would be. i would join it. secondly, apparently i wasn't clear when i said -- i'm just curious, do you really think that's thoughtful conversation? do you really think that

advances your argument? i thought you were thoughtful people here to have a conversation. i am really disappointed at the level of response. i'm on medicare. i have been on medicare since 1965. i will continue to be on medicare. i am not going to get any younger. so the answer is -- which one of you wants to yell first? >> can you answer that question? >> we pay 75% of our income towards income tax. you are going to bankrupt this country, you and the democrats and you are going to indebt my generation and we are going to pay more taxes because of you, sir? >> let me respond. first of all, the biggest single waste of money in one fell swoop in federal history was the war in iraq. it was a terrible idea.

i guess the more you don't like it, the more you yell but it doesn't seem to advance your schedule much the war in iraq will cost is well over a trillion dolls with no return. i'm sorry. i don't understand your mentality. what do you think you accomplish by yelling? the question was about the deficit. i think that the war in iraq was a terrible mistake and i continue to believe that the military budget -- the military budget -- the military budget is excessive not just in iraq. the war is not over. it should be. we are still there refereeing an internal set of fights. which was never a threat to the united states. that's money you are going to have to pay. [ inaudible question ] >> i will explain this to you,cy. you said you are worried about the deficit. then, you said you weren't talking about the war.

who do you think paid for the war, santa claus? the deficit was exacerbated by the war. that's the problem in your thinking. >> why do you think we need to support a nazi policy, as obama has expressly supported this policy? >> when you ask me that question, imgoing am going to to my ethnic question and answer your question with a question. on what planet do you spend most of your time? yes. as you stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like hitler and compare the effort to increase health

care to the nazis. my answer to you is, as i said before, it is a tribute to the first amendment that this kind of vile, con tem tabl nonsense is so froly propagated. ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with the dining room table. i have no interest in doing it. >> patricia murphy writes for politics daley.com. good afternoon, murph. >> goodness. good afternoon. wow. >> some are calling frank's comportment brutal. others are saying, it is about time. what do you make of that whole scene? >> first of all, this is barney frank. this is barney frank's communication style. this is how he behaves on the floor of the house of representative, how he is in committee, how he speaks to colleagues and other senators. this is barney frank unplugged. however, this is barney frank talking to his constituents.

i think they are his constituents, they could be from anywhere. talking to american taxpayers. the last question, i understand why he wrote off her concerns when she was asking about the nazis. other people's concerns about raising the deficits are serious questions and i do think they deserve a more serious answer. i think he believed he was giving a serious answer. >> yes, they are serious questions. when you start talking about people's taxes and serious concerns. you said this was unique to barney frank. let me pick up on that. can the rest of the dem kraltoc party all the way up to the white house take this devil be damned attitude and win this health care. >> the barney frank style is not going to work across america. it barely worked in that meeting. this rumor that the democrats might go it alone i think is

what you are talking about. they might try to ram health care reform through the senate without republican votes. that would be done through a procedure called reconciliation. i don't want to get too far into the weeds. it is very much open whether that is possible. it is very, very, very difficult. there is almost no way to get all of health care reform through the reconciliation process. >> judging from the way the conversation has gone so far, what is really left for them? let me ask you this as a calf vee ott to that. do you think americans believe that republicans have negotiated with the president of the united states in good faith? >> i think if americans are just watching cable news, they could easily be led to believe that republicans are not negotiating in good faith, particularly charles grassley adding error to the rumor that granny is going to get the plugged pulled on her. those type of comments are not helpful. if you wait outside of the

negotiation rooms where i have been, they are in there negotiating, democrats and republicans. they are trying to come to common ground. it is incredibly difficult. it is a huge bill. if they decided to go it alone and without republican support and democratic support, they would not get all democrats on this this, it would be very, very dangerous. obama promised to reach across the aisle and said, there is not a blue or red american. if he gives up on bipartisanship, he is going to have a problem. >> he also guaranteed he would pass a health care reform plan through that would have the public option in it. which promise will he break, murph? >> that's his problem. i don't know which promise he is going to break. you can't go making promises if

your promises don't line up with each other. that's the pickle he has gotten himself in. >> the pickle. i love your word choice as my professor said. let me ask you one final question. who stands to take the biggest political hit on this, the republicans, if obama passes this despite their protests or the president if he has seen to lost as so many have lost before on this very same issue. >> it is riskier for the president, because the president has so much to lose. the republicans have nothing to lose at this point. they are way down on their numbers. the president right now has mid-term elections in in 18 months. they feel like they are creeping up really quickly. he can lose. it is possible to lose a majority in the congress. it is possible that he is going to miss out on the one chance democrats believe they have to reform the health care system. he promised to do it.

he also promised to be bipartisan. >> thank you. we appreciate it. >> thanks, rick. you want to make an israeli-american angry. you want to make an israeli-american really angry. you want to insult an israeli-american, do this while he is talking. >> soldiers here. we just stop but we don't respect them. did you hear this? hitler. i'm a i'm a jew. are you telling me that? i'm a jew. later, roland martin is passionate about this bill board, a peta bill forward.

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welcome back. an important moment of the day that we think you will get a reaction to. if you have been following the town hall forums, maybe you have noticed something. after weeks of this, it seems a national consensus is developing from the left and from the right, by the way. consensus seems to go something like this, using nazi symbols is wrong. what it is is it is a

bludgeoning tool used to try to beat your opponent in a conversation. compare whatever you are arguing about to hitler and you walk away thinking that you've won the conversation, because i compared them to hitler. guess what? you haven't. when you do that, you haven't won, especially when you are talking to someone who is from israel. >> we have national health care in israel. works fantastic. we take care of our soldiers. they don't. they are not left in the streets. we have memorial day in israel. we respect the soldiers. we don't do things. we respect soldiers. here, we just stop but we don't respect them.

did you hear this? you say to a jew, heil hitler? i am a jew. you are telling me heil hitler? shame of you, shame of you. shame of you. my family was in the holocaust. heil hitler, shame of you! >> you ought to be the most against president obama. >> i want to talk not against obama or for obama. i want to talk about the health care. i didn't have insurance. i didn't have insurance. i go to spring valley hospital. two hours in the emergency room. two hours. $8,000. >> tell me what you think about that. i'll be waiting for your

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the great thing about this national conversation is it is just that. we get your reaction instantly. she is reacting to that story we just did about the heil hitler. she says anyone who hels hitler no matter what side they are on makes me want to support the opposite side. we have a second take saying, more of the same from these hate-filled, deliberately ignorance people. how does one become so evil and angry as this woman? we will continue to share your comments. i want to talk to you about something now. see those dogs behind me running around there, they are all dead, all of them, have been put to death by authorities in georgia. why have they been put to death? they attacked and killed an

elderly couple. this is one heck of a story. brook baldwin tells us. >> reporter: these are the last pictures of the dogs. by now, 11 adults and five puppies have been euthanized per court order. friday night, on this rural road, the same pack of dogs mauled carl and sherry sweider to death. they say sherry had gone out for a walk that evening. when she didn't come home, her husband went looking for her. >> it's a huge shock, a huge shock. >> reporter: mark's parents' bodies were found saturday morning mutilated, riddled with hundreds of dog bites according to the county coroner. the dogs still standing guard above their prey when authorities arrived. >> it appears she was attacked and killed by the dogs in some manner. at some point. possibly, later on, he came up. we feel sure she was probably attacked first. >> animal control was called in

to capture the dogs. the sheriff described them as aggressive. after the animals attacked two of his deputies, tranquilizer had to be used. the dogs were wild according to county officials. they say an 83-year-old man, the only man to live on this road, had been feeding them. while this kind of dog mauling is brutal. the humane society says it is rare. in the first eight months of this year, there have been 20 fatal dog attacks nationwide. compare that to 22 in 2008 and 33 the year before. even though this sort of attack is unusual, little consul lation for mark sweider, who will never see his parents again. >> and they were, you know, wonderful, deer, kind-hearted people. we miss them. this is just terrible, terrible. >> a couple of notes to share with you, the county sheriff as of this time says no charges have been pressed at this point.

the animal shelter says they weren't big dogs, all under 35 pounds. i want to bring in kenneth phillips who joins us live from los angeles. he is an attorney who specializes in these kind of cases dog bite case is. thanks for joining us. good afternoon. >> thank you, rick. >> if you would, your general thoughts. what is your reaction when you watch that story? >> the story is a tragic one. seniors are the ones injured by these dogs so often. we have a little bit of a problem here in the u.s. with stray dogs and people who hoard dogs. this could be one or the other, this particular case. >> did you say hoard dogs? >> yes. there are people it that have what's thought to be a possible mental illness where they hoard animals, as many as hundreds of animals, whether they be cats or dogs. >> they would argue -- let pea just stop you there. these people would argue, i love animals, i love dogs, i love

cats and whenever i find one, i bring it home and let it live in my backyard or my house, because i love animals. >> that's right. >> they would take issue with what you just said, right? >> that's right but when the authorities go to these homes, they find animals that are badly treated, in bad health, malknewished. they even find dead animals, they find the animals eating each other. >> so what you are saying -- sorry for interrupting. i didn't mean to. i was curious about the point you are making. you are saying one of the problems we have in this country is that it is great to have only as many dogs as you can take care of and not even one more? >> absolutely. you have to have a dog that is right for your circumstances. there was another death, a death of a three--day-old baby by the family pit bull. that's another deadly

circumstance that we see occurring over and over again. the wrong dog for the household. >> let me personalize this. i have a beautiful dog, a rottweiler. we think we have trained him very well. i also have four children. from time to time, i will see that dog show just a little tiny bit of aggressiveness. and it will worry me. 99% of the time he doesn't show that aggressiveness. do you have advice for people like myself that will worry that there is something about their dog that could spark and make them behave like these wild animals, that killed this elderly couple? >> rick, in your case, you probably are a responsible dog owner. you have got to take care of the dog. keep it healthy. you have to train the dog so that the dog is obedient to commands and you have to socialize the dog. the dog has to know that it is sub serve yent to human beings, including your kids.

>> that's what our trainer does. >> that kind of a dog can be fine. even a pit bull can be fine. the problem occurs when a person owns a dog they should not own, either because they no nothing about training and socializing and keeping the dog healthy or because they have too many dogs. >> good stuff. thanks for bringing us up to date on something a lot of people would probably want general information. i guess you would argue if you have any doubts about the dog, it can be a little expensive. some will do this pretty inexpensively. get a trainer to make sure your dog is trained properly, right? >> absolutely. the stakes are high. >> yes, any are, as this elderly couple found out. thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. president obama is turning to religion, to religion to win support for his health care plan. pundits say it may be all he has got left. one of the evangelical leaders who is meeting with the president is going to join me to make news in just a little bit.

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board. if only one person owned all those dogs, shouldn't they be charged? georgia officials say an investigation is going on. the conversation about the nazi line hit a nerve with some people. go to the second one if you could, robert. as a child of two holocaust survivors, there is one word to describe this hate-filled woman, reprehensible. president obama is going to pick up the phones and try to enlist religious leaders to endorse health care reform. we have mr. wallace, reverend wallace here. >> nice to be with you again. >> where do i start? let me ask you this. i have been wanting to talk to you about this for some time as i have been watching the debate which has not been very christianlike on either side. do we as a society have a moral imperative to make sure that

people have affordable health care as some on the left have charged? >> yes. i'm not saying that from the left. i'm saying that from a biblical point of view. i was watching that. i came in earlier. i was watching some of these confrontations. wow. heil hitler. this is very worrying to me. in the shouting and anger and fear. even now we can say hate. we are losing the moral core of this debate, which is that we need to reform health care because this system was broken for too many people, too many people are hurting. they are not covered or they are covered but they are not getting what they need. they are paying too much. so if you like your health care, great, keep it. but for those who are hurting, we have to fix a broken system. that's where we were. >> is that in the bible, help the least among you? >> yeah. well, you know your bible, rick. >> i'm a catholic. >> i know you are a catholic and

catholic's social teach about the common good. >> health and healing are fundamental principles. tonight, evangelicals, catholics, jews, muslims, we are saying this is not just a partisan issue. anybody can join the call. just sojo.net/healthcare. it is an open call to join. >> by the way, that's not to say that people who have serious concern about this and are saying, look, i'm all for health care. god, please don't jack up my prices, my taxes anymore. i can't afford to pay the taxes i have now. so let's just be balanced about this as much as we possibly can. >> indeed. as you know, rick, this is complicated. the health care system is so complicated. the principles we are looking for is making sure everybody, all of god's children get

covered. those who have insurance but can't afford what they have, we take care of them too and the thing must the be built on a solid financial foundation. all of those are valid concerns. let's have a sane, civil, listening conversation. let's get rid of the shouting and the hate and, my goodness, heil hitler. >> let's go back to that real quick. when you do see some of this wild behavior that we have seen in some of these health care forums, when you hear some of the misrepresentations by calling things death panels and saying that old people are going to be killed, including some of them spread by people who profess to be christians, how do you reconcile that as a christian yourself? >> i have that concern. i say to some of my friends on the religious right, christians shouldn't lie. raise concerns and complicated issues. tonight, we will have pastors,

lay people, real people telling stories about whether this is working for them. so i'm saying, let's believe the best from our elected officials, the best from the public. this is a complicated conversation. our principles have to be, everyone gets access to quality, good affordable health care, whether you are covered or not and it has to be on a solid financial foundation. we can do that. the system is broken. let's try and fix it and not use this as a shouting match on partisan politics. pastors are telling me, seniors are saying to pastors, am i going to die in this new system? >> let me ask you about that. that's an interesting thing that you just said. is it their fault? i just saw a poll that says something like 75% of the people who watch exclusively right wing media and right wing television

channels n channels for example actually believe there are death panels. they watch this and take this as the truth and they get out there and get all excited and then they may act this way. so they are not really being dishonest but their messenger may be. what do you think of that? >> they are being manipulated by a well-organized campaign that is lying about health care reform. they are lying about health care reform. euthanasia is not a part of health care reform. it is in none of the bills. yet, they are being told it is. christian doctors will not have to do abortions. that's another lie. it is not in the bills. so they are lying about this. ordinary folk are getting afraid. it is complicated. let's have the same rational discussion and let's not forget, people were hurting in this, are hurting. there is too many stories. we have to fix a broken system. let's do it together.

>> you are xwg to going to be cg with the president. what are you going to tell the president? >> well, he joined us in this call, leaders in the faith community. i think he really thinks health care is important and he thinks the faith community has a critical role to play. maybe the faith community can help refocus us on the moral core here, people are hurting. we all should care about that. we all should want to bring everybody in. when you don't bring everybody in, we all suffer. this is the right thing. it is also the smart thing. if you don't cover people, it makes the cost of all of it go up. the president, i think, will get support from us if he supports our principles of making sure everyone is covered and we want to be engaged in truth-telling as well. we hope tonight, there will be a q and a time, people can ask questions of the administration. >> you are always one of the best people for putting these

kind of things into perspective. just when we look at it too much from a political advantage point, you bring it back to spirituality. a lot of people would agree it is a good place to look at it from. >> i love being on your show. sojo.net/healthcare. join the conversation. >> call in and talk to the president. that would be interesting. thanks so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. see this bill board, a picture of an overweight lady with a tag line that says, save the whales and the word blubber written along it. it is peta's new ad tension grabber. boy has it gotten attention. remember, aftershow on cnn.com/live at 4:00 right here. cnn.com/live. interfere with certain high blood pressure medicines the way aleve sometimes can. that's one reason why doctors recommend tylenol more than any other brand of pain reliever.

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we have been getting a lot of exchange from many of you making your opinions known. let's go over to facebook if we can. we will start there. chris, straighten that out so i can read it if you possibly can. somebody just moved it. thank you, sir. the bill board is tactless and misleading. a vegetarian lifestyle doesn't necessarily coordinate with weight loss or good health. let's flip around to our twitter board. thank you, mr. wallis for making sense. let's go down and get a couple

of others. faith, huh? the sister-in-law's minister is preaching that dems are pulling the plug on grandma. this one says, president obama now turns to god. this is where he should have started. mike bates is letting us know that reverend wallis has evan gelized for liberalism since that dismal failure, carter and now he backs the current dismal failure. >> thank you for showing that not all christians are conservative republicans. ta thank god. when we come back, we will talk about a couple of things, including that bill board from peta. in photos del dia, who would let their kid do this. what a fot 0. we'll be back. you're not like everybody else --

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lockerbie bomber, i'll try my best to pronounce his name as we go on, al megrahi is being released on compassionate grounds so, said a senior state department official. he's telling that to cnn. let me tell you why. megrahi, 57 years old, is apparently suffering from prostate cancer. he's been serving a life sentence for bombing pan am flight 103 over the scottish town of lockerbie, scotland. as you recall, 270 people were killed in this just horrific, horrific act of terror. the scottish government has formally notified the state department of this decision, senior officials say, but they add the conditions of the release are still being finalized. the announcement is expected to be made later on. we'll be all over this story. by the way, i should let you know our friends in "the situation room" say they're going to be talking to a family member of a victim of the

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play football so, don't even ask! >> not going there and you're starting already. let me share with you a couple things. first of all, a billboard. it says "shave the whales." this is a billboard from peta. they don't want americans to eat animal, we should stop eating animals because it's cruel to eat something that is alive. they're showing a picture of an obese or large-framed woman and then a picture of the whales and saying "save the whales." some women find this offensive. have at it. >> i'm not a woman. how dare you insult women in this way? you didn't put a fat dude up there, some guy that's overweight. and also, when's the last time peta had a bmi index on their membership application? are we walking around telling peta it's now for skinny women? i say it's time for us to boycott peta. they want to boycott everybody else, boycott them. if you are a plus-sized woman

and you know a woman who's plus sized, don't sell them any money and tell them the ad is absolutely offensive and does not bring home what they're trying to talk about. >> it started with a really good cause, didn't it? when you think about it, these are people that are trying to protect us from cruelty to an ma'ams and there's a lot of people we've seen out there -- we had a segment earlier today on this show that was that way. have they gone too far -- >> yes. >> -- by telling people -- they don't believe, as i understand it, that people shouldn't have pets either because we shouldn't domesticate something to be free and wild and shouldn't eat animals either. >> they're complaining about the president killing a fly. give me a break. okay? they have absolutely gone over the line. i was in the green room talking to jane velez-mitchell, a big-time peta member. she said, if they had a normal news conference, talking about this issue, nobody would show up. i said you're probably right, but i said, jane, if you walk

down the street and a dude says, you know what, you're big as a whale, you're not going to say, oh, whales are so cute. you're going to be offend. >> made your point quite well. has jane velez-mitchell ever had a cheese burger? >> she's a vegan. i want a well-done steak with the burn marks still on them. >> some call that the best diet. is the president of the united states, has he reached the boiling point? is it time for this president to go -- some are have used the the word "nuclear," but some don't want us to use that word, to say i'm going to do it, and if you democrats want to follow me, charge the hill? >> the problem is not the republicans. it's the democrat. you've got the blue dogs saying we want to see more changes. he thought he could depend upon those liberals and progressives and they're saying, no, we're sick of it, tired of changing this whole deal so we're not going to vote for it.