mathematicians think, we checked, that the odds of that happening are about 3.1 million to 1. that's our show for tonight. have a good one. we're back tomorrow night, same time. time. right now, "larry king live." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, exclusive -- dermatologist to the stars arnold klein was michael jackson's good friend and doctor. days after the l.a. coroner said his report on the king of pop's death was complete, his chief investigator was at klein's office again. why? could klein face prosecution? and what about his connection to michael's kids? two of his attorneys, one criminal, one civil, are here, talking only to us. first, breaking news. reality tv contestant charged with murdering his beautiful ex-wife. he's vanished after her naked body was found.

>> we now have a warrant for the arrest of ryan alexander jenkins. >> the very latest on this shocking case next on "larry king live." >> larry: we begin tonight with new details in the death of model jasmine fiore. police are hunting for her ex-husband. have a warrant for his arrest. we learned at a press conference earlier tonight it was apparently a very gruesome crime. watch. >> the question was about mutilation. yes, we're prepared to answer this question at this time. yes, the fingers and teeth were removed. >> larry: all right. we'll have lots of guests. right now, we begin with mike fleeman. the west coast editor of people.com. with us in our l.a. studios. in washington, pat brown, criminaler profiler, founder and ceo of the sexual homicide

exchange. mike, get us up to date. what is this all about? >> well what we have is a man who went from being a person of interest to a murder suspect. this is probably, still, the husband of jasmine fiore. he's a reality tv star. he's the one who reported her missing. police found a bead at about the same time. he tried to find him and he was gone. >> larry: reported what, by phone? >> yeah, i think he called it in to police. just cowince didn'tally at the same time, police had found this nude body in a dumpster behind an apartment complex. they identified it as his wife. they wanted to talk to him. they couldn't find him. >> larry: and she's the model. this was fall buena park here in california, right? >> the body was found in buena park. the man is originally from canada. they fear he was going to flee to canada. and sure enough, that's where they think he went. >> larry: that's ryan alexander jenkins. when you say reality tv star, what does that mean? >> well, he's one of these guys who are sort of on the fringes

of fame. he's in this show called "megan wants a millionaire." it's a woman on vh1 that she tries to get these suitors to go after her but she only goes after millionaires and this guy's some sort of real estate investor. >> larry: how would he be one of those if he's married? >> that's an interesting twist. his friends said we didn't know he was married. >> larry: pat brown. sexual homicide exchange. as a criminal profiler, what's your early read on the very early details on this? >> well, larry, it was very clear from the very beginning when they found her body in a piece of luggage we weren't dealing with a serial killer. i knew it was somebody who knew her. he wanted to make sure she wallace not identified. so this is why he ended up cutting off her fingers. he even got smart. watched too many crime shows. take away all her i.d. throw it in a dumpster, hope that time will take care of us,

she'll decompose. then of course he probably realized he needed to get out of town. >> larry: the husband is a suspect because he's fled? >> absolutely. consciousness of guilt. he went in and recorded this girl missing. i think it's a bizarre thing. goes in and say look, she's -- i saw her take her suit case. which is funny, like the luggage she ended up in. i saw her take that suit case out the door. she went some place. if she just went some place last night, why is she already being reported as missing if? she's leaving you, why would you think she's gone missing? so the story right from the get-go wasn't very good. this is a very arrogant man. megan said it right on the show, she said, he's a manipulator, he is, has evidence of psycho pathy there. so he just thought he was so mart he could get away with this stuff. little by little. he knows he has to run now. >> larry: beautiful girl. in san francisco. gwendolyn borecord who considered jasmine part of her

family. were you friends together as youngsteres? >> no, jasmine was a dear friend of both of my sons. they went to bonnie dune elementary schooled. and that's how i met jasmine, when she was 11 years old. >> larry: you look young enough to be her sister. >> thank you. >> larry: tell us about her. how old was she? >> she was 28 years old when she passed. and i met her when she was 11. i've been very close with her all these years. she called me mommy. and she was my daughter and i was her mother and -- every sense of the word. >> larry: when did she begin modeling, do you know? >> she began modeling probably in her early 20s. she -- after high school, she went to santa cruz high school. she worked at chopper's corner, which is a family-owned business for 70 years. she worked as a bag girl there. then she went on to work at chardonnay sailing charters as a crew member.

chardonnay sailing charters is a 70-foot sailing yacht that takes people out for hire. and she was really, really good at that job too. >> larry: what do you know about her husband? >> you know, i didn't know she was married at all. she never told me. she never told me she married him. >> larry: wait a minute. she's your friend, you know her since childhood. she's a friend of your children. she wouldn't tell you she's mar married? >> she didn't tell me she married him. she told me the day they met which was st. patrick's day, she called me the day after, and she said, mommy, i met the most perfect guy in the world. and his name is ryan. and she just went on and on and on about ryan and how perfect he was. and that was all i knew. and soon after, her grandma passed away. and so ryan flew jasmine and her biological mother, lisa lepore, to north carolina for the services for the grandma.

>> larry: you never met ryan though? >> i never let him. >> larry: this was st. patrick's day? so the marriage had to be recent? >> the marriage was according to the newspapers, the marriage was two days later, which shocked me. because she never said a word to me. >> larry: mike? this gets weirder and weirder. >> many surprises and twists. they met in las vegas. two days later, they got married at the little white wedding chapel. that's of course where britney spears got married and quickly annulled. it was a quickie wedding. we, today, talked to somebody who was at the wedding. one of the witnesses. was an employee of the chapel. a lot of people were shocked that both of them were married. they kept it under wraps. and the marriage had a lot of problems. almost from the very beginning. >> larry: like? >> well, he was arrested and charged with domestic assault. >> larry: against her? >> against her, for hitting her. he actually was supposed to go on trial in december. >> larry: but apparently they were still together.

it doesn't matter if she withdraws it, they go through with the case, right? >> exactly. they got married in march. the domestic violence incident was in june. they were separated while he was working. they were together the night she disappeared. >> larry: any history of any criminal activities in his background? >> yes, there's also some indication of an assault case back in canada. several years ago. and we just got a statement from the producers of his reality show. they said, you know, we developed this guy. obviously, we didn't do a very good job. >> larry: when we come back, we'll talk to the district attorney. his department is heading up the case. still to come, investigators were back at the office of dr. arnie klein, the friend of michael jackson. two of klein's attorneys are talking only to us. don't go away. upbeat rock ♪ singer:wanted to get myself a new cell phone ♪

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>> larry: joining us now is the orange county district attorney tony ricacaus. at the orange county pavilion in santa ana. is the husband the only suspect here, tony? >> yes, he is. at this point, there's no indication that anybody else might be involved. and he's at this point he's a fugitive in a murder case. this afternoon, we filed a charge of murder against him in the orange county superior court. >> larry: with $10 million bail? >> i think that's right, but i'm not sure what the bail amount wound up being. but hopefully it's sufficient that he's not going to just, you

know, get out. >> larry: what do you make of this, tony? i mean what do you make of having her fingernails removed, teeth removed? what is all that about? >> well, it appears to be, you know, a gruesome attempt to conceal her identity. you know, so, i don't know, there's a recent movie where -- where that -- where that happened. maybe he got the idea there. but it's just -- you know, it's just awful. it's awful. and it's like i said, apparently, to get rid of finger prints and possibility of identification through dental imprints and so forth. >> larry: wanted poster said he's armed and dangerous. how do you know he's armled? >> well, we believe he's armed, because there's a handgun missing from his apartment which is the last place he was before -- before he fled. so it appears that he's armed. and he's certainly dangerous because he's desperate, you know, he's a fugitive, wanted for murder, and he's desperately trying to get away from the authorities. so i would consider him to be

very dangerous. so if anybody's thinking about the possibility of hiding him out or helping him or something like that, understand that it's a very dangerous thing to do, aside from being a crime. >> larry: do we know where she was killed? >> we don't know exactly where she was killed. it could have been san diego. it could have been on the way to orange county. but we know for sure that she was dumped in orange county, in buena park, in that dumpster. >> larry: any knowledge of motive? >> well, the motive at this point, you know, it appears to be just domestic violence, the anger. you know, somebody becoming angry, beating his wife and that turns into murder. >> larry: chris galis is with us, global news anchor at point roberts, washington. what's the interest in your state in this story, chris? >> well, i'm on the canadian

side, larry, of the border. as you know, this is a geographical anomaly. it's a little peninsula that peaks out right below the canadian border, surrounded on all sides by water. but it's a little piece of washington state, easily accessible by boat from blaine, washington, and that's how they believe ryan jenkins got here. they found his boat in the marina at point roberts. the name -- i don't know if your viewers can see it on the videotape, the name of the boat is night ride her, r-i-d-e-h-e-r. that was colored by u.s. coast guard and towed away. you can bet it's getting a forensic examination. and it's an interesting part of the country because it's, as you know, the longest undefended border. although i'm at the points roberts border crossing right now, we're surrounded by residential area, there's a

beach that stretches right across the border. so it would be very easy for somebody to land a boat there and walk across into a residential neighborhood undetected. that is why a lot of people in the vancouver area, the lower mainland area here, are concerned. >> larry: they walk in then what, would rent a car, do what? >> well, that's a matter of debate. you could jump in a cab. and you're only about 45 minutes from vancouver here. and we learned today, through a tip, that ryan's mother, we believe, lived in the vancouver area. there's a nada jenkins we found in a condo in the false creek area. near downtown vancouver. we tried to contact her by knocking on the door and calling her a number of different ways. but she just refused all efforts to get in touch with her so far. >> larry: we'll take a break and be back with questions for each of our guests, tony, mike, chris, gwendolyn, and pat brown.

>> larry: you have a question for each of our panelists. but also from today's press conference, the family friend who says he dated jasmine, had this to day about ryan jenkins. >> ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine. is unspeakable. it's just not right. >> larry: kind lygwendolyn, you said jasmine's grandmother dies. does she have other relatives? >> her moth, lisa lepore. that's all the living blood relatives i'm aware of. >> larry: she called you mom? >> yes. >> larry: was she close to her mother? >> she was close to her mother as well but it was a different type of closeness. like i -- >> larry: where does the mother live? >> her mother lives in santa

cruz now. she recently moved back from maui. >> larry: pat brown, the type of death this is tells you what? >> well, it tells me that this man thought all women were his possessions, that he had the right to do with him what he wanted to. he does not like some woman to stand up to him, as we saw in that show. when he gets his girl, he expects her to do what he wants her to do. after all, he's a millionaire, he's a rich man, which is what sucker these women in. when they find he's a rich guy, they kind of lose all control of their mind because they go, oh, my god, i'm with a millionaire. >> larry: what makes him a killer? >> well, his nature if he did commit this kind of crime, he is a psychopath. very cold-blooded psychopath. when that girl wanted to leave and walk out of his life, he was enraged by that. it's a crime you would commit in the circumstances were right. the circumstances were right for jenkins so he offed the girl.

then he just had to clean the mess up afterwards and probably thought he could get away. he's not a survivalist so pretty boy is up there, probably going to be contacting his parents, which is why that warning went out from intelligent, don't aid and abet. i think that was at the family. >> larry: tony are you working with canadian authorities? >> yes, absolutely. and i just -- i just want to say this, that as far as donating, please don't aid and abet. that's a very important thing, not to take him in. folks, if you see this guy, he's dangerous, he's armed. go to the authorities. ryan, i want you to know that right now there's just -- there's only one count charged here. and, you know, it can get a lot worse. you might think it can't get worse. but it will get worse if other things happen. other people start getting injured. there's chases. there's all these different things that happen. ryan, go to the authorities and turn yourself in. let's put an end to this chase. >> larry: chris, are you in contact with canadian officials? >> yeah, and i'll just -- i'll add to tony's comments there. and maybe he can expand on them

a little bit. it's our understanding that some paperwork is being fraft-tracked right now. the only thing authorities could pick ryan up for is crossing the board illegally. maybe your guest has some insight on some of the paperwork that's being done to make sure they can pick him up on more serious charges. >> larry: yeah, good question, chris -- >> yeah, maybe -- >> larry: tony, can they do that? >> we have the paperwork completed that should be with the canadian authorities. the very first thing in the morning. to allow them to make a provisional arrest on this murder charge. at that point, they would hold him for extradition proceedings. >> larry: mike, how big is this story going to get? >> it started slowly. and then it exploded. you know, it has all the elements. this is a guy whose life -- half as interesting, the basis of a television show. now that all this is going on, people are fascinated by this. >> larry: maybe a little frightened if you're up there, huh?

>> very much so. >> larry: thank you, all. we'll stay on top of this. dr. arnold klein was michael jackson's good friend and his doctor. could klein face prosecution in his close pal's mysterious death? klein's attorneys are here to take on some tough questions, next. wouldn't it be great if it were easy to spot the good guys ? you know, the guys who do a super job. introducing the superguarantee. go to superpages.com to find a business with the superguarantee. we're so confident in these super businesses we stand behind their services. you'll get the job done right or we'll step in and help to make it right. sign up for free at superpages.com the new superguarantee making the good guys easy to find.

>> larry: tomorrow night, a major show on prostate cancer. it will feature michael milken, prominent cancer physician as

well. prostate cancer is the subject tomorrow night. first time dr. arnie klein spoke out after michael jackson's death was on this show. here's a quick reminder of some of the things he said exclusively to us. >> to the best of my knowledge, i'm not my father. >> larry: you don't feel you have to take a dna test to prove anything? >> if they want my dna, they can have my dna. >> larry: are you sur priced diprivan was found in his home supposedly? >> i'm very shocked by it. i have to tell you, it's not something that would be unheard of. >> larry: debby row part of the story. she was your nurse? >> yes. >> larry: met in your office? yes. >> larry: was that a real love affair? >> i don't know what love is. that sense, the imagination. i think she loves him very much. she admired him very much. >> larry: let's clear up something. he was not someone desirous of being white? >> no. michael was black. he was very proud of his black heritage. >> larry: we'll have more excerpts of that interview

later. we welcome garo ghazarian. criminal attorney for michael jackson's longtime friend and dermatologist dr. arnold klein. and richard conley. the civil attorney for dr. klein. why does he need a criminal attorney? >> well, the same reason one needs an orthodontist. if somebody tells you your teeth are crooked, you go in -- >> larry: has someone told him he's a person of interest? >> well, apparently, you know, when the news media started producing reports that started painting a picture of him, his personal counsel, richard charlie, seated to my left, thought it would be appropriate to be brought into the picture. >> larry: why, richard? >> this is one of those stories that's been hard to get in front of. every day, we hear more and more comments about different people, arnold klein's life has been examined as if he were running

for political office. at some point in time, there was a line that was crossed. i called garo. >> larry: do you have fear then of a possible criminal charge? is that a fear? >> my job is to make sure that my client is absolutely and totally safe. i don't have fear of a criminal involvement here. garo can speak more of that. >> larry: are there civil questions coming? >> i think there's always civil questions. they can name any defendants they want to name in a case like this. i haven't seen anything which suggests that dr. klein has done anything inappropriate. >> larry: how's he doing? since his appearance here? >> it's tough. as i'm sure you can imagine. he is one of the foremost dermatologists in the world. he'll raised hundreds of million also of dollars for charity. he wants to practice medicine. and every time some new rumor pops up. it's making it hard for the people to come see him. >> larry: he'll come back here or not? >> i think one day he'd like to.

>> larry: he enjoyed himself and he liked expressing himself. >> arnold klein expresses himself as no one else can. >> larry: garo, last week, the l.a. coroner describeled hd his report on the death as thorough and comprehensive. yesterday, back at dr. klein's office with a subpoena. what do we make of that? >> well, you know, as a trial attorney, there's a very common saying. there's the closing argument you prepare to make, the one you make, and the one you think you should have made when you go home. i don't know what the coroner's office was thinking when they said they were done. but to put it in context without compromise the coroner's investigation, i did not see anything new that the coroner's office was looking for. when they came -- >> larry: were you at the office -- >> yes, i was there. actually, i got a call from the coroner's office. actually, richard charnley got the call.

>> larry: what were they looking for? >> they were not looking for anything new exempt they were looking to cooperate what had already been provided to them by cross-references. >> larry: they can take his medical records? >> those they had asked for, we have provided, yes. >> larry: so do you know what the coroner's going to say? >> i know what the coroner ought to say. >> larry: which is? >> which is dr. klein is not involved and is not culpable in any way, shape or form, as it relates to the passing of his dear friend. >> larry: have you spoken to the coroner? >> i have. the investigator, yes. >> larry: and? >> he is not giving me any reason to believe otherwise. i have not seen any reason. mind you, mr. king, i've done extensive investigation. i have investigators of my own. i have a staff that i have put on this matter.

along with the office where richard charnley is. no cause of concern as far as the investigation the coroner is investigating. >> larry: and you? >> i think it's important to remember. the coroner serves civil subpoenas. >> larry: he gives it over to the crime division? >> once a cause of death has been determined, perhaps, perhaps. as of this time, we've coop rated with the coroner's office. we've given the coroner's office everything they need. matter of fact, i got the call yesterday at 11:00. by 12:00, dr. klein's doors were open. the coroner came in without a subpoena this time. >> larry: is he spcontinuing to practice? >> he is. he's an excellent physician. >> larry: is he worried? >> worried about what? >> larry: something coming up that might harm him? >> i think his major concern at this point is being able to return to his practice, return to his kal-calm kind of hideawa life and practice medicine. >> larry: we'll be back.

>> larry: we're back with garo ghazarian. and his civil attorney, richard charnley. there have been numerous stories alleging dr. klein prescribed huge quantities of drugs for michael jackson. i asked him specifically about pain medication when we spoke in

july. watch. what about pain killing medications? did you prescribe any? >> i mean, i've used some sedatives when he had surgical procedures. don't forget, he had a lot of -- he had the burn when he was burnt on the pepsi commercial. severe hair loss when he contracted lupus also. if you took all the pills i'd given him in the last year at once, wouldn't do anything to you. >> larry: what was the strongest medication you gave him? >> on occasion, i gave him demerol to sedate him. that's about the strongest medicine i ever used. >> larry: richard, that was a mistake of dr. klein to say he gave him any drug because the client/patient relationship remains even after death. >> well, you know, it's an interesting concept. years and years ago, dr. klein's records were picked up in connection with the michael jackson matter. that happened again about five or six years ago in connection with the santa barbara issue.

dr. klein isn't talking about anything that's not public. we have seen his records, by the way, end up on our desk in my office, submitted to me by members of the media. everybody knows what's out there. dr. klein's simply commenting on the public record. >> larry: did he ever make out, to your knowledge, prescribes for michael jackson using aliases? >> i haven't seen any scripts for michael jackson using aliases. none. >> larry: has the coroner's office spoken specifically to arnold? >> no. >> larry: do you expect them to? or might they? they could? they can if they wish, right? >> they can if they wish. >> larry: concerning a crime, i'm a little puzzled. the allegations about dr. conrad murray and the like. if i give a legal -- that drug supposedly given to michael used only for anesthesia, that's not a class 4 drug, right, that's a

drug, a legal drug, given in hospitals. is it illegal to give it in the home? is it a crime to give it in the home? >> well, that's a very broad question, mr. king. because without putting any more specifics into it, generally speaking, one might have a standard response, yes, that would be highly inappropriate. but i wasn't there. >> larry: this is a hypothetical. it's inappropriate? you can lose your license. but is it a crime? >> well, depend -- there's a lot that has been made about press describing medication to individuals and whether or not it's appropriate. whether or not the person is an addict. whether or not the person requires that medication. what i would like to say about that is we do not know -- i don't know, as i sit here, the exact condition mr. jackson was in which may or may not have ness ses talt etalted what the

did. >> larry: in other words, something might have happened in the house that might have necessitated it? >> it may have. >> larry: has dr. klein been questioned by the police? >> no. >> larry: any law enforcement authorities? >> no, he has not. >> larry: is there any criminal question you have a fear of? >> fear is not the correct characterization -- >> larry: concern? >> i always am -- excuse me. i'm always concerned, but it's a healthy concern. it would be foolish of me not to be concerned. but i have no cause for concern. no cause for concern borne out of my discussions that i've had thus far with law enforcement. i have had discussions -- excuse me -- as well as the coroner's office. mind you, there was a report i believe last friday that the dea was considering sanctions against my client. dea had not contacted my client. >> larry: you reached out to them? >> i did. i reached out. i reached out to the dea.

i got to the second in command to this -- in this region, very nice gentleman. i met with him. ultimately actually today along with the legal counsel and some investigators. and i left away from that meeting satisfied that they were doing their task and their task is a difficult one and they have a difficult task at hand -- >> larry: which is? >> their task is to gather information to see the facts and circumstances surrounding not my client but every individual who has come into contact, every physician who has come into contact with the deseaceased in this matter. they have every right to do that and they ought to do that. in the context of my client, i walked away not feeling concerned for any -- >> larry: they were not accusatory in any way then? >> the way i interpreted their dialogue with me, i was there with my colleague. >> larry: has anybody in the family at all made any threats, civil, maybe, possible, maybe

we're going to sue you for something? >> nothing. people know where we are. we've reached out to the attorneys. the attorney for the estate. we've reached out to londonle mcmillan who's the attorney for mrs. jackson. they know who we are. no contact. >> larry: how's arnold's mood? >> he's up and down. he is an indomable spirit. and he's a pretty good guy. and at the end of the day, people are going to look back on arnold klein and they're going to smile. >> larry: do you think he might be a bit of a hero in this? >> well, let me put it this way, if he turns out to be a hero, he won't take the praise. >> larry: we'll be right back. she wants to make up.

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superior natural nourishment for your skin. >> larry: we're back with our guests. the anesthesia propofol, brand make it diprivan. i asked dr. klein about diprivan and michael's drug issues last month. look. did michael have an addiction you were aware of? >> mike tchael at one time had addicti addiction. he went off of drugs altogether. when i told michael when i met him in this present situation where i was seeing him that i had to keep reducing the dosage

of what he was on because he came to me with a huge tolerance level. >> larry: did michael tell you he used diprivan? >> i knew at one point he was using diprivan when he was on shore in germany. he was using it with an anesthesiologist to go to sleep at night. i told him he was absolutely insa insane. >> larry: to your knowledge, richard, did he ever, did klein ever prescribe propofol? >> to michael jackson? not that i know of. >> larry: it's because it's only given in the hospital? >> it's only given by -- in the hospital. it's only given in drip form to my best knowledge. would only be given under what i call controlled environment. >> larry: there are reports that michael visited klein's office an average of three times a week in the months prior to his death. is that true? >> yes and no. >> larry: what do you mean? >> sometimes it would be three times a week. sometimes it would be once a week. sometimes it would be not at all. >> larry: there are also reports -- again, i love this,

reports -- that he went to sleep there because he was so revved up by rehearsals. >> it's the reports again. it's people commenting on what other people comment upon. if he came in to my client's office, he came in for treatment. he was given treatment. >> larry: was he in the officials the day before he died? >> no. >> larry: that stem somewhere too right? >> i've been contacted by that, i was asked about it, i looked into it, he wasn't there. >> let me just add to that briefly, my investigation has uncovered positively he was not there. not the day before. nor the day prior to the day before. and i'll leave it at that. >> larry: how do you deal with all the false reports that keep coming out? like michael's -- arnold klein is talking about a plea deal? >> thank you. thank you. >> larry: not charged with anything and they're pleading him already. >> i see that.

>> larry: reported as fact? >> i have to pick up the phone and call, call richard. >> larry: do you take action -- when a report appears anywhere, television, newspaper, do you call? >> we write letters asking for retraction, ask people to clear up the record. and it never happens. things are sucked up into the media. they flash across the world on the internet. they become part of people's consciousness. >> larry: as a lawyer, what do you do? >> you run around trying to put your -- hope you can plug up a lot of holes. hopefully encourage people who are spreading these particular statements to think twice or three times and ask better questions the next time something comes up. there are a lot of questions that simply haven't been asked. we see for instance the chef and we see the cook and we see the nurse on michael jackson and everybody's programs. they talk about conrad murray. not one of them has said, oh, by

the way, i saw dr. klein at michael jackson's house in a month or so before the died. wouldn't it be interesting in at some point in time someone would say, by the way, dr. klein wasn't there? is that too much to ask? >> larry: so you have to deal with all of this. >> absolutely. >> larry: there's no one you can sue, right? it's not called malice, is it? >> if you run around suing people you end up with your own problems in return. lawyers always caution against that sort of thing. >> larry: you think it has an effect criminally? >> it may. it may. because what -- it would pressure a district attorney wanting political attention? >> the district attorney is a very competent man. is a wonderful man. i have nothing but the highest regard for him in los angeles county. when you have news reports, law enforcement is watching and listening just like the rest of

the public. they're human. and you hear it. once you hear it twice, you want to follow it twice. >> larry: still ahead, more on arnie klein. plus, an exclusive look on michael moore's new documentary.

>> larry: now to our heroine of the week. a nurse practitioner. mother of six. she started the flagler county free clinic in florida. it provides free care to people who are poor and uninsured. watch. what made you get involved in this? >> in 2003, i was diagnosed with kidney cancer. and unfortunately i did not have any health insurance. i had to mortgage my house in order to pay for the surgery. it just weighed on my heart that there must be so many other people, what would they do if something catastrophic happened to them? i was afraid they would die.

so i decided that i needed to do something about this. we opened our doors february 19th of 2005. >> larry: you were a nurse withoutpractitioner, yes. i was. isn't that amazing? >> larry: what kinds of medical care do they do at the clinic? >> we're treating hypertension, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, several types of cancer. >> larry: i understand you and your team of volunteers have provided medical care for an estimated 6,700 patients. >> yes. >> larry: what rewards you must receive out of that? >> we all feel like it's much more blessing to us than what we're giving out. i have a huge army of angels helping us. >> larry: by the way, how are you now? >> i'm great. i'm six years out now and what i say is cautiously optimistic.

>> larry: now that's a hero. we salute you for all your good work. still ahead an exclusive sneak peek of michael moore's new movie. some more comments from our lawyers.

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hikers now being held somewhere in iran. larry. >> larry: that's "360," 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. back with our lawyers for a few more moments. speculation of the paternity of michael jackson's children persist. what about the rumors about you and the fathering of those children? >> here's the most important thing. michael loved those children as a father. those children loved him as a father. as far as i'm concerned that's the most important grouping there is. >> larry: that's not answering the question. >> no, i'm not going to answer it the way you want to answer. >> larry: you can say no. >> i'll say no if that's what you want hear. >> larry: i want to hear what you know. >> what's most important about this whole thing, the most important thing is who the father is, is who the father is, who the children want their father to be. i will tell you this, i will say no, because the most important person to these children is how michael loved them and how he

loved his children and how they loved him. because they would never pass without saying, i love you, daddy. i've never seen such emotional characters -- >> larry: earlier you said you can't answer it one way or another. >> you donated sperm. >> i once donated sperm. you have to know -- >> larry: did you donate it to him? >> no. >> larry: you donated sperm. >> to a sperm bank. i don't think i should go over my legal appearance. to the best of my knowledge i'm not the father. >> larry: richard, do we know, is he the father? >> one way or the other, it's factually and legally irrelevant in the state of california. >> larry: good duck, good question. only time he ducked me tonight. thanks to both of you. michael moore has a new documentary, opening october 2nd. we're going to have an exclusive sneak peek of it. you won't see this anywhere else, not even in theaters. back with michael moore's new

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>> larry: michael moore has a new documentary called "capitalism, a love story," opening in new york and l.a. on september 23rd, opens wide october 2nd. the film will focus on the economy during the transition between the bush and obama administrations. michael has given this program an exclusive sneak peek of it. you won't see this anywhere else, not even in theaters. here now, the world premiere of the preview of "capitalism: a love story." >> i am here to make a citizen's arrest for the board of

directors of aig. >> my supervisor. >> white shirt, blue tie. >> the guy who brought you "bowling for columbine," "fahrenheit 9/11." this fall, the most feared fi filmmaker in america will reveal what happened when wall street tanked. >> stock markets crash. >> bankruptcy. >> foreclosure. >> a global meltdown. >> and a government bails. by spending just a few million dollars to buy congress, wall street will give billions. >> the motion is adopted. >> you know who michael moore is, right? the film director. he's filming me right now. >> i called back after my plane landed in indiana, all of a sudden we have this crisis on our hands. >> there has to be a rebellion between the people who have nothing and the people who got

it all. >> everything was being handled by the treasury secretary from goldman sachs. they had congress right where they want them. this was almost like an intelligence operation. >> this is straight up capitalism. >> where's our money? >> i don't know. >> the people here really aren't in charge. >> i guess you win. >> we want our money back. >> capitalism, offers people the freedom to choose where they work. >> there isn't anything in here. i'm not going to be a gentlemen's club dancer. >> i have more bags. 10 billion probably won't be in here. >> larry: whether you agree or disagree, there isn't a better film editor in the world. michael moore willing on this show september 23rd. today's the 50th birthday of cnn executive bart fader. now that we just announced you're 50 on worldwide