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you're 50 on worldwide television, you can never lie about your age again. happy birthday and i love your father. by the way, tomorrow night, prostate cancer, michael milken, john mcenroe. joe torre. prostate cancer, the subject for the full hour tomorrow night. the subject right now is "ac 360." and the host is anderson cooper. anderson? tonight we begin with breaking news and explosive allegations. new allegations that the top members of the bush administration tried to use the fear of terrorism for politics to win a close presidential election. what makes the allegations so stunning is that they're being made by a former top member of the bush administration. none other than tom ridge, then secretary of homeland security. he resigned just after the 2004 election. that decision he now says motivated in part by what he says happened four days before americans narrowly re-elected george w. bush against john kerry. a cabinet meeting at which he says other top officials pressed him to raise the nation's color coded alert level.
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he writes about it in a new memoir out next month, obtained tonight by "360." ed henry has the breaking news. ♪ >> reporter: the friday before the 2004 election, only two or three points separated democrat john kerry from president bush. suddenly, a twist. osama bin laden released a shocking new videotape. and it played nonstop on the arab language network al jazeera. >> translator: your security is not in the hands of kerry or bush or al qaeda. your security is in your own hands. >> reporter: the next morning, just 72 hours before the polls opened, the president's top security advisers, including donald rumsfeld and john ashcroft huddled for an urgent meeting to decide whether to raise the color-coded threat level from yellow to orange. then homeland security secretary tom ridge reveals in an explosive new book, a vigorous, some might say dramatic discussion ensued. ashcroft strongly urged an
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increase in the threat level and was supported by rumsfeld. he goes on, there was absolutely no support for that position within our department, none. i wondered is this about security or politics? post-election analysis demonstrated a significant increase in the president's approval rating in the days after the raising of the threat level. the bush campaign was already pushing the envelope on frightening voters, listen to then vice president cheney just ten days before the bin laden tape. >> the ultimate threat is the possibility of their succeeding and getting a biological agent or nuclear weapon, smuggling it into the united states, into one of our own cities and raising the specter of being able to kill hundreds of thousands of americans. >> reporter: in the summer of 2004, just a few days after the democratic national convention, the white house had raised the threat level. drawing charges of political manipulation, sharply denied by bush officials, like ridge, at the time.
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>> we don't do politics in the department of homeland security. >> reporter: but now at that tense meeting, the weekend before the election, ridge writes that it "seemed possible to me and to others around the table that something could ab be afoot rother other than simple concern about the country's safety." in the end, however, the threat level was not raised. after ridge claims he and others pulled rumsfeld and ashcroft "back from the brink." ridge says the episode left him disillusioned. he writes, i knew i had to follow through on my plans to leave the federal government. he tendered his resignation within a month of the election. he concluded, i considered that episode to be not only a dramatic moment in washington's recent history but another illustration of the intersection of politics, fear, credibility and security. >> ed henry joins us. ed, certainly at the time there were a lot of people who raised their eyebrows when the threat
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levels were raised, saying, look, politics is at play here. but to have tom ridge, the head of homeland security, making these allegations is stunning. >> reporter: that is what is so explosive. now, we have to point out he's always been a moderate republican, never been a sort of bush stalwart. nevertheless, he was somebody with a seat at the table, a key seat. he was the very first homeland security secretary in this nation's history. for him to come forward now, this is obviously going to be potentially very damaging to president bush's legacy. i remember covering that campaign. security was at the top of the list of the issues that the bush campaign kept pushing over and over again. i remember one rally in particular where vice president cheney basically said he thought john kerry was a great guy but were worried we'd get hit again if he was elected. that there would be another terror attack. this a few years after 9/11. obviously, terror attacks, very much. a lot of people were worried about that at the time. so it was a big stew of angst in the country at that time. >> the time they raised the threat level after the
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democratic convention, that was basically days after the democratic convention. john kerry was in an upswing and it effectively stopped his momentum. >> reporter: it certainly suggested at the time that that was one factor that slowed the momentum. specifically they raise the threat level at that time on banks and financial institutions, not the entire country like airports, et cetera. nevertheless, as tom ridge himself writes in the book, there was evidence suggesting that that type of episode did stunt kerry's momentum. and ridge also suggested when you look at the exit polls from the 2004 election, anybody who voted on security, they picked bush by a wide margin over kerry. but, of course, what the bush allies are going to point out, in the end, despite what tom ridge thought was going on in the meeting, in the end, right before the election, they did not raise the threat level. that's very important to underline. >> we look at all sides. more on the "raw politics" is fran town send, adviser to president bush and democratic strategist, paul begala. francis, what did you make of
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this? you were in that meeting tom ridge was talking about. did you feel there was political pressure? >> i chaired the meeting. i called it. it was not just ashcroft and ridge and rumsfeld. there were other members of the national security team, including the secretary of state colin powell at the time. bob mueller, the head of the national counterterrorism center. what you want in those circumstances is for all the security officials to come together and to have a debate, have a discussion. that's exactly what happened. people had views on both sides of that. tom ridge was not the only one at that meeting. >> do you think rumsfeld and ashcroft were motivated by politics or concerns over getting their president re-elected? >> no. in fact, politics were never discussed. it never came up. in fact, the discussion i recall john ashcroft pointing to was the transcripts of not just the bin laden tape but a tape that also came out in those days of adam gadahn, an american member of al qaeda who threatened to have the streets of the united
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states run with blood. i recall john ashcroft quoting from the transcripts and the intelligence we had at the time. >> paul, what do you make of this? >> first off, i wasn't there. fran was. i have great respect for her. at the same time, as you point out, this is not hearsay. this is a first person, eyewitness account from a loyal member of the bush cabinet that says political pressure was brought to bear on him. the second thing you do, you consider the source. the second thing you do is look at the context. as ed henry pointed out they raised the threat level three days after the democratic convention. when they did at the time, senior law enforcement officials were telling "the washington post" there was nothing new here and they could not understand why the bush administration was raising the threat level. you look at the fact that karl rove, the president's chief political adviser had a strategy memo, a political strategy memo, that had been leaked. the first three words on his political strategy was, focus on war. you look at the fact that president bush scheduled the vote for the war itself three weeks to the day before the 2002 midterm. again and again and again, the bush administration did politicize national security. it makes you think governor ridge has the better argument here.
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>> frances, why was that threat level raised just days after the democratic convention? >> that was based on the specific threat information that had only recently been found regarding the plans and plots against the financial institutions. they had been very detailed, in fact, some in the intelligence community advised us they were the most detailed operational plans they had ever uncovered. >> it was very old material, wasn't it? >> it was old material. >> like three years old. >> the reason it had come up, it had only recently been found and come to the attention of policy and law enforcement officials. and tom ridge could have and should have arguably talked about the date of the material when he made the announcement. >> i want to play -- i want to read another section from tom ridge's book about the timing of the bin laden tapes. he says, the timing of the tape may have been a surprise, the content was not. within the department, no one felt it necessary to consider additional security measures or to call the homeland security council into session. osama bin laden had released many tapes before, what made
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this one so special that donald rumsfeld and john ashcroft wanted to raise the threat level, frances? >> it really was -- you have to look at the context of this. you look in august and september you had the financial district threat. you then had the bin laden tape. you then had the adam gadahn tape. this entire intelligence picture brought together, there was great concern at the time that there was an increasing indication that we were going to have a threat. there was nothing wrong -- anderson, when you get this sort of intelligence, what you want to encourage are the security officials to have this kind of debate. that's what happened. i think they came to the right conclusion and the president and the country got the best possible advice, that is we didn't raise it. >> paul, raising a threat level after the democratic convention based on three-year-old material and considering to raise it down the road, right before the election, you think it smells fishy? >> it does. add to it, i mean, i can go on and on, other examples. the department of homeland security itself was politicized, used by the republicans to track
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down democratic members of the texas legislature when they walked out of the legislature when they tried to block a redistricting deal. that's not homeland security. that's raw politics. paul o'neill, the secretary of the treasury in the first bush term, told the journalist, ron suscine, the difference between his time in the ford administration and his time in the bush administration, let me quote it to you, our group in the ford days was mostly about evidence and analysis and karl rove, dick cheney and that gang, seemed to be mostly about politics. it is a huge distinction, o'neill said. again and again, we have eyewitnesses and we have objective evidence that national security was politicized by the bush/cheney administration. >> frances, in the book, tom ridge says you asked him to put language in a speech basically linking homeland security with events overseas, mainly he was talking about events in iraq. which he said he was reluctant to do but did.
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>> first of all, what the book actually says is that he got a call from the white house. i will tell you, anderson, tom ridge frequently gave speeches i didn't see until they were in the press. how did i get this one? tom ridge actually had his staff send a draft of his speech to me and asked me to please circulate it in the white house, among the white house staff for comment. i did exactly as tom ridge asked. as a result of that, i returned the comments to him that he had asked for. what he chose to use was up to him. it was his press conference. and his press statement. i merely did what he asked me to do, that was get him the comments from white house staff. >> we'll have to leave it there. ed henry, paul begala, fran townsend, appreciate the discussion. thank you. was it politics, real security concerns or both? let us know what you think. join the live chat under way at ac360.com. up next, a mass murderer gets a hero's welcome. have you seen this? one of the pan am flight 103 bombers just got out of prison. a man that murdered 270 people gets a hero's welcome, returning home in libya. we'll show you what president obama has to say about it and we'll talk to a victim of the
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hugs in libya today. there he is. he planted the bomb that ripped apart the 747 over the skies of lockerbie, scotland. the scottish government released him today because he's allegedly dying of cancer. they showed him mercy, they said. president obama called it a mistake. listen. >> we thought it was a mistake. we're now in contact with the libyan government and want to make sure that if, in fact, this transfer has taken place that he's not welcomed back in some way but instead should be under house arrest. >> president obama hoped libya wouldn't welcome him back in some way, they certainly did, as you saw, with open arms they welcomed him back. how could this happen? randi kaye has more. >> reporter: it had the look of a true presidential sendoff, but that's no president. that's convicted terrorist abdul baset ali mohmed al megrahi, climbing aboard his flight to freedom.
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his victims' families prayed this day would never come. al megrahi was convicted of murder for the bombing of pan am flight 103 over lockerbie, scotland. it was a cold december night in 1988. all 259 people on board were killed. 11 more died on the ground. it took authorities 11 years to find and arrest him for the bombings, another 2 years to convict him and sentence him to life. now, he's free, free to return home to libya to die, from prostate cancer. scotland's justice secretary calls it a compassionate release. >> he was justly convicted but we're allowing him some mercy to return home to die. >> reporter: al megrahi may have just three months to live. those whose families were torn apart question why a man who killed so many would be allowed to die comfortably at home surrounded by family. >> where's the compassion and release for my brother or the families of these victims? there is no compassion and release for us.
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we're talking about an individual that massacred 270, so he can go home and have his family surround him? we didn't have that opportunity. >> he's not going to get forgiveness from me. as far as i'm concerned he should die in prison and his soul rot in hell. >> reporter: at his trail, prosecutors said he was a libyan intelligence officer. though he insisted he was an airline executive. al megrahi was added to the fbi's most wanted list after a shopkeeper in malta identified him as the man who bought the clothing that was found inside the suitcase that held the bomb. libya eventually turned him over. another suspect was also tried but acquitted. now, that shopkeeper's evidence was later questioned as was some of the forensic evidence that led to his conviction. al megrahi always maintained his innocence, never apologized. tonight, al megrahi arrived on libyan soil to a hero's welcome, thousands greeted his plane and danced in the streets. he recently dropped a second
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appeal, paving the way for his compassionate release. back in scotland, al megrahi's lawyer read a statement on his behalf. >> to those victims who can hear me say this, they continue to have my sincere sympathy for the unimaginable loss they have suffered. >> reporter: al megrahi said after his horrible ordeal, perhaps his only true liberation will be death. for those who blame him, death can't come soon enough. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> they call it compassionate release. the mother of a 20-year-old woman who died on pan am flight 103 called the decision to free al megrahi appalling. as for the terrorist, he had his lawyer do the talking. listen. >> i have been faced with an appalling choice to die in prison and hope that my name is cleared posthumously or return home still carrying the weight
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of the guilty verdict which we know will never be lifted. >> john patrick also perished on flight 103. he was 21 years old. his brother, john flynn, joins us now. he says releasing al megrahi dishonors all the lockerbie victims. when you see those pictures of him landing in libya to essentially a hero's welcome, an organized welcome, what goes through your mind? >> this is a nightmare. we met with justice macaskill. the nightmare is that you let him go and you do it out of compassion and he goes home and he's a hero. he never asks for forgiveness. he never said that he did it. we've got this man who says that he's innocent but i don't know about you, if i only had a few months to live, i would want to clear my name and legacy. i think by withdrawing his appeal, he withdrew his appeal. it says that -- it reinforces that he is guilty. there's no remorse there and we're showing him mercy. it's absurd. >> i mean, he's the only one who's ever faced any form of justice in this case. >> right. one of the things --
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>> he did not act alone, clearly. >> no. and in the verdict he said he was acting for libyan intelligence. this is a case where libya paid one of their agents to blow up an american plane in scotland. so the scottish people were attacked by libya. their response is 20 years later, let's send him back home to libya, to the same government. gadhafi is the same guy. nothing's changed. >> it is interesting because in the geopolitical world, people talk about the new libya. gadhafi is still in charge. what's new is they're oil money and they say they've renounced terrorism. not much has really changed in libya. >> no, it still has one of the worst human rights records in the world. women are treated horribly in libya. it is still a terrible place. what's amazing to me is that, can you imagine 20 years after september 11th and say one of the hijackers lived. would we ever send that hijacker back to bin laden? because that's exactly what we've just done. we can't imagine it. maybe that's a scary thought. and that's something we should take away from this, something you just can't forget. >> i hate to have even this
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guy's name mentioned and remembered, because when the books of history are written, his name should not be remembered. the names of those who died should be remembered. your brother was 21 years old. tell us about him. >> he was a great guy, the perfect older brother in the sense that he kicked my ass when i needed it. >> you were a year younger. >> yes. i was a year and a half younger than him. he encouraged me when i needed it also. he was a great guy. i make the statement that he's always the type of guy you knew who would have made a difference. he never had the chance to. he also didn't have a chance to die with his family. this guy gets to go home and die with his family. it's funny, the justice, you had him on before, he wanted to show mercy. it was a big self-grandizement. the statement that he made today. the people for scotland aren't for this. read a survey on my way here that 90% of the scottish people think he should have served out his sentence? scotland. more importantly, 60 people a year die in scottish prisons of natural causes. he's not handing these out, why don't you go home, too.
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the one mass murderer, he gets to go home. >> it's stunning. did you know this was -- you had talked with him in advance, you tried to stop this. did you know in the final analysis this would happen today? >> we had a sense that it might. it was almost -- last night it occurred to me. this is the nightmare scenario. for 20 years we tried to get libya, tried to get a regime change in libya, did everything we could to fight state-sponsored terrorism. not just the one guy. but, hey, we got one guy. there was some sense of meaning and victory in that. now the one guy is sent home. and, you know, because he's supposedly dying of cancer, although that doesn't appear to be conclusive either. >> all right. i'm sorry we met under these circumstances but i appreciate you being on. >> thank you. >> brian flynn blogged about his experiences. you can find the blog at ac360.com. i urge you to go there. it makes for powerful reading. no shortage of outrage and heart ache. how unprecedented is this and how common is passionate release here in america? we'll talk to jeffrey toobin. and later, a "360"
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exclusive, the mother of three young american hikers being held inside iran are speaking out, telling why their kids are not spies and didn't mean to enter iran in the first place. they haven't heard from their kids in weeks. their emotional plea when "360" continues. well, do they know this malibu offers an epa estimated 33 mpg highway? they never heard that. which is better than a comparable toyota camry or honda accord? they're stunned. they can't believe it. they need a minute. i had a feeling they would. there's never been more reasons to look at chevy.
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before the break you saw what the pan am mass murderer did to lives and families here in scotland and around the world. you heard from the victims' brother that says releasing him dishonors those lives. let's dig deeper with senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. this convicted murderer responsible for the death of 270 people, 189 or so americans. he's released. did it surprise you? it's more common over there than it is here. >> it is. we are now in the american system have lots of sentences, life without parole, 150-year bernie madoff style sentences. a lot of people die in prison here. it is not unprecedented to have compassionate release but it's very, very rare here. it's more common in england. but as brian pointed out, there are a lot of people that die in prison there. i think there's a lot of politics going on here. >> in what way politics? >> libya was the al qaeda of the '80s, the outcast nation.
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remember ronald reagan -- >> we tried to overthrow them for years under the reagan administration. >> reagan called gadhafi "wacky," famously. now libya has been welcomed back by no less than george w. bush. they have a lot of oil. they have a lot of ties to italy, to europe. >> so a lot of folks want to currie favor with libya now? >> this is a real way to curry favor. it's nauseating to watch. you saw how many people were in the streets. it's nauseating to watch but it's the reality. >> it's not like they came out to greet him, they were wearing the same t-shirts. they were a group rallied to go out there. >> not for him but his act. for what he did. that's what's so disgusting about it. that's what you get when you release someone like that. it is true that compassionate release is something you can understand because there is something decent about letting people die with their family. but only if the motives are right. i think the motives here are
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questionable. >> a lot of family members question whether or not he really is dying. >> we'll find out. >> we will. jeff toobin. thanks very much. still ahead, breaking news. a major development in the case of the murdered swimsuit model. first, erica hill. a "360 bulletin." afghanistan's presidential election is being called a success despite deadly attacks across the country. 26 people were killed in election day violence. election officials say nearly 95% of the polling stations opened and that voting hours in some areas were actually extended so those waiting in long lines could cast their ballots. the initial results are expected in a few days. final results will not be certified until sometime in mid-september. we do want to let you know, too, starting september 7th, a very special week of coverage of "ac 360." anderson, dr. sanjay gupta, peter bergen and michael ware will be in afghanistan reporting live from the battle zone starting september 7th for the full week. senator edward kennedy wants officials in massachusetts to make it easier for his senate seat to be temporarily filled if it becomes vacant.
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he asked for that change in a letter today. massachusetts changed its succession law in 2004 to require a special election to fill a vacancy. kennedy is battling brain cancer. walmart is recalling about 1.5 million dvd players made in china because they may burst into flames. the company received 12 complaints of durabrand dvd players overheating. five of those actually ended up causing a fire. no injuries, luckily, have been reported. a south african track star is so fast, people are wondering if she is really a he. 18-year-old caster semenya won the women's world 800 meter title over the weekend. just hours after the amateur athletic federation asked her to undergo gender testing. her father told a south african newspaper, quote, she's my little girl. i raised her and i have never doubted her gender. >> it's a fascinating story. we were watching this. a lot of people were saying how hard is it to determine this? and the officials at this race
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are saying it will take weeks to determine. >> it is amazing. it's not the first time something like this has come into question when it involves a major athlete. it's interesting if you go back in history there are actually a number of cases, some they didn't figure out until a person has passed. >> they did an autopsy on one person. >> yes. >> amazing. we'll continue to follow that. up next, president obama tries to retake the initiative on the health care fight. mr. obama said today he guarantees reform will pass. but are the democrats going to have to go it alone? we ask a man who wants to be president, texas congressman ron paul joins us. also ahead, breaking news. a former reality show contestant on the run, wanted for the murder of this young woman. the new twist in the case of the murdered swimsuit model whose body was found inside a suitcase.
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president obama is trying to regain momentum on health care reform. fighting back today by pitching reform on conservative talk radio. he sat down with host michael smerconish and answered questions from listeners. went so far promising a call health care reform will pass. >> i guarantee it, joe, we are going to get health care reform done. i know there are a lot of people out there who have been hand ringing and folks in the press are following every little twist and turn of the legislative process. you know, passing a big bill like this is always messy. >> the radio offensive comes one day after the president appealed to faith-based groups and criticized the false information being spread by reform opponents. we talked about the moves with ron paul earlier today. congressman paul, thanks for being with us. i want to play you something
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that president obama said today on michael smerconish's radio show. listen. >> i would love to have more republicans engaged in this process. i think early on, a decision was made by the republican leadership that said, look, let's not give them a victory. maybe we can have a replay of 1 1993/'94 when clinton came in and he failed on the reform and then he got the majority. >> is that what's happening? are republican leaders obstructing health care reform in order to make political gain? >> i think he's giving the republicans too much credit. i don't think we're that well organized. i think if orders came from top down and said we're all going to oppose it, i don't think it would happen. there is partisan squabbling going on but it's at both sides. i can't see where one side is more partisan than the other. if people don't agree with one side, they say, you're overly strong partisan, and vice versa. i don't put a lot of stock in those type of arguments. >> what do you think is going to happen if the white house and congressional democrats try to
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go it alone, try to ram through some sort of a bill? >> i think they'll pass something, but i don't think they will. i think they'll modify their tone a little bit. they won't try to go for the whole basket. they probably won't want to have a single payor. they're going to get something. that's the way we've been doing it for 35, 40 years. we've had incrementalism. this really started as early as the '50s but really in the '70s. once you get the conservative end, we're not supposed to believe in expanding the government role. where was prescription drug program passed? under the republicans. so something will be passed. i don't think obama's going to get everything. there's too much anger. they're angry and they're convinced that the government can't produce all these promises. they just don't believe the promises. so that's why i think they're going to back off, take what they can get and a few republicans will join them. that would be my prediction. i really don't know for sure, obviously. >> what do you want? you're not for, obviously,
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government involvement in health care. but is it realistic to expect private industry to take care of the 46 million or so americans who don't have insurance? >> under today's circumstances with our tax code, it makes it very difficult. you have to remember, out of the 46 million who don't have insurance, they include a lot of illegal aliens in there, too. that complicates the matter. some of them aren't necessarily in need of it. i have some people in my family, they don't have it. people have accepted the notion that medical care cannot be delivered any other way than through government. i just don't happen to believe that. governments generally aren't very efficient in what they do. >> finally, has the dialogue, the debate, at least some of what we're seeing at these town hall meetings, people comparing president obama to nazi, is that productive? when you see these images, what do you think? >> i think it's very unproductive, i think it's very destructive. you know me well enough that i was never supportive of much of
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what george bush did. i really didn't like his foreign policy but generally speaking whenever i wrote, if you look at all my speeches, i hardly ever, probably never, bring up partisan politics on the house floor or talk about president bush, president bush this or obama this or obama that. i don't think it's productive at all. i believe you have to deal in ideas. ideas have consequences. bad ideas have bad consequences and good ideas have good consequences. that's what i deal with. i'd just as soon avoid the partisan bickering. >> congressman paul, i appreciate your time, sir. thank you. >> than you very much. we'll take an in-depth look a health care reform tomorrow night, go beyond the shouting and take a look at what reform actually is, what it means to you. health care, president obama's extreme challenge and yours. a special tomorrow night, starting at 10:00 p.m. eastern. do you think president obama will get a health care plan passed? let us know what you think at the live chat at ac360.com. have you heard about the three young american hikers now being held somewhere in iran? no one knows exactly where. now their moms are pleading for
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now, a "360 exclusive." three moms with a simple plea, let our children go. sarah, josh and shane have been detained inside iran since the 31st of july when news reports say they accidentally crossed an unmarked border into iran while hiking the mountains of kurdistan in northern iraq. the iranian government is now holding them but has neither charged them with a crime nor allowed them to talk to their families. tonight their moms are speaking out. nora, laura and cindy, we spoke earlier. have any of you been able to speak to your kids since they were taken? >> no. this is day 21. we got a phone call from the u.s. embassy in baghdad on july 31st and we have not heard from
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our children from the 31st of july till now. >> does anyone know where they're being held? >> no. we have not gained -- the consular asked us. we've gotten nothing other than they're being held in iran. >> are you getting cooperation from the state department? >> the state department has been really, really helpful. they have to go through the swiss protectorate to speak to the iranian officials. >> nora, you got an e-mail from your daughter sarah. >> i did. >> you have it there. what does it say? >> i'll read it to you. this was the last e-mail. it was a couple days before she went missing. this is to me. hey, sweetness, so we're traveling. actually we're in northern iraq. it's totally safe. the kurds in this area have been pro-american since 1991. no single american has ever been hurt on kurdish territory. so don't worry.
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tonight we're going camping. i love you. there were fireworks in the streets last night. they had their first democratic election. i miss you and love you tons. your light, bean. >> that's her nickname. >> her nickname is bean? >> yes. >> she calls you sweetness? >> she calls me a lot of things. >> obviously you must have been concerned for her being in iraq? >> you know, this settled any concerns i would have. again, sarah's in the same category as these other guys. she's a strong woman. she doesn't take risks. she's a really good traveler. she's traveled a lot of places around the world. and, you know, i feel totally confident that she's with shane, too. because shane is also, you know, very, very protective of her and responsible of anyone he travels with. so, no, i wasn't worried about that. no. >> because i guess some people
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will hear this and hear that these american kids were hiking in northern iraq and they'll say, how could you have let them done that or wasn't it foolish of them? to that you say? >> i actually thought, you know, i've been thinking about this. i'm a hiker. i spent time with shane when he was in yemen. and i was set to go in december to visit shane and sarah in damascus. it would have been very like us to travel to a hiking trail. i wouldn't have hesitated to go on this trip with him. >> this is obviously seen around the world on "cnn international." if by any chance someone is listening, iranian officials or even your kids, is there something you want to say? >> we hope and believe that the iranian authorities will recognize that it was by accident that our kids entered iran. we're assuming that -- we're not assuming. we know they had no intention of going to iran. that was absolutely never an intention.
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>> is there something you'd want to say? >> just, again, that we'd like our children returned safely and quickly. consular access is certainly our next wish and that i believe, too, that there, you know, is a great possibility that they crossed a border that was not well-ma well-marked. >> and norah, if sarah's listening, what would you want to say to her? >> oh, my goodness, so much. mostly, i hope the iranian officials will be considerate, compassionate toward them when they understand who they are and that they were just innocent and just traveling. >> these are very responsible young people. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. more on the hikers at ac360.com, including a link to a website that's been started by their families. next on the program, searching for a reality show contestant wanted for murder. he's charged with killing this
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young woman, his former wife, a swimsuit model, jasmine fiore. gruesome new details about the killing. the latest on the manhunt, coming up. and a big heist at a huge department store. thieves raided jcpenney and make off with a million bucks in jewelry and other loot. the crime is caught on camera. details ahead.
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tonight, a major new development in the case of a murdered swimsuit model we first told you about last night. this is the victim, jasmine fiore, her body found stuff into a suitcase. authorities in california believe she was strangled to death. tonight, they say this man did it. he's the model's ex-husband. he was also a contestant on a reality television show. right now, police are looking for him. erica hill has the latest on crime and punishment and the search for this accused killer. >> anderson, tonight, police believe ryan jenkins may have fled to his native canada on foot. they're warning he may be armed and dangerous. buena park, california police recommend $10 million bail. they are also offering gruesome
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new details about the state of fiore's body when it was found early saturday morning stuffed into a small suitcase. >> your question was about mutilation? yes, we're prepared to answer this question at this time. yes, the fingers and teeth were removed. >> when asked if this was supposed to make it more difficult to identify the victim, the lieutenant replied quote, it can be inferred that way, anderson. >> are police positive this guy is in canada and if so, what does that mean for the arrest warrant? >> they're not 100% positive but they are pretty sure. the reason why, his car -- remember, there were two cars they're looking for. we're working on a tip. officers in blaine, washington, far northern washington, recovered jenkins' black bmw suv last night. it had a boat trailer attached and a boat owned by jenkins was later found in port roberts. in point roberts the only way you can get to land is by going into canada.
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where that dot is, it juts out. the border goes across it. so to get to anywhere, you would walk straight across and technically be in canada. authorities believe that is likely what happened but they can't say for sure tonight. that's the assumption they're going on. in terms of an arrest in canada, buena police -- buena park police today did say they've already started the paperwork to send to canada so if he's found there they can issue their own arrest warrant. there is an extradition treaty between the two countries. they weren't getting specific at all as to how or when that might happen, because, of course, he hasn't even been found yet. >> i saw one relative spoke at the press conference. >> a friend of the family. steve hasman. he said he dated jasmine for a couple years. he did speak out briefly today. you can understand why other people didn't. you may have seen a woman getting upset when the lieutenant was talking about the condition of the woman's body. that was her mother. understandably upset there. they were given these details today. it's still sinking in for the family. the one man was actually pleading with friends and family of jenkins not to help him. take a listen.
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>> ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jasmine is unspeakable. it's just not right. >> unbelievable. >> it is. it's just wild. there was also question about motive and they were saying, you know, it was obvious that they can't answer about it right now. because it's an ongoing speculation and they weren't going to speculate on it. i thought it was interesting, larry king had folks on including pat brown, criminal profiler, and larry asked her specifically from everything she's heard what do those details tell her about the crime? and why someone might do this? here's what she had to say. >> if he did this -- commit this kind of crime, he's a psychopath, he's a very, very cold-blooded psychopath. in that moment when that girl wanted to leave and walk out of his life, he was enraged by that. this is not a crime of passion. it was a crime you would commit if the circumstances were right.
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the circumstances were right for jenkin so he offed the girl. he had to clean up the mess afterwards and probably thought he could get away. >> ryan jenkins tonight, a warrant for his arrest for the murder of jasmine fiore. an international manhunt, anderson. they stress if you see him they believe he could be armed and dangerous and to use caution and call authorities. >> any local authorities will do. thank you. coming up next on "360," milwaukee's mayor, nursing his injuries. he was hit on the head with a metal pipe, as you may know. he was trying to help a woman that was shouting for help. will he hear what his alleged attacker told the police? and then "the shot." always enjoy the pet segments on local news shows.
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the shot is coming up. a newscast that literally went to the dogs. first, erica hill joins us. "360" news bulletin. a record 9.24% of americans are at least 30 days behind on their mortgage payments. that's according to a new report from the mortgage bankers association. now add to that loans that are already in foreclosure and more than 13% of mortgages are now in
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trouble. a controversial new drug law in effect in mexico. it decriminalizes possession of small amounts for so-called personal use of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, lsd and methamphetamine. people founded with these small amounts won't face any criminal charges. if they are caught for a third time, though, they'll be required to complete a treatment program. police in louisiana are hoping surveillance video can help them catch the men who stole more than $1 million of jewelry and goods from a jcpenney score late saturday night. the robbers are suspected in a series of similar thefts across the country. and a "360" follow tonight, prosecutors formally charging a milwaukee man today with attacks the city's mayor. anthony peters admitted he, quote, freaked out and repeatedly beat tom barrett over the head with a tire iron and crowbar. it happened after the mayor left the wisconsin state fair with his family saturday night. peter said he was having an argument with the grandmother of his 1-year-old daughter and attacked the mayor when he tried
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to help her. anderson? >> freaked out. coming up, breaking news. former homeland security director tom ridge saying that top bush administration officials tried to use the fear of terrorism for politics to win a close presidential election. the explosionive allegations at the top of the hour. first, something to make you smile. the "shot of the day." an affectionate dog and a news anchor that doesn't seem to mind a little slobber.
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our most dramatic offer ever: both pieces, $399, from jennifer. for tonight's shot, erica, a dog, a news anchor and a whole lot of love going on. check out what happened on a canadian newscast. >> this is ginger. hi, ginger. ginger just loves people. >> i love ginger. i love you, ginger. >> you don't have any makeup left. >> aw. >> oh, ginger. >> i love those dogs. the dog's name, as you know, is ginger. for some reason she just could not stop. neither of these dogs, apparently could not stop slopering over their human. >> if you want a loving dog, ginger's your girl. >> actually ginger is still available. if you like her, she can be yours.
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she looks like a wonderful dog. >> she probably is lovely. >> not all features between a reporter and animal goes well. remember this? >> yes, ow. >> it's the expression afterward that's so good. can we see that again? >> it is pretty good. >> i don't know if we can re-queue that. >> trying to. >> part of their sentence, a couple is going to have to come -- >> that's my favorite when she looks back up at the camera. >> i can't believe you people are making me do this. >> that's right. exactly. she looks so betrayed, too. >> she did. coming up at the top of the hour, unbelievable allegations. president bush's homeland security official saying top members of the bush administration tried to use the fear of terrorism to try to win the 2004 presidential election. perhaps not so unbelievable after all, depending on who you talk to. r was with me. i took a bayer aspirin out of my purse and chewed it. my doctor said the bayer aspirin saved my life.
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