go to cnn.com. you will find the latest. you can go to cnn.com/healthcare in particular. have a great weekend, everyone. see you on monday. rick sanchez takes it from here. coming at you now -- >> it is disgusting. >> he killed her daughter, blew up her plane and he gets a hero's welcome. >> this man doesn't deserve our pity. all the innocent kids that died on that flight. >> calling qaddafi. hello, moammar. this rick scott has an anti-obama ad criticizing his vacation. how much more wrong can you be than what you just said? not only is your company screwed up and you just admitted to it you are saying look at all the

other companies, they did the same thing. >> no. i don't believe that at all. >> that doesn't sound like a sterling system. >> did we mention rick scott's former company defrauded you, the taxpayer, out of $1.7 billion. >> charged against your company while you were the boss over a period of ten years. yes, they were paid after you left but they accuse of it happening while you were leading the company. just thought you would want to know. and were americans manipulated by the bush white house. did orange mean we need you frightened enough to vote for us even if there wasn't a threat? we are drilling down on this for you on your national conversation for friday, august 21st, 2009. hello, again, everybody. i'm rick sanchez. this is the next generation of

news where we don't do a speech. we go through the news together. you are about to hear something that involves a joke about cooking a cat and a horrible crash. how do you mix those two up? two weeks ago a helicopter careened into a plane over the hudson river. now what happened behind the scenes on the day of the accident. teeterboro's air traffic control staff included five employees. that's it. two air traffic controllers were on duty. the supervisor left the building. he is now suspended and will likely be fired, we learn. so will the controller i'm about to tell you about. here is the newly released transcript where you hear him joking with a woman on the phone about a dead cat at the airport just as the accident is about to happen. it starts with the woman saying huh? the controller says, i said we've got plenty of gas on the

grill. the woman says it sucks we won't be able to do it today. the controller says fire up the cat. the woman says, disgusting. that thing was disgusting. to which the controller replies chinese people do it so why can't we. the woman says stop it. he laughs. after about two minutes of conversation the controller radios the pilot of a plane telling him to contact the newark tower which is looking for that plane. newark controller says, hey, teterboro, newark, switch that guy, put imon 220 heading to get him away from the other traffic. the controller says say again, newark. newark says can you switch that pa-32, the piper. teterboro controller said i did keep an eye on him though. to which the newark controller replies i'm not talking to him

so. now the teeterboro controller tries to raid the piper. one mike charlie, newark is twent seven eight five. he's lost in the hertz try him again. newark says one mike charlie, it is newark. the teterboro controller is back on the phone with the woman he was talking about earlier about grilling the cat. he says damn. the woman says what's the matter. the controller says yeah. let me straighten stuff out. now the plane and helicopter are about to collide. he doesn't know it. he is still looking for the plane. did you get him? newark says nope. i think he went down in the hudson. another helicopter pilot in the area chimes in, be advised there was an airplane that crashed into a helicopter jut south of

the lincoln tunnel a minute ago. the woman in operations, did he say what i thought he said? the controller, yeah. the woman says where at? the controller over the river. to which the woman replies, oh, my lord. okay, thanks. at that very moment nine people were killed and it is now expected this man will likely lose his job. he is already suspended and possibly his supervisor as well. there is one more caveat i have to share with you on this story. there is another incident involving new jersey's teterboro airport. a small twin engine plane crashed. two men onboard walked away. someone found them dazed, sitting at a bus stop. what many americans thought about and comedians joked about but deep down none of us wanted to believe it could be true tom ridge says it was true.

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the lone person convicted in the 1988 pan am bombing arrived back home to libya with nothing less than a hero's welcome. it was very difficult to watch for many americans and especially family members who lost loved ones. scottish authorities released him on compassionate grounds. they expect he is going to die within months of prostate cancer that is terminal. is that certain? >> a woman joined us on the air to talk about the daughter she lost on this flight. >> it is absolutely sickening when you say compassion i feel ill. i feel physically ill. that is the most misplaced compassion i can imagine. i mean, we could weep for poor old adolph hitler and mussolini. we should feel sorry for these people, i guess.

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a story we told you just a little while ago about what happened in teterboro airport, instead of having five personnel, they had two. one was out of the room, and the other when the accident happened over the hudson, that person was on the phone talk toog someone

about dead cats or cooking cats. look at this tweet we got here moments ago. that might be funny if it wasn't being dead serious. it was dead serious. nine people lost their lives. there is a new attack ad targeting president obama, his health care plan and taking time off for vacation. it makes the questionable charge that health care reform will raise your taxes on everything, everything, it says. it comes from a group whose track record as revealed on this newscast is dubious. >> the beach is nice this time of year, but while president obama vacations, concerns mount about his health care plan. why? because his public option health plan could lead to government-run health care, higher taxes on everything. >> fair enough. higher taxes on everything, from paychecks to soda as the commercial says.

let's watch the rest now. >> mr. president, when you go back to d.c., drop your government-run public option plan. let's get on with real reform to lower cost and protect patients rights. >> the words there are real reform, lower cost and protects patients rights. that would be real reform. sounds great except it comes from a man who made millions and millions of dollars with a plan just as it is right now and does not want to seem the government getting in the way of his profits. let me tell you about former hospital executive rick scott. he got rich beyond imagination while his health care chain was ripping off the federal government. scott admitted to me his company paid a record fine of $1.7 billion for defrauding medicare. in fact, why don't we watch part of that contentious interview.

$1.7 billion. that is the highest ever paid in the history of the united states that your company ended up having to pay as a result of what you did by defrauding the government. >> no one went to jail. i was never accused of anything. $1.7 billion sounds like a lot. we had 343 hospitals, 150 surgery centers. over 100,000 patients a day. now, let's look at the industry. cleveland clinic paid big fines, mayo paid big fines. were they as big? no. how many hospitals did they have? >> you are telling us we can't allow the government to do this because it won't work and they might do some things that are wrong. how much more wrong can you be than what you just said. not only is your company screwed up and you just admitted to it. and you are saying look at the other companies. they did the same thing.

your company was accused of upcoding. they treated patients for something minor but charged the government the taxpayers for something expensive. >> rick, i have no idea. >> that is the accusation? >> rick, i have no idea. i never did anything with medicare. i started a company. i bought hospitals. i bought all the humana hospitals. >> here is the other accusation that your company may have been involved in. >> your company would go into a region, buy up all the hospitals and shut them all down except one to make that one hospital very powerful. i guess that is a good business plan but is that good for patients? >> absolutely. first of all, that didn't happen. we bought 20 hospitals we consolidated. it goes on every day, not every day, but throughout the country all the time. it happened before i got in the business and afterwards. here is the reason why you want that to happen as a patient.

>> okay. >> you want to make sure your hospital has the best equipment. if you have a hospital that has more patients and can afford the best equipment you want your hospital to be successful. they are the right equipment. they can hire the right employees. >> i'm reading a report here that says they say your hospitals had consistent dirty facilities. the doctors say the gloves were so kep cheap they would break and nurses say they had to treat so many patients they weren't able to handle the demand. >> let's look at the numbers, how could i have the lowest cost. i did. i had best patient satisfaction and better outcomes. we measured everything. who put that out? the unions put these things out because they want to unionize your hospitals. >> yeah. >> if you look at the facts, lower price, better outcomes, better patient satisfaction. >> you are copping to the fact

that your company paid $1.7 billion the most ever in the history of the united states. >> after i left the company paid those fines. the company did not pay those fines when i was there. >> hold on. no. no. no. you are playing with the facts sir. let me tell you what happened. these charges were charged against your company while you were there, while you were the boss over a period of ten years. yes, they were paid after you left. but they accused them of happening while you were leading the company. you know that. >> rick, it covered time frames before i bought those companies and afterwards. >> by the way, we should share with you, rick scott appeared on a conservative news program and agreed with a suggestion that under the british health care system he maintains the united states will adopt health care has become so scarce mothers are forced to give birth to babies

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pages of george orwell. remember wondering about the times and asking yourself but not wanting to believe it. thinking maybe the real reason we were being warned about threat levels could possibly be purely political? we never wanted to believe it. we did joke about it. let me take you back five years, if i possibly could. five years exactly this month george bush is running for re-election as the democrats have finished their convention and gotten quite a spike. here is a guy named jon stewart. >> the democratic party in the spotlight. many people are wondering, yes, oh, this just in. terror warning. okay. all right. i guess they'll have to stop -- hmm. so unlike previous scares that seemed vague and suspiciously timed to undercut an opposition, this one seems relatively

specific. maybe the war on terror is finally becoming depoliticized. >> you must understand the kind of information is as a result of the president's leadership in the war against terror. >> that was tom ridge, keep that name in mind, august 2004. let's fast forward to november. days before the election and today we can tell what was actually going on behind some closed doors in the bush administration. thanks in part to tom ridge. cnn's ed henry picks up the story from here. >> reporter: the friday before the 2004 election only two or three points separated democrat john kerry from president bush. suddenly a twist, osama bin laden released a shocking new videotape and it played nonstop on the arab language network al jazeera. >> translator: your security is

not in the hands of kerry or bush or al qaeda. your security is in your own hands. >> reporter: the next morning just 72 hours before the polls opened, the president's top security advisers including donald rumsfeld and john ashcroft huddled for an urgent meeting to decide whether to raise the color coded threat warning from yellow to orange. tom ridge reports a vigorous discussion ensued. ashcroft strongly urged an increase in the tlefl level and rumsfeld agreed. there was no support for this in our department. i wondered is this about security or politics? post election analysis demonstrated a significant increase in the president's approval ratings in the days after the raising of the threat level. listen to then vice president

cheney ten days before the bin laden tape. >> the ultimate threat is the possibility of their succeeding and getting a biological agent or nuclear weapon, smuggling it into the united states, into one of our own cities and raising the specter of being able to kill hundreds of thousands of americans. >> reporter: in the summer of 2004 a few days after the democratic national convention the white house had raised the threat level. charges of political manipulation denied by ridge at the time. >> we don't do politics in the department of homeland security. >> at the tense meeting, the weekend before the election ridge writes "it seemed possible to me and others around the table that something could be afoot other than simple concern about the country's safety." in the end, however, the threat level was not raised after he and others pulled rumsfeld and ashcroft back from the bring. ridge said the episode left him

disillusioned. he writes i knew i had to follow up on my plans to leave the federal government. he tendered his resignation within a month of the election. i consider that episode to be not only a dramatic moment in washington's recent history but another illustration of the intersection of politics, and fear. townsend says politician was never discussed about the meeting and the discussion was based solely on intelligence. ed henry, cnn, the white house. we will bring you reaction from the bush administration. also when i come back, "newsweek" correspondent mark hosens be balm is going to join me about how americans are going to deal with this. this seeming evidence they may have been manipulated for purely political reasons. it is an important conversation. stay with us.

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welcome back. boy, we are getting a lot of comments. joining me from washington a frequent guest on this show, a "newsweek" investigative correspondent i have talked to many times on several subjects. mark, good afternoon. >> hello. how are you doing? >> fabulous. you covered this administration as much as anyone. >> i covered these events you are talking about. >> as well. does the revelation by tom ridge that he was pressured

politically to manipulate the terror threat level, does that surprise you? >> not at all, really. i certainly suspected things like this. i think we all suspected things like this for quite some period of time. >> did you like a lot of us americans not want to believe it even when you suspected it? >> no. i kind of believed it. >> did you really? >> yeah. >> what was leading you to believe that these guys would be capable of doing something like this, which seems on its face to be, well, a distortion of the froout, right? >> i remember and your piece alluded to this, what happened the day after john kerry's nominating convention, they announced this big terror arrest in england and raised the terror threat level. that looked kind of political.

the administration as i recall put out a very, very heavy full-court press to try to say it wasn't political. i was involved in receiving some of that spin. i knew quite a lot about the case they were talking about. a case involving some people in england who the government in england and the united states had known about a long time. there was a question in my mind as to why that case was being broken up then. there were complaints from the british side that the americans pressured them to precipitate that arrest before the british were ready. we had suspicion that politics were being played with this issue. all you say to secretary ridge's revelations now is now he tells us. the revelation is a little bit moot now, i guess. >> here is what francis towson

said, she is speaking in defense of and on behalf of the former bush administration. >> not only do i not think it played -- politics played any part in it at all. it was never skis discussed. earlier that summer there was the bin laden tape and another tape, but a u.s. citizen who was a member of al qaeda and it was a very threatening tape. the discussion involved around what the intelligence was. there was no discussion of politics whatsoever. >> i'm interested in your reaction to that. she named some specifics there. the threat against the financial district, the bin laden tapes. is she right? >> i have a lot of respect for fran. i regard her as a very honest person. my recollection to this issue about the threat of the financial district, this is the case i was talking about.

threat against the financial district went back several years. before 9/11 they were just busting people who had been involved in drawing up plans to attack the financial district and washington. some years ago the plans were drawn up before 9/11. as i said earlier, there are questions in my mind as to why that particular issue was trotted out at the time it was trotted out. if fran says she didn't hear at some particular meeting any discussion of politics. i believe her. she doesn't make things up. >> is this something the current president of the united states can act upon? do you think people within his own party will say enough is enough and even republicans will join together with democrats to say, if they were doing that, if they were saying things and trying to convince the american people of things that weren't really happening, there should be some kind of justice for this? >> i don't think there is any appetite for opening another

line of inquiry into the politicization of this stuff or politicization of intelligence. >> so we let it go? we pretend it didn't happen and move on? >> on the other hand, to say what obama is doing, in fact, he has set up a committee on which fran townsend, of all people, is one of the leading members to review the color-coded terror alert. the obama administration hasn't used any of this mum bow jumbo since they came to office. from what i can tell they want to get rid of it. if you get rid of it and make the alert system more targeted at particular industries that eliminates some of the ability to manipulate people in simple ways. the whole idea of the color-coded terror alert to make the threat or understanding of

the threat simple so everybody could understand things were more dangerous today than yesterday. we don't know how real they were. >> let me ask you a question a lot of americans are going to tussle with. a lot of americans are going to watch this conversation, politicians are machiavellian, they will try to do things for political reasons. what is the big news here, fellows? it is almost like parsing a white lie, a big lie or a damn lie. where does this fall? >> it is not exactly a white lie. it is a manipulation, an exaggeration. i wouldn't say it is the worst thing i have heard in politics. it is the kind of thing i wouldn't put it past any politician of any stripe. bill clinton bombed iraq about the time he was about to give his deposition in the monica lewinsky case.

we are cynical about that and justifiably so. to attribute this to one stripe of politician is unfair. >> i think you are absolutely right. as i recall what happened in the bill clinton administration i thought, there was a movie over it? >> wag the dog. >> thank you. i was going to say wag the tail. wag the dog. >> there is a new movie from england called "in the loop" telling stories along similar lines. if you want to be entertained there are some things that could entertain you. >> machiavellianism is on the present. thank you for letting me sound smart with multisyllabic words. thank you. >> thank you. naked and confused. it is happening more than you think on airplanes. what the feds do on this case. new details of a crash of a

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boy, we've got a lot of reaction from you. we are going to share it in just a bit. this is our top story. two air traffic controller workers are suspended. one is a supervisor, not in the room when a plane and helicopter collided. the other being on the phone talking to someone while he was supposed to be helping and watching the pilot of a plane that crashed with a helicopter. nine people died. here is a cut from the transcript as i read this to you

earlier. i said i have plenty of gas on the grill. the woman says it kind of sucks we won't be able to do it today. the controller says fire up the cat. the woman says, disgusting. that thing was disgusting. to which the controller replies chinese people do it so why can't we. >> he was talking about a dead cat found at the airport and cooking the cat. here is what you have been telling me in no uncertain terms. let's start with facebook. wendy said fire him or make him take sensitivity training. at the least sensitivity training we have enough hate in the world without people like him sparking more. to the twitter board. work ethic has hit a new low for americans. i think he should be replaced.

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like 3095? what is her day going to be like? >> she's going to need to eat about 100 to 110 pounds of food. >> sean owns this fourth-generation farm in pennsylvania, and he's finding creative ways to make ends meet. >> a large pile of manure. >> all for power. that's right. his 600 milking cows help power the farm. their waste is flushed into a big mixer and stored for about 16 days to create methane gas. and the gas created inside of it generates enough electricity to power hillcrest dairy farm and some neighboring homes. converting waste to power saves him almost $200,000 a year. >> so, you're talking system, project cost, over a million dollars to build the system, but payback in five years or less. >> if your great grandfather,

who started this operation, if he were alive today and you were to say, grandpa sailor, we are powering our farm with cow manure? >> probably disbelief. it would be more like science fiction to him. >> rockwood, pennsylvania. my health is important to me. it's critical that i stick to my medication. i cannot be one of the 61 million americans

who do not refill their prescriptions on time. readyfill at cvs pharmacy automatically refills my prescriptions and reminds me to pick them up. you mean, reminds me to pick them up. [ chuckles ] stop by your local cvs pharmacy to ask if readyfill is right for you, and get a $25 coupon book. readyfill, only at cvs pharmacy. we have our cnn medical correspondent elizabeth cohen standing by. as fast as possible. >> yes. >> you'll answer questions on the twitter board. people are asking great questions. we're starting something today called the rick sanchez after-show tour. people who take a tour of the cnn sent rer visiting us. there they are right there. see them? hey, guys. wave. hello! mike? raise your hand, mike. there's two mikes. who's mike mullen who's 68 years

old? don't look a day over 18. mike wants to know if his medicare is going to be affected or go away if we were to pass health care reform. he's concerned. >> you know, mike, your medicare is not going to go away under health care reform. health care reform in many ways you can think of it as sort of reform for the rest of us. medicare is here, it exists, it's in many ways an example of a social program that works. right? people over the age of 65 are pretty well taken care of. there might be some changes to try to make it more efficient. medicare is a bit wasteful right now, but the medicare will not go away as mike knows it. >> here to stay. >> here to stay. >> to the twitter board. my question is this -- we have something wonderful in the united states. the there's no place in the world you want to be if you get a rare diggs order, if you get cancer, have some freakish kind of injury. we can deal with that. in canada, for example, they're not good at that. they come here to get treated for that, people in canada, but they're really good at broken

ankles, bad colds and the ow wees we take care of. how do we adjust our system to get what they have but not lose what we have, the best critical care in the world monopoly. >> sthast absolutely the trick. there is a reason rich saudi princes come to the united states for their medical care. it's great for those really difficult to attack big problems you describe. that's the trick. how do you keep that but try to do the other parts better? i'll give you an example. when a woman has a baby in england, she has a nurse coming to her every day to make sure she and that baby are doing okay. on a regular bay ses, she gets that visit. here a new mom is pretty much on her own at home. >> routine. >> it's the little things we don't always do so well here. >> but reason those little things important? if you do those little things, you can prevent the big things down the line? >> exactly. if you take a diabetic and call, how are you doing, mrs. smith, god forbid visit her, how is it

going? you can prevent that incredibly expensive surgery she might have ten years down the road. that is the trick, to make our health care more efficient to do those little things. you know why we don't do them very well? >> why? >> nobody makes money off them. no big pharmaceutical company or imaging company makes money when you call mrs. smith and ask about her glucose. >> checkups, preventive care, it's not as profitable? >> absolutely not as profitable. >> interesting. the twitter board. a lot of teem are talking about tort reform. wouldn't there be huge savings if we could somehow stop the lawyers from suing doctors? here's the way they phrase the question. tort reform would equal huge savings. why isn't the president talking about it, and why isn't it part of the health care reform package? >> doctors want tort reform because they hate being sued and they say, look, when you sue us doctors, we have to jack up the prices to pay for insurance and lawyers and we start practicing defensive medicine, which isn't

good for anybody. however, president obama and others, this is their thinking -- yes, tort reform in some ways would be good, but you know what, on the other hand, that would also mean it would be harder for you to see your doctor. if your doctor amputates your right leg instead of your left, shouldn't you be able to sue them for gigantic amounts of money? >> i know how much you love your kids and how much i love my kids. if something happened to my kid, i would want some kind of justice. next one before we run out of time. this is great and we'll continue on the after show on cnn.com/live. "given such favorable support by americans in polling data, why aren't we hearing about single payer?" >> ah, the single-payer groups. exador23 is one of them. there are people who feel strongly we should go to a single-payer system where the government runs the health insurance in the whole country and they're the only ones who run it, they're a single