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it eventually? >> lo and behold, i had prostate cancer. >> larry: an hour that could save a loved one's life, or yours, next on "larry king live." good evening. a very important program tonight, and i don't want to go overboard, but it could help to possibly save your life. joe torre will be joining us later tonight. we'll be hearing from lots of different people. right here are our panel. michael mill kin, not only a prostate cancer survivor himself but the founder of the prostate cancer foundation. someone said if they'll ever cure it, they'll name the cure the mill kin cure. john mcenroe, seven-time grand slam tennis champion. he's ambassador, john's father, by the way, had prostate cancer. >> that's right. >> larry: and christopher rose, a leader in his field, radiation oncologist and director of the center for radiation therapy in beverly hills.

dr. rose, i'll start with you, if you'll briefly tell us, what is prostate cancer? >> well, prostate cancer a malignancy, an uncontrolled growth of the gland which creates secretions in which the sperm are transported out of the male. >> larry: it can only happen in men. >> that's correct. >> larry: it occurs inside the gland. >> that's where it starts. >> larry: and grows slowly, right? >> it tends to be slow-growing disease in most people. >> larry: so, what is the biggest fear of it, then? >> well, the problem is that it can cause local problems. it can cause obstruction, which makes it is hard to urinate. but, worse, it can spread outside the gland and go to other parts of the body and eventually end up in significant disability and death. >> larry: when were you depositinged with it, michael? >> 1993. >> larry: and when you were told, what was the first thing you did, knowing you as a man of action? >> well, when they told me i had 12 months to live, i had to rest for a few seconds and figure out what i could do differently.

at that point i'd lost ten relatives to cancer, and i was just trying to figure out what i could do different than they had done. >> larry: had it spread? >> yes, it had. >> larry: with all we read, if it spreads, you're doomed. >> well, i'm happy to be here 16 years later, and i think that isn't the case. then that might have been the diagnosis, but not today, and there are millions of men living around the world who have had prostate cancer and who have had prostate cancer that have spread, larry. >> larry: there are lots of things about it. decision making, we read articles about it all the time, "new york times," "wall street journal," do this test, don't do this test. we'll get into all of that. john, how did you get involved in all this? >> originally they were looking for someone 50 years old, because the campaign was 50% of people over 50 have an enlarged prostate, but then even since i've been involved the past year, the guidelines, the american euroological association has announced that 40s is the new test. at the time. maybe they should start having, well, this is part of what you're saying, a psa test.

>> larry: right. >> and hide like to think at 50, myself turning 50 in february, living a healthy lifestyle, active lifestyle and being the type of person that because of that wouldn't want to go to a doctor, i don't need to have the test, trying to be proactive instowed of reactive and obviously since my father had it five years ago, it hit closer to home and i knew more about it. so, it seemed to be a natural fit. >> larry: is your father cured? >> yes. he's doing well. >> larry: explain, dr. rose, the psa test. >> the psa is a substance produced only by the prostate gland, and when patients have prostate cancer, they have an overabundance of this, and it can be tested in the blood. >> larry: and you take a blood test. >> right. >> larry: you get a number, right? >> that's correct. >> larry: and with that number, you then have decisions to make, right? >> well, the number is a moving target. there's no one number that says that you have prostate cancer. but that can alert you to do additional tests. >> larry: like biopsy. >> biopsies, and there's also a

new test which appears to be even more accurate in determining which patients are going to have prostate cancer. >> it's kind of amazing when you think of other cancers, larry. here you have a simple test, and there's a great debate, should you take a test. shouldn't. but i would not be alive today had i not had -- >> larry: what's the argument against taking it? there are reports that people there are false positives. you shouldn't take it. >> well, the arguments are what do you do if your psa is high, et cetera? but i think we've been able to substantially reduce the death rate in america and other parts of the world by that simple test, and men are being diagnosed far earlier with prostate cancer. the question is, once you're diagnosed, what do you do? >> larry: and there's some times like four or five decisions you can make, and in this case it's left up to the patient, right? >> well, i mean, i think we like to try and guide our patients. the modern ethos is that the patient is the person who makes the decision. >> larry: legendary radioman don imus took the airwaves in march

to tell his listeners about his cancer. >> last wednesday i was diagnosed with stage two prostate cancer. i thought, oh. it wasn't great news, but i was actually kind of surprised, you know? so, you know -- and it was such that it's not obviously confined to the prostate. had a bone scan. when did i have the bone scan, do you remember? >> a couple days ago. >> that was fine. so, i have the great confidence in my doctors. >> larry: don, looking panic stricken, doesn't he? before he fell asleep. >> i think the good news, though, is if detected early, probably like a lot of cancers, you correct me if i'm wrong, there's a very, very high cure rate. so, i think that's the idea behind getting tested earlier, and it seems illogical not to have a psa test. michael, you said yourself, one

out of six men are going to get prostate cancer. >> that's correct. >> so, it's hard to imagine there's an argument against it. even the i-man wouldn't argue with that. so, there's good news to be made here. >> and one thing we've seen in the last 15 to 16 years is the alternative treatments and quality treatments, that if it has spread, so that your decision is not watchful waiting or -- or radiation or surgery, but it's a much more complicated decision. there's a lot of choices today. >> larry: all right. >> i think that the -- >> larry: anyone can jump in. >> you know, the public health authorities are looking at a moving target. they are looking at results of treatment 10 to 15 years ago. they see 20 years ago they see patients who's quality of life was significantly degraded as a result of the treatment. they see a disease that takes a long time to end up killing the patient. and they make the statement, well, perhaps it's better not diagnosed. i think, mike, you'll tell that the quality of life of patients

after they're treated either with surgery or with radiation is significantly better. most people, in fact, have no problems. >> i think a lot of people think of cancer differently. they think about someone that had radiation. a lot of damage to other issues, or they think about chemother y chemotherapy. science has evolved so far today that the side effects of chemotherapy have been reduced through science. the quality of radiation has increased dramatically and the side effects. >> larry: it's what you do, right? >> that's right. in surgery today we have robotic minimally invasive surgery where people are actually out of the hospital within a day or two of going in. >> larry: there's a lot of decisions that are made here, and is it a myth to say you will die with it, not of it? he's fought wars and prostate cancer, general colin powell, tells us about it next. with more calcium and vitamin d... to support bone and breast health... while helping you hydrate. one a day women's 2o.

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prostate cancer show tonight, we're including general colin powell, former secretary of state, former chairman of the joint chiefs. he had surgery for prostate cancer in 2003 and has remained very active, why, about it? >> well, it was a problem i had. i dealt with that problem. i'm a prostate cancer winner. and i suspected i would have it eventually, because my psa, my

screening, number was always high. and my doctors at walter reed, great doctors, would give me a biopsy every few years. it was the third biopsy that found it. and i elected to have surgery and remove my prostate. >> larry: you had choices. >> i had choices. and all of them have their advantages and disadvantages. increasingly it's being done by robotics. but it was a problem i had to beat it. i beat it. i'm in great health. i'm in fine shape. my psa remains now zero, of course. and you move on with life. what's important and what i was able to catch it and deal with it is regular exams. regular exams, psa test, but also regular digital exams. and it's especially important in the african-american community, because african-american men have a higher propensity for prostate cancer than white men. and so i encourage, and i have encouraged, a number of psas,

public service announcements, and in other ways, to encourage all men, as soon as you get to an age where it is more likely for you to have it, to take psa testing and -- but have a digital exam as unpleasant as it may be, it may save your life. >> larry: as we've been discussing tonight, though, men are in an unusual position, men with this disease, they are given choices. most people tell you, you have this, you do this. you can have radiation. you can have watchful waiting. you can have this kind of surgery. you can do this. there's even a dispute over whether you should take the psa, whether any of them are given. what are the costs going to be and the health insurance, right? >> yeah, yeah. >> larry: wide range of choices. how do you make it? >> you make it in consultation with your doctor. and ultimately, it's a decision you have to make personally. in my case, once the tumor was discovered and we determined that it was wholly contained within the prostate, it hadn't spread outside the prostate, i

sat down with my surgeon, and i sat down with the radiologist, and they took me through the alternatives, and the possibility of success and the aftereffects, the problems that one might -- that you might have. >> larry: radiation ask less than surgery. >> radiation much less than surgery. but surgery is more, frankly, definitive than radiation. and after thinking bit all and consulting with my wife and consulting with my family, i had great confidence in the surgeon who was going to be doing it. and so i elected to have surgery. >> larry: were you scared? >> sure. until i took the joy juice, and then i just went away for a couple of hours. >> larry: were there many post problems? >> i had a few. i had a few. and i don't think we need to go here to the exclusive detail of that. >> larry: no. >> but it was a couple of months, several months, before i felt that the worst was over. and with each passing month, it was better and better.

>> larry: do you need regular checkups now? >> i go for a regular checkup every year at walter reed, but there's nothing to check up on. >> larry: by the way, it's -- it's an army hospital. >> army hospital. >> larry: is it a good hospital? >> it's a great hospital. >> larry: do you have top surgeons there? >> we have great surgeons there. i've been cared for at walter reed for the last 20 to 25 years. all of our military facilities are under pressure now because of the demands with the wars in afghanistan and iraq, so you have to take that into account. and there's a merger taking place now between the bethesda naval hospital and walter reed, so it's going to be one combined new medical facility. >> larry: but as we're encouraging men over what age? >> well, i'll let the doctors say it. i think it's over 40 that you better start. >> larry: do the psa test because it's an indicator. >> it's controversial. some people say, well, maybe it's not a good intekater, but i knew it was -- i found it was a good indicator because i was

always high. because i was always high, i religiously had digital exams. >> larry: thanks, colin. >> thanks. >> larry: coming up next, the manufacturinger of the dodgers, joe torre, tells us how he struck out cancer.

>> larry: many of them have been brave enough to talk about it publicly on this program, and we're showing you some of those clips tonight. here now are three great politicians sharing their stories. >> i thought the rates with seed therapy are just as good. some of the side effects are a little bit less. i can see people that opt for surgery, and then some people just do external radiation, and some people just do implantation of seed. i thought doing the three things, the hormones, the seeds, and then the external radiation would give me the best chance of killing it, no matter -- no matter where it is. >> larry: do you have surgery? >> larry, i did have surgery. yes, i did. i had surgery. at johns hopkins in baltimore.

i was very lucky. i had early detection. and i'm able to say that i'm here, cured, and i want to stay that way. >> larry: you mentioned cancer to some people, and the lights go out. we mentioned it on this show. >> in fact, yes. >> larry: the news came in on this program. >> yes. >> larry: about your cancer. and it's a scary word just to look at it. >> but you'd be surprised about the people i'veeard from with the different kinds of cancer, and the key to all this is early detection and seeing your doctor. >> larry: he's won six world series, he's a prostate cancer survivor, he's joe torre from dodgers stadium next.

>> larry: the first thick they thing they say to you, you have the champagne of cancer. >> you don't have pain? no, you have the champagne of cancer because you have so many treatments. and they talked to me about it, and i said, i don't want anything sliced out of me. i have never had an operation in my life and they told me about radiation and i thought i would do that. and boat in the mediterranean for two months. and he called me, merv, you have to undergo treatment, what are you doing out there? i said, i will, i will, i will. by this time, i'd forgotten. he ruined my whole day when he called. you got cancer, remember? >> larry: shortly thereafter merv would pass away from the disease he tended to overlook.

by the way, there is a number to call if you want more information, 1-800-757-cure or logon to pcf.org. it's the prostate cancer foundation. joining our panel from dodgers stadium in los angeles, the manager of the los angeles dodgers. joe torre. he's a prostate cancer survivor. joe, how did you discover you had it? >> well, larry, it was just my regular, routine checkup. actually, i used to -- i took a stress test before i went to spring training. this was in '99. and they discovered that my -- my psa had elevated. it was, like, 2.6, and it was -- no, excuse me, 4.6 from about 2.6. and my doctor, my cardiologist said, when you get down to florida, have it checked again. they checked it again. it stayed the same. i had a biopsy taken, and lo and behold, threat was, i had

prostate cancer. you know, never felt bad. felt wonderful. we had just won second world series, and i was tickled pink, and all of a sudden, you know, you get hit in the face. >> larry: now, you had decisions to make. you could have done radiology. you could have done nothing. you chose surgery, right? why? >> well, you know, i had an aggressive form of cancer. and prostate cancer. and thank goodness, michael milken, who i had not met, but my brother frank had met, had called and really sort of cleared up all that fuzziness that was going on. because, you know, when you first hear the word "cancer," you just think of a black hole there and there's no way out. and then i talked to michael, and he gave me a list of doctors to check with. and i settled on having the surgery done after visiting with bill catallona in st. louis. and, you know, it's ten years. i knock on wood, and i'm very thankful for -- for the price -- prostate cancer foundation and

mike milken for directing me in the right way. >> larry: it is difficult, john, though, when you hear that -- joe does describe, when they say the tword, you haven't heard it, but can you imagine what it's like to be told? >> my father had cancer. >> sort of why i was here is i think that i have been affected in a different way. it was my father and not myself. other cancer survivors are the doctor, the idea would be if it's a small price to pay to take a psa test, as a cholesterol test as part of your regular checkup, and live a healthy lifestyle, that we need to do more of in general, with six kids of my own, wanting to see people live a healthy and active lifestyle. and i feel that i'm in better shape than i've been in 20 years. i think that's where i come in. >> i think john has made a really important point here. heredity is only 30% to 40%. lifestyle is 70%. so, you can actually affect your outcome. >> larry: all right. >> so, early detection is great,

but you'd rather not get it so -- >> larry: i want to find out what radiation does. but, first, joe, what do you do since? you drink different kind of drinks, right, you have your green tea and other things, you stay on top of this. >> i'm all over it. i have green tea. i've got a regular ritual in the dugout every day. i get my green tea and sometimes if it's real hot, i have it iced. but mike milken turned me on to a soy shake which i continue to have on an everyday basis, and i -- you know, i take some supplements and some minerals and enzymes, and as i say, knock on wood, everything seems to be fine. i get checked every three months were and make sure that, you know, my psa level is at a manageable number, and the whole thing about it, i think, once you set your mind to the fact that, you know, you're going to live with this disease, you know, it's sort of like controlling a problem you have. i guess like diabetics, you know, you can live with

diabetes. it's just a matter of doing the right things to help you do that. nutrition is one. exercise is another. and keeping on top of it, you know, i heard john talk about getting tested. well, my son, who is in his 40s, probably too early to get tested, but if there's prostate cancer in your family, it's a good idea to get a baseline, and he's been doing that. >> larry: let's talk about something when we come back. we'll talk about radiation. but let's also talk about the fact that this is a man's disease, and it also affects sex life. we'll be right back. ket cornered on. let me make it easier for you. let me show you how i can make it easier for you. we have the number one rated online banking website. it has an alert system that can text message you, so you're mobile banking, your bank's telling you what your current balance is. it's telling you if a certain check is cleared. customers that use the internet, use online banking. it all kind of falls in with what you're doing, and it's free. you can pay all your bills online, customers can save tons of time. we have great new image atms. it will give you a receipt which has a copy

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>> larry: why be so public about it? >> well, it's a very serious disease, and it scares a lot of people. it shouldn't scare them, if you go get a regular checkup, and you come close on it, and there's many american men suffer from it. >> larry: do you feel as if -- >> it's worked. i guess i'm the prostate cancer. >> larry: how old are you? >> 75. >> larry: how was it picked up? >> a routine physical. >> larry: a psa test? >> yeah, the psa was too high. >> larry: charlton heston would pass away much later on, of course, and not from prostate cancer. what does radiation do, dr. rose? >> radiation therapy kills cells that are dividing. >> larry: so, you get it after you're diagnosed with the

cancer, right? >> that's correct. >> larry: it kills the cells. does it also kill good cells? >> well, it does. but normal tissue, the cells in the prostate and the cells around there, have a higher propensity to repair the radiation damage, so by breaking the radiation up into little bits, the normal tissue tends to repair and the cancer keeps being killed. >> larry: you were beyond doing that, mike? >> mine had spread, so surgery was an option. but regional radiation is an option for those who had cancer that spread. >> larry: what did your father do? >> my father did do radiation. >> larry: and it worked. >> and it worked. we were talking during the breaks one of the reasons i'm here as well is the odds go up greatly, joe was mentioning with his son, the new baseline, they're saying i was 40 instead of 50. but the odds go up how much -- >> they double if -- >> larry: so, your odds are greater to get it. >> exactly. >> larry: joe, you could have had radiation, right? >> yes. in fact, larry, i did have

radiation. because as i said, it was an aggressive form, and i had the surgery, which went very well. and then they just did some follow-up radiation, just to sort of put a cherry on top of it. >> larry: let's discuss something that has to be discussed. it is a male disease. what about effect on sex life, joe? >> well, you know, the thing is a lot of it depends on, you know, how you come through the surgery, because it's a very delicate operation, and as mike was talking about, it -- you know, they do it robotically now. but it's a very delicate surgery, where it affects the nerves, and that can lead to incontinence and, of course, impoten impotence, but, you know, i -- i'm able to function. i'm very thankful that mike sent me to bill catallona, who, you know, continues to be a friend of mine. i always figure if i'm nice to

my doctors, i'll live longer, so i befriended all my doctors. >> larry: good point, joe. but, mike, that's a big fear. come on, you tell a man this is in the gland that produces sperm, you scare them. >> well, today prostate cancer for most people -- 90% of the cases -- is not life threatening if you deal with it. merv griffin obviously -- >> larry: did not. >> -- unfortunately ignored when he could have dealt with things. but obviously the concern of most men is, what about incontinence and what about impotence? and the case of incontinence it's really rare today with a good surgeon and good radiation. and in the case of impotence the question is really where's the cancer versus the nerves. and once again, technology has improved so greatly. that there's been great breakthroughs in that area also. >> larry, you know, both treatments, both the newest surgical treatments and the newest radiation treatments are substantially able to spare radiation in the areas that cause impotence.

obviously, impotence occurs, it occurs much more frequently than any of us would like. but it's much, much less. >> larry: are we saying tonight every man over 40, as a safety feature, should take a psa test? are we saying that to the audience? >> i think that's what we are saying. i believe -- >> larry: you're over 40, take a psa test. >> well, it's funny, because it was 50 at the beginning of this year. when i became involved with this and started going around and talking about it. since then, a few months later, it was recommended that the new baseline be 40. but you guys know about it than i do. is that correct? >> american men for sure. >> larry: african-american men definitely. >> because their incident is almostwice as high and the death rate is much higher. if you have a family, an uncle, a grandfather, a first cousin, a brother, 40. and otherwise, you know, maybe 50 is okay. >> larry: but you're talking about every man. and if you're a woman listening, tell your husband or your father. >> you know, it's interesting you bring that up, larry.

you know, most of the driving force in medicine in this country's been driven by women. and if you go speak to a group of 1,000 men and 50 women, half the questions will be asked by the women. they'll say my father's too embarrassed to ask, my husband's too embarrassed to ask. and they've been a real driving force since it affects the whole family. >> larry: we'll talk about diet in a minute and come back with mcenroe and milken and torpe and rose. joe will be with us for one more segment.

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i was able to be detected early on. >> larry: yeah, it's a -- and we'll be part of that, i'll be part of that radio-thon, it starts -- runs friday and through the weekend. an innovative, community-based, nonprofit celebration. john is associated with a great organization, too. he's the stand-up to cancer. and, john, you're also, to set the record straight, you've done a campaign encouraging men to get tested. the full disclosure campaign. and glaxosmithkline funded and helped develop that campaign, and they compensated you, right? >> that's true. it's absolutely true. but it's also true that guys in general to me are very suborn people. and they're very prideful, and i'm one of those guys, look, i'm healthy. i was a professional athlete and tennis player. i don't need to get checked. i don't need to go to the doctor. it seems at the very least that you should assess your options. i'm the type of guy, i don't know about you guys, if i got lost driving around l.a. like i did trying to get to the studio, i wouldn't ask for directions. you know, we won't even do that.

you know? so it seems like at the very least, we could get to the point where something as critical as this, particularly when i found out my father had it. >> you know, john is so right, larry, we've had programs arod the country where all the costs are paid for and we have a hard time getting a man out of his house to go. women get checked all the time. they have babies. they're used to this issue. and for a lot of men, they're either living or dying. if they don't know something, they're fine, and if they do, they're at risk. and so it has been an issue. and john's awareness campaign, and others, has really been important, and that's one of the reasons, besides research and treatment, that the death rate has dropped so significantly. >> larry: before joe leaves us, joe, is there any connection between having your illness and the pressure of your job? >> well, there's no question that stress can accelerate any problem you have, and that's why i try to eat right. i try to exercise a lot, because i think that reduces stress.

so, you try to keep the tension down. of course, leaving new york didn't hurt. with the stress level. but the interesting part is when i was diagnosed, quickly, now, in '99, my wife said -- allie said to me, if we'd retired, nobody would know about this, and at the time i said, you're right. but once i did go public with it and i had so many people come to me and just say, i had it, or i better get checked, it made me feel good that i was influencing other people. and, you know, john mcenroe talking about it and bashes because it's a very sensitive area. anytime it affects your impotency or the possibility of your sex life, is the fact that, you know, when people -- when they see us living normal lives and, you know, even doing stressful jobs like this, that they realize that this is not a death sentence.

and to me, getting checked is the easiest thing to do. and if you discover it early, you can continue living a very productive life. >> larry: joe, i thank you. we'll have a couple of segments left after you leave. we know you got a game to play, but we did want to remind you that the thinkcure radio telethon is on right now, and it will run right through saturday night. you go to dodgers.com/thinkcure for more information. joe, thanks a bunch. we'll see you at the ballpark. >> all right. and you're right, john, did you play tennis, pretty damn good, too. >> thank you. you're doing a great job as a manager, too, right now. once again, well done. >> larry: we'll be back. >> thank you. so far, so good. >> larry: we'll be back in 60 seconds. ahead on 36, some wa0, shou

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>> everybody had assured me across the board that i didn't have cancer. everybody. oh, your psa numbers are so low, the technicians are in there, taking a biopsy, you don't have it, no way.

>> larry: who told you? >> the urologist who actually took the biopsy in the first place. >> larry: what did he say? >> he said, one, very briefly, there's no other way to tell you this, you have cancer. the big "c." >> larry: mike is chairman of the milken institute and the prostate cancer foundation. you can go to pcf.org. both publicly supported, nonprofit charitable organizations. they have independent relationships with farma and various drug companies. what's the latest with your organization? >> well, the latest, larry, is there's 20 countries that are doing research around the world. and we're looking at sometime around 2015, 2016 of eliminating prostate cancer as a cause of death, so we're all going to take a vacation for at least a month or so at that point in time. >> larry: i tell you, if they cure this disease, right, you're going to name this the milken cure. >> well -- >> by when did you say?

>> 2016. the viewers might not remember that show. one of the first major shows on cancer. 1995. and one of the difficulties was getting individuals so we could conduct studies, on families, where more than one person had cancer. that show in 1995, we had 3,000 families sign up within 30 days. prior to that, it took 12 years to find families. and they are all reporting to duty once they heard you and general schwarzkopf ask them to help. but prostate cancer has really changed the treatments, the death rates have dropped substantially. and it's not just prostate cancer. it's all cancers today. less people are dying of cancer, and hopefully we'll eliminate all cancer by 2016. >> larry: there's one aspect of this we haven't mentioned. watchful waiting. that's don't do anything. >> no, it isn't don't do anything. it's watch it very carefully. i like the term "active surveillance." so, there are some patients in

whom the disease is not likely to cause disability, and we really don't have time to go in to what those characteristics are, but if you fit into that group, there's nothing inappropriate about taking your time time to make the decision and seeing where the psa goes and having repeated biopsies. >> larry: is it a myth you die with it not of it. >> we need to know who is going to die with it rather than of it. >> larry: if you tested every male over 75, over 50% would have prostate cancer? >> a significant number would. the trick is to know who would have lethal cancers. right now we don't know that and because we don't know which are the lethal cancers and which aren't, if the psa is rising the appropriate thing is to get treatment. >> as dr. rose says, the

solution is we want to know whether your cancer is a potential fatal cancer and going to affect your life or not. if it is not, no treatment is required. the concept of "watchful waiting" assumes you will do something for yourself. i think we have some responsibilities. one of those is nutrition, exercise. because we believe you can slow down the growth rate. >> larry: since you got involved in this campaign, john, do you worry more about it. >> i worry more, but i also worry less. obviously, the more i learned the more i have become edge kated and the more pro active i have become has allowed me a sense of comfort. being tested and knowing what happened with my father and his success. i had to overcome that stigma, i'm fine. i don't want to get tested. i'm happy to be here sitting here as a standup for cancer

using the word ambassador i guess people call me a tennis ambassador. considering where i came from 30 years ago when a couple people were rooting against me. >> larry: no kidding. >> the word ambassador and mcenroe don't go hand in hand. >> larry: you are not exactly diplomatic. >> i'm getting there. >> larry: do you think we will overcome the word cancer means death? >> yeah. >> larry: it seems you hear cancer -- >> absolutely true. you are able to answer better, but in a short word, yes. >> larry, i believe we already have. there are more than 10 million americans who have had cancer. >> larry: have had it. don't have it. >> and are doing fine. we have had two people run for president of the united states that had cancer. >> larry: bob dole and who? >> john kerry. >> larry: that's right. >> most people didn't know john kerry had prostate cancer even

though it was announced. >> larry, shows like this and the questions you ask are the absolute antidote to the fear people have. i mean, once people take cancer out of the closet and begin to grapple with it, it becomes a less scary problem. >> larry: take your psa test. it is a simple blood test and you get the results in a couple of days. it's okay. thanks. goodnight. goodnight. (door crashes in, alarm sounds) get out! (phone rings) hello? this is rick with broadview security. is everything all right? no, my ex-boyfriend just kicked in the front door. i'm sending help right now. thank you. (announcer) brink's home security is now broadview security. call now to install the standard system for just $99. the proven technology of a broadview security system

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>> i found out more of my old friends from years ago have had prostate cancer. then i could have possibly ever have believed.

but the fact is that it is so great to have this psa. they would have never found out that i had prostate cancer without the psa. >> larry: mike is very optimistic. but he is not a doctor. are you, dr. rose, optimistic? >> yes. absolutely. i'm convinced my profession life, not my life, my professional life will be shortened because numerous cancers will be cured and i will have less to do. >> larry: you mean you might be put out of business? >> wouldn't that be great. >> larry: it would be great not to perform radiology on people? >> it would be great to have cancer cured in a way that patients don't have to have surgical or radiological treatments. >> larry: are you more optimistic? >> i am because i'm more educated.

why go to a doctor and assess your opss? because you can assess the options. from that standpoint alone i'm more optimistic. >> larry: michael, your association was with finance. had you thought about cancer before you were told you had it? >> i had because my father and mother-in-law were diagnosed. ei began funding breast cancer in 1972. it is hard to think about 37 years later we are still funding it. i'm very optimistic, larry. i believe in the next five to ten years we will eliminate cancer. one in two women get cancer, one in three men. it is worth $50 trillion to the u.s. economy if we can eliminate cancer ah cause of death. >> larry: that is what we spend on cancer?

>> that is the economic effects. losing productivity. having one, arnold palmer and others as symbols, but their productivity for our society runs for decades. >> larry: do we know the cause, dr. rose? >> we know there are multiple causes of it. the trick is to figure out how to reverse that and that's what much research -- >> larry: we don't know the cause of prostate cancer? >> well, there are some suggestions it has something to do with obesity. it has something to do with genet genetics. >> larry: do we know why more blacks have a problem than whites. >> no, we don't. it is a question as to how much of that is genetic and how much is economics for people who are disadvantaged and aren't able to get the treatments or don't go to have the treatments. it is very important that african-americans particularly get the blood test and get it earlier and not be afraid.

it does appear stage for stage when the disease is found early it is equally curable in caucasians and african-americans. >> can i say one thing. i have six kids. i watch more and more where there are options for them to sit on their rear ends without being active. if there is one thing is people to be more healthy and active. i can't imagine that wouldn't be a great help in all forms of cancer. joe talked about the stress he was under. i think they are discouraged doing things from more than ever. hey, kids, don't watch tv. okay. i'll turn on a movie. i'll go on the computer. it is crazy. >> just the remote control. i'm sure larry and i remember when we had to get up to change the channel. >> larry: people had to get up. >> yeah. i remember that. >> thank you all. thanks to joe torre. let me repeat the num.