their turn and another turn for the first and last word in sunday talk. take care. >> larry: tonight, dermatologist to the stars was michael jackson's good friend and doctor. days after the la coroner's report was complete, his chief investigator was in the office begin. could klein face prosecution? and what about jackson's kids. first breaking news, reality tv contestant charged with murder. he vanished after her naked body

was found. >> we now have a warrant for the the arrest of ryan alexander jenkins. >> larry: we begin the night with new details. police are hunting for her ex-husband. and we learned that a press conference that it was apparently a gruesome crime. >> well, we have lots of guests joining us. we have the west coast editor of people.com. and in washington is pat brown. criminal profiler, founder and

ceo of the homicide exchange. what is this all about? >> what we have is a man who went from a man being a person of interest to a murdered suspect. this is probably the husband. he is a reality tv star. he is the one who reported her missing. police found a body about the same time and then they tried to find him and he was gone. >> reported by what? >> i think he called it into the police. and police found this nude body in a dumpster. they identified it as his wife. they wanted to talk to him. they couldn't find. >> larry: and she's the model. >> the body was. the man was from canada. they feared he was going flee to canada. >> larry: when you say reality tv star what does that mean? >> he is on the fringes of fame.

he is in this show called megan wants a millionaire. she tries to get these suitors to go after her but she only goes after millionaires. >> larry: how would he be one of those if he is married. >> that is one of the interesting twists. his friends didn't know he was married. >> larry: criminal profiler and, what is your early read on the early details of this? >> it was clear from the beginning when they found her body in a piece of luggage that we weren't dealing with a serial killer. so this is why he cut off her fingers and taking out her teeth. he thought he would get rid of all i.d. tack away her clothes, put her in the luggage and throw away

the body. he hoped the body would decompose and then realized he needed to get out of town. >> larry: and he is a suspect because he fled? >> absolutely. he goes and says look, she is -- i saw her take her suitcase. like the luggage she ended up with. i saw her take the suitcase out the door and went some place. if she just went some place, why is she reported. if she is leaving you, why do you think she is missing? the story from the get-go isn't good. megan said it on the show. he is a manipulator. he thought he was so smart he koul get away. he knows he has got to run. >> larry: beautiful girl. where you friends together as

youngsters? >> jaszmine was a dear friend of both of my sons. that's how i met her when she was 11 years old. >> you look young enough to be her sister. tell us about her? >> she was 28 years old. i met her when she was 11. i have been very close with her. she called me mommy. she was my daughter and i was her mother in every sense of the word. >> larry: when did she begin modelling? >> probably in her early 20s. after high school, she worked at shoppers corner which is a family owned business for 7 years she worked as a bank girl there and then worked as a crew member on a sailing char ining .

that is a 70 foot sailing yacht and she was really good at that job. >> larry: she didn't tell you they were married. >> she told me the day that they met. she called me the day after and she said mommy, i met the most perfect guy in the world and his name is ryan. she went on and on about ryan and how perfect he was chl that was all i knew. so ryan fly to north carolina for the services for her

grandma. >> larry: you never met ryan? >> i never met him. >> larry: so the marriage had to be recent? >> the marriage was according to the newspapers, the marriage was two days later, which shocked me. she never said a word to me. >> one of the witnesses was an employee of the chapel. and the marriage had a lot of problems from the very beginning. >> larry: like? >> he was arrested and charged with domestic assault. for hitting her and he was supposed to go on trial in december. >> larry: but apparently they

were still together. they still go through the case there is some indication of an assault case back in canada several years ago. and we just got a statement from the producers. we investigated this guy. obviously we didn't do a good job. >> larry: and investigators were back at the office of dr. arny klein. don't go away.

>> larry: joining us now is the orange county district attorney. he is in santa ana. is the husband the only suspect here, tony? >> yes, he is. there is no indication that anybody else might be involved. and he -- at this point he is a fugitive in a murder case. >> larry: $10 million bail? >> i think that is right. hopefully it is sufficient that he will not just get out.

>> it appears to be a a gruesome attempt to conceal her identity. there was a movie where that happened. maybe he got the idea there. >> larry: a wanted poster says he is armed and dangerous. >> we believe he is armed because there is a handgun missing from his apartment. it appears that he is armed and he is certainly dangerous because he is desperate. you know? he is a fungtive wanted for murder and he is tes prattly trying to get away from the authorities.

i would consider him to be very dangerous. if anybody is thinking about the possibility of hiding him out or helping him or something like that, understand that sit a very dangerous thing to do aside from being a crime. >> larry: do we know where she was killed? >> we don't know exactly where she was killed. could have been san diego. could have been on the way to orange county. we know for sure that she was dumped in orange county. >> larry: any motive? >> it appears to be domestic violence, the anger. somebody becoming angry. beating his wife and that turns into murder. >> global news anchor at point roberts washington. what's the interest in your state in this story, chris?

this is a little peninsula that peeks out, surrounded on all sides by water. that's how they believe ryan jenkins got here. they found his boat in the marina. the name, i don't know if your viewers can see it. the name of the boat is night ride her. that was collared by u.s. coast guard and towed away. you can bet it is getk fronzic examination. it's an interesting part of the country because it is the longest undefended border.

it would be easy to land a bode. >> larry: then what? would he rent a car or what? >> that is a matter of debate. you are only about a 4 minutes from vancouver. we learned today through a tip that ryans mother lives in the vancouver area. she has refused all efforts to get in touch with her so far. >> we will take a break with questions for each of our guests.

>> we have a question from each of our panelists. >> ryan jenkins is an animal. what he has done to jaszmine is unspeakable. >> you said jaszmine's grandmother died. did she have other relatives? >> her mother, and that's all the living blood relatives that i am aware of. >> larry: was she close to her mother? >> she was close to her mother as well but it was a different type of closeness. >> larry: where does her mother live?

>> santa cruz. >> larry: the type of death this is tells you what? >> he does not like someone to stand up to him. he expects his girl to do what he expects. when they find he is a rich guy, they go oh,my god. >> larry: what makes them a killer? >> if he did this -- commit this crime he is a psycho path. but at that moment when the girl wanted to leave and walk out of his life, he was enraged by that. that is a crime you would commit in the circumstances were right.

don't aid and abet. i think that warning was at the family. >> larry: tony rrks you working with canadian authorities? >> i want to say as far as aid and abet, that is very important not to take him in. if you see this guy he is dangerous and armed. go the authorities. right now there is only one count. >> chris are you in contact with canadian officials? >> yeah. and i will add to tony's comments there and maybe he can expand on them.

it is our understanding that paper work is being fast tracked right now. the only thing authorities could pick him up for is crossing the border illegally. >> we have paper work completed that should be with the canadian authorities first thing in the morning to allow them to make a provisional arrest on this murder charge. then they would hold him for extradition proceedings. lip mike, how big is this story going get? >> it started slowly and then it exploded. this is a guy was the base sis of a television show. now that all this is going on, people are fascinated. >> larry: and maybe a little frightened. >> very much so.

>> larry: we will stay on top of this. could klein face prosecution in his close pal's mistours death? ( revving, siren blares )

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tomorrow knight. sheer a quick reminder of some of the things said exclusivelily to us. >> you don't feel you have to take a dna test to prove anything? >> i don't care at this point. >> larry: are you surprised that dick was found in his home? >> i am very shocked by it. but i have to tell you that it is not something that would be unheard of. >> larry: the debbie rowe part of the story. she was your nurse? >> yes. >> larry: met in your office? >> yes. >> larry: was that a real love affair? >> i don't know what love is. that sense, the imagination. i think she loves him very much. she admired him very much. >> larry: let's clear up something. he was not someone desirous of being white? >> no. michael was black. he was very proud of his black heritage. >> larry: we'll have more excerpts of that interview later. now exclusively. we welcome to "larry king live"

garo ghazarian. longtime friend of dr. arnold klein. and richard charnley. the civil attorney for dr. klein. why does he need a criminal attorney? >> well, the same reason one needs an orthodontist. if somebody tells you your teeth are crooked, you go in -- >> larry: has someone told him he's a person of interest? >> well, apparently, you know, when the news media started producing reports that started painting a picture of him, his personal counsel, richard charnley, seated to my left, thought it would be appropriate to be brought into the picture. >> larry: why, richard? >> this is one of those stories that's been hard to get in front of. every day, we hear more and more comments about different people,

arnold klein's life has been examined as if he were running for political office. at some point in time, there was a line that was crossed. i called garo. >> larry: do you have fear then of a possible criminal charge? is that a fear? >> my job is to make sure that my client is absolutely and totally safe. i don't have fear of a criminal involvement here. garo can speak more of that. my job is to protect him at all cost. >> larry: are there civil questions coming? >> i think there's always civil questions. anybody can file a lawsuit. they can name any defendants they want to name in a case like this. i haven't seen anything which suggests that dr. klein has done anything inappropriate. >> larry: how's he doing? you know, since his appearance here, nobody's seen him. >> it's tough. as i'm sure you can imagine. he is one of the foremost dermatologists in the world. he's raised hundreds of millions of dollars for charity. he wants to practice medicine. and every time some new rumor pops up. the paparazzi is out in front of his office. it's making it hard for the people to come see him. >> larry: he'll come back here or not? >> i think one day he'd like to. >> larry: he enjoyed himself and he liked expressing himself.

>> arnold klein expresses himself as no one else can. >> larry: garo, last week, the l.a. coroner described his report on the death as thorough and comprehensive. he also said it was complete. yesterday his chief investigator was back at dr. klein's office with a subpoena. what do we make of that? >> well, you know, as a trial attorney, there's a very common saying. there's the closing argument you prepare to make, the one you make, and the one you think you should have made when you go home. i don't know what the coroner's office was thinking when they said they were done. but to put it in context without compromising the coroner's investigation, i did not see anything new that the coroner's office was looking for when they came -- >> larry: were you at the office -- >> yes, i was there. actually, i got a call from the coroner's office. actually, richard charnley got the call and he gave me the heads-up. >> larry: what were they looking for? >> they were not looking for

anything new except they were looking to corroborate what had already been provided to them by cross referencing reports with certain logs that are standard in the industry. >> larry: they can take his criminal records -- his medical records? >> those they had asked for, we have provided, yes. >> larry: so do you know what the coroner's going to say? >> i know what the coroner ought to say. >> larry: which is? >> which is dr. klein is not involved and is not culpable in any way, shape or form, as it relates to the passing of his dear friend. >> larry: have you spoken to the coroner? >> i have. the investigator, yes. >> larry: and? >> well, he is not -- he is not giving me any reason to believe otherwise. i have not seen any reason. mind you, mr. king, i've done extensive investigation. i have investigators of my own. i have a staff that i have put on this matter.

along with the assistance of the offices where richard charnley is. we have not uncovered anything that gives me cause for concern as far as the investigation that the coroner is conducting. >> larry: and you, richard? >> i think it's important to remember the coroner serves civil subpoenas. >> larry: he gives it over to the crime division? >> once a cause of death has been determined, perhaps, perhaps. as of this time, we've cooperated with the coroner's office. we've given the coroner's office everything they need. as a matter of fact, i got the call yesterday at 11:00. by 12:00, dr. klein's doors were open. the coroner came in without a subpoena this time. >> larry: is he continuing to practice? >> he is. he's an excellent physician. he's going to continue. >> larry: is he worried? >> worried about what? >> larry: something coming up that might harm him? >> i think his major concern at this point is being able to return to his practice, return to his calm, kind of hideaway life and practice medicine. that's what he does best better than anybody. >> larry: we'll be back with more. don't go away.

>> larry: we're back with garo ghazarian. he is the criminal attorney for michael jackson's longtime dermatologist and close friend dr. arnold klein and his civil attorney, richard charnley. there have been numerous stories alleging dr. klein prescribed huge quantities of drugs for michael jackson. i asked him specifically about pain medication when we spoke in july. watch. what about pain killing medications? did you prescribe any? >> i mean, i've used some sedatives when he had surgical procedures.

don't forget, he had a lot of -- he had the burn when he was burnt on the pepsi commercial. severe hair loss when he contracted lupus also. so when you have to fix all these area, you have -- if you took all the pills i'd giving him in last year at once, wouldn't do anything to you. >> larry: what was the strongest medication you gave him? >> on occasion, i gave him demerol to sedate him. that's about the strongest medicine i ever used. >> larry: richard, i had an attorney tell me that was a mistake of dr. klein to say he gave him any drug because the client/patient relationship remains even after death. >> well, you know, it's an interesting concept. years and years ago, dr. klein's records were picked up in connection with the michael

jackson matter. that happened again about five or six years ago in connection with the santa barbara issue. dr. klein isn't talking about anything that's not public. >> larry: i see. >> we have seen his records, by the way, end up on our desk in my office submitted to me by members of the media. everybody knows what's out there. dr. klein's simply commenting on the public record. >> larry: did he ever make out, to your knowledge, prescriptions for michael jackson using aliases? >> i haven't seen any scripts for michael jackson using aliases. none. >> larry: has the coroner's office spoken specifically to arnold? >> no. >> larry: do you expect them to? or might they? or they could? they can if they wish, right? >> they can if they wish. they haven't asked to yet. >> larry: concerning a crime, i'm a little puzzled. the alleged allegations about dr. conrad murray and the like. if i give a legal -- that drug supposedly given to michael used only for anesthesia, that's not a class-4 drug, right? that's a drug, a legal drug given in the hospitals. is it illegal to give it in the home? is it a crime to give it in the home? >> well, that's a very broad

question, mr. king. because without putting any more specifics into it, generally speaking, one might have a standard response, yes, that would be highly inappropriate. but i wasn't there. >> larry: this is a hypothetical. it's inappropriate? you can lose your license. but is it a crime? >> well, depend -- there's a lot that has been made about prescribing medication to individuals and whether or not it's appropriate. whether or not the person is an addict. whether or not the person requires that medication. what i would like to say about

that is we do not know -- i don't know, as i sit here, the exact condition mr. jackson was in which may or may not have necessitated what the doctor did. i'm not a physician. >> larry: in other words, something might have happened in the house that might have necessitated it? >> it may have. he and his counsel i'm sure can address that. >> larry: has dr. klein been questioned by the police? >> no. >> larry: any law enforcement authorities? >> no, he has not. >> larry: is there any criminal question you have a fear of? >> fear is not the correct characterization -- >> larry: concern? >> i always am -- excuse me. i'm always concerned, but it's a healthy concern. it would be foolish of me not to be concerned. but i have no cause for concern. no cause for concern borne out of my discussions that i've had thus far with law enforcement. i have had discussions -- excuse me -- as well as the coroner's office. mind you, there was a report i believe last friday that the dea was considering sanctions against my client. dea had not contacted my client. >> larry: you reached out to them? >> i did. i reached out. i reached out to the dea.

i got to the second in command to this -- in this region, very nice gentleman. i met with him. ultimately actually today along with the legal counsel and some investigators. and i left away from that meeting satisfied that they were doing their task and their task is a difficult one and they have a difficult task at hand -- >> larry: which is? >> their task is to gather information to see the facts and circumstances surrounding not my client but every individual who has come into contact, every physician who has come into contact with the deceased in this matter. they have every right to do that and they ought to do that. in the context of my client, i walked away not feeling concerned for any -- >> larry: they were not accusatory in any way, then? >> not in any way, shape or form. the way i interpreted their dialogue with me, i was there with my colleague. >> larry: has anybody in the family at all made any threats, civil, maybe, possible, maybe we're going to sue you for something?

>> nothing. nothing at all. people know where we are. we've reached out to the attorneys. the attorney for the estate. we've reached out to londell mcmillan who's the attorney for mrs. jackson. we've had e-mails with those firms. they know who we are. no contact. >> larry: how's arnold's mood? >> he's up and down. he is an indomitable spirit. and he's a pretty good guy. and at the end of the day, people are going to look back on arnold klein and they're going to smile. >> larry: do you think he might be a bit of a hero in this? >> well, let me put it this way, if he turns out to be a hero, he won't take the praise. >> larry: we'll be right back. don't go away. to wind myself up just to get out of bed. then...well... i have to keep winding myself up to deal with the sadness, the loss of interest, the trouble concentrating, the lack of energy. if depression is taking so much out of you,

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of michael jackson's children persist. i asked dr. klein whether he could be the biological father. watch. now, what about all the rumors about you and the fathering of those children? >> here is the most importan thing. michael loved those childrens a a father. that's the most important grouping there is. >> larry: that's not answering the question. >> because i'm not going to answer it the way you want me to answer it. >> larry: you can say no. >> i'll say no if that's what you want to hear. >> larry: i want to hear what you know. >> i hear what's most important about this whole thing to end this thing is the most important thing is who the father is is who the father is who the children want their father to

be, and i will tell you this. i will say no because the most important person for these children is how michael loved them and how he loved his children and how they loved him because they would never pass without saying i love you, daddy. he would say i love you. never seen such emotion -- >> earlier today you said you couldn't answer that one way or the other. >> i still can't answer it absolutely one way or the other. >> larry: that means you donated sperm? >> i once donated sperm. you have to know -- >> larry: you donated to him? >> no, absolutely not. >> larry: or you donated sperm to a sperm bank. >> to a sperm bank but i don't think i should go over my legal affairs. to the best of my knowledge, i'm not the father. >> larry: is he the father? >> it's factually and legally irrelevant in the state of california. >> the only time you ducked me tonight. thank you. michael moore has a new documentary. it opens october 2nd. we're going to have an exclusive sneak peek of it. you won't see this anywhere else, not even in theaters. back with michael moore's new movie preview next. want to live. the lifi fortunately, there's enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, fatigue, and stop joint damage.

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>> larry: michael moore has a new documentary called "capitalism: a love story." it opens in new york and l.a. september 23rd. opens wide october 2nd. the film will focus on the economy during the transition between the bush and obama administrations. michael has given this program an exclusive sneak peek of it. you won't see this anywhere else. the world premiere of the preview of "capitalism: a love story." >> this is michael moore, i'm here to make a citizens arrest of the board of directors of the aig. >> michael moore. >> white shirt, blue tie?

>> that's it. >> receding hairline. >> the guy who bought you bowling for columbine, farn hit fahrenheit 9/11, and sicko. >> they don't speak english. >> this fall the most feared filmmaker in america. >> can you tell me what a credit default swap is. >> will reveal what happens when wall street tanks. >> foreclosures. >> a global meltdown. >> and a government fails. >> by spending just a few million dollars to buy congress, wall street was given billions. >> the motion is adopted. >> you know michael moore is, don't you? the film director, he's filming me right now. >> how did this collapse happen. >> i got home on a friday, everything was just fine.

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