of confidence he's not going to do anything like this in the future. >> larry: we hope so. we wish you the best. thank you. time now for anderson cooper and "ac 360." tonight, a chance to weigh in on what you just seen. do you buy chris brown's apology? we'll be talking with denise brown, sister of nicole brown simpson. a new development that's bound to rock the case against jaycee dugard's captors and the question about the neighborhood where she was held. has it become a magnet for sex offenders? nancy garrido, wife of phillip garrido, now appears to be saying that she is one of the victims. that, even though she had sole control over jaycee back in 1993 when her husband was jailed for

parole violations. here again with the latest, dan simon at the gra reedo house. >> reporter: nancy garrido's attorneys made the rounds today and said she miss the two children fathered by phillip garrido with the victim and that she considered all of them as family. he also seems to be providing the frame work for a defense. he used the word "victim" when describing her and also said she seemed or at least suggested she was powerless to do anything about it, do anything about what was happening in this house behind me. this is how he characterized her state of mind. take a listen. >> when i talked to her, i would say that he was distraught, frightened, appeared to be a little lost. i would describe her like a ship without a rutter. she's concerned. >> reporter: well, the district attorney distached a former

federal prosecutor to provide some background on case law. greg scott serving sort of as a spokesperson for the d.a. to handle all of the media requests. he explained why prosecutors believe that nancy garrido se cally culpable. >> obviously, in a physical sense, the woman cannot rape another woman, a child, a girl. but she can, in a criminal sense, assist, facilitate, make that rape possible. and i don't want to get into the particulars of what her conduct may have been, but if she was aiding and abetting, if she was assisting in his abduction and then subsequent rapes of the young girl, then she is criminally culpable for those acts. >> it seems that garrido had a lot of sex offenders live there, it turns out. >> reporter: yeah, there are a

up the of sex offenders in this area. as a matter of fact, if you went to a sex offender registry data base and typed in the zip code of this area, you would see about 100 different names and authorities confirm it's a very high number for this region. as a matter of fact, just within walking distance from where i'm standing, there are four sex offenders. experts say the reasons people come out here, it's because it's isolated and also, the laws. laws that prevent sex offenders from going near children, such as schools, churches and parks. so another dimension to this story, a lot of sex offenders leaving here in this region of about i don't think. >> dan, thanks for that. 101 in the garrido's neighborhood, about 1,700 in the county. the sheriff department saying they have 350 offenders to watch, but only a single deputy to do it. one of the facts coming to light as we look at a photo of the garridos back in '88.

phillip garrido just out of prison with the woman who is claiming victimhood. let's go to lisa bloom and joan peter silia. lisa, can nancy garrido be characterized as a victim or accomplice and would calling herself a victim be a viable legal defense? >> it's certainly the only defense she's got. she's caught red handed with phillip garrido having all those kids in the house and jaycee dugard was kidnapped 18 years ago. so far we haven't heard enough to give rise to the insanity defense. that's a very high legal standard. that's a standard that she could not conform her conduct to the law, she had amential illness so bad she didn't know right from wrong. given the labyrinth in the back of the house and the scheme that went on day after day for 18 years to keep these children hidden from everybody else, it would be hard for her attorney

to argue she was incapable of forming her conduct to the law. i think that's going to be a stretch at trial. >> joan, here nancy garrido was allegedly committing these crimes with her husband and playing the role as primary captor when her husband was in jail. how unusual is that? >> it's quite unusual for men to act in concert with men, but not unusual for sexual predators as stushled as this man to take a wife or a female accomplice, victimize them and have them become part of the overall crime. so that isn't that unusual. >> is her argument you think of being a victim in this made weaker by the fact that she married the guy when he was already in prison for a rape that she committed? >> well, certainly. she cannot argue ignorance of his criminal past. she met him actually while she was visiting prison.

so they have a history of a criminal past together. and i think the fact that she -- she moved out there with him, she clearly knew that he was being drug tested, he was registering as a sex offender, he was on parole. he didn't have the condition of not associating with children, however, as part of his parole. and i think that's what people sometimes don't understand. his prior crimes did not involve children. so the parole agents were really not looking out for children, and when he told them that in fact these were his children, it kind of made sense. he had the wife, he had the children. you know, part of what you spoke about at the start is kind of how sex offenders are having to move out to these very kind of rural areas. >> i want to get to more of that. we got to take a quick break. you can join the live chat as well at ac360.com. breaking news on health

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nancy garrido's attorney portraying his client as a victim. that may explain what nancy garrido is going to tell the jury when asked why she didn't let jaycee dugard go. talking brain washing and why the neighborhood draws so many sex offender. back with lisa bloom and joan peter sillia. if nancy testified, she could handed a more lenient sentence. do you expect the prosecution to go that route? >> i don't, anderson. you're right. that is the way the prosecutors usually proceed. if you have two co-defendants, get one the flip against the other one. but with the level of public outrage, the fact that they caught this couple red headed with the girls, i don't think there is much of a defense available. i think if they gave a deal to either of these two that was anything but less than life, there would be such a huge cry.

>> remember the case of the woman with that guy and she was -- joel steinberg. she ended up, i can't remember what sentence, if she got any sentence, but she ended up saying she was a victim of him. >> she did, and that was a flashpoint for a lot of people. joel steinberg was ended up convicted of killing his daughter. i liken this to the manson family. they were in a cult, they were in this cult-like worship for manson. even 40 years later, they can't get parole with the argument that i too was a victim. juries and parole boards are notoriously unreceptive to that argument. if you are a grown person, you're in control of your faculties, you're expected not to harm others. it's one thing for a woman to take up with a man, we feel sorry for her, if they put themselves in an abusive

relationship. but when they fail to protect children, all bets are off and people are usually very unreceptive. >> why do so many sex offenders seem to be going to antioch, california? >> there's three reasons. one is, the law says they cannot live within 2,000 feet of a school, park or any area where children congregate. so they have to move out to these rural area where is there are few schools, few parks. the second reason is that this is a suburb of san francisco. the rents are high, sex offenders often don't have jobs. so he needed a place that was cheap and this particular area, many, many houses are in foreclosures, landlords are looking very much to rent to anyone, sex offenders are a great population. most other landlords won't rent to them. >> what more needs to be done? this guy was doing by law everything that he had to do,

talking to his parole officer, wear thing bracelet. what more needs to be done? >> it shows that the law cannot protect us from somebody like him. we have 63,000 sex offenders on megan's law. we need to get that down to about the 3,000 to 6,000 that are high-risk violent. and then we need to do everything we possibly can, gps, drug testing, daily visits, unannounced home visits, visits to their families. right now, we have too many people labeled sex offenders. >> and with phillip garrido, he was sentenced to 50 years. if he had stayed in for half that, none of that would have happened. there's no cure. there's no way to solve this problem except to keep offenders behind bars. there's no other way we know of. yes, it's expensive and our prisons are overcrowded. but the recidivism rate is sky high. they have to remain behind bars. >> thank you very much. up next, what president

obama might be ready to drop from health care reform bill. is the public option no longer an option? a late report on that. later, michael jackson finally is going to be laid to rest. the details of tomorrow's private ceremony.

breaking news to tell you about tonight. with president obama getting ready to sell his health care ajenldz aye next week, cnn

obtained what could be a key piece of his position. namely his fallback. what he's willing to give up, and as you'll see, it's a biggy. ed, what do we know? >> it's interesting, two sources are telling us that the president and his top aides in the last week or so have started having behind the scenes very intense talks with moderate republican senator olympia snow of maine. they're trying to come together on a deal much more scaled back, maybe in the neighborhood of $500 billion instead of a trillion dollars. most importantly, drop the public option. instead, it would what they call a trigger that the insurance companies would have a couple of years to institute these reforms. if they don't, the trigger would step in and they would have a government-run option of health care. the key here and the whole point is if the president can get something that he can call bipartisan with each just one republican senator, he can reach

out to conservative democrats and the blue dogs and say we've dropped the public option as a first resort. you should come onboard here and he could possibly get a deal. the problem is liberal democrats may be irate and feel that the president gave away the store here to get something he could call bipartisan. >> is there no way he can just do this with democrats? >> it seems even with democratic only votes it's going to be difficult. some of the conservative democrats, they're very concerned about the public option. they think it's an overreach right now. you mentioned the president is going to be give thing big speech next wednesday in primetime. he's already put so much political capital into this. he's rolling the dice even more by really raising the stakes with that speech next week. what i'm hearing from top add visors to the president is they realize he's committed so much he cannot afford a loss. it would be devastating to his presidency, let alone to the health reform issue itself,

which he considers critical. so they're willing to scale this back, if they have to, so they can call something a win and tell the liberal democrats look, the president has a few more years in office. we can try to finish the job next year. but something is better than nothing. >> obviously, there are probably some republicans who will cast this as a loss for the president, as a victory for them. >> when you talk to top aides to the president, they say that's a lot of washington back and forth, but at the end of the day the president will say did he get a health reform bill. if he gets by, the white house will cast that as a victory and say it's better than nothing. but the president has still taken a lot of hits during this debate, and a victory is still far off. it's not clear tonight at all. >> so it's not a done deal, this decision? >> no, with olympia snow, it's not a done deal but it's

intensified and they may be closer to a deal. that's because she's really the last of the so-called gang of six senators. she's the last republican in there that seems to be having an open door to the white house. the other two republicans have criticized the president. they say they're still at the table, but they've been hitting the president hard. she may be the last republican. >> thank you very much. coming up, chris brown in his own words. why he beat former girlfriend rihanna. at least what he would say about it, which wasn't much. will he hit her again? all of those comments. denise brown, sister of nicole brown simpson wapgs in. first erica hill joins us. firefighters continue to battle the blaze ravaging southern california tonight while investigators work to determine the cause. with the wildfire now 22% contained, officials did rule today the fire was man made. whether or not it was started accidently or if this is a case of arson is still unknown. ins erupting last week, that

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president obama has a new problem in the war in afghanistan tonight, public opinion. a new poll shows 57% against the war, up 11% from april. and the new numbers come with the new all-time high in casualties. at least 47 u.s. troops died in afghanistan in august, making it the deadliest month since the battle began eight years ago. the u.s. commander on the front line said it's time for a different approach to the fighting and a majority of americans calling for troops to come home. joining us now senior political analyst david gergen and michael ware. michael, general stanley mccrystal submitted a report assessing the situation. it's not public but sources say he's calling for a change in

strategy. do you think it's going to be more troop increases, would that help? >> well, certainly more troops are needed. it's very difficult for these american generals to try and fight this war with their hands tied behind their back politically. we all know how sensitive troop numbers are. no one wants 68,000 troops to be here, let alone 80,000 troops or more. so no one is rushing to be troops here. but the way america is set up to fight this battle as it stands in afghanistan, it can't win. so some kind of change is needed, anderson. >> david gergen, are you concerned are you about the situation on the ground there? >> well, i'm not as concerned as those are as the democratic party. that poll showing 57% americans opposed to that. among democrats, that number is

73%. so you've got a lot of democrats to president obama's left who would like to pull out. there are even some conservatives like george will who called for pulling a plug on afghanistan. but the president has said this is a war of necessity. necessity, and he said during the campaign we had to win it. for him to pull the plug at this stage, just as michael says we are already starting to change strategy, we are moving toward a counterinsurgency strategy. we knew we were going to get a lot more casualties at this time. to pull the plug now i think the president would get clobbered from a lot of people to his right, and the u.s. military would be really, really angry at him if he pulled the plug at this point. >> michael, are we seeing an uptick in the casualties because the u.s. is on the offensive against the taliban, there's more engagements or is it also the taliban tactics are

evolving, they're becoming more efficient, more deadly using ieds, using suicide attacks? >> well, unfortunately it's both, anderson. i mean, you've seen the taliban here. it is an evolving enemy. it is a constantly changing insurgency in tactics in style and number. that's classic guerrilla warfare. as the conventional forces like the u.s. or the british do something, the taliban sits back, watches and formulates its response. we saw that happen with this mass save offensive that's become president obama's war here in southern afghanistan. there we're seeing a great focus of american troops, more soldiers dying than we've seen before, a lot of that happening there, focusing on one small area of a very big picture. so it's a matter of both things unfortunately. an evolving enemy and more engagement from american troops.

>> david, these stories now of widespread vote rigging in favor of president karzai, that does not help president obama in terms of trying to sell this as a war of necessity. >> that's absolutely right, anderson. it's really added to the burden of the u.s. military, because basic to the strategy of counterinsurgency that general patreus brought to this just as he brought to iraq is that you need to get more security for the people of the country and have a central government that is trusted. the amount of fraud in these elections could delegitimize the karzai government and that makes it much more complicated for the u.s. anderson, i might add in terms of what the president may decide to do, there is a good deal of speculation right now fueled by a report in "the los angeles times" that what is being considered is increasing the number of u.s. combat troops by

14,000, 15,000 but reduce the number of american supply troops and to replace them with private contractors. we already have more contractor there is than soldiers. that would be a major shift in the way we do things. >> already more contractors serving there than any previous war. david gergen, thanks. michael ware, see you next week. a shocking report of booze, brawls and prostitutes as a compound for contractors. the evidence is undeniable. photos of drunken contractors partying in what one group called a "lord of the flies" environment, secretary of state hillary clinton ordered an investigation into the private company responsible for u.s. embassy security. tom foreman takes us up close. >> reporter: in a summer of growing attacks near the kabul embassy and growing fatalities

among american troops, these pictures, private embassy security guards holding what appear to be wild, half naked drinking parties while off duty. hugely inflammatory in a muslim country. the independent watch dog group, pogo, says the photos came from guards who say supervisors pressured others to join in. >> if they don't engage, they hold it against them. >> reporter: the guards are employed by armor group under a $190 million state department contract, which has been under fire. >> at times, the security of the u.s. embassy in kabul may have been placed at rest. >> reporter: at a hearing in june, there was a list of concerns made.

>> reporter: one inspection found 18 absent from their post. the state department said in june it was working on the problem, and -- >> at no time was the security of american personnel at the u.s. embassy compromised. >> reporter: but p.o.g.o. says these pictures were taken last month. so a state department delegation will soon head over to investigate. >> it's clear there were some things going on in kabul, which we were not aware of. but frankly we should have been aware of them. >> reporter: at this point, however, that may not be enough. senator mccaskill clearly wants full disclosure, wants to know why the state department defended the company in front of her committee, despite all these problems. cnn has reached out to officials asking them to explain these photos. so far they have not. anderson? >> hard to explain. i'll be in afghanistan next week with michael ware and dr. sanjay

gupta to see firsthand what is going on. join us for a "360" in afghanistan live from the battle zone starting monday september 7th. >> >> coming up next, chris brown speaking out in an interview about the night he attacked rihanna. although he didn't say much. we'll talk to denise brown, sister of nicole brown simpson about domestic violence. if you have a question, text it. also tonight, trading organs for cash. tonight, how one such story ended in strategy. hey buddy, i appreciate the ride, you know. no problem. ♪ mind if i take a shortcut? yeah, sure. ♪ i knew the subaru legacy was the smart choice... what i didn't expect... was the fun. the all-new subaru legacy. feel the love.

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as well. here's chris brown in his own words. >> larry: what do you think caused you to be violent? you have to think about it. we all think about ourselves. why did i lose my temper, why did i get angry over this? >> just in relationships in general, there's chances where you lose your temper, arguments get heated or whatever the case may be. i'm not saying domestic violence is a part of a relationship, i feel like we're young, we're both young. nobody taught us how to love one another. nobody taught us a book on how to control our emotions and anger. it's like i'm not trying to fall on the fact that i'm young. i'm just saying there's a lot of stuff i wish i could have changed. >> larry: you punched her a number of times, you threatened to beat the blank out of her. when you got home, also you said you were going to kill her.

you bit her on the ear. you hear all that, obviously you don't feel like a violent person? >> no. >> larry: you appear rather calm, rather nice. so what happened to you, do you think? >> well, larry, i guess that night, a night i wish i could take back and i really regret and i feel totally ashamed for what i did. >> larry: never happened to you before? >> no. >> larry: later in february, you and rihanna were photographed together. how did that come about? >> it was like a romeo and juliette story. that's the main reason i was on the jet ski. i got a lot of flak from that. people were saying why is he acting like no care in the world? >> larry: did she ever say to

you, why did you do that? >> no. >> that's chris brown. sadly, their case is not unique. one in four women will be victims of domestic violence. denise brown is the sister of nicole brown simpson. after her sister's murder, she became a leading activist. she joins us now with the president of the center for advancement of women. denise, what did you make of it? on our blog, a lot of people saying they didn't buy his story and he seemed unwilling to go into any detail about what he actually did. >> you know, i really truly wish he would have gone into some detail so he could explain to teenage boys how he felt, what was going through his mind, why he did that. because we all know that people have choices. and he chose to hit her. he chose to beat her. you know, it was really when i heard the mother say, you know, i don't buy like the cycle of violence.

the cycle of violence is -- it's called that for a reason and it's about power and control and about verbal, emotional, psychological abuse that escalates, and then there's the honeymoon phase. i even found out tonight that his mother was in a violent relationship, and chris saw it when he was younger. so here you continue the cycle of violence. and then he goes to say that, you know, we just, you know, i don't remember. and i just sit there and go, what do you mean, how can you not remember when you see this picture of this poor woman whose face has been so brutally, you know, beaten? it's like how can you not remember unless you were on drugs, unless you were high as a kite, and you were totally out of it. that's the only reason you don't remember something like this. >> he said he didn't want to talk about details out of respect for rihanna. and he also denied that there were two prior incidents of

violence. he says he has no knowledge of them. >> it's a matter of who said and what he said and what someone else said. >> what did you make of him tonight on the show? >> i think he's really very much trying to rehabilitate his image. he's been given a fairly stringent sentence. he has not been incarcerated, but he is -- and he's paid an enormous price in his professional life for what he has done. but i think it's important, the point that denise made in terms of the cycle of violence that starts in the home. don't forget, these are kids, they were in their late teens. we treat this as though it's an intimate partner situation between married couples, but they're not. and the incidents of domestic violence among add less sense is growing.

and how do we begin to stop the cycle of stalking with cell phones, the use of the internet, to abuse women and to create emotional violence against young women. >> denise, we have a question from a viewer who wants to know decides physical abuse, what other types of abuse are there? >> there's verbal, psychological, sexual, financial. you know, there's of course the beating which everybody knows about. victims of domestic violence that i've come in contact with over the last 15 years since nicole was murdered, they all say that the verbal, emotional and psychological abuse is what stays with them a lifetime, because the beatings, the bruises go away. it's those putdowns, that chipping away at someone's self-esteem that stays with them. they don't forget that. >> this is the point that i think is an excellent point that denise has made. our research found that women said the psychological abuse is

far more damaging. yeah, we don't as a society intervene until a woman has been physically abused and usually that is at the time a homicide has been perpetrated. so we really have to really elevate the bar in which society takes these situations very seriously, because they do escalate to a very tragic level. >> a lot of people saying this was a missed opportunity for chris brown. if he's trying to rehabilitate his image and his lawyers thought putting him out there would be good for him, that it's a missed opportunity for him to kind of talk to young people, as fay said, if violence is increasing among young couples in their teens and 20s, this seemed to have been a missed tumtd. >> i totally agree. i think they're right on the money. what we need to do is get a lot more education and a lot more awareness out there to the communities. i think that human beings, like human life is not even worth

anything anymore in our stoooci, which is sad. we have to educate them that they have choices to hit or not to hit. this is actually, it's everybody in society that needs to step up to the plate and say hey, domestic violence is wrong. hitting is wrong. verbally abusing somebody is wrong and we need to make that choice whether we're going to do it or not. >> i think that also is a rule that applies to women. women being verbally and physically abusive. we're talking about human relationships which there should not be psychological or physical violence. >> we're going to have to leave it there. thank you. good discussion. coming up next, kidneys for cash. you're going to meet a man who sells organs for a living. brokering deals that can turn deadly. michael jackson laid to rest, his burial tomorrow. we have a preview tonight of the events. we'll be right back. he ran off with his secretary! she's 23 years old!

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tonight, our global investigation into the selling of organs for transplant continues. drew griffin has the details in this exclusive report. >> reporter: in this tel aviv hospital room, you can see how desperate some israelis are for kidneys. ricky shea's mother is nearly unresponsive, blind. her diabetes showily killing her. she's been on a national waiting kidney list for years. sitting beside her, shea's father, also a diabetic, who decided not to wait for a kidney of his own and took matters into his own hands. >> my father didn't want to be like my mother.

>> reporter: so in april, he cut a deal with a man who dies and sells kidneys. a kidney broker who, for $100,000, promised new life. the brokeer? >> yes. she he's a killer. he went to him and suggested for two days he become a new man. come with me, two days, pay $100,000. >> reporter: come with me? >> to china. >> reporter: once in china, she says her father was taken to a rural hospital. a teenage girl was waiting there. the broker paying $5,000 for the kidney that would go to him. the surgery went poorly. shea captured these images on her phone of her father and what she described as a filthy hospital. the donor, shea says, died after surgery. no one knows why.

>> she was 18 years. she was just a child. and i didn't understood that they give him $5,000 for kidney. she died. >> reporter: the broker has yet to face sanctioned. until last year, the transaction was not only legal, but some insurance companies paid. nancy hughes studies the organ trade and says israel has become a ground zero for both legal and illegal transactions. hughes said as medicine mastered the kidney transplant, the number of transplants grew. >> there's a belief not only is it better than dialysis, but you want a living donor. >> reporter: this israeli kidney broker insists he operates

legally because he no longer finds kidneys for clients but lets clients finds his own. he says israelis have a phrase they don't like to "weaken their own." so when his own mother needed a kidney, she would not consider the one her son wanted to give her. your mother wouldn't dare take a kidney from her son? >> yes. >> reporter: but she would take a kidney from a person she will never know in china? >> yes. what's so strange about that? >> reporter: it says that the rich person has more of a right to their health and their life than the poor person. >> this is reality. this is how it happens. >> reporter: his experience, finding a kidney for his mom in china, was so easy, he went into the business him soefl, making $5,000 a deal. he says he's arranged for nearly 220 transplants, profiting more

than $1 million. the new israeli law banning brokering of kidneys has made it trickier but says if a patient arrives at his door with a donor claiming to be a relative, he can easily send them overseas, no questions asked. are they really relatives? >> i don't know. i don't care. i don't deal with that. >> reporter: and in israel, relatives are relatively easy to find. especially when you have poor immigrants arriving in quick need of cash and patients willing to pay. brokers can have these newly acquainted family members on an operating table anywhere in the world within weeks. ricky shea says in the search of a new kidney, her father lost $100,000 of borrowed money, his pride, and like his donor, is now losing his life. his new kidney is failing. >> my family is breaking. >> reporter: the family is breaking. but shea says she has no doubt

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split the bill. they didn't object to it, so they will be footing the bill for it. michael jackson will finally be laid to rest. as you said, 10:00 eastern tomorrow night, a private service just for close friends and family at the great moss leeium. few details coming out, but gladys knight will be performing. she apparently knew michael jackson when she was a young boy. >> where are you going to be tomorrow night during all this? >> reporter: well, the media won't be allowed inside, so we'll be at the main gate. i'm told these are the largest brought iron gates in the world. we won't have any aerials for you because it's a no-fly zone overherd during the service. >> so we know what this is like inside? >> reporter: it's beautiful. 20-foot high archways, 11

levels. it's fool of mazes, and jackson's crypt is supposed to be right under a massive stain glassed window known as the last supper window. there are some pictures on that on the website. and this is really a re-creation of leonardo da vinci's masterpiece. michael jackson reportedly commissioned his own last supper painting. >> randi, he's going to be inside this crypt. how private is that crypt? can anyone from the general public go see it? >> reporter: no it's actually very secure, which may be where the family decided to bury michael jackson there. you have to get a pass key to get through the place. we talked to a man that's been inside and he said there are crypt keepers inside who keep

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tonight, a chance to weigh in on what you just seen. do you buy chris brown's apology? we'll be talking with denise brown, sister of nicole brown simpson. that is coming up. a new development that's bound to rock the case against jaycee dugard's captors and the question about the neighborhood where she was held for 18 years.

has it become a magnet for sex offenders? the new development -- nancy garrido, wife of phillip garrido, now appears to be saying through her attorney that she is one of the victims. that, even though she had sole control over jaycee back in 1993 when her husband was jailed for parole violations. it is hard to fathom, as so much of this case is. here again with the latest, dan simon at the garrido house. dan? >> reporter: nancy garrido's attorneys made the rounds today on all the morning shows and said that she miss the two children fathered by phillip garrido with the victim and that she considered all of them as family. he also seems to be providing the frame work for a defense. he used the word "victim" when describing her and also said she seemed or at least suggested she was powerless to do anything about it, do anything about what was happening in this house behind me. this is how he characterized her state of mind. take a listen.

>> when i talked to her, i would say that he was distraught, frightened, appeared to be a little lost. i would describe her like a ship without a rutter. she was -- she's concerned. >> reporter: well, the district attorney dispatched a former federal prosecutor to provide some background on case law. greg scott serving sort of as a spokesperson for the d.a. to handle all of the media requests. he explained why prosecutors believe that nancy garrido is equally culpable. >> obviously, in a physical sense, the woman cannot rape another woman, a child, a girl. but she can, in a criminal sense, assist, facilitate, make that rape possible. and i don't want to get into the particulars of what her conduct may have been, but if she was

aiding and abetting, if she was assisting in his abduction and then subsequent rapes of the young girl, then she is criminally culpable for those acts. >> dan, you spent a lot of time in that neighborhood. it seems that garrido had a lot of company. a lot of sex offenders live there, it turns out. >> reporter: yeah, there are a a tun of sex offenders in this area. as a matter of fact, if you went to a sex offender registry data base and typed in the zip code of this area, you would see about 100 different names and authorities confirm it's a very high number for this region. as a matter of fact, just within walking distance from where i'm standing, there are four sex offenders. experts say the reasons people come out here, it's because it's isolated and also, the laws. laws that prevent sex offenders from going near children, such as schools, churches and parks. so another dimension to this story, a lot of sex offenders living here in this region of

antioch. >> dan, thanks for that. 101 in the garrido's neighborhood, about 1,700 in the county. one official, the local sheriff department saying they have 350 offenders to watch, but only a single deputy to do it. just one of the facts coming to light as we look at a photo of the garridos back in 1988. phillip garrido just out of prison with the woman who is claiming victimhood. and kinship with the kids. let's go to lisa bloom and joan peter silia. lisa, can nancy garrido be characterized as a victim or accomplice and would calling herself a victim be a viable legal defense? >> it's certainly the only defense she's got. she's caught red handed with phillip garrido having all those kids in the house and jaycee dugard clearly was kidnapped 18 years ago at the age of 11. all the attorney can claim is that she's mentally ill. so far we haven't heard enough

to give rise to the insanity defense. that's a very high legal standard, anderson. that's a standard that she could not conform her conduct to the law, she had a mental illness so bad she didn't know right from wrong. given the labyrinth in the back of the house and the scheme that went on day after day for 18 years to keep these children hidden from everybody else, it would be hard for her attorney to argue she was incapable of confirming her conduct to the law. i think that's going to be a stretch at trial. >> joan, the perception is sexual predators act alone. here nancy garrido was allegedly committing these crimes with her husband and playing the role as primary captor when her husband was in jail. how unusual is that? >> it's quite unusual for men to act in concert with men, but not unusual for sexual predators as disturbed as this man to take a wife or a female accomplice, victimize them and have them become part of the overall crime.

so that isn't that unusual. >> is her argument you think of being a victim in this made weaker by the fact that she married this guy when he was already in prison for a rape that he committed? >> well, certainly. she cannot argue ignorance of his criminal past. or his proclivitations. she met him actually while she was visiting prison. so they have a history of a criminal past together. and i think the fact that she -- she moved out there with him, she clearly knew that he was being drug tested, he was registering as a sex offender, he was on parole. he didn't have the condition of not associating with children, however, as part of his parole. and i think that's what people sometimes don't understand. his prior crimes did not involve children. so the parole agents were really not looking out for children, and when he told them that in fact these were his children, it kind of made sense. he had the wife, he had the children.

you know, part of what you spoke about at the start is kind of how sex offenders are having to move out to these very kind of rural areas. >> i want to get to more of that. we got to take a quick break. stay with us. we'll talk to you after the break. you can join the live chat as well at ac360.com. breaking news on health care. what is president obama willing to give up to pass health reform? is he ready to ditch what many consider the center piece of it? breaking news on that. you heard what chris brown told larry king what he did to rihanna. you've seen the shocking photos of her injuries. do you buy his apology? did he say enough? text us your questions for nicole simpson's sister denise. as always, standard rates apply. i don't think you can live the american lifestyle without energy. we have all this energy here in the u.s.

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nancy garrido's attorney portraying his client as a victim. that may explain what nancy garrido is going to tell the jury when asked why she didn't let jaycee dugard go. when she had the chance more than 15 years ago. when her husband was in prison. we're talking brainwashing, and why the neighborhood draws so many sex offenders. back with lisa bloom and joan peter silia. if she testifies against her husband, in theory, she could be handed a more lenient sentence. do you expect the prosecution to go that route? >> i don't, anderson. you're right. that is the way the prosecutors usually proceed. if you have two co-defendants, get one to flip against the other one. but with the level of public outrage in this case, the fact that they've caught this couple red handed with the girls in the backyard, i don't think there is much of a defense available. i think if they gave a deal to either of these two that was anything but less than life, there would be such a huge cry. they would never hear the end of it. so i don't expect any kind of

deal. >> remember the case of the woman with that guy and she was -- joel steinberg. she ended up, i can't remember what sentence, if she got any sentence, but she ended up saying she was a victim of him. >> she did, and that was a flashpoint for a lot of people. joel steinberg ended up convicted of killing his daughter. i liken this to the manson women. these were young women, they were in a cult, they were in this cult-like worship for manson. look at it now. even 40 years later, they can't get parole with the argument that i too was a victim. juries and parole boards are notoriously unreceptive to that kind of an argument. if you are a grown person, you're in control of your faculties, you're expected not to harm others. it's one thing for a woman to take up with a man, we feel sorry for her, if they put themselves in an abusive relationship.

but when they expose children to danger, they fail to protect children, all bets are off and people are usually very unreceptive to the victim argument. >> why do so many sex offenders seem to be going to antioch, california? more than 100 registered sex offenders there. why is it such a magnet? >> there's three reasons. one is, the law says they cannot live within 2,000 feet of a school, park or any area where children congregate. so they have to move out to these rural areas where there are few schools, few parks. the second reason is that this is a suburb of san francisco. the rents are high, sex offenders often don't have jobs. so he needed a place that was cheap and this particular area, many, many houses are in foreclosures, landlords are looking very much to rent to anyone, sex offenders are a great population. most other landlords won't rent to them. >> what more needs to be done? this guy clearly slipped through

the cracks. this guy was doing by law everything that he had to do, talking to his parole officer, wear thing bracelet. what more needs to be done? >> it shows that the law cannot protect us from somebody like him. we have 63,000 sex offenders on megan's law. we need to get that down to about the 3,000 to 6,000 that are high-risk violent. and then we need to do everything we possibly can, gps, drug testing, daily visits, unannounced home visits, visits to their families. right now none of that happens. we've got too many people labeled sex offenders. >> and with phillip garrido, he was sentenced to 50 years. if he had stayed in for half that, none of this would have happened. he only served 20% of his cure. there's no cure. there's no way to solve this problem except to keep offenders behind bars. there's no other way we know of. yes, it's expensive and our prisons are overcrowded. but when talking about sex offenders, the recidivism right is sky high. they have to remain behind bars. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. up next, what president

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breaking news to tell you about tonight. with president obama getting ready to sell his health care agenda to a joint session of congress next week, cnn has obtained what could be a key piece of his negotiating position, namely his fallback. what he's willing to give up, and as you'll see, it's a biggy. ed, what do we know? >> it's interesting, two sources are telling us that the president and his top aides in the last week or so have started having behind the scenes very intense talks with moderate republican senator olympia snow of maine. what they're talking about is trying to come together on a deal much more scaled back than

the president has been talking about. maybe in the neighborhood of $500 billion instead of a trillion dollars. insurance reforms, basic insurance reforms. most importantly, drop the public option. instead, it would what they call a trigger that the insurance companies would have a couple of years to institute these reforms. if they don't, the trigger would step in and they would have a government-run option of health care. the key here and the whole point is if the president can get something that he can call bipartisan with each just one republican senator, he can reach out to conservative democrats and the blue dogs and say we've dropped the public option as a first resort. you should come onboard here and he could possibly get a deal. the problem is liberal democrats especially in theous may be irate and feel that the president gave away the store here to get something he could call bipartisan. >> is there no way he can just do this with democrats? >> it seems even with democratic only votes it's going to be difficult. some of the conservative democrats in the senate, people

like ben nelson, they're very concerned about the public option. they think it's an overreach right now. you mentioned the president is going to be give thing big speech next wednesday in primetime. he's already put so much political capital into this. he's rolling the dice even more by really raising the stakes with that speech next week. what i'm hearing from top advisors to the president is they realize he's committed so much he cannot afford a loss. it would be devastating to his presidency, let alone to the health reform issue itself, which he considers critical. so they're willing to scale this back, if they have to, so they can call something a win and tell the liberal democrats look, the president has a few more years in office. we can come back next year and we can try to finish the job next year. but something is better than nothing. we'll see if liberal also accept that. >> obviously, there are probably some republicans who will cast this as a loss for the president, as a victory for them. >> they certainly will. when you talk to top aides to the president, they say that's a lot of washington back and

forth, but at the end of the day the people will say the president got a health reform bill. if he gets by, the white house will cast that as a victory and say it's better than nothing. but the president has still taken a lot of hits during this debate, and a victory is still far off. it's not clear tonight at all. >> so it's not a done deal, this decision? >> no. with olympia snow, it's not a done deal but it's intensified and they may be closer to a deal. and there's a key part there. that's because she's really the last of the so-called gang of six senators. there's three republicans, three democrats. she's the last republican in there that seems to be having an open door to the white house. the other two republicans have criticized the president. they say they're still at the table, but they've been hitting the president hard. a lot of bad will there. she may be the last republican. >> thank you very much. coming up, chris brown in his own words. why he beat former girlfriend rihanna.

at least what he would say about it, which wasn't much. will he hit her again? all of those comments. denise brown, sister of nicole brown simpson weighs in. first erica hill joins us. with a "360" bulletin. firefighters continue to battle the blaze ravaging southern california tonight while investigators work to determine the cause. with the wildfire now 22% contained, officials did rule today the fire was man made. whether or not it was started accidently or if this is a case of arson is still unknown. since erupting last week, that fire has destroyed more than five dozen homes, killed two firefighters and forced thousands to flee from their homes. "the new york times" releasing part of ted kennedy's memoirs. it is scheduled for release september 14th, but in the excerpts, the senator writes of being haunted by the 1969 car accident that killed a woman, calling his actions inexcusable. he endorses the warren commission's findings, writing

he was satisfied then, and satisfied now. senator kennedy is now buried near his two brothers at arlington national cemetery. the fcc was faulted for failing to detect madoff's ponzi scheme. the commission's inspector general sites more than ample evidence, including six complaints that should have alerted investigators. madoff was convicted of fraud and sentenced to 150 years in june. and diane sawyer will replace charlie gibson when he retires at the end of the year. sawyer takes the chair in january and becomes only the second woman after katie couric to be the solo host of a network evening news cast. until then, she'll continue on "good morning america." >> we wish her and charlie well indeed. up next, chris brown talks to larry king about what he did to rihanna, sort of. do you buy his apology? judge for yourself. we'll show you what he said. text us your questions as well.

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approach to the fighting and a majority of americans calling for the troops to come home. joining us now, senior political analyst david gergen and michael ware. michael, general stanley mccrystal submitted a report assessing the situation. it's not public but sources say he's calling for a change in strategy. do you think it's going to be more troop increases, would that help? >> well, certainly more troops are needed. it's very difficult for these american generals to try and fight this war with their hands tied behind their back politically. we all know how sensitive troop numbers are. no one wants 68,000 troops to be here by the end of the year, let alone 80,000 or more. whatever it might take. so no one is rushing to be troops here. but the way america is set up to fight this battle as it stands in afghanistan, it can't win.

so some kind of change is needed, anderson. >> david gergen, how concerned are you about the situation on the ground there? >> well, i'm not as concerned as those are as the democratic party. that poll showing 57% americans opposed to this. among democrats, that number is 73%. in the cnn poll. so you've got a lot of democrats to president obama's left who would like to pull out. there are even some conservatives like george will who called for pulling a plug on afghanistan. but the president has said this is a war of necessity. necessity, and he said during the campaign we had to win it. for him to pull the plug at this stage, just as michael says we are already starting to change strategy, we are moving toward a counterinsurgency strategy. we knew we were going to get a lot more casualties at this time. it was all intentional to soften up the taliban. to pull the plug now i think the president would get clobbered

from a lot of people to his right, and the u.s. military would be really, really angry at him if he pulled the plug at this point. >> michael, are we seeing an uptick in the casualties because the u.s. is on the offensive against the taliban, there's more engagements or is it also the taliban tactics are evolving, they're becoming more efficient, more deadly using ieds, using suicide attacks? >> well, unfortunately it's both, anderson. i mean, you've seen the taliban here. it is an evolving enemy. it is a constantly changing insurgency in tactics in style and number. that's classic guerrilla warfare. as the conventional forces like the u.s. or the british do something, the taliban sits back, watches and formulates its response. we saw that happen with this massive offensive that's become president obama's war

here in southern afghanistan. there we're seeing a great focus of american troops, more soldiers dying than we've seen before, a lot of that happening there, focusing on one small area of a very big picture. so it's a matter of both things unfortunately. an evolving enemy and more engagement from american troops. >> david, these stories now of widespread vote rigging in favor of president karzai, that does not help president obama in terms of trying to sell this as a war of necessity. >> that's absolutely right, anderson. it's really added to the burden of the u.s. military, because basic to the strategy of counterinsurgency that general patreus brought to this just as he brought to iraq is that you need to get more security for the people of the country and have a central government that is trusted. the amount of fraud in these elections could delegitimize the karzai government and that makes

it much more complicated for the u.s. anderson, i might add in terms of what the president may decide to do, there is a good deal of speculation right now fueled by a report in "the los angeles times" that what is being considered is increasing the number of u.s. combat troops by 14,000, 15,000 but reduce the number of american supply troops the non-combat troops and to replace them with private contractors. we already have more contractors there than we have soldiers. that would be a major shift in the way we do things. >> already more contractors serving there than any previous war in u.s. history. we got to leave it there. david gergen, thanks. michael ware, see you next week. i'll be in afghanistan next week with michael ware and dr. sanjay gupta to see what is going on. join us for a "360" in afghanistan live from the battle zone starting monday, september th. coming up, chris brown

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chris brown barely said a word when he was convicted and sentenced for assaulting his ex-girlfriend, the singer rihanna. but tonight, brown spoke to cnn

in an exclusive interview. he was given probation on the attack on rihanna. he repeatedly punched her head, bit her ear and threatened to kill her. why did he do it? is he sorry and what message does he have for fans and rihanna? brown had some surprising answers tonight and non-answers as well. here's chris brown in his own words. >> larry: what do you think caused you to be violent? you have to think about it. we all think about ourselves. why did i lose my temper, why did i get angry over this? >> just in relationships in general, there's chances where you lose your temper, arguments get heated or whatever the case may be. i'm not saying domestic violence is a part of a relationship, i feel like we're young, we're both young. nobody taught us how to love one another. nobody taught us a book on how to control our emotions and anger. it's like i'm not trying to fall

on the fact that i'm young. i'm just saying there's a lot of stuff i wish i could have changed. >> larry: you punched her a number of times, you threatened to beat the blank out of her. when you got home, also you said you were going to kill her. you bit her on the ear. you hear all that, obviously you don't appear like a violent person. >> no. >> larry: you appear rather calm, rather nice. so what happened to you, do you think? >> well, larry, i guess that night, a night i wish i could take back and i really regret and i feel totally ashamed for what i did. >> larry: never happened to you before? >> no. >> larry: later in february, you and rihanna were photographed together jet skiing and relaxing at the home of shawn diddy combs. how did that come about? >> it was like a romeo and juliette story.

we just wanted to -- that's the main reason i was on the jet ski. i got a lot of flak from that. a lot of people were like why is he acting like there's no care in the world? because i was rekindling my relationship with my friend. >> larry: did you rekindle it? >> at the time, yes. >> larry: did she ever say to you, why did you do that? >> no. >> that's chris brown. he battered rihanna. sadly, their case is not unique. one in four women will be victims of domestic violence. denise brown is the sister of nicole brown simpson. after her sister's murder, she became a leading activist. in the fight against domestic violence. she joins us now with the president of the center for advancement of women. denise, what did you make of it? on our blog, a lot of people saying they didn't buy his story and he seemed unwilling to go into any detail about what he actually did. >> you know, i really truly wish he would have gone into some detail so he could explain to teenage boys how he felt, what

was going through his mind, why he did that. because we all know that people have choices. and he chose to hit her. he chose to beat her. you know, it was really when i heard the mother say, you know, i don't buy like the cycle of violence. the cycle of violence is -- it's called that for a reason and it's about power and control and about verbal, emotional, psychological abuse that kaes late -- escalates into physical violence, and then there's the honeymoon phase. i even found out tonight that his mother was in a violent relationship, and chris saw it when he was younger. so here you continue the cycle of violence. and then he goes to say that, you know, we just, you know, i don't remember. and i just sit there and go, wait a minute. what do you mean, how can you not remember when you see this picture of this poor woman whose face has been so brutally, you know, beaten? it's like how can you not remember unless you were on drugs, unless you were high as a kite, and you were totally out

of it. that's the only reason you don't remember something like this. >> he said he didn't want to talk about details out of respect for rihanna. and he also denied that there were two prior incidents of violence. he says he has no knowledge of them. >> it's a matter of who said and what he said and what someone else said. >> what did you make of him tonight on the show? >> what i made of him is i think he's really very much trying to rehabilitate his image. he's been given a fairly stringent sentence. he has not been incarcerated, but he is -- and he's paid an enormous price in his professional life for what he has done. but i think it's important, the point that denise made in terms of the cycle of violence that starts in the home. don't forget, these are kids, they were in their late teens. we treat this as though it's an intimate partner situation

between married couples, but they're not. and the incidents of domestic violence among adolescence is growing. and it's a really emerging epidemic about which all parents should be concerned about in terms of how to we begin to stop the cycle of stalking with cell phones, the use of the internet, to abuse women and to create emotional violence against young women. >> denise, we have a question from a viewer who wants to know besides physical abuse, what other types of abuse are there? >> there's verbal, emotional, psychological, sexual, there's financial. you know, there's of course the beating which everybody knows about. victims of domestic violence that i've come in contact with over the last 15 years since nicole was murdered, they all say that the verbal, emotional and psychological abuse is what stays with them a lifetime, because the beatings, the bruises go away.

it's those putdowns, that chipping away at someone's self-esteem that stays with them. they don't forget that. >> this is the point that i think is an excellent point that denise has made. our research found that women said the psychological abuse is far more damaging. yeah, we don't as a society intervene until a woman has been physically abused and usually that is at the time a homicide has been perpetrated. so we really have to really elevate the bar in which society takes these situations very seriously, because they do escalate to a very tragic level. >> a lot of people saying this was a missed opportunity for chris brown. if he's trying to rehabilitate his image and his lawyers thought putting him out there would be good for him, that it's a missed opportunity for him to kind of talk to young people, as fay said, if violence is increasing among young couples in their teens and 20s, this

seemed to have been a missed opportunity. >> i totally agree. i think they're right on the money. what we need to do is get a lot more education and a lot more awareness out there to the communities. i think that human beings, like human life is not even worth anything anymore in our society, which is sad. we need to tell people that -- educate them that they have choices to hit or not to hit. this is actually, it's everybody in society that needs to step up to the plate and say hey, domestic violence is wrong. hitting is wrong. verbally abusing somebody is wrong and we need to make that choice whether we're going to do it or not. >> i think that also is a rule that applies to women. women being verbally and physically abusive. >> it eye -- applies to everybody. we're talking about human relationships which there should not be psychological or physical violence. >> we're going to have to leave it there. thank you. good discussion.

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hospital room, you can see how desperate some israelis are for kidneys. ricky shea's mother is nearly unresponsive, blind. her diabetes slowly killing her. she's been on a national waiting kidney list for years. sitting beside her, shea's father, also a diabetic, who decided not to wait for a kidney of his own and took matters into his own hands. >> my father didn't want to be like my mother. >> reporter: so in april, he cut a deal with a man who buys and sells kidneys. a kidney broker who, for $100,000, promised new life. the broker? >> yes. the broker. he's a killer. he went to him and suggested for two days he become a new man. come with me, two days, pay $100,000.

>> reporter: come with me? >> to china. >> reporter: once in china, she says her father was taken to a rural hospital. a teenage girl was waiting there. the broker paying $5,000 for the kidney that would go to him. the surgery went poorly. shea captured these images on her phone of her father and what she described as a filthy hospital. the donor, shea says, died after surgery. no one knows why. >> she was 18 years. she was just a child. and i didn't understood that they give him $5,000 for kidney. she died. >> reporter: the broker has yet to face any sanctions. until last year, the transaction was not only legal in israel, but some state sponsored health insurance actually paid. nancy hughes studies the organ trade and says israel has become a ground zero for both legal and

illegal transactions. hughes said as medicine mastered the science of kidney transplant, the number of procedures grew. but in israel, so too did the belief the best way to treat kidney disease was to find a new one. >> there's a belief not only is is transplant better than dialysis, but you want a living donor because it's better than a kidney on ice or a kidney under a truck. >> reporter: this israeli kidney broker insists he operates legally because he no longer finds kidneys for clients but lets clients find their own. but he still wants his face hidden. he says israelis have a phrase they don't like to "weaken their own." so when his own mother needed a kidney, she would not consider the one her son wanted to give her. your mother wouldn't dare take a kidney from her son? >> yes. >> reporter: but she would take a kidney from a person she will never know in china? >> yes. what's so strange about that?

>> reporter: it says that the rich person has more of a right to their health and their life than the poor person. >> this is reality. this is how it happens. >> reporter: his experience, finding a kidney for his mom in china, was so easy, he went into the business himself, making $5,000 a deal. he says he's arranged for nearly 220 transplants, profiting more than $1 million. the new israeli law banning brokering of kidneys has made it trickier but says if a patient arrives at his door with a donor claiming to be a relative, he can easily send them overseas, no questions asked. are they really relatives? >> i don't know. i don't care. i don't deal with that. >> reporter: and in israel, relatives are relatively easy to find. especially when you have poor immigrants arriving in quick need of cash and patients

willing to pay. brokers can have these newly acquainted family members on an operating table anywhere in the world within weeks. ricky shea says in the search of a new kidney, her father lost $100,000 of borrowed money, his pride, and like his donor, is now losing his life. his new kidney is failing. >> my family is breaking. >> reporter: the family is breaking. but shea says she has no doubt the organ broker is still in business. drew griffin, cnn, tel aviv. >> our series on the e less it organ trade continues tomorrow night. donors left with major health problems. that's tomorrow on "360." coming up next, tomorrow's funeral for michael jackson. we're back with a live preview.

more than two-minutes since his death and five days of what would have been his 50th birthday, michael jackson will be laid tomorrow. it's at 10:00 p.m. eastern. we're covering it live as much as we can. from what we're called it's an extraordinary ceremony and what should we expect? randi kaye is in l.a. with the details. >> reporter: anderson there,s

with was a hearing this morning and michael jackson's estate dealers will be footing the bill. they actually didn't object to it. michael jackson will finally be laid to arrest at 10:00 easterntime at the great maus e mausole mausoleum, very few turning out but gladys knight will be performing at the burial service and apparently knew michael jackson when he was a young boy. >> where will you be during all this? >> reporter: the media won't be allowed inside but outside at the iron gate. the largest in the world there. will be a production crew getting video of family and friends arriving. we won't have any aerials for you because it's a no-fly zone overhead during that burial service. >> do we know what that mausoleum is like inside? >> reporter: we do.

it's absolutely beautiful with 20 foot archways. marble inside, 11 levels and full of mazes. and jackson's crypt is supposed to be right under a massive stained glass window known as the last supper window. there were pictures. this is a recreation of leonardo da vinci's masterpiece. michael jackson reportedly commissioned his own last supper painting to hang over his bed at neverland ranch. >> that does not surprise me. he will be inside this crypt. how private is that crypt? can anyone from the general public go and see it? >> reporter: no. it's actually a very secure mausoleum, which may be why they decided to bury michael jackson there. you have to in many areas get a passkey to get through this mausoleum. visitors can see the short supper film but as far as they can get. we talked to a man inside where there are crypt keep ers inside

where people that don't own property or shouldn't be inside, keep them out there. are plenty of security cameras or guards, called crypt keepers to keep the public out. general public cannot get there. >> following stories tonight, erica hill has that. hurricane he jimena lit baha today. it was the region's tourist hot spot. no injuries have been reported. it spared the tourist hot spot. >> the mogul, donald trump was said to personally select the finalists. they said any suggestion the pageant is rigged is utterly false and misleading. >> coming up. the shot is next. take a look at this thing. what is it?

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