right signs. >> larry: so you have not? >> no, i have not. >> larry: thank you, debra. and 40 years later, our condolences. >> thank you. >> larry: debra tate. ac 360 is next. ac 360 is next. good night. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening, everyone. thanks for joining us. tonight, breaking news, a major development in the georgia killing rampage that left eight people dead. the young man who made that anguished 911 call, this young man you see that he come home to find his entire family had been wiped out. well, he tonight is under arrest, charged with their murders. details are just ahead. but first, we want to concentrate on the growing pressure on president obama with your children stuck in the cross-fire. the president talking to kids on the first day back to school may not seem all that controversial on the surface. plenty of past presidents, both

republican and democrat have done it without causing much fuss. but not this president and not this time. that's because this time some school districts are refusing to carry the president's speech. some parents now plan to keep their children home from school on that day. it turns out there's a lot of fear out there, and some people believer teaching materials justify that fear. tom foreman takes a look at both the fear and the facts. >> reporter: call it a fast lesson in public pushback. the president's plan to speak to school kids tuesday has some conservative parents say he's trying to brainwash their kids into buying his politics. >> thinking about my kids in school, having to listen to that just really upsets me. >> politics are totally up to the family. >> i don't know. right now i would say no. i will keep them home. >> reporter: across the country many school districts are

encouraging students to watch. in new orleans it will be required. but that's an exception. in virtually every state at least some schools have decided to either not show the speech, review it first, or make viewing optional. some cite schedule conflicts and technical difficulties, but this was not what the white house expected. the president's speech will focus on keeping kids in school, a subject he's promoted before. >> unfortunately, nearly 30% of u.s. high school students aren't making it to graduation. >> reporter: but the core complaint seems to be with supplementary teaching materials. originally they called for students to write, quote, what they can do to help the president. the white house has since changed that, suggesting the children now write about their own educational goals. furthermore, the text of the president's speech will now be put online monday so any teacher, parent, or politician can preview what's going to be

said. plenty seem fine with that, including the national president of the pta. >> we have an opportunity here in the united states for parents, teachers, and students to take part in a tremendous civic lesson. >> reporter: still, just like the crowds at all those town hall meetings, others are far less satisfied. >> my rights as a parent are being circumvented. >> reporter: they clearly resent the notion that they are unfairly questioning the president's motives. >> education matters. and what you do today and what you don't do can change your future. >> reporter: after all, they point out when the first president bush spoke to school kids on tv in 1991, top democrats called that just political advertising on the taxpayer's dime. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> going to talk strategy now

with political contributor and democratic strategist james carville. good to have you both with us. tony, there is this very growing passionate conservative outcry against the planned speech. what exactly is the issue with the president's planned speech? >> i think this is an example of an unforced era by the white house staff. every president has certain vulnerabilities that you should avoid. i worked for reagan. president obama has certain images, hillary clinton talked about it, "saturday night live" talked about it during the campaign. a smart staff would avoid playing into that. >> wait, give me specifics, though. you are not telling me specifically what the vulnerabilities are. >> sure. the cult stuff that's been talked about by a lot of people. why would they send instruction

to students, little kids around the country, to explain how the president inspires them. that plays into that fear and concern and a large part of the public has responded with deep concern. >> is the issue then not necessarily the speech, but the issue is more with the lesson plan? >> well, i think yes, that's the white house admitted in the language and changed it. i think that was what sparked the concern. obviously presidents have spoken to students on a regular basis. reagan did, bush did. there's nothing wrong with that. but i think it was the lesson plan. when we started seeing the things asking our kids to start asking him how does he inspire you. >> they were talking about how did that speech inspire you. >> if you are white house staff, you don't want -- >> let's ask james about that. tony is saying the white house staff was kind of stupid with what they did. did the white house not think it through initially? so how would you answer that question if i was asking you? join the live blog.

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our conversation and the controversy over president obama's planned back to school speech next week continues. the white house calling the concern over speech to students silly. many conservatives are taking this very serious. some parents, you even saw the tears there earlier, promising to keep the children home from school on the day of the speech. before the break i was talking strategy and i asked james whether the white house had failed to anticipate the potential for political controversy. here's the rest of our conversation. did the white house not think it through initially? >> i'm not sure, but i think it came out of the department of education and i think they were talking about in terms of it, as i understand it it was like personal responsibility, being studious or something like that. the truth of the matter is if you have people in this country who don't believe obama was born in the united states. there are people in this country that believe that the earth is 5,000 years old. there's nothing that you can do about that. you have to live with it. you have to go on.

this is a man that's sort of a testament to what education can do for somebody. his mother read to him at 4:30 in the morning. he is a highly educated person. he can talk to kids. he can, might be able to connect with a lot of kids. do that, and if you feel compelled to keep your kid out of school, it is a free country, keep your kid out of school. but you cannot run a country based on creationismists. >> tony, in terms of keeping kids home from school, do you think it is a good idea? and if you are, what should the lesson be that parents are giving their children that day? >> i think every parent has to make their own decision as to what they want to do. keeping your kid out of school and on the first day is a big deal. on the other hand, a parent has a right to protect their children from anything they don't want to have. and sometimes parents keep them from sex education and other

stuff. that's a family's decision. it's not mine and it's not the government's. >> james, would it be easier, the white house has it will release a copy of the speech online monday so parents can review it ahead of time. >> i think they are. >> they are. but should they have done it sooner, say yesterday? >> look, in retrospect, you should have anticipated, again, this is a country that people believe that, these people believe obama wasn't born in the united states. they believe the earth is 5,000 years old. a parent has every right to take their kid to the creation museum in kentucky. this is something that we have got to live with, the united states, and i guess administration saw this coming and hindsight, this, that, that's fine. people have a right to keep their children home. but i think we would be better off if we sort of believed in what back for it and we had some kind of appreciation of what the scientific method was in this

country. >> i only have 15 seconds on this last one for both of you. james, i will start with you. is this growing political divide getting to be too much? is it something that can be overcome at this point? >> i don't know, it's pretty rough out there. look, i think the president is going to have to, you know, that is his kind of thing when he came in as a unity, community democrat and everybody saids it just the clintons that made all these republicans nutty, but it looks like maybe they were just that way from the start. >> i will let you respond to that. >> i know james, james, if he was runing this operation for his president, they wouldn't have done this stunt. but the fact is obama had a tremendous opportunity when he came in as a president, in seven months they have thrown it away. he is now just another president, another politician. that's another example of sloppiness on the part of his

staff. >> so you don't think we can overcome that divide? >> no. somebody will. >> we will be watching to see who it might be. tony and steve, it's good to have you both with us. thank you. when we come back, the breaking news tonight, he called 911 to tell the operator he found his whole family dead. now guy heinze jr. is charged with those murders. authorities in georgia speaking out. just ahead the evidence that led to his arrest. later we are back on the fire lines in southern california. alf. ( chirp ) team three, boathouse? ( chirp ) oh yeah-- his and hers. - ( crowd gasping ) - ( chirp ) van gogh? ( chirp ) even steven. - ( chirp ) mansion. - ( chirp ) good to go. ( grunts ) timber! ( chirp ) boss? what do we do with the shih-tzu? - ( crowd gasps ) - ( chirp ) joint custody. - phew! - announcer: get work done now. communicate in less than a second with nextel direct connect. only on the now network. deaf, hard of hearing and people with speech disabilities access www.sprintrelay.com.

breaking news out of georgia tonight where a man is under arrest. 22-year-old guy heinze jr. who faces eight counts of murder. seven of the victims are related to him. the eighth was a family friend.

it happened last weekend and its a suspect himself who related police to his horror. listen to his call. >> >> a chilling call which authorities now believe was made by a killer. shawn caleb joining us from brunswick, georgia on the latest in the arrest. shawn, hello. >> it has been a simply a shocking development. throughout the week people wondered out loud if indeed guy heinze jr. could be involved in this. he was arrested almost immediately after authorities arrived. he was charged with tampering with evidence, lying to varyi s investigators. his bond was set at only $20,000. when the chief of police here

came out just a short while ago and announced there was a significant break in the case, it certainly sent shock waves to the small coastal areas. the chief said throughout the week heinze jr. wasn't officially a suspect until some significant information came to light. here's what the chief said just about one hour ago. >> very late this afternoon, two pieces of information came forward to us. we took those two pieces of information, compared it to the whole of all the evidence collected all week long. we were satisfied that that led us to believe that guy heinze jr. is the responsible person for the murders. >> really want to point out chief doering was extremely tight lipped and said very little at the news conference. he wouldn't talk specifically about what this new information was. he wouldn't discuss whether he had a motive, wouldn't discuss whether there could have been more than one person involved. i want to show you some very

sobering, very somber pictures. look at this. sen caskets in one room, seven of the eight people brutally murdered in a mobile home park. we spoke with a family earlier today and they actually invited us to take these pictures. they wanted the community to see what was at stake. they said, quote, we want this monster out there arrested. at the time the brother-in-law said he had no reason to believe at all that heinze jr. could be involved in this. erica, i really want to stress this. think about this, there was a father, four children there were heinze' relatives as well as guy heinze sr. he was accused of killing five family members as well as three others and there is a 3-year-old child clinging to life this evening who remains on life support. >> it's incredible to see that visual. i know you mention police have been tight lipped. you have been there since earlier in the week. they were saying they really wanted to catch somebody. people were living in fear. what has it been like there?

>> first we had the 911 call and heinze jr. was arrested and face those three charges. i spoke with his attorney ron harrison on the phone. he denied guy heinze jr. had anything at all to do with the murder. tuesday bond was set, $20,000. not a high bond. not the kind of bond you keep for someone who theoretically could have committed eight murders. i spoke with the family just a little on thursday. then interviewed them friday. it has been brutal for that family, as you can imagine. the mother of the four children is basically in shock. been very difficult. they actually found out that heinze jr. had been arrested at the viewing this evening. the funeral was slated for tomorrow. some horrific news. then this bombshell coming, heinze jr. had been arrested. this after the family said we have no reason to believe he was connected with this at all. >> just when you can't get any worse for that family, can't imagine what they are feeling

tonight. just ahead, arson now blamed in a deadly california wildfire. a homicide investigation now launched after the deaths of two fire fighters. tonight we take you on that hunt for the killer. tom foreman joins us first for the 360 news and business bulletin. >> the august job reports is in. economic signals are mixed, at best. the unemployment rate jumped to the 26-year high. 9.7%. compared to 270,000 in july. vice president biden today insisted the numbers are still too high. >> now, i want to be clear about something. less bad is not good. that's not how president obama and i measure success. we are not going to be satisfied any more than the governor is or anybody else is until we start adding not losing thousands of jobs per month. but one of the tools to get us on that point is the recovery

act. >> libya admits pressuring british officials to release the locker by bomber. he said he wanted the terrorist included in a prisoner release deal tied to trade deals between the two countries. but he said britain refused. diagnosed with terminal cancer, released last month to a hero's welcome. not the last we will hear from that, we are sure. and it's a boy. the panda cub born at the san diego zoo nearly a month ago was examined it's first time weighing in at 2.8 pounds. the yet to be named cub is described as healthy and, quote, very rolly polly. >> i think that's what you want in your panda baby, right? >> any ideas for a name? >> what about tom? >> tom is not bad. i think i would go with barney frank. >> i'm sure he would appreciate that. we will talk about that on the blog.

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they gave their lives trying to save others. today the two humans who died battling the deadly wildfire in southern california lay to rest.

memorial services will be held next weekend. their deaths had been ruled a homicide at this point and officials believe a wildfire north of los angeles which has destroyed nearly 150,000 acres and dozens of home was deliberately set. also late word tonight that governor arnold schwarzenegger is offering a reward to find the culprit. >> reporter: erica, this is now an arson investigation. officials not giving many more details than that. with this fire being fought on so many fronts, it's not as fire fighters need any more reminders of how serious this situation is. earlier today they got one. the remains of a fallen fire fighter are driven past colleagues. his death and that of another fire fighter means the biggest wildfire is now a homicide case. investigators are now calling this arson.

the incident commander adds another phrase. >> for any act of arson in the wild, it is domestic terrorism. that's my personal opinion. it affects communities, citizen, fire fighters. >> reporter: this could be ground zero. mile marker 29 in the national forest. roped off with red flags carefully placed. veteran investigators tell us it's likely they believe this is the point of origin. officials are not commenting on a los angeles times report that incendiary material was found here. a former fire chief who's investigated thousands of wildfires all over the u.s. says it could be a range of thins. >> probably they either found the match that was left there, the lighter that was left there, the incendiary device that was left there, the road flare that was used to start this fire. >> reporter: steve takes us

through the csi of wildfire investigations, clues he says are everywhere. >> paper on the ground like this also becomes good indicators. >> reporter: these he says are indicators of the direction the fire burned in at the point of origin. an investigator on scene elaborates. >> indicators can be things such as burned rocks. it can be soil that's been damaged. >> reporter: he says while these clues reveal the direction, arson is something on the ground to confession. another key question. >> in a territory that is the size of a major city, burned acreage for as far as the eye can see, not only finding that point of origin, but determining that it's arson really fairly quickly in a manner of a few days, how do they get to that point in just a few days? >> each fire is a little bit different, but the things that we use are early on aerial photographs, sometimes satellite

photographs, witness statements, the fire fighters that first arrived, they will know what the area involved was at the time they arrived. >> reporter: with both methods he says you can narrow down the point of origin to an acre or less, maybe even a man made object like this burned out bottle. they comb through the scene with everything from sifters to dogs and, of course, look for witnesses. >> thanks. you can share your thoughts on this story. logon to ac360.com. still ahead, a possible new strategy by president obama and health care. is this all too little too late? allegations a doctor is preying on the poor and illiterate desperate for just one thing -- their kidneys. more when we continue. ( revving, siren blares )

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the health care battle heating up once begun tonight as president obama krs drafting his

own formal health care bill. the administration now promising to lay out in, quote, understandable, clear terms exactly what it is looking for. the details to be unveiled to a joint session of congress next week. ed henry joins us with more. there is a little more coming out of the white house about what these plans for health care reform might be. >> we are learning some new information tonight. as you know for months the president has been resisting unveiling his own health care plan. sources are telling cnn tonight people inside the white house are now talking about drafting a legislative plan of their own as sort of a contingency plan in case a deal on capitol hill falls through. it's obviously very difficult to get something through right now. in fact, my colleagues have heard as well that the president could send such a plan to the hill sometime after next wednesday's speech to a joint session of congress. a white house spokesman stressed

to me tonight that while the president has looked at various proposals that are floating around, no final decision has been made on whether to send a formal legislative proposal. so it could be just principles they send to the hill, but we are hearing that they are considering now sending a full legislative plan. finally, the key is going to be what's in this. what we are hearing that the president's top aides are very deep into investigations with senator snow. she is sort of the last hope regarding getting a republican to sign on what they call a bipartisan bill. the key is will not be a public option and this trigger mechanism that if insurance companies don't make the changes they promise to make, then the public option will be triggered as sort of a fall back. >> we want to dig deep other

that. david, when you look at that trigger option, is that enough to break this impact over health care reform, and is it a smart way to do it? >> on the surface, no, erica, but we will have to wait and see who is willing to compromise, who is willing to bend. the dilemma is the public option essentially as you know calls for setting up a u.s. government health insurance corporation that would compete with private health insurers. there is strong support for that because they think it will bring down prices, it will introduce more competition. the president's problem is that 60 members of the house have signed a letter saying they will not vote for a bill in effect that does not have a robust public option. they don't want to trigger it. goes into effect right away. without them you can't get a bill through the house as nancy

pelosi said last night. on the other hand, a bill that does contain a robust public option looks like right now it will not get through the senate. will not get enough votes among senate democrats to get through. so the president has got a dilemma on his hands. i think his problem is going to be how does he -- i think what he needs to do before his speech, if i may say so, is see if he can't get a negotiated deal before the speech not to take sides in the speech because if he does that, one side may be disappointed and may attack whatever his speech is on wednesday night. >> how much are you hearing about that speech? is this address to congress really going to be more of a sales pitch or an attempt to embarrass members of congress into acting? >> i think he's tried the sales pitch over and over again, speeches across the country, and hasn't necessarily worked. i think david is absolutely right what their hope is and it's just a hope now is that they can get a deal with someone like olympia snowe before the speech.

they don't want to raise expectation, so they are sort of caught here. david is right, you can't really get a public option through the senate right now. you can't get conservative democrats on board. what i'm hearing the latest iteration of this, some advisors to the president saying what he's likely to do is tell liberals in the house, let's get as much as we can now and get it later. get as much as you can now. >> david, would that have been a stronger step from the beginning to go with baby steps, see what we can do now. seems like this effort to ram everything through at once, a, it's not working and, b, it seems to really hurt the president politically. >> that's a very good question, erica. i think we are going to have a lot of post mortems when this is all over, if the president gets a watered down deal, which is i think the best he is going to get out of this right now. the landscape changes for health care reform. it did for the clintons and has for president obama. what he could have gotten three

months ago is -- he probably could have gotten a better deal three months ago than now. the way this has unfolded with opinions souring, he's still got a lot of people for it, but he's got a lot more people against it now. he would be better off cutting a deal three months ago and then taking it to the country. he might have gotten public support behind it. this process has been so messy and chaotic in addition to sort of having this big liberal bill coming through the house that i think the whole thing sort of crater on him. wednesday night is critical, but he's got to get a negotiation, if he can, before wednesday night. >> and everyone will be watching. i have a feeling we will be discussing it with both you gentlemen. always good to talk to you both. up next, preying on the poor to harvest kidneys. desperate for cash and duped into giving up body parts. plus, the fight for afghanistan, increase in insurgent violence and debate

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our week long series on the harvests of humor began organs. the donors, many of whom

desperate for money lured, and in return are promised much but left with emotional and physical scars that will never heal. >> reporter: it was centered in northern israel where prosecutors allege a broker and a doctor treated the harvesting of kidneys like picking parts from used cars. >> the object was the kidney. in order to get the object, you needed the person and you needed to traffic him in order to do that. >> one of the prosecutors was able to shut down a human trafficking ring to send all jews and their owners to an israel doctor to broker. the allegation, that they preyed on illiterate, poor and desperate people to get their kidneys. >> basically these two men were trafficking humans like used

cars, and using those cars, those people, for their spare parts. >> exactly. and once the kidney was gone, so did the responsibility. no medical care, no one took care of them. as i mentioned before, we had the one victim that took out by himself his own stitches with a kitchen knife. >> reporter: the other prosecutor in this case says the victims were lured in by newspaper ads like this one published two years ago. the ads were placed in arabic speaking newspapers. unemployment here is extremely high. the education level is low. the perfect place to find people desperate to sell just about anything, including their kidneys. he's taking us to the village where a teenager was talked into, duped, really, into giving a kidney to somebody in the ukraine.

>> they don't know yet what happened. >> reporter: this is one of those victims. he said he's embarrassed, still hurting. once inside away from the neighbors, he showed us the awful reminder of what happened. and he still is tired. still is week. he feels like he's a half human being. >> reporter: he was promised $7,000 for his kidney. he was given roughly half. then the broker began deducting expenses, meals he was given and lodging. in the end he sold his kidney for nearly nothing. prosecutors say the ring preyed on people just like this man, illiterate, destitute, one victim, a single, divorced woman living in a muslim culture. >> you have two kids, you are divorced and you are coming from a very, very poor family in a very, very poor village, in the

end, you are the best prey. >> reporter: prosecutors won their convictions on evidence from just five cases. but they believe the ring has been going on perhaps for years. its victims now too scared, too ashamed to admit they bear the scar of work in trafficking. drew griffin, cnn, nazareth. >> it is a crime to buy or sell an organ for transplant in the u.s. some say that policy should change. this woman received a kidney from a woman in 2006. also is a psychiatrist. on the opposite side, dr. danvich is a professor. he's also on the board of the national kidney registry. doctors, good to have both of you with us tonight. doctor, we just saw on drew's piece, essentially the rich preying on the poor. if it were legal to buy and sell organs, how would you keep that from happening?

>> well, what you have shown, the story you showed is appalling. this is the ravages and deprivations of the black market, which is exactly why we need a transparent legal means of exchange. what i'm referring to here is not a free market, but a regulated system where the state or federal government would give a reward to a stranger who would like to give his kidney and save the lives of someone else. >> should that reward be in the form of cash? >> we envision that reward more in terms of an in kind benefit, a tax credit, contribution to a 401k, even a contribution to the charity of the donor's choice so his altruism can be multiplied. the reason that we don't -- i say we, my colleagues and i have been working on this issue, and we talk not about cash because, as the show had shown earlier, you don't want to entice

desperate people. it's desperate people we don't want. folks who, you know, feel that i have no choice but to give an organ. so you don't give cash because that's what desperate people want. >> i want to bring dr. danvich on this. could that, in fact, help if it were regulated and if cash were not being handed out, if it was more of an in kind benefit? >> i think that would be a big mistake. the people who donate for a financial incentive, whether it's cash or noncash are always going to be people who are vulnerable. what we need tooed is promote voluntarily donation. and although we have seen a terrible story today about bad apples, there is actually a lot of good news. in the last ten years in this country, there have been 15,000 voluntary living donations, and the outcome for those donors has

been excellent, both from the medical point of view and the psychological point of view. we need to promote voluntary donation. and there's good news around the world. by the way, in this country, the national kidney foundation is helping promote donation internationally. 80 countries and organizations have gotten together in the istanbul organization. in china there are improvements. >> as you mentioned in the u.s., you mentioned some improvement, there are still some 80,000 people waiting for a kidney. it's okay for a woman to sell her eggs, is it really any different, dr. danovitch to decide to sell your kidney? >> it's very different, erica. the population targeted for egg donation tend to be people of high socioeconomic status whereas people targeted for

financial incentives for a kidney transplant tend to be of low socioeconomic status. the part that scares me about dr. satell's proposal is that it will undermine voluntary donation. voluntary donation and incentiveized donations do not go together. doctor citel's donor, a woman woman donated not voluntary. you are going to undermine voluntary donation if you permit financially incentive donation. we have seen that all over the world. >> doctor, you shaking your head no. >> yes. i disagree with that vehemently. we have seen in iran, which is the one country of all places that has a legalized means of compensating donors, increased and deceased donors by tenfold. if we continue with the status

kuo to te quo to tend the way, not end the way. the poor donors going to be exploited in the black market. we have to reward willing, informed educated donors. >> good to have you both with us in a debate that's far from easy to reconcile. thank you, both. up next, an air strike in afghanistan, scores killed, the tensions are rising. is this really a winnable war? plus, see where a labor day gift might leave you dealing with the sharks. my commercials didn't convince you? i am definitely a skeptic. actually, my mom convinced me. and i have activia every morning for breakfast. activia definitely helped with my occasional irregularity. activia is clinically proven to help regulate your digestive system in two weeks when eaten every day. chances are someone you trust can recommend activia. take the activia challenge. it works or your money back!

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stick it out? joining us now is national security analyst peter bergen joining us live from kabul tonight. good to have you with us. stanley mcchrystal recently tightened the rules for calling in air strikes saying "air power contains the seeds of our own destruction if we don't use it responsibly, we can lose this fight. although this strike early this morning was called in by german nato forces, do afghans make that distinction between, say, nato forces from another country and u.s. troops? >> reporter: no, i don't think they do, erica. and of course, most of the air strikes in afghanistan are by the united states because there's so many more american air assets. and civilian casualties is the main political issue in afghanistan. there's been real improvement in the last several months of general mcchrystal's change in rules of engagement, and then you have an instance like this and afghans are sort of, you know, outraged all over again. so, yes, the rules of

engagements have changed. >> did this strike go too far? >> well, there's no doubt about it, as far as we can tell, you know, dozens of civilians were being killed and this was a mistake. >> with august being the deadliest month in afghanistan for u.s. troops, we hear how support of the war is dropping. 57% of americans now supporting the war. the casualties are particularly bad in certain provinces. is this still a war that for the u.s. is actually winnable? >> reporter: well, depends what you mean by winnable, but bringing more security to the afghan people? yes, i think that's possible. 40% of the country is subject to high risk of taliban attacks. if you can show to the american people in the next year or so it's been ruled back to 30%, if you can secure the main road, the kabul to kandahar road which is right now quite dangerous,

tangible, achievable goals in the next 12 months, yes, you can convince the american people. >> we know you'll be talking a little bit more about those goals and how the fight to win them is going later next week. peter, thanks, tonight. and anderson will be in afghan substantial all next week along with peter, michael ware, and sanjay gupta are also there to see firsthand just what's happening in the country. don't miss a "360" special live from the battle zone all begins on monday. we do want to get you caught up tonight. joining us again with a "360" bulletin. california investigators have seized a van from phillip and nancy garrido's backyard as potential evidence in the kidnapping of jaycee dugard. and tonight, the mayor of nearby antioch, california, has said a trust fund was set up for jaycee. she was reunited with her family last week after 18 years in captivity. to afghanistan where 14 private security guards at the u.s. embassy have been fired.

they're accused of sexual misconduct and intimidation. they're employees of the private security contractor armor group north america. back home, the university of oregon has suspended running back blunt for the rest of the season for this, that sucker punch against a boise state player last night. since he is a senior, his college career is essentially over anyway. sensitive feelings. and some unwelcome guests off cape cod this holiday weekend. sharks. look at them, the sighting are near chatham's lighthouse beach. beaches will be closed immediately if a shark is spotted lurking in the water. erica? >> you know what, todd, i'm going to stay home in new york city just to be safe. >> that seems like a good policy. shark lurking in the water, let's close the beach. >> we want you back here monday. >> i'll be here. i forgot we've got the shot.

from beaming to chuckling, the bride who just couldn't stop laughing. it's funny stuff, we promise. she's laughing. stay with us.

all right. a fine way to end the week. how about infectious laughter. comes from a bride who lost it during her ceremony. take a look. >> be my waffly and pancaky.

i've been scared of this all my life. >> at least he's not crying and running away. the giggle gal is named melissa. after her groom said waffly instead of lawfully and threw in the pancaky. she started cracking up. the whole congregation started to laugh. it kept going for a little while as you can see. but eventually the bride got it together, the vows were exchanged, they're now husband and wife, and i believe they enjoy weekend mornings with a fine waffle and maple siyrup. >> that minister -- >> not amused in the least. >> judges often don't have a great sense of humor. >> that is a story for another day. >> you know this is my 23rd anniversary this week. >> happy anniversary. you should celebrate with a waffle breakfast. >> yeah. we should. happy anniversary, have a great weekend. coming up at the top of the hour. back to the serious stuff. do parents have a reason to

worry about the president speaking to their children in school next week? we've got the fury and the facts.

good evening, everyone. thanks for joining us. is i'm erika erica hill. tonight, breaking news, a major development in the georgia killing rampage that left eight people dead. the young man who made that anguished 911 call, this young man you see that he come home to find his entire family had been wiped out. well, he tonight is under arrest, charged with their murders. details are just ahead. but first, we want to concentrate on the growing pressure on president obama with your children stuck in the cross-fire. the president talking to kids on the first day back to school may not seem all that controversial on the surface. plenty of past presidents, both republican and democrat have done it without causing much fuss.

but not this president and not this time. that's because this time some school districts are refusing to carry the president's speech. some parents now plan to keep their children home from school on that day. it turns out there's a lot of fear out there, and some people believer teaching materials justify that fear. tom foreman takes a look at both the fear and the facts. >> reporter: call it a fast lesson in public pushback. the president's plan to speak to school kids tuesday has some conservative parents say he's trying to brainwash their kids into buying his politics. >> thinking about my kids in school, having to listen to that just really upsets me. >> politics are totally up to the family. >> i don't know. right now i would say no. i will keep them home. >> reporter: across the country many school districts are encouraging students to watch. in new orleans it will be

required. but that's an exception. in virtually every state at least some schools have decided to either not show the speech, review it first, or make viewing optional. some cite schedule conflicts and technical difficulties, but this was not what the white house expected. the president's speech will focus on keeping kids in school, a subject he's promoted before. >> unfortunately, nearly 30% of u.s. high school students aren't making it to graduation. >> reporter: but the core complaint seems to be with supplementary teaching materials. originally they called for students to write, quote, what they can do to help the president. the white house has since changed that, suggesting the children now write about their own educational goals. furthermore, the text of the president's speech will now be put online monday so any teacher, parent, or politician can preview what's going to be said. plenty seem fine with that,

including the national president of the pta. >> we have an opportunity here in the united states for parents, teachers, and students to take part in a tremendous civic lesson. >> reporter: still, just like the crowds at all those town hall meetings, others are far less satisfied. >> my rights as a parent are being circumvented. >> reporter: they clearly resent the notion that they are unfairly questioning the president's motives. >> education matters. and what you do today and what you don't do can change your future. >> reporter: after all, they point out when the first president bush spoke to school kids on tv in 1991, top democrats called that just political advertising on the taxpayer's dime. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> going to talk strategy now with political contributor and democratic strategist james carville.

good to have you both with us. is tony blankly. good to have you with us. tony, there is this very growing passionate conservative outcry against the planned speech. what exactly is the issue with the president's planned speech? >> i think this is an example of an unforced era by the white house staff. every president has certain vulnerabilities that you should avoid. i worked for reagan. people thought he didn't have a command of the facts. so we tried to avoid images that consist that. president obama has certain images, hillary clinton talked about it, "saturday night live" talked about it during the campaign. a smart staff would avoid playing into that. when this -- >> wait, give me specifics, though. you are not telling me specifically what the vulnerabilities are. >> sure. the cult stuff that's been talked about by a lot of people. why would they send instruction to students, little kids around the country, to explain how the president inspires them.

that plays into that fear and concern and a large part of the public has responded with deep concern. >> is the issue then not necessarily the speech, but the issue is more with the lesson plan? >> well, i think yes, that's the white house admitted in the language and changed it. i think that was what sparked the concern. obviously presidents have spoken to students on a regular basis. reagan did, bush did. there's nothing wrong with that. but i think it was the lesson plan. when we started seeing the things asking our kids to start asking him how does he inspire you. >> they were talking about how did that speech inspire you. >> if you are white house staff, you don't want -- >> let's ask james about that. tony is saying the white house staff was kind of stupid with what they did. did the white house not think it through initially? so how would you answer that question if i was asking you? join the live blog. log on at ac360.com.

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our conversation and the controversy over president obama's planned back to school speech next week continues. the white house calling the concern over speech to students silly. many conservatives are taking this very serious. some parents, you even saw the tears there earlier, promising to keep the children home from school on the day of the speech. before the break i was talking strategy and i asked james whether the white house had failed to anticipate the potential for political controversy. here's the rest of our conversation. did the white house not think it through initially? >> i'm not sure, but i think it came out of the department of education and i think they were talking about in terms of it, as i understand it it was like personal responsibility, being studious or something like that. the truth of the matter is if you have people in this country who don't believe obama was born in the united states. there are people in this country that believe that the earth is 5,000 years old. there's nothing that you can do about that. you have to live with it.

you have to go on. this is a man that's sort of a testament to what education can do for somebody. his mother read to him at 4:30 in the morning. he is a highly educated person. he can talk to kids. he can, might be able to connect with a lot of kids. do that, and if you feel compelled to keep your kid out of school, it is a free country, keep your kid out of school. but you cannot run a country based on birthers and creationists. you have to do it on inspiring kids. >> tony, in terms of keeping kids home from school, do you think it is a good idea? and if you are, what should the lesson be that parents are giving their children that day? >> i think every parent has to make their own decision as to what they want to do. keeping your kid out of school and on the first day is a big deal. on the other hand, a parent has a right to protect their children from anything they don't want to have. and sometimes parents keep them

from sex education and other stuff. that's a family's decision. it's not mine and it's not the government's. >> james, would it be easier, the white house has it will release a copy of the speech online monday so parents can review it ahead of time. >> i think they are. >> they are. but should they have done it sooner, say yesterday? >> look, in retrospect, you should have anticipated, again, this is a country that people believe that, these people believe obama wasn't born in the united states. they believe the earth is 5,000 years old. a parent has every right to take their kid to the creation museum in kentucky. this is something that we have got to live with, the united states, and i guess administration saw this coming and hindsight, this, that, that's fine. people have a right to keep their children home. but i think we would be better off if we sort of believed in what back for it and we had some kind of appreciation of what the

scientific method was in this country. >> i only have 15 seconds on this last one for both of you. james, i will start with you. is this growing political divide getting to be too much? is it something that can be overcome at this point? >> i don't know, it's pretty rough out there. look, i think the president is going to have to, you know, that is his kind of thing when he came in as a unity, community democrat and everybody saids it just the clintons that made all these republicans nutty, but it looks like maybe they were just that way from the start. >> i will let you respond to that. >> i know james, james, if he was runing this operation for his president, they wouldn't have done this stunt. but the fact is obama had a tremendous opportunity when he came in as a president, in seven months they have thrown it away. he is now just another president, another politician. that's another example of sloppiness on the part of his staff.

>> so you don't think we can overcome that divide? >> no. somebody will. >> we will be watching to see who it might be. tony and steve, it's good to have you both with us. thank you. when we come back, the breaking news tonight, he called 911 to tell the operator he found his whole family dead. now guy heinze jr. is charged with those murders. authorities in georgia speaking out. just ahead the evidence that led to his arrest. later we are back on the fire lines in southern california. strength on its own can be impressive. when consistency is added, that's when it becomes real. ♪ at northwestern mutual, we've been able to deliver real strength... for over 150 years. northwestern mutual. consistency counts.

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breaking news out of georgia tonight where a man is under arrest.

this is the suspect. 22-year-old guy heinze jr. who faces eight counts of murder. seven of the victims are related to him. the eighth was a family friend. it happened last weekend and its a suspect himself who related police to his horror. listen to his call. >> >> a chilling call which >> a chilling call which authorities now believe was made by a killer. sean callebs with the latest on the arrest. sean, hello. >> it has been a simply a shocking development. throughout the week people wondered out loud if indeed guy heinze jr. could be involved in this.

he was charged with tampering evidence, lying to investigators, and a small amount of pot, as well. his bond was set at only $20,000. when the chief of police here came out just a short while ago and announced there was a significant break in the case, it certainly sent shock waves to the small coastal areas. the chief said throughout the week heinze jr. wasn't officially a suspect until some significant information came to light. here's what the chief said just about one hour ago. >> very late this afternoon, two pieces of information came forward to us. we took those two pieces of information, compared it to the whole of all the evidence collected all week long. we were satisfied that that led us to believe that guy heinze jr. is the responsible person for the murders. >> really want to point out chief doering was extremely tight lipped and said very little at the news conference. he wouldn't talk specifically

about what this new information was. he wouldn't discuss whether he had a motive, wouldn't discuss whether there could have been more than one person involved. i want to show you some very sobering, very somber pictures. look at this. these are seven of the murdered here last saturday. and we spoke with the family earlier today and they actually invited us to take these pictures. they wanted the community to see what was at stake. they said, quote, we want this monster out there arrested. at the time the brother-in-law said he had no reason to believe at all that heinze jr. could be involved in this. erica, i really want to stress this. think about this, there was a father, four children there were heinze' relatives as well as guy heinze sr. he was accused of killing five family members as well as three others and there is a 3-year-old child clinging to life this evening who remains on life

support. >> it's incredible to see that visual. i know you mention police have been tight lipped. you have been there since earlier in the week. they were saying they really wanted to catch somebody. people were living in fear. what has it been like there? >> first we had the 911 call and heinze jr. was arrested and face those three charges. i spoke with his attorney ron harrison on the phone. he denied guy heinze jr. had anything at all to do with the murder. tuesday bond was set, $20,000. not a high bond. not the kind of bond you keep for someone who theoretically could have committed eight murders. i spoke with the family just a little on thursday. then interviewed them friday. it has been brutal for that family, as you can imagine. the mother of the four children is basically in shock. been very difficult. they actually found out that heinze jr. had been arrested at the viewing this evening. the funeral was slated for tomorrow. some horrific news. then this bombshell coming, heinze jr. had been arrested.

this after the family said we have no reason to believe he was connected with this at all. >> just when you can't get any worse for that family, can't imagine what they are feeling tonight. sean, thanks. just ahead, arson now blamed in a deadly california wildfire. a homicide investigation now launched after the deaths of two fire fighters. tonight we take you on that hunt for the killer. tom foreman joins us first for the 360 news and business bulletin. hi, tom. >> the august job reports is in. economic signals are mixed, at best. the unemployment rate jumped to the 26-year high. 9.7%. compared to 270,000 in july. vice president biden today insisted the numbers are still too high. >> now, i want to be clear about something. less bad is not good. that's not how president obama and i measure success. we are not going to be satisfied

any more than the governor is or anybody else is until we start adding not losing thousands of jobs per month. but one of the tools to get us on that point is the recovery act. >> libya admits pressuring british officials to release the lockerbie bomber. he said he wanted the terrorist included in a prisoner release deal tied to trade deals between the two countries. but he said britain refused. diagnosed with terminal cancer, released last month to a hero's welcome. not the last we will hear from that, we are sure. and it's a boy. the panda cub born at the san diego zoo nearly a month ago was examined it's first time as its mother briefly left the den. weighing in at 2.8 pounds. the yet to be named cub is described as healthy and, quote, very rolly polly. >> i think that's what you want in your panda baby, right?

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they gave their lives trying to save others. today the two humans who died battling the deadly wildfire in southern california lay to rest. memorial services will be held next weekend. their deaths had been ruled a homicide at this point and officials believe a wildfire north of los angeles which has destroyed nearly 150,000 acres and dozens of home was deliberately set. also late word tonight that governor arnold schwarzenegger is offering a reward to find the culprit. just how can investigators find a culprit amidst tens of thousands of acres of ash? brian todd reports on the hunt. >> reporter: erica, this is now an arson investigation. officials not giving many more

details than that. with this fire being fought on so many fronts, it's not as fire fighters need any more reminders of how serious this situation is. earlier today they got one. the remains of a fallen fire fighter are driven past colleagues. his death and that of another fire fighter means the biggest wildfire is now a homicide case. investigators are now calling this arson. the incident commander adds another phrase. >> for any act of arson in the wild, it is domestic terrorism. that's my personal opinion. it affects communities, citizen, fire fighters. what else could it be? >> reporter: this could be ground zero. mile marker 29 in the national forest. roped off with red flags carefully placed. veteran investigators tell us it's likely they believe this is the point of origin. officials are not commenting on a los angeles times report that incendiary material was found here.

a source didn't specify what material that is. a former fire chief who's investigated thousands of wildfires all over the u.s. says it could be a range of thins. >> probably they either found the match that was left there, the lighter that was left there, the incendiary device that was left there, the road flare that was used to start this fire. >> reporter: steve takes us through the csi of wildfire investigations, clues he says are everywhere. >> paper on the ground like this also becomes good indicators. >> reporter: these he says are indicators of the direction the fire burned in at the point of origin. an investigator on scene elaborates. >> indicators can be things such as burned rocks. it can be soil that's been damaged. >> reporter: he says while these clues reveal the direction, arson is something on the ground to confession. another key question. >> in a territory that is the

size of a major city, burned acreage for as far as the eye can see, not only finding that point of origin, but determining that it's arson really fairly quickly in a manner of a few days, how do they get to that point in just a few days? >> each fire is a little bit different, but the things that we use are early on aerial photographs, sometimes satellite photographs, witness statements, the fire fighters that first arrived, they will know what the area involved was at the time they arrived. >> reporter: with those methods, he says you can narrow down the point of origin to an acre or less. they comb through the scene with sifters and dogs and look for witnesses. >> thanks. you can share your thoughts on this story. log on to our blog at ac360.com to join the live chat.

still ahead, a possible new strategy by president obama and health care. is this all too little too late? allegations a doctor is preying on the poor and illiterate desperate for just one thing -- their kidneys. more when we continue. reading about washington these days... i gotta ask,

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the health care battle heating up once begun tonight as president obama considers drafting his own formal health care bill. after weeks of debate, the administration now promising to lay out in quote understandable clear terms exactly what it is looking for in this legislation. the details to be unveiled to a joint session of congress next week. ed henry joins us with more. there is a little more coming out of the white house about what these plans for health care reform might be. >> we are learning some new information tonight. as you know for months the president has been resisting unveiling his own health care plan. sources are telling cnn tonight people inside the white house

are now talking about drafting a legislative plan of their own as sort of a contingency plan in case a deal on capitol hill falls through. it's obviously very difficult to get something through right now. in fact, my colleagues have heard as well that the president could send such a plan to the hill sometime after next wednesday's speech to a joint session of congress. a white house spokesman stressed to me tonight that while the president has looked at various proposals that are floating around, no final decision has been made on whether to send a formal legislative proposal. so it could be just principles they send to the hill, but we are hearing that they are considering now sending a full legislative plan. finally, the key is going to be what's in this. what we are hearing that the president's top aides are very deep into investigations with senator snow. she is sort of the last hope regarding getting a republican to sign on what they call a bipartisan bill. the key is will not be a public

option and this trigger mechanism that if insurance companies don't make the changes they promise to make, then the public option will be triggered as sort of a fall back. will they revolt? that's going to be the big question. >> we want to dig deep other that. david, when you look at that trigger option, is that enough to break this impact over health care reform, and is it a smart way to do it? >> on the surface, no, erica, but we will have to wait and see who is willing to compromise, who is willing to bend. the dilemma is the public option essentially as you know calls for setting up a u.s. government health insurance corporation that would compete with private health insurers. there is strong support for that because they think it will bring down prices, it will introduce

more competition. the president's problem is that 60 members of the house have signed a letter saying they will not vote for a bill in effect that does not have a robust public option. they don't want to trigger it. goes into effect right away. without them you can't get a bill through the house as nancy pelosi said last night. on the other hand, a bill that does contain a robust public option looks like right now it will not get through the senate. will not get enough votes among senate democrats to get through. so the president has got a dilemma on his hands. i think his problem is going to be how does he -- i think what he needs to do before his speech, if i may say so, is see if he can't get a negotiated deal before the speech not to take sides in the speech because if he does that, one side may be disappointed and may attack whatever his speech is on wednesday night. >> how much are you hearing about that speech? is this address to congress really going to be more of a sales pitch or an attempt to

embarrass members of congress into acting? >> i think he's tried the sales pitch over and over again, speeches across the country, and hasn't necessarily worked. i think david is absolutely right what their hope is and it's just a hope now is that they can get a deal with someone like olympia snowe before the speech. they don't want to raise expectation, so they are sort of caught here. david is right, you can't really get a public option through the senate right now. you can't get conservative democrats on board. what i'm hearing the latest iteration of this, some advisors to the president saying what he's likely to do is tell liberals in the house, let's get as much as we can now and get it later. why kill reform altogether? get as much as you can now. >> david, would that have been a stronger step from the beginning to go with baby steps, see what we can do now. seems like this effort to ram

everything through at once, a, it's not working and, b, it seems to really hurt the president politically. >> that's a very good question, erica. i think we are going to have a lot of post mortems when this is all over, if the president gets a watered down deal, which is i think the best he is going to get out of this right now. the landscape changes for health care reform. it did for the clintons and has for president obama. what he could have gotten three months ago is -- he probably could have gotten a better deal three months ago than now. the way this has unfolded with opinions souring, he's still got a lot of people for it, but he's got a lot more people against it now. he would be better off cutting a deal three months ago and then taking it to the country. he might have gotten public support behind it. this process has been so messy and chaotic in addition to sort of having this big liberal bill coming through the house that i think the whole thing sort of crater on him. wednesday night is critical, but he's got to get a negotiation, if he can, before wednesday

night. >> and everyone will be watching. i have a feeling we will be discussing it with both you gentlemen. always good to talk to you both. up next, preying on the poor to harvest kidneys. desperate for cash and duped into giving up body parts. where the secret harvest is happening. plus, the fight for afghanistan, increase in insurgent violence and debate over sending more u.s. troops. is this a war that can be won? we'll talk about all that with national security analyst peter bergen. (announcer) everything you need to stretch out on long trips. residence inn. that the bank of america really has the market cornered on. let me make it easier for you. let me show you how i can make it easier for you. we have the number one rated online banking website. it has an alert system that can text message you, so you're mobile banking, your bank's telling you

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our week long series on the harvests of human organs. concludes tonight with perhaps the most disturbing side of this trafficking business. the toll it takes on the donors. many of whom are in desperate need for money, lured by brokers to give away part of themselves. and in return, they're promised much but are often left with emotional and physical scars that may never heal. drew griffin reports. >> reporter: it was centered in northern israel where prosecutors allege a broker and a doctor treated the harvesting of kidneys like picking parts from used cars. >> the object was the kidney. in order to get the object, you needed the person and you needed to traffic him in order to do that. >> reporter: he is one of the prosecutors who was able to shut down essentially a human trafficking ring that sent both israeli patients, all jews, and their israeli donors, all arabs to the ukraine where an israeli doctor would perform the surgery.

the broker is in prison, the doctor in ukraine avoiding prosecution. the allegation, that they preyed on ill lit radesperate people tr kidneys. >> basically these two men were trafficking humans like used cars, and using those cars, those people, for their spare parts. >> exactly. and once the kidney was gone, so did the responsibility. no medical care, no one took care of them. as i mentioned before, we had the one victim that took out by himself his own stitches with a kitchen knife. >> reporter: the other prosecutor in this case says the victims were lured in by newspaper ads like this one published two years ago. the ads were placed in arabic speaking newspapers. targeting people like those who live in this very village in the north of israel. unemployment here is extremely high. the education level is low. the perfect place to find people

desperate to sell just about anything, including their kidneys. he's taking us to the village where a teenager was talked into, duped, really, into giving a kidney to somebody in the ukraine. >> they don't know yet what happened. >> reporter: this is one of those victims. he said he's embarrassed, still hurting. once inside away from the neighbors, he showed us the awful reminder of what happened. and he still is tired. still is week. he feels like he's a half human being. >> reporter: he was promised $7,000 for his kidney. he was given roughly half. then the broker began deducting expenses, meals he was given and lodging. in the end he sold his kidney for nearly nothing. prosecutors say the ring preyed on people just like this man,

illiterate, destitute, one victim, a single, divorced woman living in a muslim culture. >> you have two kids, you are divorced and you are coming from a very, very poor family in a very, very poor village, in the end, you are the best prey. >> reporter: prosecutors won their convictions on evidence from just five cases. but they believe the ring has been going on perhaps for years. its victims now too scared, too ashamed to admit they bear the scar of work in trafficking. drew griffin, cnn, nazareth. >> it is a crime to buy or sell an organ for transplant in the u.s. some say that policy should change. she received a kidney from a friend in 2006. she's also a psychiatrist and the author of a new book. the case for compensating organ donors. on the opposite side, he's a

professor and also on the board of the national kidney registry. doctors, good to have both of you with us tonight. doctor, we just saw on drew's piece, essentially the rich preying on the poor. if it were legal to buy and sell organs, how would you keep that from happening? >> well, what you have shown, the story you showed is appalling. this is the ravages and deprivations of the black market, which is exactly why we need a transparent legal means of exchange. what i'm referring to here is not a free market, but a regulated system where the state or federal government would give a reward to a stranger who would like to give his kidney and save the lives of someone else. >> should that reward be in the form of cash? >> we envision that reward more in terms of an in kind benefit, a tax credit, contribution to a 401k, even a contribution to the charity of the donor's choice so

his altruism can be multiplied. the reason that we don't -- i say we, my colleagues and i have been working on this issue, and we talk not about cash because, as the show had shown earlier, you don't want to entice desperate people. it's desperate people we don't want. folks who, you know, feel that i have no choice but to give an organ. so you don't give cash because that's what desperate people want. >> i want to bring dr. danovitch on this. this should be regulated in order to avoid sort of a black market. could that help if it was regulated? more of an in kind benefit? >> i think that would be a big mistake. the people who donate for a financial incentive, whether it's cash or noncash are always going to be people who are vulnerable. what we need to do is promote

voluntary donation. and although we have seen a terrible story today about bad apples, there is actually a lot of good news. in the last ten years in this country, there have been 15,000 voluntary living donations, and the outcome for those donors has been excellent, both from the medical point of view and the psychological point of view. we need to promote voluntary donation. and there's good news around the world. by the way, in this country, the national kidney foundation is helping promote donation internationally. 80 countries and organizations have gotten together in the istanbul organization. in china there are improvements. >> here in the u.s. you mentioned some improvements, there are still some 80,000 people waiting for a kidney. 13 people die every day. it's okay for a woman to sell her eggs, is it really any different, dr. danovitch to

decide to sell your kidney? >> it's very different, erica. the population targeted for egg donation tend to be people of high socioeconomic status whereas people targeted for financial incentives for a kidney transplant tend to be of low socioeconomic status. the part that scares me about dr. satel's proposal is that it will undermine voluntary donation. voluntary donation and incentivized donations do not go together. doctor satel's donor, a woman woman donated not voluntary. you are going to undermine voluntary donation if you permit financially incentive donation. we have seen that all over the world. >> doctor, you shaking your head no. >> yes. i disagree with that vehemently. we have seen in iran, which is the one country of all places

that has a legalized means of compensating donors, increased and deceased donors by tenfold. if we continue with the status quo to tend the way, not end the way. that's the national kidney foundation says. we are guaranteed more death of recipients, people who need organs and the poor donors exploited in the black market. we have to reward willing, informed educated donors. >> good to have you both with us in a debate that's far from easy to reconcile. thank you, both. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, an air strike in afghanistan, scores killed, the tensions are rising. is this really a winnable war? we'll peek speak with peter bergen live from kabul. plus, see where a labor day gift might leave you dealing with the sharks. special interest groups are trying to block progress

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in afghanistan today, a nato war plane hit two fuel tankers which had been hijacked by the taliban. at least 70 people died and many of them are believed to have been civilians. meantime with the american effort ratcheting up, public support shrinking for the war, the question, can obama -- president obama persuade the country to stick it out. joining us with the "360 dispatch" is peter bergen joining us live from kabul. general stanley mcchrystal recently tightens the rules for calling it air strikes. air power contains the seed of our own destruction if we don't use it responsibly. we can lose this fight. although the strike early this morning was called in by german nato forces, do afghans make that distinction between, say, nato forces from another country and u.s. troops? >> no, i don't think they do, erica. of course, most of the air

strikes in afghanistan are by the united states because there are so many more american air assets in the country. civilian casualties is the major political issue in afghanistan, erica. there's been some real improvement in the last several months with general mcchrystal's rules to the change of engagement. then an incident like this and afghans are sort of, you know, outraged all over again. so, yes, the rules of engagement have changed but you only need one big incident for it to become a problem. >> did this strike go too far? >> well, no doubt about it. as far as we can tell, you know, dozens of civilians have been killed and this was a mistake. >> with august being the deadliest month in afghanistan for u.s. troops we've heard how support for the war is dropping. a recent cnn poll, just 57% of americans now supporting the war. the casualties are particularly bad in certain provinces. is this still a war that, for the u.s., is actually winnable?

>> well, depend what you mean by winnable. bringing more security to the afghan people, yes, i think that's very possible. right now 40% of the country is subject of a high risk of taliban attacks. if you can show to the american people in the next year or so that the taliban have been rolled back, let's say, 30% of the country where they are effective. if you can secure the main road in the country, kabul to kandahar road which for now is still quite dangerous. if you can search really tangible, achievable goals in the next 12 months, you can persuade the american people this is winnable. >> we'll be talking more about those goals and how the fight to win them is going later next week when you join us with more from afghanistan. anderson will be in afghanistan all next week, along with peter, michael ware and 360 m.d. sanjay gupta. they're all there to see firsthand what's happening in the country. don't miss a "360 in afghanistan" special in the battle zone. we want to get you caught up on some of the other stories tonight. tom foreman joining us with a

"360 bulletin." >> california investigators have seized a van from nancy and phillip garrido's backyard as possible evidence. tonight the mayor of nearby antioch, california, says a trust fund has been set up for jaycee. she was reunited with her family after 18 years in captivity. to afghanistan where 14 private security guards at the u.s. embassy have been fired. they are accused of sexual misconduct and intimidation. they ever employees of armor group north america. back home, the university of oregon has suspended running back la garrett blount for the rest of the season for this. the sucker punch that he gave to a boise state player last night. since he's a senior, his college career is essentially over. oregon lost that game, 19-8. some unwelcome guests off cape cod this holiday weekend. sharks. look at them. these are mostly near chatham's lighthouse beach.

officials are urging swimmers to be cautious. they say beaches will be closed immediately if a shark is spotted lurking in the water, erica. >> i'm going to stay home in new york city just to be safe. >> seems like a good policy. shark lurking in the water. let's close the beach. >> i'd like you to avoid the sharks, too. we want you back here monday, tom. the shot is next. you're not done yet. we've got the shot. from beaming to chuckling. the bride who just couldn't stop laughing. it's funny stuff, we promise. or sit on her bed and talk about her day. but she's ready. thanks to walmart's unbeatable prices, i was able to get her everything she needed. as well as what she wanted. letting go?himom! (mom) that's the hard part. set them up for success, for less. save money. live better. walmart.

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