hey there, everyone on this cnn saturday morning for september the 5th. it's labor day weekend. i'm t.j. holmes. >> we're laboring, you don't have to. thanks tore starting the weekend with us. we're talking about the president, he's not laboring so far. he's at the camp david for a vacation getaway. we're talking this morning, he has a couple of big speeches this week. tuesday there's a lot of controversy surrounding this video address giving in schools.

some parents say not so fast, no partisan politics should be taking place in schools. so we'll have to see what shakes out. >> two big speeches and two different audiences. this is the unofficial end to summer. kids going back to school, a lot of doctors not happy to hear it either. it's going to make it easier for swine flu to spread. we're talking to a cdc expert so to whaer what she has to say. they are starting to see more of the disease, more of the swine flu already. >> it's amazing seeing the numbers in school. we're also seeing numbers when it comes to the manufacturing numbers. and i went up to the fashion district, the garment district in manhattan, manufacturing jobs, not a lot of people think of that. it's the pattern makers and

machine cutters who make it sing. it is starting to unravel because of the economy. we'll talk to the workers and see what they are seeing. >> one of biggest stories, we have an arrest in the murders of those eight people north of brunswick, georgia. police believe 22-year-old guy heinze jr. was behind, was the one who called 911 and told police he found the victim when he arrived home. among those victim, heinze's own father. >> two pieces of information came forward to us. we took those two pieces of information and compared it to the whole of all of the evidence collected all week long. we were satisfied that that led us to believe that guy heinze jr. is a responsible person for the murders. >> funerals for seven of the

eight victims are today. meanwhile there's a 3-year-old injured and still in the hospital. according to one family member he is holding on for dear life. we'll get a live report from brunswick later this morning. >> we're also staying on top of the story out of antioch. continuing to investigate phillip garrido for other crimes. a van from the backyard of garrido's northern california home just yesterday, he is the man jailed on 29 counts related to the kidnapping and imprison. and rape of jaycee dugard. getting reacquainted with her family after 18 years living in tepts and sheds behind the house. >> the fire fight in california is now a murder investigation. arnold schwarzenegger offering a reward leading to an arrest in the station fire. they now believe the fire was deliberating set and treating it

as a murder case. if you'll remember, two firefighters did die fighting the fire. the fires burned more than 150,000 acre soz far and destroyed more than 70 homes. august is behind us and a lot of lawmakers are happy about it, didn't fare too well. we got a new month now and maybe a new plan. cnn has learned the white house is talking about writing its own version of health care reform. this is what people thought the president should have done in the first place. it could be delivered to capitol hill wednesday night after president obama addresses the joint session of congress. administration is leaning towards dropping the public option from the health care plan. >> the white house proposal would cover most of the 46 million uninsured americans and include popular insurance reforms like ending the insurance industry practice of preexisting conditions to deny

coverage. tea party express is in louisville for a rally to protest what organizers believe is out of control government spending. the express bus heading for washington for the gathering on september 12th. on the other side, health care for america is holding a rally in bristol, pennsylvania this morning. the president resetting his strategy on health care reform come next week. and we mentioned two big speeches, not just the one in school on tuesday but on wednesday addressing a joint session of congress that evening. you can watch that right here on cnn. also, we'll have analysis from the best political team on television, won't want to miss that 8:00 eastern time on cnn. the president plans to address students creating a lot of controversy. we would like to know what you think about it, not just the fact that a president is speaking to student.

lesson plans went out that critics say was pretty much in support of the president, telling the kids in a political way almost to support the president. that's what people had a problem with. we know you're getting up and starting to move around, so logon, turn the computer on and go to our blog cnn.com/t.j. you can find us on twitter and facebook. the august unemployment figure show job losses on the rise, 9.7%, that's the unemployment rate. the highest we've seen since 1983. according to vice president the economy has turned the corner and much of the credit goes to the athe obama stimulus plan. >> played a significant role in changing the trajectory of our economy and changing the conversation about the economy in this country. instead of talking about be the begetting of a recession --

>> how's that bank account of yours? let's take a closer look with our deputy political director and friend of our show, paul stein houser. do the people out there, do they see eye to eye with the vice president on this thing? >> the answer is yes and no. don't see eye to eye whether we're snil a recession. 9 out of 10 people question a poll that we're still in some kind of recession, be it mild or serious. also, we asked are things going badly right now. nearly 7 in 10 americans, 69% said things are going badly in the country right now. the good news, in a 69% is lower than it was at the beginning of this year. people are maybe getting slightly more optimistic. >> we'll take the slightly more optimistic. when things aren't going well we always look for somebody to blame. who are americans blaming for the mess that we are in? >> they are still blaming republicans more than democrats for in recession. the number of people blaming the

republicans is going down. number of people blaming democrats is going up. this used to be george bush's recession. the polls suggest as time goes on maybe this economy becomes more barack obama's economy. >> we heard the vice president talk about or attribute a lot of the turn around so far to the president's stimulus plan. will americans agree with him on that point, maybe the stimulus plan is doing what he said it would do? >> only 4 in 10 think the president's plan are helping bring an end to the recession. another quarter say they are not helping yet but they may. the rest say they are making things worse. do you support what the president is doing? do you like the stimulus? a majority still do, but that number as well is deteriorating throughout the year. >> a lot of the president's numbers and things going down in support for what he's doing. we'll see if he can turn it around. paul, always good to see you, thank you so much.

so it's labor day, happy labor day weekend. i kind of like to be at the beach sunning with sand, sand castles, having a beer later today. but serious folks for folks at cape cod, cue the jaws music. look out for sharks. five big sharks, including a great white were cited off the chatham, a mile away from this public swimming area. officials say the beaches will remain open but they are asking swimmers, obvious caveat, be careful. is this normal to see great whites this close? >> let me answer that with a public service announcement. there's never been a shark attack on land. if you stay on land, the odds of getting attackeded -- >> that guy is safe. >> we do have these sharks that are off the coast lines, number one place for shark attacks in

united states happens to be in parts of flor daxt the farther north you go you can see sharks. great white, one of sharks mentioned. one was a basking shark which is harmless. >> you're up on your sharks. >> i like to stay away from them too. we'll show you your beach forecast, very, very quickly. scattered clouds out there, not a bad time in the northeast off the coast. as you on the weather wall, from south hampton, all kinds of markers on the board. look at this. highs up in the 70s for south hampton in the 70s. cape may about 72 degrees. water temperature mainly in the 70s. farther north you're in the 60s. stay out of the water. should be a great weekend. we'll have more of the forecast coming up in mere moments. back to you at the news desk. >> they've had four shark

attacks. >> four sharks since 1670. four. >> four too many z. >> the last one in 1936. >> were any of those on land? >> i think one was. >> really? >> i'm teasing. come on reynolds. you fell for that? >> in the water, gentlemen? the water. >> the h1n1, how worried should you be about it. when will the vaccine be ready? we're talking about a little boy hit in the head during a baseball game. it is the worst accident this town has ever seen. we'll tell that story coming up. e any moment. fancy feast appetizers. simple high quality ingredients like wild alaskan salmon, white meat chicken, or seabass and shrimp in a delicate broth, prepared without by-products or fillers.

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this morning we want to continue our conference with when comes to swine flu. check the numbers here, we're talking 2,000 cases, in just the first week of class at washington state university. 10% of students have come down with the virus and about 200 students come in every single day with some kind of virus like symptoms. they also say students who feel sick, here's the big message, stay home. >> we heard about the h1n1 virus months ago, now new white house report warns up to 50% of the u.s. population could be infected by the virus by winter. president obama says he wants to

be ready with answers before that ever happens. >> we're also making steady progress on developing a safe and effective h1n1 flu vaccine. we expect a flu shot program will begin soon. this will be complete volume unteary but strongly recommended. >> bethank you for being here. we heard the president say we're making steady progress. how close are we to having safe and effective vaccine right now? >> the clinical trials are going on right now and we're anticipating the vaccine should be available by mid october. we're working as fast as we possibly can. we know people are eager to receive the vaccine so we are focusing on getting this done as soon as possible to make sure we have a safe and effective

vaccine. >> you say trials and you think you'll have one by october or so. it sounds like you have something you believe will be effective. >> yes, these vaccines are being made in the way that very well known to us, very similar to the way we make seasonal influenza vaccines, more than 100 million people receive them each year. we have every expectation that we'll have a safe and effective vaccine. >> tell us. there's a lot of talk about once the vaccine comes out, what it will look like. will people need to get two separate shots? which way are we leaning on that. >> that's one of big questions we expect to answer with the clinical trials, we think probably some children, maybe children will need two doses, but we won't know for sure. >> how problematic could that be if people have to get one shot and go back a few weeks later to

get a second and they are not fully covered or protected against this until later in the year. we could be going for another month or two or maybe beyond with everybody running around in this country still not necessarily immune with no resistance to the swine flu. >> you know, even now with the seasonal influenza vaccines children 9 and under do need two doses. so it's not surprising that some people might need two doses of the new vaccine as well. this 2009 h1n1 has not gone away since it first appeared in the spring. we continue to see activity throughout the summer. there were outbreaks in camps. now that school is starting, i think we expect to see disease increasing and actually even now in the southeastern part of the country, we are starting to see increases in disease activity in many parts of the southeast. >> do you think that is directly the cause of some -- i was going

to ask next where we're seeing it. do you attribute that to the fact that people are starting to go back to school? >> one thing about influenza, it's very unpredictable. we've seen lots of variation across the country in terms of what areas have a lot of disease at any particular time. it's hard to be sure of exactly why a disease appears to be increasing right now in the southeast. but certainly possible that one factor might be that schools opened a few weeks ago. >> one thing and i want you to break this down as simple as possible. this is on the minds of a lot of people. i don't get the flu vaccine every year, i know i should. i don't get a flu shot. i got the flu last year, i fought it off, drank my fluids and got rest and i was fine. if i don't get a swine flu vaccine, and i happen god forbid to get h1n1 will my body fight it off like the seasonal flu or

dove do i have more to worry about? >> anybody can get very ill from seasonal flu, although most people do fine. it seems that things are fairly similar in terms of the 2009 h1 h1n1. >> a lot of people trying to educate folks a lot of people seem to be certainly are concerned. we don't want everybody to be necessarily alarmed at the same time. we appreciate you coming on and continuing to educate about this. >> having listened to the interview, how do we track the spread of the h1n1 flu. here is josh levs. >> officials are hoping people will be using the internet in brand-new ways. one of the biggest websites is tracking your searches. i'm going to show you.

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♪ >> all right if you're a parent and hearing this news about h1n1 and sending kids off to school, you've got to be a little concerned and confused about all that's going on with the virus

of the a lot of people turning to websites. scientists hope the internet will play a huge role in fighting the virus. >> josh, good morning. >> i learned a new term this week, infodemiology, hoping to share information online. i'll show you key websites, you don't have to write everything down. everything is listed in one place. let's zoom right in. cnn.com has a really good spread on this. it's easy to find. cnn.com/h1n1. it gets you everything we know about the symptoms to date. check this out. healthmap.org they follow all sorts of illnesses around the world and alert you when there are some. this is specifically i clicked on h1n1 and clicked on the

united states. everywhere they have a mark is the latest reported case. you click on some of these and we'll give you the latest information and links for even more than that. a couple more to show you. google flu trends. google tracks your searches no matter where you are all over the world f a lot of people are searching for a topic, they check it out. they created a special page for flu trends and planning to alert people, people in the u.s. in kansas are suddenly searching for flu symptoms. a lot of searches for something means may actually have it. tons of people are searching in this area, maybe there's something to be concerned about that. flu.gov, where the obama administration is putting out info. you can click on all of it. we have a graphic, cnn.com/josh

and we have a graphic -- facebook and twitter, it's all posted right there for you. you cannot miss it. let us know if these are working for you. if there's a different site that works for you. if someone comes along, i have a better site. we'll share it with you right here. >> we appreciate that. it's hitting before flu season, the regular flu season. not supposed to start until later but we have the swine flu season that's kick up already. >> great interview with the cdc gal. >> i had questions of my own. >> growing number of you, not just confused but concerned about the h1n1 virus, a new opinion research corporation poll showing 39% of you worry that a family member will get swine flu. back in may only 17% voiced that concern. then when asked if you plan to

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hello, again, welcome back to "cnn saturday morning." >> thank you for starting your day with us. want to start with one of our top stories, the arrest in killing of eight people in rural georgia. guy heinze jr. is charged with the killing. heinze's father is among the victims, a 3-year-old is the only survivor, who remains

hospitalized. funerals for seven of the victims will be held today. >> a 4-year-old boy is in a drug induced coma in ohio after being hit by a foul ball during a minor league baseball game. the boy was sitting on his dad's lap in front row when he was hit by the line drive. taken to a hospital. it may take five days for the swelling in his brain to go down. >> it caused a fracture or break in his skull and actually the bone was depressed and down into the brain. >> he's always happy and he's very affect nat. 50 times out of nowhere, he goes, i love you. >> you hate to hear that kid enjoying a baseball game, the boy's mother said they are not going to stop going to baseball games. doesn't blame anybody. things like this just happen. unfortunately it happened to her son.

>> we were talking about sharks off of cape cod, now we're talking cougars, seattle's largest park offlimits after cougar sightings, state wildlife agents have set two traps to try to capture the cougar. there have been four sightings in the last week. one woman saw the cougar next to her house and drove toward it until it ran off. >> toward it? >> trying to hit it or something? trying to take care of the problem. in california they think an arsonist is on the loose. the wildfire has grown and dozens of homes and buildings destroyed here. >> investigators say it was set on purpose. california governor arnold schwarzenegger has offered a $100,000 reward for information on the suspected arsonist.

brianed to h ed ttodd has more investigators are looking for. >> reporter: the remains of a fallen firefighters are driven past his colleagues. his death and that of another firefighter mean the biggest wildfire in los angeles county is now a homicide case. investigators are now calling this arson. the incident commander adds another phrase. >> any act of arson in the world is domestic terrorism. that's my personal opinion. i believe other folks have said that because it affects communities and citizens and law enforcement officers and what else could it be. >> reporter: this could be ground zero, mile marker 29 in the angeles national forest roped off with red flags carefully placed. it's likely they believe this is the point of origin. officials here are not commenting on a los angeles times report that incendiary material was found here. it didn't specify what material that is. a former fire chief who

investigated dozens of wildfires says it could be a range of things. >> probably they either found the match that was left there, the lighter that was left there, the incendiary device left there. the road flare used to start this fire. >> reporter: taking us through the csi of wildfire investigations, clues he says are everywhere. >> paper on the ground like this, also becomes good indicators. >> reporter: these are intd caters the direction the fire burn in the the origin indicators can be rocks or soil that was damaged. >> reporter: while these clues reveal the direction, arson can range from something on the ground to confession. >> in the territory in the size of a major city, burned acreage as far as the eye can see, not only finding the origin but

determining it's arson, how do they get to that point in a few days? >> each fire is a little bit different. but the things that we use are early on area yell photographs, witness statements, the firefighters that first arrived, they will know what the area involved was at the time they arrived. >> with those methods, they can narrow down the point of origin to an acre or less, maybe even an man-made object. they comb through the area with everything from sifters to dogs and then of course they look for witnesses, brian todd, california. >> here with reynolds, you were out there covering those for a few days. it's amazing to think somebody started this thing on purpose. maybe they didn't want it to get this big. why start the fire?

>> it's crazy. there's no explanation for it at all. but that being said, you have to remember that wildfires in this part of the world, doesn't make it right, but it is a natural occurrence, does happen naturally out there. to know that this did happen at the cause of someone's hands it is beyond belief. >> starting to make some ground on this thing, no doubt about it. we were talking last week when the thing first started going to get any help, any rain, you said wasn't coming any time soon. are they getting a little help? >> a little bit over the last couple of days, increased moisture over the evening hours. today we're going back into the 19 90s, winds picking up, stronger than it was when the thing originally started. you think about the fires, normally santa ana case were a big component. that wasn't the case. we'll walk over and show you a forecast. as you look at this video at home. these canyons, where i spent a couple of days, it is brutal to

deal with. let me show you what you have. temperatures along the coast mainly in the 60s and 70s, back inland, high temperatures will be later on today, not in the 60s but going into the 90s, so they certainly have a mess. it is just amazing to see these fires and these flames in this points going up 100 feet in the air. just to see it firsthand is an amazing thing. i had a chance to head out and visit this, see this carnage firsthand. >> reporter: take a look at this house to my immediate left. can you see there's not much left, you have the chain link fence and off in the distance, one of the signs it was a home. you can see the chimney. it is a scene that we've seen played up up and down this stretch of roadway. a scary thing to see. watching for traffic. on the other side here, wait until you see this too. at one point, just a few days ago, we had a wood beam that ran of course of these areas here

where you have these blocks. 2,000 degrees fahrenheit, the wood is gone and mail bombs remailboxes remain. fellow wanted to check and see if he had mail. thankfully no power bills. this is a testament to the extreme heat we've been dealing with in this area. if you want more signs, you you can look at the hills where the topography is crazy. we talk about the fires we fight in oklahoma, kansas where things are relatively flat. when you're dealing with terrain like this, mountainous conditions, my gosh, man, how do you fight this thing? >> the weird thing is when we were back in the studio, with had people asking to white balance our camera and give the skies a better hue. we had to explain to them, that's the color.

we had the orange color because there was so much smoke in the sky, the sun trying to fill they are down below. the smell out there is indescribable, you have not only the smoke but this awful smell of death. animals all over the place, in ravines trying to escape the heat. in other situations where animals have been trapped in indications and what not. a nightmare situation. you have two firefighter that's lost their lives. 42% containment. with the winds accelerating again today, they got a way to go. they do think they've turned the corner on the fire, you can't let your guard down. they've kept it away from mount wilson, the key communication point for not only parts of the city but really for the southern half of the state. and you see just the footage there, they attacked us on the ground below with helicopters and all kinds of airplanes, they

are going to be using to try to get the road pin point the hot spot today. it is going to be a huge endeavor and up to the task. amazing men and women. these guys are tired and covered with soot and smoke. no other place they would rather be. they are there for the fight. it's amazing to see the dedication and we owe them a debt of gratitude. >> we appreciate you always. some thinks you don't think about. the smell and color of the sky. >> i never covered a wildfire, have you? >> i lived in california for a while. they are no joke. it is fascinating to me, you can't outrun them. they can go 30 or 40 miles per hour. >> as fast as the wind can carry them. that's something you have to get training to be out there to cover a wildfire. we appreciate you as always. >> all right. poll numbers going south. president obama's popularity is

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think about it here. some people you don't necessary hi associate the bright lights and big city of new york with being manufacturing jobs but it is especially when you step inside manhattan's garment district. i discovered, i was there thanks to the down turn in the economy, apparel industry is starting to

unravel. >> reporter: in new york's world of high-end fashion, big brand designers mean billions of dollars in business. but before the cat walks and cash come the clothes, cut and sewn by hand by thousands in man hat tan's garment district. timmy has made a career here for the last 15 years. his pay, almost $12.50 an hour. with slumping sales and a down economy, the city's apparel industry has hit a snag. in the last year and a half the factory has slashed its staff by 60%. >> this busy time? >> it should be but we are not. >> i see machines over there that are dark? >> yeah, because we have to move people and put it closer, try to save electricity and there's no work. >> reporter: manhattan's garment district is home to a third of new york's 29,000 apparel manufacturing jobs. nationwide the number of jobs in the sector has fallen by more

than 60%. >> now that the business is shrinking -- >> reporter: this owner fears his business may go the same way. the recession and rising rent and cheap overseas are labor are destroying jobs in the garment district. only 3% of the clothing sold in the states is made in the usa. >> it is tough, they are sending most of the work overseas like china, indonesia, india and those places, that's why the businesses are going more for cheaper labor. that's why there's not enough work in the united states. >> reporter: they see the future in the high end, small mass production, they don't want to send overseas, it would preserve the 9,000 manufacturing jobs in the garment district. >> those workers are the ones that created this industry. and without the workers, we really won't have an industry. >> reporter: workers like timmy. >> this is what i love. i love to do this job.

>> reporter: hopes his job will survive both this economic unraveling and global shift. and keep manhattan at the heart of the billion dollar fashion industry. >> so you see in the video and it's pretty slow inside the one factory. it's september now, september fashion week in new york is coming up when the big name designers showing off the spring collections, typically translates into considerable work for the sewers and manufacture operators. it is not the case right now. >> fashion week is coming up. when exactly is that? >> september 10th is the beginning of it, i think. >> whatever, you're front row. be honest. >> that's unfortunate, you don't think about those things. >> the people behind the big people that make all of the difference and going away. >> we hope it gets better. we'll keep an eye on fashion

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♪ >> yes, this ain't no party, this health care reform. a lot of people are complaining there are so many plans out there. three different plans in the house, a couple different ones in the senate. this could be a new health care -- >> are you confuse snd. >> i'm a little confused myself. >> we could get another one.

this one could come from the white house. yes cnn has learned the white house is considering drafting its own version. they are thinking about it maybe, but at least they are talking about putting together their own plan. the administration is leaning towards droeping the public option in the plan. >> the white house proposal would cover most of uninsured americans, somewhere like 46 million people that could include popular insurance reforms, ending the practice of using preexisting conditions to deny people coverage. >> at least one republican would like to see the health care debate go back to scare one. minnesota congressman john klein says democrats need a do-over. >> no wonder americans are scared. health care reform is being imposed upon them rather than developed with them. and the potential costs are far too high.

and sadly, monetary costs are only part of the picture. many are concerned that democrats' plans may cause patients the right to see their family doctor or have any input into life altering, if not life saving medical treatment and they also fear it may cost them their jobs, a devastating prospect in an economy that has already lost 6.7 million jobs since the recession began. democrats have crafted this legislation behind closed doors, creating a partisan blue print that at last count clocked in at more than 1,000 pages, it's complicated and convoluted and not going to work. it's time to press the reset button. >> we went through all of this on health care reform. we've got to start over. kline sent a letter about the speech president obama will give to the country's school children that's supposed to happen on

tuesday, he asked for a preview. wanted people to be able to see the speech and parents could see it to judge for themselves whether or not to send their kids to school or whether the school district to show it. that is going to happen. the president expected to release the text of his speech on monday. so parents can make a determination if they want their kids to see it on tuesday. >> don't you love that graphic. >> i love it. >> ali, traveling man. >> they don't let him drive the bus. they have been taking the pulse of the people on latest cnn express tour. >> he wrapped up the week in madison, wisconsin, finding two issues keeping people up at night. >> reporter: brook and t.j. we found that the conversation tends to revolve around the economy or health care.

whirlpool announced it is shutting down a refraj rater plant and moving that down to mexico. even though people were concerned about economy and trade the conversation still gravitated back to health care reform. >> health care is a moral issue and it's a civil right. and we need to move with the rest of the developed world and have a real health care program. >> absolutely. >> reporter: let me get a sense of that from you. how many people think that the administration is on the right path with respect to health care reform, roughly on the right path? how many think the administration is not on the right pack with health care reform? one of you want to tell me about that. >> i disagree that health care is a civil right. i think it's a civil right to keep your own income and buy with it what you want. this is -- the health care crisis is highly overexaggerated and not something that the government should be running.

i'm sorry that people will be out of health care, but everybody has been at one time or another and you go out and build yourself back up again and get it. it's not everybody else's responsibility to give it to everybody else. >> we pay 17% of our gross national product for health care. canada pays 9% and covers anybody. we leave all of these people uncovered. 20,000 people die every year because they don't have insurance. this is a real number. that's more than six time as many that died in 9/11 and it's happening every year. >> do you think health care is the biggest issue facing us right now? put up your hand. i'll give you another option. how many think jobs, unemployment, that's a bigger problem? some of you voted twice. >> we did. i've got to say, once we get past that socialist smoke screen that we hear so much about, everything that any government

does is socialist. let's at least on the health care, why don't we at least give catastrophic coverage to the young families. you can go to any store or gas station and walk in, there's some poor young family got a little 4-year-old daughter dying of leukemia, insurance is not covering the care, they have to have charity benefits and ask for donations. if on the 5:30 news we can brag about million dollar a shop weapon systems, why can't we help save our dying children, at least? >> reporter: now, brook and t.j., a lot of people are concerned about the fact even if they had health care through their employers, because of that plant closure, more and more people will be dependent on some other option, either cobra or finding insurance privately. that's why unemployment is continuing to cause a concern for people when it comes to health care. the new employment numbers only

serve to make that problem a little bit worse. >> thanks to ali velshi. the labor day weekend is underway. glad you could be here, i'm t.j. holmes. >> where did summer go? >> i'm brook baldwin in for betty. a whole lot to talk about other than the fact that summer is just about official over here. president obama officially on vacation up in camp david for the weekend. we're talking about what is on tap for him later this week. tuesday he's supposed to be giving this back to school address, hey, kids, stay in school, study hard. but some parents are saying, we don't want our kids having to watch this message, we'll have to see what some parents are saying. we want to know what you think. >> the cash for clunkers program not over just yet, however, replace the clunker part with appliance. you get cash for your clunker

appliances, i guess you should say. a new program going to be starting up probably and we'll see if that old refrigerator or microwave, if it is eligible. we'll tell you about the program coming up. big stories to get to and let you know. things you might have missed overnight. the california governor, arnold schwarzenegger offering $100,000 reward for information leading to an arrest in the station fire in l.a. county. authorities believe this was not deliberately set and treating this as a homicide investigation because two firefighters died fighting the fire. it burned over 150,000 acres and over 70 homes or buildings have been destroyed. >> the scene of a deadly nato attack that happened in afghanistan. at many as 90 people were killed in the bombings of a pair of fuel tankers hijacked by insurgent. investigators want to know if

civilians were killed. we'll have a live report coming out of afghanistan in just a couple of minutes. you remember the horrible case, eight people who were murdered in georgia. a lot of press about this case came because of a 911 call we had. we played it here of a man calling in and saying they are all dead, my family has been murdered. that guy, police say is the one who murdered the family. you're seeing pictures of him here. charged in all of killings, guy heinze jr., police believe he's the one responsible for all of killings at his father's mobile home north of brunswick. listen now to the 911 call. >> okay, tell me what's going on, sir. what -- >> i just got home out last night got home just now and everybody is dead. my dad is dead -- >> how many people are there? >> my whole family is dead. >> so the voice you're hearing there, the one that called in

and said his whole family is dead, police say he's the one that killed him. sean, good morning to you. and did they have their eye on him the whole time? >> reporter: actually, they had him not ruled out, he was a person of interest. however, we talked to the police chief last night and they said he was not a suspect until late yesterday afternoon so think about that. the crime scene here, we have pictures outside the mobile home park where the eight people were brutally murdered. you heard the 911 call coming in. right after that police did arrest guy heinze jr., he had a little bit of pot and lied to investigators and also tampering with evidence for allegedly taking a shotgun out of the house and putting it inside his car. now he was locked up until late yesterday and then he was actually freed on bond about 4:15 eastern time in the afternoon. some pictures of him walking out of the detention center about two hours later, he received the

word he was being charged with those eight murders. now the police chief in this case has been extremely tight-lipped. somewhat to the frustration of people in the area, many who con dered, is there monster walking around our midst. two items of information came to light yesterday. would not provide any insight into what they were. listen to why he was being so tight lipped and why we can expect more of that in the future. >> what can you tell people in the area to reassure them that you believe you have the right person and can they sleep well? >> i can tell them it all started from the very outset, we'll do everything we can to ensure we get the right person. and that time has arrived. it is here now. i can only assure the community we have the best team there is and i can assure you that this person is responsible. >> it has been a long week here in glynn county. let's briefly walk through a time line. the call came in a week ago.

heinze jr. was arrested. i spoke with his attorney ron harrison and he said we deny any involvement in the murders and spoke with the family members on thursday, then an interview with them on friday. they were simply devastated bit news. at the time they said they had no reason to suspect that heinze jr. could have been involved in this. quickly want to walk through the breakdown of the people in the home. a father, four of his children and guy heinze senior. those were his cousins and uncle and that adds up to eight in that small mobile home. we have no idea when the next court appearance will be but that's the latest here. we can expect very little coming out of the glynn county police. we'll continue to find out what the possible motive could have been. >> i know it's so frustrating for people living there, frustrating for reporters.

he would not say -- people want to know, do i need to be watching out? there a killer on the loose? it sounds like i was hearing pretty clearly there from the chief, in fact they don't believe -- they got the right guy, nobody else running the streets that in any way is possibly connected to the murders. >> the chief would not go that far. he was specifically asked last night, do you believe there's anyone involved? he said no comment at this time. the family members were at a viewing last night, seven caskets in one room. the family wanted us to be there and wanted people to see the caskets to remind them there were people behind this horrible tragedy. and the family members actually found out during that visitation that guy heinze jr. has been charged with the crime. very somber evening. >> there's one more 3-year-old still in the hospital right now according to a family member in bad shape holding on to dear

life. sean, hopefully they got their guy and nobody else is running around. keep trying to get that answer out of the police chief. we appreciate you. president obama taking a little r and r at camp david. before he's doing that, he did give the weekly address and outlined new initiatives for american families to plan for the future. part of the message targeted senior citizens, lost your nest egg because of this recession. take a listen. >> throughout america today, tens of thousands of recovery projects are underway repairing our nation's roads and bridges and ports and water ways. renovating schools and developing renewable energy. we're putting americans back to work doing the work america needs done. mostly in private sector jobs. but even as we take gresive steps to put people back to work, it's important we keep faith on men and women looking

back on a lifetime of labor, who deserve to know that their efforts resulted in a security future. this recession not only led to the loss of jobs but also the loss of savings. the drop in home values for example has also meant a drop in the value of the single largest investments most families have. and the decline in the financial markets led to a decline in the value of 01 k's. as a result over the past two years the american people have lost $2 trillion in retirement savings. this carries a painful toll. >> now the initiatives are expected to compliment the proposals to boost participation in both irs and match retirement savings. >> after more than dozens of speeches and dozens much interviews, the president still hasn't been able to quite sell his plan. not everybody is on board just yet. what is it? do people not like the plan or

maybe there's a bit of obama fatigue. we have new numbers to show here. the president's overall job approval rating at 53%, down from 56% we saw in early august. paul, who is a friend of our show on saturday and sunday morning, joins us with insight behind these numbers. so obviously somebody not as happy with the president. is there a particular group behind the decline we're seeing? >> we're looking at independent voters, in this poll a majority of them disapprove how he's handling duties as president. they are a large and important voting bloc. they are one of the reasons why barack obama won the white house last year. >> right now it seems like all we've been talking about is health care and a lot of people say that is the reason for the drag on some of the numbers. is there anything else out there on people's minds? >> health care and the economy. those seem to be the big two and

the reasons why you're seeing the president's overall approval rating drop. taxes, health care, you can see the president is under 50%, he used to be above 50%. slipping on the key issues and that's why he's slipping overall. >> you talked a minute ago about the independents, does that mean if he's losing their support are republicans gaining that support or going back to being independent again? >> yes and no on the republicans. they are making gains on some crucial issues, more americans are starting to think the republicans can do a good job on the issues, but overall americans still think the democrat's policy will move the country in the right direction but they are making gains, t.j. >> how will this affect the president moving forward? we know he was so popular it seemed he had the capital to get things done. how is this effecting how he's going to make policy and govern moving forward. >> why we spend so much time

talking about it? you can equate an approval rating to political capital or clout. and this president wants to get a lot done, health care, the economy, you name it. that is why we spend so much time looking at the number. we'll find out in the next few months. >> you do spend a lot of time looking at the numbers, paul. >> i need a life. >> we appreciate you bringing the numbers to us. we appreciate you, buddy. >> mentioned big day wednesday for the president. he'll be resetting his strategy on health care reform next week. he's addressing the joint session of congress wednesday night. you can watch it right here on cnn. of course analysis of that speech and what exactly he meant by things he's saying, the white house is quietly working to draft health care legislation, talking about that, i'm sure, among the best political team on tv at 8:00 eastern on cnn. he's got to big fast tuesday

as well because he has a different audience. students. going to address the country's students as they go back to school but it's creating a bit of controversy. why, the president speaking to students? some say the classroom isn't the place for politics. what do you think? go to our blog, cnn.com/t.j. and send us your thoughts at twitter and facebook. we'll be sharing them throughout the morning. you have a clunker microwave? it was kind of on the fritz recently. >> we got it fixed though. >> i remember random things like that. you've heard of cash for clunkers, a pretty big success for car makers, now in the case for cash for clunker appliances, how you get a new energy saving stove or diswasher. keeping our finger on the pulse. we actually move with the economic times. we're not just sticking with the same product. so that's why, you know we've adjusted... ...a lot of the different processes we have in place such as rolling out more innovative products to really meet the needs of our customers. because what might have been good six months ago for them, might not be good now.

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all right, we go to home school. we got clyde with us, good to see you. we're still kind of talking about the home, but appliances in the home. cash for clunkers, very popular program. that was for cars, we have a problem now for appliances. >> we do. >> do we know for sure this is going to happen, not in place just yet? >> it's going to happen, in the fext 30 days it will be here. pretty much you have to look at it. it's a great opportunity to get money for old appliances. >> the cash for clunkers for the car, that was a federal program. this kind of sort of is but the individual states can make their

own rules. >> still using some of that stimulus money but the states are making guidelines. >> which states are we talking about? we have a lot that havecy similar rebate program. which states? i guess we have a graphic to show which states. several states already have their own programs. we don't have that graphic. we'll try to get that up. people might want to check on that. we're talking about the cash for clunkers, you still might have -- a lot of states already do this. >> what's going to happen, the cash for clunkers was huge. we're still trying to stimulate the economy, now you have an opportunity to get rid of old appliances that may not be helping carbon footprint. >> anything in the kitchen? >> for the most part the list is long, refrigerators, washers, driers, several things that help us to be green and to reduce the carbon footprint. >> how will people know which appliance is eligible? >> you have to check on the net

and find out which appliances, several sites that tell you exactly. go out and look at it, cash for appliances. >> the trade in thing with the cars, you had to get a car that was so fuel efficient and what not. do you have to get an appliance -- >> energy star appliances, they have the logo on there. that's what you want to make sure. those are the fuel efficient or low carbon footprint appliances. >> i guessener easy to find, probably people are not aware of energy star. do you have to take the old appliances in. >> no, you don't have to take your refrigerator in. but you can turn it in and they can recycle it but you don't have to do that. >> how many money can you get back? >> $50 to $200 for appliances. not as much as a car, the 4500 they have for that. it's still something, thinking about getting a new washer and dryer, you maybe could get some money out of it. >> the new look clyde anderson,

you look a little younger there, i'm sorry, i always have to do something. >> good to see you too. >> all right, we were talking about the california wildfires here but what really does it cost? josh crunching numbers for us. >> we look at the economy and what's going on, it is important to keep in mind the natural disasters also have an impact on the entire country. i'll show you how much we all pay for the wildfires. ( revving, siren blares )

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♪ a lot of people think about the bay area and bridges and thing of the golden gate first. the most important bridge is this one, the bay bridge, you can't make out -- this is from their online site. but the bay bridge this weekend, there's another shot of it. it's closed this weekend. yes the bay bridge, oakland, san francisco, back and forth, very important bridge is closed for the labor day weekend because they are doing some upgrades to this bridge, part of a project that's going to eventually have

this whole bridge stable enough to withstand a certain strength earthquake. as a part of that they have to remove a 300 foot section of it and put a different section in there. so all of that work, you've got to shut down the bridge sometime. it won't open until tuesday morning. these are just live pictures from the website. that is a mess. if in a had to happen during rush hour time. they are trying to do it on a holiday weekend, but it is a mess. >> is it the bay bridge that goes to berkeley and oakland. >> san francisco, across the bay into oakland. upper deck and lower deck. that bridge. it's shut down this weekend and everybody got a head's up. people made the proper arrangements hopefully. >> well, we have been talking firefighters staying out west here. firefighters, wildfires, two firefighters have been killed in the massive efforts underway to try to quell the flames, 42%

containment so far. what a massive task. reynolds was out there talking the story. we'll talk to him about the efforts and the cost here, the cost when it comes to fighting this thing in california and how that translates to the rest of the country. >> and it's not cheap. certainly in california they have already cash strapped, one of the most cash strapped states we have. josh looking at the cost for us. >> i started to wonder, how is it impacting the whole country. we have video, it has been so powerful. what's been coming to us throughout the week of the massive wildfires. you can see, it's so powerful. what i want to do is show you these financial facts. there's a government agency called the western forestry leadership council. it may cost 50 million to suppress a fire, you may need to multiply that up to 30 times to figure out ultimately how much

it cost the country, when you factor in jobs lost and health problems, environmental problems, up to 30 times and the next screen shows a private group, the wildland fire lessons center, may need to multiply it 50 times to figure out what the long-term costs of the fires. "the los angeles times", the forest service was spending about $300 million ten years ago to quash fires. that by last year had gone up to $1.37 billion just for that one government agency and that is just to try to fight the fires. and the reason is right here for you. because these fires are becoming bigger, fiercer and costlier. and this is what the "loss aching less times" is saying, that in turn affects the entire country. you think about the suppression cost. then you multiply it, 30 times,

50 times. that is the impact it is having financially on this country, back to you. >> it might be an odd question, would there be any kind of benefit financially speaking from the wildfires? >> i'm glad you said that. there are a few and to be fair we should mention that. there are some jobs created short term. some jobs created long term. and there are whether or not some species helped by that which can affect the economy in a positive way. there are few benefits as well. still a massive cost. >> thank you so much. we'll get to our top stories again at the top of the hour when cnn "saturday morning" continues live. housecall is starting right after this break. roasted chicken recipe? okay, savory rice and lamb stew. [ barks ] you're right. tonight is a beef stew kind of night. you've made another fine choice. look at those beefy chunks all packed with protein, the real vitamin-rich vegetables, the wholesome grains.

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