sharks i've run into thispy life. >> more pleasant to deal with too. don't get on miss bad side. that does it for this edition of "360." thanks for watching. larry king starts right now. >> larry: tonight, remembering ted kennedy. the passing of the lion of the senate. torn by tragedy, troubled by scandal, thwarted in his own white house bid, ted kennedy took a stand on liberal principles and claimed his place on the national landscape. we recall his life and listen to his words. next on this special edition of "larry king live." thanks for joining us. ted kennedy was an american legend. while his last name garnered him a great deal of attention, his career in the senate allowed him

to carve his own legacy. the youngest of nine children, he outlived all three of his brothers, joe jr., jack and bobby, he entered the senate in 1962 and over the decades emerged as an influential and iconic figure in the democratic party. i had the privilege of interviewing senator kennedy several times. we often talked about his family legacy and world-famous last name. what is it like to be a kennedy, to be ted kennedy? i mean it. you drive around and there's the kennedy center. then there's the kennedy -- the grave site. it can never leave you. it can't leave you. you live and you work here. what is that like? >> well, i think the first impression that i always had is how fortunate i've been to have grown up in a family and been able to learn what i tried to learn and continue to learn.

but most of all learn what i did from wonderful parents and great brothers and sisters. my sisters do very many interesting and caring things as well, as you're familiar with. >> larry: does it ever become common mace? >> so you have the challenges of being measured against the past. but that's really sort of a challenge, isn't it? that's to measure up. it's a high standard and you work at it and some days you measure up. >> larry: do you feel emotional? >> oh, well, that's another, you know -- personal sense of loss is obviously -- continues to -- >> larry: can't leave you because it's always around you. >> well, that's true. but you try and remember at least the more hopeful times of those who you loved, impressed you with.

and they were -- both brothers and sisters were enormously lively, interesting, and fun people. as my parents were. they wanted you to be involved. and my father was a wonderful letter writer, to all the members, large family, nine of us. and when i was 8 years old, i make reference to the letter he wrote me. he was in london. he was ambassador to london, the war was on. and hi had been over there and sent home when the bombing really intensified in london. and he wrote me a letter about, to the bombing and how it was destroying people's lives and how he would hope that when i grew up, that you could work to try and avoid the wars and try and work to lessen the kinds of suffering that people would have as a result of conflict and war. >> larry: tough father? >> yeah, but a wonderful,

inspiring -- >> larry: loving? >> loving. caring, tough. he had a sense of expectation for each of us. and it always -- >> larry: was high? >> he was -- there was -- my niece, amanda smith, did a wonderful collection of letters, put them together in a book. my older brother, joe, would write back, dear dad, i got four as and one b plus. i'm going to work like anything to get that b plus up to another "a." my brother jack would have two cs or four cs and a "d." he'd be looking for his allowance. you could see as life went on, the letters from jack began to get better and more eloquent. >> president kennedy takes tea with the clan at the farmhouse where his paternal great grandfather was born. the town has never seen a day like this before and the irish

wit flows like tea. >> larry: i was telling the senator the late jim bishops was interviewing his mother once and asked her about john kennedy's trip to ireland, very famous trip as president, and mrs. kennedy, your mother, said, when he was in ireland he mentioned the kennedys a lot but he didn't mention the sherrills a lot. when i see john i'm going to bring that up to him. you said you had a story about that. >> when he came back to boston, he had one of the press ask him that question, why he didn't mention fitzgeralds. he said when he first campaigned for congress with grandpa fitzgerald, he ran in that district, grandpa had been elected to congress in 1896 with three terms and came back and was mayor of boston. when he campaigned with my brother, right after the war, my brother came back from the pacific, he said we traveled around the district, grandpa would be in a certain part of the district which would be settled by people from cork and he'd pretend he was from cork.

then they'd go to a different part of the district and he said he was from sligo. he'd go to a different place and said he was from there. my brother said, i never knew where grandpa was from. my mother heard that story. she didn't accept it completely but it was a good story. >> larry: ted kennedy. father, uncle, patriarch of an american dynasty. stay with us. most people try to get rid of algae, and we're trying to grow it. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green. algae could be converted into biofuels... that we could someday run our cars on. in using algae to form biofuels, we're not competing with the food supply.

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>> larry: the assassination of robert f. kennedy in june of '68 left ted as the only surviving kennedy brother in his generation. the death of his father, joe kennedy sr., made him the patriarch of a sprawling clan. i asked him what being the head of his family was like? >> a wonderful experience. i mean, the circumstances that brought it about, obviously, remain with me every day. but they are really wonderful. so many of them are doing such interesting things. i know my brother jack, my brother bobby would be enormously proud of their children. so they're a great source of joy and fun.

and now they're all of age, a lot of them are of age where they're taking on the sort of responsibilities, the camping trips, things which i used to have to organize years ago. they're good enough to invite me on them. i feel very lucky because of that whole experience. >> larry: can you take a step back, senator, and explain what it is about the family that keeps them going? >> well, i think like many other families, we had -- were blessed with two parents, different but complementary in so many ways, that made a very special house. at least i think most family members would feel that way about their own home. and wonderful brothers and sisters, all of whom are best of friends, all different personalities. and the -- >> larry: overcoming tragedy, is there -- >> i think my mother really probably sort of set the standard.

>> here is a very charming little picture of ted with his father at the embassy. >> my father as well, in a very important way. and that was a sustaining force. i think her example at the most difficult times and her ability to try and continue to be hopeful and optimistic, i think obviously helped. >> here is ted, our youngest son. in front of his father. he had the great distinction of receiving his first holy communion from pope pius xii. >> larry: after john was killed, she was very sad but she said, i'll, him someday. >> she was inspirational of faith and it's had a powerful impact on her children and the grandchildren. i think those who are closest to her, her friends, she's a strong believer. she lives her faith.

she uses her faith in a positive way. it's a hopeful faith. she doesn't have time for the negative aspects of faith. it's a powerful, hopeful -- >> larry: she didn't walk around like the catholic sinner? >> no. >> larry: which can happen. >> that's right. the guilt feeling. that's -- probably nothing really for her to feel guilty about, number one. it's a hopeful, optimistic. it's the resurrection. >> another kennedy has thrown his hat into the national political arena. edward m., or ted, officially announces his campaign for the massachusetts senate seat once held by his brother the president. >> larry: why public service? you didn't have to. you don't need this. you don't have to serve in the senate. a lot of business is available to you. you could travel the globe. you could lazy life through in a sense. why take the trials and tribulations at this point? it seems the minuses outweigh the pluses.

>> well, the -- public service was something which was very important in our family from the early beginnings. it took elective office with regards to president kennedy, my brother bob and myself. but it has taken other forms, my sisters, my sister eunice has been very much involved in the founding of the special olympics program, which is all over this country. provides very special opportunities for those that are mentally retarded. >> larry: where does that come from? >> my sister, jeanne, a very special arts program. it was rooted in the concept that this country has been a very important and powerful country, that my father was able to benefit from and that we ought to give something back to america in terms of all that it has given to us. >> larry: you feel you owe it back? >> it isn't a question of sort of an obligation. it's -- as much to the country

as a sense of feeling about our fellow human beings. it's about how you might be able to have an impact, a positive impact, on the people. >> the younger brother of the president scored an overwhelming victory in the democratic primary, capturing 69% of the vote. >> i think my father believed strongly that america should represent sort of the level playing field and then individual initiatives can move ahead. you don't have to -- the one point my brothers all pointed out, you don't have to be a senator or congressman to make a difference. all you have to do is be involved. i would just hope that for my nieces and nephews they would have the constructive and positive and useful lives. they don't have to be elected, necessarily. woman: when we're fixing food for the game, bush's baked beans

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i'll support the candidate who inspires me, who inspires all of us, who can lift our vision and summon our hopes and renew our belief that our country's best days are still to come.

my friends, i ask you to join in this historic journey to have the courage to choose change. it's time again for a new generation of leadership. it is time now for barack obama. >> the year i was born, president kennedy let out word the torch had been passed to a new generation of americans. he was right, it had. it was passed to his youngest brother. from the battles of the 1960s to the battles of today, he has carried that torch, lighting the way for all who share his american ideals. >> larry: the kennedy family has been a fixture of democratic party politics since the 1890s. ted kennedy was the second kennedy brother to serve in the u.s. senate. first elected in 1962, at age 30.

when i spoke with him in 1996, i asked about his family's involvement in public service. how many kennedys are now in office? >> five the last count. >> larry: you, joe -- >> congressman joe kennedy, congressman patrick kennedy. my son is doing a wonderful job. joe is, too. in rhode island. then kathleen townsend, lieutenant governor of maryland. mark shriver is doing very well. >> larry: how is it coming? >> i think they'll all -- i'm just glad i won't be around for the iowa primary in the next century. i think he has an interest in public affairs. he's on the institute of politics, school of government, up in harvard. i saw him on monday. he's very involved with not only his project in terms of his magazine but he's interested in

young people, he's interested in issues. he reads, he's interested in history. >> america is better because of the leadership of edward kennedy. may he continue to guide us for many years to come. ladies and gentlemen, my uncle, ted kennedy. >> larry: that still exists, the togetherness in the kennedys? >> yes. >> larry: doesn't go away, right? >> yes. it's one of the great, lucky things of my family. >> larry: that gathering concept. it is familial. it's a touching family, too, right? >> very much so. >> larry: the boys get along. go for each other kind of family? >> absolutely. >> larry: did that start with your grandfather? >> i had heard. he -- you know. he took a great interest in his. i think he created that sort of environment and that ethos within the family and it passed on. >> the energy, the faith, the

devotion which we bring to this endeavor will unite our country and all who serve it. and the glow from that fire can truly light the world. >> larry: probably memories of your father are not great. >> they're great but they're not plentiful. >> larry: or of your uncle robert, right? >> they're more vivid of him. >> larry: you were how old when he died? >> i was 8. >> larry: that's a vivid memory to you. >> fairly. >> larry: really? >> he was a vivid character. he was quite a forceful presence. >> larry: was he involved in raising you, too? >> at times. i mean, he -- raising many of us. all of us in our family, teddy and bobby really, one of the things they took great interest in was the family and the cousins and making a kind of sense of community, especially in the summertime. >> in our family he's never missed a first communion, a graduation or a chance to walk

one of his nieces down the aisle. he has a special relationship with each of us. and his 60 great nieces and nephews all know the best cookies and the best laughs are always found at uncle teddy's. >> i think teddy has shown a tremendous amount of courage in his career. there's somebody who compromises and always is working for the ideals he believes in. >> larry: do the kennedys gather like they used to, all of them together? >> it's hard to gather so many people. >> larry: how many are there? >> we went to mt. vernon a couple of weeks ago. >> larry: all of you? >> not all of us but many of us. grand children, great grand children. >> larry: how many of you? >> you keep asking me that. i think you know. >> i think there's around 70 something or 80 something. >> i'll return to the united states senate. my game and my goal is to be the best united states senator. in that i pledge i will be. thank you.

>> larry: you've been there 44 years. running again, right? >> yes. >> larry: how long you want to stay? >> i say until i get the hang of it. i usually get that question from my nieces and nephews. wondering how long are you going to stay. >> larry: you've been called one of the great senators of all time, "time" magazine dubbed you the dealmaker. that must be a great honor to you. you like the senate, obviously. >> i enjoy it. >> larry: when we return, we'll delve into serious matters, tragedy and trouble. a look at losses ted kennedy and his family suffered. and the scandal that shattered his life and career. stay with us. rogaine? i'm just a skeptic so i don't necessarily believe that anything is going to work but i was like, hey, this actually works. (announcer) only rogaine foam is shown to regrow hair in 85% of guys. i'll check it out and i'm like, nice. (announcer) rogain foam. stop losing. start gaining.

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three shots were fired at president kennedy's motorcade in downtown dallas.

>> this is the scene at the hospital as the body of president kennedy has been taken to dallas' love field. >> ask not -- >> thanks to all of you. let's go on to chicago and let's win this. >> robert f. kennedy, 43 years old, died the next day. >> those of us who loved him and take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will someday come to pass for all the world. >> larry: the assassinations of john and robert kennedy shook this country to the core. they were the most violent manifestations of what some have called the kennedy curse, a series of public and personal tragedies that have plagued this american dynasty over the decades. after the tragedy that happened in the family, did you give a conscious thought to saying, i have had two brothers -- lose lives in elected office, i

think i'm going to leave it. >> not really. >> larry: really? that would have been -- >> well, it wouldn't have been the kind of thing that would have honored their memories. not that i'm in it just in that sense but the thought never really crossed my mind. we've had our share of difficulties and tragedies in the family. but by and large, not greatly different from most families around the country. >> misfortune strikes the kennedy family once again. senator edward m. kennedy was seriously injured when his private plane crashed in the woods near southampton, massachusetts. the senator was on his way to the state democratic convention where he was renominated when the plane crashed in a heavy fog. >> larry: how many people have survived? do you think about it a lot? >> when it's bothering me, i always remember loss of a great friend, ed moss.

i always remember evan bayh's father, birch bayh. he saved my life, dragged me out of that plane. risked going back to the plane because it could have caught on fire. >> larry: hindsight? >> in hindsight, planes are dangerous. i don't fly in bad weather. >> larry: you don't fly? >> if it's bad weather at all. it's very easy. i'll come next year at this time. >> on chappaquiddick island, off martha's vineyard, i made a repeated effort to save mary jo by diving into the strong and murky current. this morning i entered a plea of guilty to leaving the scene of an accident. no words on my part can possibly express the terrible pain and suffering i feel over this tragic incident. >> larry: do you think the chappaquiddick thing will ever go away? there have been two recent

books. >> it's a tragedy i will live with for the rest of my life. and for the rest -- i don't -- there's no way of really knowing. >> larry: did you ever say to yourself -- i would have been president without that. >> no, i don't. >> larry: you do not? no, i don't. no, i think it would be -- as i've said many times, there's a tragedy, i've taken responsibility for it. i'm very much involved in the actions of the senate. >> larry: do you -- >> no, i don't. i've been until the business too long. 28 years -- you have to or you're not going to be able to have an impact in terms of -- >> larry: in other words, you can tune it out. you know that the book window is featuring the book -- >> you have to be able to do that in this business. otherwise you're going to spend too much of your time looking over your shoulder on a variety of choices and decisions.

i don't really now spend the time worrying. this is the first time i've been asked about it in three years. >> larry: there are two recent books. >> sure. no, i've been around the last two or three years since they've been out. i think -- i'm involved in the senate, the leadership, in trying to in a constructive way on a variety of different domestic issues -- i don't spend any time. >> larry: from personal tragedy to the politics of fear. that's next on this special edition of "larry king live." >> to them i say, i recognize my own shortcomings. the conduct of my private life. i realize that i, alone, am responsible for them. and i am the one who must confront them.

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this just in. you're looking at obviously a very disturbing live shot there. that is the world trade center. we have unconfirmed reports this morning that a plane has crashed into one of the towers of the world trade center.

>> you can see the cut of the incision into the building is sideways. the plane was slightly on its side. that's why many people think it was in distress. when it obviously hit, it was almost no doubt that it was, you know, intentional. it kind of went in in slow motion, looked like something out of the movie. it came out the north side where it impacted and a huge explosion blew out the south side. it was huge explosions. >> ted kennedy was in his senate office when the first terrorist plane struck the world trade center, september 11th, 2001. he was later joined by first lady laura bush who had come to capitol hill to testify before the committee that he chaired. >> all of us deplore the acts of terrorism that we have seen in these past minutes. >> our hearts and our prayers go out to the victims of this act of terrorism and that our

support goes to the rescue workers. >> larry: he told me in 2006 that she showed great composure and strength as the events of that terrible day unfolded. senator kennedy also spoke about how he felt the bush administration used the anxieties created by 9/11. >> it's really been the issue of the politics of fear. we went through the period of 9/11 over this extraordinary assault in our country. and americans took that to heart. it burned very deeply. we had 188 families in my own state of massachusetts that were directly affected by that tragedy. and the depth of sadness and loss, it was so real and so deep. and americans took this across the board very deeply. but i think back in other times that this country has challenged. and we were really facing annihilation, cuban missile

crisis where we could have had a nuclear war, perhaps world war ii, lincoln, at the time we had the civil war, washington at the revolutionary war, and our great leaders never went to the politics of fear. they had the politics of hope. we're going to do better. we're going to come together. americans accept a challenge and we move on from here. it's the politics of fear that i think has been dominated the last four years. and that has been something, it's karl rove's mantra to win politic elections. and that, i think, eventually catches up. >> this administration feels it's above the law and the american people and our constitution pay the price. there is no accountability. there is no oversight. >> in the united states senate, when we go back over the last couple months, the two constitutional issues that we'll

be facing is the constitutional amendment on same-sex marriage and constitutional amendment on flag burning. in order to whip up the base. whip up their base, trying to get them out, rather than dealing with the kinds of challenges that people are concerned about today. and that is the cost of gasoline prices, the explosion in terms of tuition for their kids to go to school. the fact that people are concerned about whether their pensions are going to still be there now. the range of other issues. health care costs. >> larry: will that override the fear issue? >> well, i believe so. i basically am a politician of hope. and i think people have really had enough of the past. >> larry: the title of your book is interesting. "back on track." >> sure. >> larry: when were we on track? when did it go off track?

>> when i sort of entered the political process, helping my brother, seeing him get elected in the '60s, we had had a whole new generation that really came back from world war ii. young people had accepted great responsibility. and then they got elected, went into public service. and we had a vision about the soviet union. we're going to have containment of the soviet union. we were dealing with the issues of nuclear proliferation abroad. you know what we did here at home? we responded to the leadership of dr. king. we addressed the issue, which our founding fathers failed on, the issue of race. we dealt with that in the early 1960s. republicans and democrats, the country came together, knocked down the walls of discrimination. >> there are more than 200,000, thronging the mall. a crowd that is bigger than the most optimistic forecast. now there's a growing animation. it seems as if the demonstrators are finding strength in each other. >> we did all of this part here.

this is democrats and republicans. it was the vision. we were saying what do we need to do here? americans are prepared to respond. i look at where we are at the present time. >> terrorists like bin laden are serious about mass murder, and all of us must take their declared intentions seriously. >> it's the politics of fear. and that i've seen being ineffective. because americans are naturally, all people are, concerned in terms of their security, they're concerned about their security generally, about themselves and particularly about their families and they're concerned about the security of homeland security. >> larry: but is the administration doing a good job in those areas? in other words, if you're playing to fear, are you doing it well in the handling of it? >> well, this is where, i think as we're seeing americans now, are, as i think they have been,

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saddam hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction. and he cannot be trusted. members of congress are nearing a historic vote. i'm confident they will fully consider the facts. and their duties. >> larry: ted kennedy was first elected to the senate in 1962. he cast a lot of votes during his decades of service. but he had no doubt about which mattered most to him. >> the best vote i cast in the united states senate was -- >> larry: the best? >> the best vote i cast in the united states senate -- >> larry: in your life? >> absolutely. >> larry: was not to go to war? >> yes, not to go. the american people deserve to know what a conflict in iraq

might be like. none of us can foresee the course of events that will unfold if we go to war. before congress acts, the administration has an obligation to explain to the congress and the american people the potential consequences of war. as of now, it has not. >> larry: why did you vote against? >> i'm on the armed services committee, and i was inclined to support the administration when we started the hearings, the armed services committee. it was enormously interesting to me that those that had been -- that were the -- in the armed forces that had served in combat were universally opposed to going. we had wes clark. he testified in opposition to going to war. we had general zinni, general nash.

we had a series of different military officials, a number of whom had been involved in the gulf i war, others involved in kosovo, and had distinguished records in vietnam, battle-hardened combat military figures. virtually all of them said no, this is not going to work. >> larry: that moved you? >> and that really was a -- influenced me to the greatest degree. >> that's it. there it is. >> go! >> where are you going? >> take cover! >> and the second point that influenced me was the -- in the time that we were having the briefings -- and these were classified, they've been declassified now -- when secretary rumsfeld came up and said there are weapons of mass

destruction north, south, east and west of baghdad. this was his testimony in the armed services committee. i kept saying, well, if they're not finding any of the weapons of mass destruction, where is the imminent threat to the united states security? it didn't make sense. >> how do we re-establish the working relationships we need with other countries to win the war on terrorism and advance the ideals we share? and how can we possibly expect president bush to do that? he's the problem, not the solution. iraq is george bush's vietnam and this country needs a new president. >> larry: you said today that iraq is george bush's vietnam and this country needs a new president. vietnam was started under a democratic administration. how do you compare the two? >> we're facing a quagmire in iraq just as we faced a quagmire in vietnam. we didn't understand what we were getting ourselves into in

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♪ as democrats we recognize that each generation of americans has a rendezvous with a different reality. the answers of one generation become the questions of the next generation. >> larry: in 1980 ted kennedy ran for president. almost got the party's nomination, barely losing to the incumbent jimmy carter. his speech at the convention and reaction on the floor is the stuff political legends are made of. ted kennedy had the gift of

public eloquence when he spoke out in the spotlight of major public events, people listened. let's look at some of those moments now. starting with the 1980 democratic convention. >> we are the party of the new freedom, the new deal and the new frontier. we have always been the party of hope. so this year let us offer new hope. new hope to an america uncertain about the present, but unsurpassed in its potential for the future. for me, a few hours ago, this campaign came to an end. for all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes

on, the cause endorsed, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die. the vice president says he never saw or can't remember or did not comprehend the intelligence report on general noriega's involvement in the cocaine cartel. so when that report was being prepared and discussed, i think it's fair to ask, where was george? i have stood with so many of you in so many great causes. the times have changed. but the ideals are the same. we have only just begun to fight. we will never give up. we will never give in. and in 1992 we are going to win. will we comfort the comfortable or will we strengthen the fabric

of this country for all americans? our capacity to do better has never been greater. let us not turn back to old policies and old ways that favor the few at the expense of the many. yes, we are all americans. this is what we do. we reach the moon. we scale the heights. i know it. i've seen it. i've lived it. and we can do it again. there is a new wave of change all around us. and if we set our compass true, we will reach our destination.

not merely victory for our party. but renewal for our nation. and this november, the torch will be passed again to a new generation of americans. so with barack obama and for you and for me, our country will be committed to his cause. the work begins anew. the hope rises again. and the dream lives on. >> larry: edward moore kennedy was a man of many parts and many passions. his life was shaped by both triumph and tragedy, born into a family of privilege and power, much of his work in the senate was directed toward trying to help ordinary people. as "time" magazine once put it, he amassed a titanic record of

legislation affecting the lives of virtually every man, woman and child in the country. and that record may be ted kennedy's most lasting legacy. and one of the truest measures of the man that he was. i'm larry king. thanks for watching. >> in short, i will continue to fight the good fight. i will continue to see issues in the way i have always sought to see them, not as numbers and words, but as individuals and families with worries and dreams. we must resist disillusionment, the tendency of politics to be cautious and cynical. john kennedy believed so strongly one's aim should not just be the most comfortable life possible but thate