everything else, you give it over to the dust. it's this very fine like moon dust. it's one of the small difficulties troops are facing here. that's it for us from camp jaker. see you tomorrow night. "larry king" starts right now. >> larry: tonight judge judy is outraged. that rapist philip garrido was left out of prison. free to allegedly snatch jaycee dug guard off the street and keep her locked in a shed for 18 years. tv's tough talker puts sex phoneders on notice. they'll be behind bars forever if she has her way. plus exclusive, the police detective's daughter who was kidnapped and murdered, she dialed 911 from the killer's own phone. a witness who knew she was in trouble made another frantic call. why didn't police find denise lee before it was too late?

her husband speaks publicly for the first time since her murder trial, the heartbreaking crime that left two children without a mother and could send a monster to the chair, next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening, one reminder following the president's speech tomorrow to both elements of congress, we will follow it with a major panel discussion, that's following president obama's health speech tomorrow night, a major panel discussion right here. judy sheindlin presides over the top-rated tv court show, "judge judy." the 14th season of "judge judy" premiers am night. congratulations. >> thank you. >> larry: the jaycee dug guard case. a girl kidnapped at age 11, allegedly held captive by this convicted rapist and his wife for 18 years, bore two daughters, finally found and freed. you're a mother, you're a

grandmother and you're a judge. give me your read. >> well, first of all, i don't think she allegedly was kidnapped. she was kidnapped. >> larry: he's the alleged person. >> he's the alleged person. there's certain things we know -- >> i didn't say she was allegedly. i said allegedly held captive -- >> there's no question she was held captive. she's 11 years old. she's held captive. the only question is who did it. >> larry: we kind of thing this guy may have done it. >> kind thing he may have done it. i think the thing that should outrage people is that he was out of prison and you and i have talked about that before. so i was thinking, and i said, i have to kvetch, call and kvetch to larry. parole boards have to say to themselves as every person in the criminal justice system involved in the system has to say to themselves, the safety of the community is our primary

responsibility. rehabilitation is second. because rehabilitation as far as we know hasn't worked in the vast majority of cases where we have tried it. because the recidivism rate is well over half, probably close to 70%. so despite the trillions of dollars that we spend, rehabilitation doesn't work. therefore, safety of the community has to be number one. here is a man who was sentenced federally to 50 years in prison. and he was paroled from federal penitentiary after serving 11 years. because he had also committed a state offense by raping a 24-year-old woman in the state of nevada, he was transported back to the state of nevada. where he had been sentenced to five to 15 years. i guess the state of nevada

said, if it was good enough for the feds to let him go, who are we to keep him? so after seven months they let him go. the one thing in all the reading that i have tried to do is, tried to find out what was in the mind of to the people who signed off on paroling him. that would be the interesting thing. not even so much why the parole officer didn't find her. some people are very devious and some parole officers are terrific and some are dumb. so that's possible. but what was in the minds of the people -- >> larry: how would we know that unless you ask them. >> you can ask them. >> larry: we asked one guy, the head of the state board. he explained it. that that's the time, he had a parole hearing -- you know, if -- i'm going to be devil's advocate, weirdly in this case which is impossible, almost. under your system, why haven't communities guaranteed safe, nobody gets out, you would need more prisons.

>> under my -- first of all, no one explained why he was released because that report has been sealed. i have not seen that report anywhere. somebody wants to send it to us, you and i can renew this debate. >> larry: i'm not debating you. >> but that report has been sealed. but there are certain criteria. in my world, the first criteria would be would you want this person to live next door to you? if the answer to that question is no, you need not proceed further with this questionnaire. because it is irrelevant whether he ate his broccoli, whether he finished his string beans, whether he got his ged. >> larry: you're talking about rapists. you agree a bank robber could be rehabilitated? could a bank robber -- >> i'm saying any violent felon who is sentenced after a trial by a judge who has heard from

the victims, heard from the witnesses, a violent felon, someone who goes into your home and burglarizes your home with you in it at night and holds a knife to your throat while they go through your property and takes your wife and holds a knife to her throat and then goes into your baby's room and grabs them out of bed, that's a violent crime. >> larry: how do you write that law because a violent felon would also be a husband who hits his wife. and is sentenced to six months. you'd keep him forever. >> no, no, no. >> larry: why? that's violent. >> the answer, if you would want, if you would feel comfortable having this person with this entire history living next to you, check it off and go to question number two. finished his ged, finished all of this. what i think people fail to realize in the criminal justice system is that those people, if they're smart enough, and we

hope that they're smart, have heard from victims, have seen the evidence, have seen the photographs and you are removed -- >> larry: so what is your conclusion? are they idiots? are they malicious? >> no, but they're looking at the one person that's sitting before them and they're saying to themselves, look, he did everything he was supposed to do. that was ten years ago. he's turned around, he is a bornagain -- >> larry: can't people testify at parole hearings, victims, against him? >> they weren't even -- in this case, in jaycee's case, they weren't -- the prior victim wasn't even notified of the hearing. >> larry: that's absurd. >> wasn't notified of the hearing, nor was the prosecutor. so the only person who was interviewed was the defendant, was the subject of the proceeding. that's ridiculous. >> larry: as she said, phillip garrido was on parole when jaycee was abducted.

judge judy has voiced her strong opinions on sex offenders, incarceration and rehab, many times on they show. this is not like a new view. watch this. isn't the whole purpose of the significant top -- system rehabilitation? >> well, larry, that's part of the purpose of the system. >> larry: punishment is a purpose too? >> i think punishment is part of it. part of it is to keep society -- a big piece is to keep society safe, for me. incarceration is supposed to keep the community safe from your behavior and if you don't -- because rehabilitation, despite the fact that we have spent trillions of dollars on various forms of rehabilitation, the only way to cure a pedophile is to kill him. there is no other cure. and what has happened -- >> larry: capitally punish every convicted pedophile? >> unless you want to put him somewhere in the sahara and make sure that they can't get away.

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jaycee and her daughters are with her mom and younger sister in a secluded place reconnecting. i was with them until recently. we spent time sharing memories and stories and getting to know

each other again. jaycee remembers all of us. she is especially enjoying getting to know her little sister who was just a baby when jaycee was taken. >> larry: now what do you think the idea of a registry that we all know where they are? after they're paroled? or served their time? >> i guarantee you not one of them is living next to you in beverly hills and not one of them is living next to me in greenwich, not one of them is living next door to me in naples, florida. the question has to be, if you would not be comfortable paroling this person to live next door to you -- >> larry: everything goes back to you? >> no, everything goes back to common sense. everything goes back to common sense.

sure, it's wonderful to feel that the human condition can be changed, the mind can be rewired, everybody can do better, you can change everybody and the truth of the matter is based upon my 40 years' experience in the justice system and added to that, my husband's 45 or 50 years in the system, we know that there are certain people that are just wired wrong. and evil. >> larry: what does that do to the judeo christian ethos of forgiveness -- >> it's practical, practical. >> larry: change. >> and if you are one of those people and i heard in a prior clip, i said you either have to kill them or put them away so they can't hurt anybody else. all right. capital punishment, whether you're for it or against it, let's say you're against it. build more jails, you want to keep them away, build more jails, make it part of the stimulus package. not everything can be building a bridge and a sewer.

>> larry: phillip and nancy garrido are accused of holding jaycee dugard captive in the backyard of their home in antioch, california. philip garrido as registered sex offender. if you go to the national registry and type in the zip code for this area -- the county has about 1,700 registered sex offenders. what do you do with that? if i find out the guy living two blocks away is -- what do i do? not go by his house? keep the children two blocks away? what do i do? >> you're asking me in my world, in my world, a sex -- someone who is a predatory sex offender -- and we're not talking about a 21-year-old kid who has sex with a 15-year-old girl who looks 18 and is wearing high heels. we're talking about the kind of guy like this guy. who planned to kidnap a woman, took her to a

storage unit that he had outfitted with pornography, held her captive for hours, put her through something from which she will never recover. and some genius interviews him 11 years later and says, well, he ate all his broccoli. and he got a ged. and he married some other lunatic who married this sex offender when she was coming to visit another lunatic in federal prison, so we think he's all ready to re-enter society. the person who recommended that, i'm sure in the caveat says, she's not -- he's not moving into 90210 zip code, he's not moving into my zip code, he's moving to nevada. maybe nevada will keep him. nevada says, we're not going to support this guy. if he was good enough for the feds to parole, we're sending him back to california.

>> larry: i don't mean to laugh. >> it doesn't all come back to me. it comes back to common sense. and it comes back to people making the judgments for other people's lives and the first priority has to be the safety of the community. not whether phillip ate his green beans. >> larry: is there a sex offender living in your neighborhood? we're going to show you how to find out. we'll do it in 60 seconds. so, ? these are hot. we're shipping 'em everywhere. but we can't predict our shipping costs.

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sair ras going to call it up now. we'll see where the sectix offenders are and you'll see who they are as well. sarah is at the machine, she clicks it in. it's coming up. there they are. what does all this mean? >> there are eight categories. the color you need to know about is red. those are the offenses committed against children. as you can see, there's a lot of red. if you click on each square, you will learn more about the offender, who he is, what he did, and where he lives. larry? >> larry: that's our area now? whatever, we have a lot of reds in this area? >> yes, larry, we do. and as you can see, we have got a lot of red. those are the ones -- we should be concerned about all the colors, obviously. but the red are those crimes committed against children. those are the ones we should be focusing on.

>> larry: judge, what's your comment? >> my comment is do you want all of those reds living next to you? and if the answer is no, people have to start getting real. and say, there are certain people who are just, despite our best efforts and despite all of god's good work, are wired wrong. there's just something in there that we can't take care of. and even if 25% of them will not recidivate, are we willing to risk the other 75% of our children? if you have a sex offender and let us assume that he doesn't grab another child, but exposes himself to your 6-year-old little girl who's waiting for the school bus. i remember i was a young girl my friend elena and i were walking. in front of a convent, a man walked by in a reason coat and

flashed ee eed us. i was so more than 6 or 7 years old. that is still so vivid in my mind today. and that is nothing. can you imagine somebody being touched, being fondled? i can't. >> larry: we have all this information on our website. cnn.com/larryking. click on our blog for more. nancy grade dougthanancy garrid. is she a victim? next. game time costs less at walmart. save money. live better. walmart. i'm more active, i eat right, and i switched to new one a day women's active metabolism. a complete women's multivitamin plus more for metabolism support. and that's a change i feel good about. new from one a day.

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cried together, but we have spent time sitting quietly, taking pleasure in each other's company. we are so very grateful to have her home. the smile on my sister's face is as wide as the sea. her oldest daughter is finally home. >> larry: judge, how do you explain -- you're a family court judge. how would you explain to the two children that phillip garrido fathered with this abductee who know him as a father and know her as a mother? what would you say to them? he raped -- >> i don't know. i don't know. it's not my role. it's not my role. but you just think of how many victims there are. because of somebody's misjudgment. certainly she, certainly her two children, certainly her mother, her stepfather who lived a life under suspicion that he was the one who had something to do with abducting her. and all of the people that were

touched by this evildoer, this badly wired evildoer. i remember years ago my husband did a trial with a pedophile who had a long rap sheet of pedophilia. appeared before a lot of judges who said, there's a chance for him, we have to send him to school, sex offender school, he has to go to school when he's in jail. finally committed another act. and he appeared before jerry sheindlin. he said it's not my fault because i'm wired wrong. it may be. it may be. that was his defense. i can't help myself. they can't help themselves. they can't help themselves. we need places for people who can't help themselves. you don't put them back in the community. you put them where they can't hurt anybody. >> larry: what about mrs. garrido? >> do i sound shrill when i say that? >> larry: deservedly shrill. >> i am.

>> larry: what about mrs. garrido, what do you make of her? we've got more to learn here. >> we have a lot to learn here. i doubt the sanity of anybody who decides to be a pen pal of a prisoner and then goes and marries them while they're in federal prison. i have to say, what would i tell my daughter if my daughter said to me, i'm going to marry a man who's been convicted of a violent rape, in a storage unit, and we're getting married because we're going to live a happy life together. i mean, larry, you're laughing. but what would i say to my daughter? it doesn't make sense, right? >> larry: it's absurd. >> it's absurd. >> larry: what was going on in that house, what do the kids think mrs. garrido was? there were two mrs. garridos in the house. >> they'll never be able to figure out their lives. you know. they'll try, they'll go to therapy and they'll have bonding sessions and they'll have time together, but their lives will always be screwed up.

you know, little things happen to us during the course of our lives when we were children that stay with us. i read your book. little things. i know in my own childhood, little things stayed with me. but we're able to overcome, you know, they weren't so tragic we weren't able to overcome. these children can't overcome. >> larry: what do you think it's like for children who were molested by priests, do you think that's different? or is molesting is molesting? >> molesting is molesting. will they recover? will they ever recover? these people are wired wrong. not only are they wired wrong but they were placed in a position where they knew they were going to be dealing with vulnerable children, and they knew what their plan was. >> larry: yeah. by the way, investigators are looking into other abductions in the area to see if there's any link and an expert has determined that the bone fragment found in the backyard of garrido's neighbor is probably human.

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>> larry: we're back with judge judy discussing -- i don't know if this is even discuss an. how do you analyze things like this? why mistakes are made -- you said the interesting thing, you said if bernie madoff

developed cancer and had three months to live, he would probably not be paroled. >> correct. >> larry: never killed anyone, never committed a violent crime. >> didn't kill 270 people. >> larry: someone who killed 270 people got off? >> not got off. went back to libya in order to die. right? >> larry: yeah. >> it was -- scotland said, that's what we do, that's compassionate release. he killed 270 people. but i guarantee you that bernie madoff would die in jail. he didn't kill anybody. i'm not saying that they should release him. if god forbid he had cancer, he should die in jail with whatever medical facilities that they have for him. but i'm saying to you that the system is screwed up, larry. that every person in law enforcement, kudos to those people who are security people on campus that brought this ultimately to the attention of the authorities. and there will be people out there who will say, well, she

operated on a hunch and we don't like law enforcement people to operate on hunches. well, having been in law enforcement, i will tell you, as a judge, i always felt my first responsibility was to protect the public, do justice, but to protect the public. and that's where people should come from. that's the primary job of the president of the united states. to make sure that his country is safe. >> larry: correct. >> primary job, that's what his job is. primary job of a governor, a mayor, judges, police officers. those people who are charged with the judgment of making the rest of us safe, that has to be their first question. >> larry: speaking of judgment, i'm going to be talking with nathan lee very shortly, his wife denise was abducted from their florida home, she was raped and killed in january of 2008. last week, a jury unanimously recommended the death penalty for her murderer.

it seems like a horribly random crime and the perpetrator apparently had no criminal record. this was a woman who had the perpetrator's cell phone, dialed 911. nothing. >> you're not suggesting that it's the cell phone's fault that nothing happened, that it was the 911 operator. and larry, may have no criminal history? you know, there are laws throughout this country and say, well, if you're 18 and 17 and 19, 20 years old, you can be a juvenile offender and if you eat all your broccoli, we'll expunge -- and eat your green beans, we're going to expunge your record after a certain period of time. seal it so that nobody can ever look at it and say what's your history? so i don't know whether he has a history or not, i don't know enough about it. but, he was convicted of a horrendous act and you and i

have had discussions on the death penalty before. i don't know what the majority of the people in this country would say if they were queried. but the last time i heard, most people in this country, the majority of people in the country say that should be an option. not necessarily the option, but it should be an option for the system. >> larry: it's a little scary when you find that over 200 people on death row have been released, they didn't do it. the guy just died as an arsonist who didn't commit the arson. how do you redress that grievance? >> i'm going to ask you this question, larry. somebody was released because they didn't commit -- allegedly didn't commit a rape. horrendous rape rape, based allegedly on dna evidence that they did not commit a rape. and wind, i don't know, was it a year or six months of his release, do you remember how long, jerry? two months of his release?

he did it to somebody else. now you think he was getting even? >> larry: what's your -- >> i think that sometimes things can be manipulated. so i don't know the answer to that. but in a clear-cut case, where there is no issue as to whether or not this was the perpetrator of this atrocity, i believe in my soul that that should be an option and certainly there should not be any opportunity for that person to get out ever. >> larry: you were a family court judge, here's a succinct question, last one before you leave us. >> okay. >> larry: could you sentence someone to death? >> yes. i could. i could. i think that if the state where i was sitting had that as an option, and there was no question in my mind that this was the perpetrator, and i listened to the family, which you do now.

and the family said to me, i would sleep better knowing that this person wasn't breathing, that my daughter and her children who he killed during the course of a home invasion robbery, no question, they found him in the home with a knife, confessed, he said i was high on lsd, it was the lsd that made me do it. i could say good-bye. >> larry: for a short time, you'll be back. he's always back. judge judy, 14 years in that slot. doing it again monday night another year. up next, a husband whose life was forever changed by a killer. the victim, a wife and mother did everything right, they called 911. so did a witness. don't go away. >> screaming, screaming, screaming, and not a happy scream, like a get me out of here scream. to speak. a lot of fortune 500 companies use him. but-- i'm your only employee. we're gonna start using fedex to ship globally-- that means billions of potential customers.

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joining us is nathan lee. a jury has convicted michael king of the death penalty, is justice served, nathan? >> well, nothing will ever be able to bring denise back, but, you know, i think the family is satisfied with the outcome and definitely glad he's going to be sentenced to death. >> larry: why did you go to that trial every day? >> i just felt like i had to be there for denise. i wanted to know what was going on. you know. the hardship that denise went through that entire time when she was kidnapped, you know, was nothing compared to, you know, me sitting through the trial was nothing compared to that. and, you know. i just wanted to be there so michael king could see me and the family. and you know. it wasn't fun. but we had to do it. >> larry: your wife was a beautiful woman. all right. >> thank you. >> larry: take me back to

january 17th, 2008. what happened on that day? when did you talk to your wife? what happened? >> well, i talked to her a couple of times that morning. just normal conversations, i normally talked to her throughout the day on my cell phone, i would put it on speakerphone and put it in my pocket. i read meters for an electric company. it started raining, i didn't talk to her for about four or five hours and on my way home from work at about 3:00, i started trying to call her. she didn't answer. i called her about eight times and she didn't answer. i got home and my kids were in the house by themselves. in the same crib. denise wasn't anywhere to be found. called 911 right away. i knew something was not right. because she would never go to the mailbox without the boys. noah, my oldest, was 2 and my youngest, adam was 6 months and she was kidnapped. raped and then murdered.

>> larry: that call you made 911 after finding her missing, here's a little bit of that call, your call. >> i just got home from work and my wife, i can't find her, my kids were in the house and i don't know where she is, i have looked every single place and i don't know -- >> your kids are at home by themselves? >> yes. >> how old are your kids, sir? >> my oldest is 2 and my youngest is 6 months. she wouldn't just leave, i don't know where she is. the windows were open. i don't know. i have no idea. >> hold on one second, okay? >> okay. i know, i don't know where mommy is. >> larry: did 911 help at all, or what could they do?

>> well, there were a total of five 911 calls, i was the first. my wife actually got ahold of michael king's cell phone when he went to his cousin's house to get a shovel. and a gas can. and she called 911. they couldn't track his cell phone, when she called. two more people called, family members of the person who did this and a woman named jane kowalski called 911 while she was driving beside them and denise screaming in the car. that call was never dispatched to authorities. the people took the call. the county sheriff's office took the call and they never dispatched anybody. and they definitely would have been able to find her if they would have dispatched it. >> larry: hold it, nathan, we're going to come back in 60 seconds, we're going to play

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look at the baby, he's picking his head up. good job, adam, good boy. >> larry: as nathan lee mentioned, another 911 call was played at michael king's trial. a motorist saw what she thought was a child screaming inside an adjacent car. listen.

>> larry: that was a woman, and that was what was happening to your wife who must have sounded by the sounds of the screams like a younger lady. nothing happened from that, nathan? nothing? >> no. you know, obviously there were multiple agencies scrambling to search for denise that entire time. there were be on the lookout notices for a green camaro and denise and the suspect who was michael king. and they actually got a 911 call with a motorist saying that she saw them in an area that was actually specific to one of the bolos. and so -- i mean, they were looking for her, they finally found her. a motorist was in real time giving cross streets of where they were. and nothing, they never dispatched anybody.

>> larry: how was he caught? >> well, finally, he proceeded right after that to take her to a wooded area, where he shot her and buried her, and then when he was -- when he left that area, which was in a secluded area, he went back on to a busy road, tried to get on the interstate, i-75, and there were two cops sitting at that intersection of the overpass and they spotted him and then pulled him over and then they arrested him. so probably only two hours after he murdered her they finally found him. >> larry: your father-in-law is a police officer with that department? >> yeah, he's actually been employed there for 26 years at the same sheriff's office that botched this call. >> larry: we'll get back and get nathan lee's thoughts on all of this. what do you make of it?

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>> larry: before we get back to nathan lee. anderson cooper will host "ac 360" at the top of the hour. all this week he's in afghanistan. right now he's in a patrol base. in helmand province. anderson, what's happening there? >> larry, it's a tough day for the marines here in afghanistan. four marines were killed in the east in kunar province far from here. tonight we're going to take you on patrol with marines hunting for ieds here in helmand province. also michael ware takes us on patrol in canned dehaur, comes very close to losing his own life in an ied attack.

he takes us to the front line. it's an amazing story. and dr. sanjay gupta is here. profiling a surgeon in the war zone. he becomes part of the operating team, lengthing a much-needed hand at a battle hospital. we'll show you all that live from afghanistan tonight. those stories and more on "360," larry. >> larry: 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific, anderson cooper always on the scene. we're back with nathan lee, the widower of denise amber lee. in the 911 call, your wife while she's captured fools her kidnapper into thinking she is talking to him when she is communicating with a 911 operator. she says, i want to see my family again and pleads with him to let her go. she tries to get him to provide her information about where they are. her final words are "help me." why couldn't they trace this? what -- how did they explain this to you? >> well, you know, i'm not an expert in the 911 field. but obviously throughout this

whole ordeal starting the denise amber lee foundation, trying to reform 911, people have explained this to me. i guess the way the system works now, the 911 system, they use a form of tracking called triangulation. you get pings off of cell phone towers. and they use these calculations to try to find the location of the person making the call. it's a very tedious and long process. especially with today's gps technology. you can have a gps on your dashboard and see where you're going and track yourself driving down the road. it's amazing to me that with today's technology and advancements of technology we can't track a cell phone more accurately. you know, so it's been something that our foundation working alongside with the 911 industry really have been trying to work towards as far as getting funding, working with cell phone companies and trying to get that, you know -- how many lives could be saved if you could track a cell phone by gps? people being kidnapped?

in cars, or people stranded on -- you know, it's amazing. >> larry: the web address is deniseamberlee.org. you're trying to straighten out the 911 situation. >> yeah. we've actually become pretty much the spokesperson for 911 reform. and, you know, unfortunately, 911 isn't magic. there is a lot of dedicated people that work in our 911 industry and trying to do their best. they're sitting in a room trying to help you while they're on the phone with you. and they're almost completely helpless. so we're really trying to push with federal legislators, state legislators to try to get better funding for 911. >> larry: nathan lee also plans to file suit against the charlotte county sheriff's office. in fact, his father who works in that office plans to join in the lawsuit. we asked the charlotte county

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>> larry: we're back with nathan lee. nathan, did the defendant take the stand at the trial? >> no, he did not. >> larry: so did you ever find out how he took her? >> well, obviously, most of that is speculation. denise was actually cutting my son's hair that day at some point. apparently he was just driving around neighborhoods and drove around that -- our house about five times.

at least the neighbor next door saw him drive around five or six times. and so we think that he probably spotted her on the back porch. it was in the middle of january in florida. all the windows were open. it was like 70 degrees outside. you know, no idea what happened. he could have come to the door. you know, people come to your door all the time. you open it not thinking they're going to kidnap you. so i don't think we'll ever be able to find out why. i'm just glad he's not going to be able to, you know -- >> larry: do it to anybody else. >> no, exactly. >> larry: how are the little boys doing? how are your kids doing? >> it's amazing. it's amazing how resilient children are. they're doing great. they're getting really big. they both love baseball which is great for me. but they're doing good. and we're moving forward and doing our best. you know, they're good. >> larry: how old are they now? >> noah is 3, 3 1/2 and adam

is 2. and they're both resting comfortably in bed right now. >> larry: and are you the sole -- do you have anyone else helping you take care of them? >> well, i almost have the entire community helping me take care of them. but both sets of grandparents, denise's parents, my parents have been amazing with helping me and a lot of friends and family. the support has been tremendous. my work, best buy is great with letting me get time off when i need it. and just -- i really couldn't have a better situation considering the circumstances. i don't feel alone. the boys definitely feel like they're loved -- >> larry: what advice -- nathan, what advice have you gotten as to when and how to tell them about their mother? >> larry: you know, people told me, you know, just make sure you wait and don't give them any false, you know, realities like say she's sleeping or that, you know -- they know that she's in heaven as an angel. i'm hoping that my whole family

will be there with me on that day when i have to tell them exactly what happened. i don't want to fill their minds with all the details. but at some point they're going to need to know. but they know that something is wrong. they know that she's in heaven. so that's the most important thing now at their age the way they are. >> larry: what was she like as a mother and wife? >> larry: perfect. just amazing how selfless she was. everything she did was for others. you know, just looking at her with the kids just made my heart melt every time. she loved being a mom. we were both young. she was 21 when she was murdered. and, you know, she got pregnant when she was 18. you know, we started a family and, you know, we couldn't be happier. but you know, i think -- whenever you think about having the perfect wife and mother, you know, you could look it up in the dictionary and her picture would be there. you know, i miss her a lot. and it's just tragic that boys don't have their mother anymore. i think that is the hardest part to get over is just knowing that

they don't have any idea really. you know. someday they're going to find out. i think that's the hardest part of the entire situation. >> larry: what has it done to your faith? >> larry: i'll tell you, it's actually strengthened it. you know, i understand that there is free will. you know, and that's one of the greatest gifts god gives you, you know. and i just want to make sure that my kids grow up in a home and we, you know -- i know she's in heaven. she's an angel and looking over us. and i'm definitely not hating, you know, god or anything like that. i'm just glad and fortunate that i have what i have. i have two beautiful kids and a great family. >> larry: nathan, we salute you, nathan. the web address for more information, want to help, good idea, deniseamberlee.org. thanks again, nathan. good luck.