kurt stahl, who has been traveling with us all week, as well as lieutenant bill mccu mccullough and every man and woman serving in the armed forces. thanks for watching. tonight kathy griffin kwesz. secret family dysfunction. >> when i was a little girl, he was very sexually inappropriate with me. >> and a deep down desire to look like kate gosselin. does she really believe this book will sell better than the bible? the queen of the bee list tells

it like it is right now, right here on larry king live. she's the only winning star of bravo's "my life on the bee list" and the author of "a memoir according to kathy griffin" -- wait a minute, a memoir according to you? it's your memoir? >> i can't remember if i had my liposuction this month or that month -->> larr larr > larry:. >> has oprah said that? >> yep. >> when did she say that, kathy? when did she say that, kathy?

>> all right, look, it hasn't been chosen for the oprah book club. sue me. >> larry: i'm sure she will. >> people who watch this show read? larry, this is a dream come true. >> larry: your book has oprah-type themes. it has dysfunctional family. >> check. >> larry: scandal, eating disorders, heartbreaks. were you doing this to titillate us? >> i did it for you. i put the celebrities in the index, because i know people like you will open it up and go to their own name. >> larry: you say i have an african-american sister. >> i'm trying to sell books.

if people think you have an african-american sister, it will sell. am i kind of your whitney houston? >> larry: in what way? >> you know that oprah is interviewing whitney houston, and she said she actually had to pray the night before to the lord to inspire her to give a good interview. now, how much did you pray last night about this moment? >> larry: oprah had to pray? >> yeah. >> larry: why would oprah have to pray before an interview? >> she wanted a connection with whitney, so she prayed she would have a connection. how long did you pray last night? >> i prayed for herbie. >> as long as herbie is hand some. is he single? >> larry: no. do you like what you are now? >> sometimes. sometimes i like, sometimes i go

bleah. sometimes i go, hi, foxy, and sometimes i feel blah. >> larry: you're wearing a sapphire-colored dress, which i like. >> that's right. >> larry: why would you print gruesome photos of the lipo? >> because i want people to know if you decide to get liposuction, this is what it looks like. i call it my rihanna photo because i basically look like rihanna from the waist down after that chris brown episode. that was ridiculous, him giving you the yes and no answers and the "i don't want to talk about it." he beat the crap out of that girl. >> larry: do you think i deserve an emmy? >> i think you deserve an emmy and a pulitzer.

>> larry: i want you to present it. you almost died from liposuction. >> i did. life is a process, i found. i prayed about it. >> larry: why do you keep praying? >> i just think it's funny that oprah prayed before her whitney houston interview. she was a little cracky. >> you did a nose job at 26. >> yeah, my first of two. i got two nose jobs, and i'm upset because i think my nose actually grew back to its original size. it's too big, but i can't get another one because i'm afraid it might just fall off like michael jackson and then i'll have a hole there. >> larry: what was the last thing you had done? >> the last thing i had done was dairk i've been off the junk for a while. probably botox, which really isn't surgery.

i stopped doing that because -->> larrbecause -- lar . >> larry: why? >> it's hard to write a book. why didn't you tell me it would be so hard? >> you have to give it time. >> i did give it time. i had a wonderful ghost writer named robert ably who helped me. he did the structure, and i came in and hopefully brought the funny. >> larry: what advice would you give to someone contemplating plastic surgery who hasn't done it? >> if you haven't done it, i would say don't do it. but i'm on television and i'm a girl and i have in securities, so you can't necessarily go by me. if i wasn't on television, i honestly wouldn't have done it. if i was a teller if forest park, illinois, i never would

have done it. >> larry: you would tell other people don't do it? >> if you don't have to. you should never get surgery if you don't have to. >> larry: were you a funny teller? >> i was a terrible teller. i got fired from two banks. >> larry: fired for what? >> sometimes i gave money to people if i liked them. twice i gave someone $100. i didn't know there was this thing called counting at the end of the day. so i got fired because twice i gave away $100 to people. >> you binged and purged. what's your relationship with food today? >> it's iffy, meaning it's always a struggle to eat good food. i like things that are fried. i don't like salads and healthy things, so it's a vice to eat

well. >> larry: what are your bad things? >> my bad things are men. >> larry: we'll get serious about her late brother next. dysfunction options: 36-hour cialis or cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. don't drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision stop taking cialis and call your doctor right away. announcer: cialis for daily use or 36-hour cialis.

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kathy griffin wrote the official book.

there's a chapter about your late brother, kenny. you didn't have to write about him. >> it's a memoir, and the whole idea of this book is one that isn't on the d-list. my older brother kenny, he went to prison, he was a crackhead. >> you also said he was a pedophile. >> he was. he was never caught, though. when i was a little kid, i would be in my bed and he would creep in my bed. like little kid, under ten years old. >> larry: how old was he when he died? >> he lived to be around 60. so he lived a long life. he would come into my bed and whisper in my ear.

and then later on in life, i became estranged from him, and my dad actually confronted him one day and said, kathleen thinks you're a pedophile, that's why she's estranged from you. and his response to my dad is, well, i do what i do. >> larry: what does your mom think about you writing about him? >> all of us have lived this, so none of this is new to them, obviously. i think my mom and dad had a very difficult time with my brother kenny, as the whole family did. he was very influential to me, because when you have somebody like that in the house with that energy, it's really a big thing to deal with. and the thing that's been particularly tough on my mom, who is very strong, she's on the d-list and she's very funny and she's dealt with a lot of pain in her life. my father passed away a couple years ago, and my late brother

kenny actually physically died in her arms. he put our family through a lot. >> how many other siblings? >> there are three other siblings. my brother gary is an attorney, my sister has been teaching for decades, and they're all smart a and witty and great. >> larry: kenny was the oldest? >> he was the oldest. >> did you ever wonder why he was different? >> absolutely. my mom asked him sometime why he did that, and he said he had been the victim of a coach. also, this is so long ago. i mean, this is behavior i saw in him 40 years ago. it's almost like we didn't have that word then. >> larry: when your marriage broke up, you broke it on this show? >> yeah, i talked about it here. >> larry: you mention that in the book. you write, my ego couldn't take the spatter in the public, but

somehow kathy griffin drove her poor husband into the ground until he had to leave. was that hard to write? >> the whole thing was hard to write. i look back on my marriage and for a long time in the marriage, i was bliss ful fly happy, and then i think i found out the marriage wasn't what i thought and maybe my husband wasn't the guy i thought he was, and it made me question everything. everything. i was doing a reality show at the time, and how do you deal with it on a reality show that's really comedy driven. it all had to just sort of play out, some of it on camera, some of it off. >> larry: you have a tattoo wedding ring? >> i have a tattoo wedding ring and it won't come off. >> larry: where is it? >> right here. >> do you want to marry again? >> i don't think so. >> larry: don't you want children? >> no, i was always a career girl. although i might get married to

levi johnston. >> larry: did you read his piece in vanity magazine in very revealatory. >> you can't just make up words on the show. that isn't a word. >> larry: it reveals things. >> i'm in love with him. he is my lover and i'm in love with him. >> larry: you admit it. you've been to bed with him. kathy griffin can't get enough of kate gosselin, and she'll transform in front of our very eyes, coming up. i take a shortc? yeah, sure. ♪ i knew the subaru legacy was the smart choice... what i didn't expect... was the fun. the all-new subaru legacy. feel the love.

>> larry: we're back with kathy griffin. kathy was on jimmy kimmel live, a good friend of ours, wednesday night where she debuted her new movie, "kate is enough, the kate gosselin story." watch. >> here's kathy griffin's new movie. take a look. >> smooth mother. >> i told you once not to cram that positivelyly pocket in your p -- polly pocket in your piehole. >> she's a wife. >> hi, honey. >> can i use the bathroom? >> and she was a tabloid

superstar. >> that's right. look at this mama's ass and look at the tummy tuck scars [ bleep ]. >> kathy griffin is kate gosselin. george sekay is john gosselin. "kate is enough," the kate gosselin story. >> larry: that was brilliant. kate got some advice from kathy griffin. she'll tell us what kate is doing now, what she's doing wrong and why kathy is considering john gosselin for her next boyfriend. that's next, stick around.

by>> larry: by the way, you'll love the index. the comment is about larry king's brother. what is your real opinion of kate gosselin? >> well, i love that show and i've been watching it since it was an innocent christian show about the christian couple who has their eight kids and they go to the church bake-off. now they don't mention the jesus so much since john gosselin has

taken every woman and kate gosselin turned rosy. >> larry: why do you like it? >> i know this is terrible and makes me a bad person, but i could watch somebody's marriage fall apart all day long. >> larry: what do you think about a tummy tuck? >> i think it's great. the kids should be there and they might have to be stitched down to their naughty parts because after all those kids, you got a needle and thread nearby. >> larry: john gave an interview the other day. here's an excerpt. >> i was abused. >> larry: what does that mean? >> i was verbally abused, i was beaten down. she used to hold our kids over me and say, don't spend time

with your mom, spend time with the kids. why can't i spend time with my mom and the kids? i'm not going back to that lifestyle. >> i can't believe i haven't slept with him. he's so my type and he doesn't know it yet. even chris como has exploded. he can't believe i said that. john gosselin for a comedian is kind of the gift that keeps on giving. >> larry: you would date him? >> i would sleep with him and kate in a three-way and tape it and send it to you. >> larry: and i would watch it. >> thank you. once you have that haircut who can't decide what it is, she doesn't know if she's a butch lesbian or more lipstick. >> larry: divorced dad's club starring john gosselin, michael

mo morehan and kay fetin. do you like the idea of being on a reality show? >> i like the idea of everybody being on a reality show. i forced my mom to be on my d-list. i'm like the stage mother to my mother. we violate all sorts of labor laws, i'm sure. but she's very funny and she delivers. >> larry: why is john gosselin your type? >> he's my type because he can get my picture on the cover of us magazine. in the way that lee johnson is my ty-- levi johnson is my type. >> we're going to get to levi johnson. >> she said, would you rather have sex with you or regis and i

picked you. >> larry: that was a question on the show? >> you don't watch tyra every day? >> no. i like her but -- >> the baby at daddy's house. i know. remember the female empowerment show? which was your favorite tyra, larry? >> larry: when she was on our show. she was a good guest. i think she's going to be back when we go to new york. >> you know you have to wear your real hair when tyra is here. tyra is all about keeping it real for the season. >> this is my real hair. stop it! >> take out your extensions and just be yourself, larry. >> larry: she actually asked if you preferred me to regis? >> honest to god, i picked you. now i'm in a fight with regis and regis doesn't even know it yet. >> larry: another emmy or her

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>> so here's the plan. if she does anything like, you know, well, how can you say anything bad about these poor celebrities making a living, and the audience is like, boo. you have to cricket that.

so when i say something, where are we going to be? >> you're going to be in the audience. >> you're going to say something from the audience. >> oh, my gosh, i wasn't prepared for that. >> you have an entourage now. >> yes, i do, and they are scared. >> larry: you're going to host the emmys. >> i'm going to host the emmys, but it's the creative arts emmys. it's going to air september 19 on the e-channel, and they're doing a whole special about it. >> larry: you've already won two. >> and i'm up for two more. they define me. anyone can have love. i want emmys. >> larry: have you ever gone to bed for emmys? >> i have. i slept with the whole academy.

can you call barbara walters for me? i was banned from "the view," and then i was let back in because my book was so riveting, and then i found out she's not going to be there that day. i know she's avoiding me. i know you can call her on judge judy's boat. i know you have those kinds of hookups, lar. >> larry: i do. but what do you care? she's good, but the show is the thing. >> i want you to call barbara and say, she's going to be a star, anyway. that would kill her. she would reach through the phone and slap you. on one of my specials i mentioned how backstage she made a joke that she likes to use

estroglide, which is a sexual l l lubricant. i like the idea of barbara walters getting laid and getting paid, old school. but can i tell you who is going to be the host that day? you ready? >> larry: yeah. >> la toya jackson. >> larry: the host? i just had dinner with her. >> what in the [ bleep ] am i going to talk to la toya about? she's had more dental work than me and joan rivers put together. >> larry: your competition for outstanding radio program is dirty jobs, the dog whisperer, intervention and myth busters. >> bust this myth, i'm winning. >> larry: who is the toughest of

those? >> you know, you never know. mythbusters. >> larry: what do they do? >> i don't know. they bust myths, i guess, with a very big hammer. half these people don't even show up to the show. >> larry: they don't show up to their own show? >> yeah. the antique roadshow people don't even show up anymore. >> larry: winning an emmy or having a banging bikini bod? >> winning an emmy is wonderful, i just happen to have a banging bikini bod. in the way that oprah prayed before her whitney interview, i prayed for a banging bikini bod. who have you prayed about before an interview? >> larry: never.

>> you know before marie osmond comes in, you pray. >> larry: why would i? >> because you don't know if she's going to cry or -- can i pretend i'm chris brown and you ask me probing questions and i'm going to be a bad guest. okay, go ahead. >> larry: was it hard to write about plastic surgery? >> i don't know. >> larry: you're going to do another book? >> i don't know. can you believe that kid sitting here saying yes and no for an hour after beating the crap out of that poor girl? >> larry: we'll be right back. we'll talk about kathy's obsession with levi and oprah, next. i've been growing algae for 35 years. most people try to get rid of algae, and we're trying to grow it. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green.

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book club selection by valuable endine. it's available wherever books are sold. you believe you can outsell the bible? >> yes, i believe i can outsell the bible. >> larry: in what way? the bible has some pretty good stories. >> the bible is good, howevhoweve however --. >> larry: have you ever read moses and the red sea? >> the bible doesn't have really awesome stories about celebrities i run into. the bible doesn't mention you, and my book does. >> larry: you got a point. >> the bible doesn't mention oprah once, and i did throughout. >> larry: has oprah ever invited you to her show? >> i was on the oprah show once. >> larry: for what subject?

>> plastic surgery. >> larry: someone should act? >> i think levi should pose for anyone that pays him, he's adorable and charming. you've had him here, he can talk and talk and talk. >> larry: he can? >> he has a lot of thoughts about health care reforms and global warming. i saw him at the conference. he was the keynote speaker. i do, i think he should pose naked whenever possible, and i want you to know that my relationship with him is legitimate and i'm pregnant nanwith levi johnson's baby. >> larry: he made another girl pregnant? >> which is weird, because i

thought i couldn't have any kids. >> larry: were you surprised what happened with his soon-to-be mother-in-law? >> no. >> larry: ellen degeneres is going to be on "american idol." >> weird. >> larry: paula abdul didn't say bad things, did she? >> paula abdul didn't know what she said, and she still doesn't. do you know what the word cognizant means? it doesn't apply to her. ellen is too lucid for that show. she better hit the bucket of klonopin right away. >> larry: is michael jackson bigger than he was? >> yes, he is bigger than he was. i cannot even get over your

interview with joe jackson who was so insane with those tattoo dragon eyebrows, because i believe at night he does a drag queen named la toya. i knew the guy was freaky, but i didn't realize how freaky he was until he sat in this chair and said, michael didn't wake up no mo. how do you do it without laughing? >> larry: jay leno starts on prime time monday. >> i think it's great. look, it's all changing. it's all changing. i'm on a little fake cable network that not that many people watch, and i get to do my thing on my show that i love. i don't even know how the

network works. >> larry: do you think jay can beat csi miami? >> maybe. he's got jerry seinfeld. >> seinfeld, that's right. he could kill someone and then they could be like, who killed this person, and they could solve the crime. i'm just thinking outside my box. >> larry: more kathy griffin and our hero of the week, next.

>> larry: our hero of the week, and what a sdefrk odeserving on alex griffith. as an avid boy scout, he decided to use his eagle scout project to build and help russian children. so what is it you do, alex? how does it work? >> when you're a life scout in the boy scouts, you can start your eagle, and one of the requirements is eagle scouts for requirement number five would state develop and give leadership to a service project. >> larry: how do you get the money to them? >> i -- you do fund raising activities. >> larry: you're building a playground for children in russia. in moscow? >> right above the center of

mongolia. >> larry: this project took 2.5 years to complete, and on your 16th birthday, you went back to russia for the dedication of your playground. what was that like? >> it was very cool. there was a line to the big slide, and even when we were building it, people were playing on the unfinished parts. >> larry: he's getting other projects together, too. what a hero. thank you, alex, our deserving hero of the week building a playground for his hometown. hero of the week, alex griffith.

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don't worry, i brought your doll. ta da! >> that's the wrong doll. >> jerry, i saw the doll you were talking about. not funny. a little bow tie and a cute little hat. i think it's a riot. >> it's a nightmare. >> i'll be watching! >> larry: did you have fun doing that? >> it was so great! it was like heaven. the second time i did the show was the week he announced he was quitting and he was on the cover of "time" magazine, and it was exciting to be there, and i love him. i could talk to him all day. he's a national treasure. >> larry: you did a photo for the no hate campaign about gay marriage and the like. >> yes. >> larry: they taped your mouth shut, right? >> much like you would like to do on this show.

>> larry: was that hard for you? >> i thought i was dying. if i can't talk about celebrities even for two or three minutes, i would get a panic attack and they would have to get a defibrilator. now that i'm going to marry levi johnston and i'm this close to living in the white house, i am against heterosexual marriage being legal. i want gay people to legally marry and straight people should go to jail if they marry. >> larry: what's the thinking in that? >> because i'm a smart, he hedud woman who knows what she wants, and that's what oprah told me on the phone last night when she said she chose me to be in her book club. >> larry: why do gays love you? >> i think gays love me because

i get them. i get them, i love them, i know them. >> larry: they have a different sexual preference -- >> they have an uphill battle. i readwrite a lot about this in book. it's about being a female comedian. the gay guys work harder than the next guy. we have that in common. >> larry: you can compare yourself to bette midler? >> icon. >> celine dion? >> eicon. >> larry: do you like cher? >> love cher. >> larry: you sell out in concerts, don't you?

>> i do mandalay in vegas. in los angeles, i'm doing the univers universal ampitheatre. >> larry: do you criticize steve martin in the book? >> yes. >> larry: why do you criticize? >> i talk about all my celebrity run-ins and i'm a little proud of the steve martin bit because i'm sure he doesn't remember meeting me at all. i golt to be on the late night show and steve martin was the lead guest and i was the second guest. it's a word that begins with d and has four letters is what i would say he was. in a way that was kind of astounding.

meaning when you meet bill mar and he's the d word, it's really quite charming, but steve martin was just a d word. i wouldn't say he's a warm person, but my run-in with him was brief and treacherous. >> larry: he wrote a wonderfully sensitive book. how can you call him not sensitive? >> i would call him insensitive. i'm just saying when i met him, he was kind of a jerk. but i thought that about jerry seinfeld, and you know what, i was wrong. but i'm right about this. >> larry: what do you think about the congressman saying "you lie." >> this is great. obama is being heckled at clubs like i am. >> larry: it's not a club. you call that a club?

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>> i'm not going to tell you anything. just walk around the room.

>> you moved the vases. >> yeah, it's bad. i know. >> i remember that was custom ledger. >> i know. >> it's a $20,000 sofa. >> and it wasn't him. >> i swear she knows we're talking about her. she knows. oh, she's right out there. >> is she chewing the railing? >> probably. >> we give her chew toys. >> larry: some things in your book that might say an uproar. you say that politics is show business for ugly people? >> yeah. >> larry: explain. >> everybody wants to be in show business, regardless of what they say. that's one thing i learned from having a reality show. it is shocking that people want to be on it and why they want to be on it. >> larry: look at jerry springer. why would anyone go on jerry springer? >> you know, i'm secretly in love with jerry springer and you know he has more money than you by a mile. >> he owns his own show. >> he owns everything.

we're just players. we're just puppets. >> larry: okay. you think everybody wants -- >> i do. i believe that everybody wants to be in show business. >> political people? >> the political people are the worst of all. okay, what about the guy yesterday? the guy that started talking about spanking? >> larry: yeah, conservative republican member of the house of the senate. >> i love when they're conservative. that is always a little bit richer. >> larry: he is moralist of the year. >> of course, they have the moral compass we're supposed to follow. >> they show up in their hair and makeup and it's a joke. we had a president that is a joke for eight years. >> what do you make of senator craig in minnesota? >> hilarious. my gays are all over the larry craig thing. you put the foot down in the stall that means i'm a top. >> larry: really? those are signals? >> there are all kinds of signals about who is top and bottom. >> larry: in men's rooms? >> in men's rooms and lots of men's clubs and churches. >> larry: churches?

>> uh-huh. >> larry: one thing in your book is that you're working in a man's world. show business is sexist. >> right. >> larry: has it gotten any better? >> a little. >> you're here for an hour. >> i'm here for an hour. it's exciting for you. it's taxing for me. i don't know if i'm here because of my awesome rack or because of my rack inside my head. you know what i mean? >> larry: because you're bright, brilliant and funny. >> all right. but i also caught you looking at my rack. so i don't know which it is anymore. i just caught you again. see. >> larry: you think you're a sex pot? >> i think i'm a sex object. you know what, there is too much going on inside for you to objectify me as a dumb gorgeous bimbo. >> how do you know when a man is interested in you? >> when i tell him to have sex with me. >> larry: you go right up to him? >> i do. >> larry: you're very forward? >> i'm forward. i'm from the wrong side of the tracks. i'm what you call a bad girl. i make the move, yeah. sometimes they cry. i'm not going to lie.

>> larry: do you usually carry around viagra? >> i have viagra, although you don't need it, tiger. and i have a lot of barbara walters left over astro glide. >> larry: you would visit levi in alaska? >> i'm going to share an igloo with him. >> larry: hold it. you're going to do a show out of wasilla? >> i may leave show business and go kick it in wasilla. he calls it ahuntin'. >> yeah, i'm going to go -- i changed, larry. take a look. the beautiful hollywood glamour puss is leaving and relocating to wasilla to be mrs. johnston. >> we led this as the tease. do you want to be on the d-list? >> yes, i'm firmly planted here and enjoy it. >> larry: who's on the c list? >> i don't know. maybe like a tv sidekick, somebody like that.

like the a-list is big movie stars. then the b-list is maybe tv stars. and then the c-list is the sort of sidekick world. and then you have me and the car dashians. >> that's where you include yourself? >> yeah, it's pitiful. i'm not proud. but i'm home. >> larry: all right. good book. you're on a book tour? >> yes. i did a signing which is exciting. and i'm going to do one in chicago and los angeles. and i'm on a comedy tour all the time. >> larry: you are excited about having a book? >> i'm excited. >> larry: you're in the library of congress. >> what? where is that? >> larry: should be in the side of the book here. you mentioned it. >> what do they do there? that sounds important. >> larry: there you are. see. united states biography official book library of congress. printed in the united states of america. >> does that mean i can write any legislation or change any laws? >> larry: no, when you go to congress and ask the librarian i want to see bios. >> it will be there? okay. so like when i go and try to change a bill, like when the jonas brot g