it's really, really sad. >> for made me not scared to dance. he was this male man figure that could still move beautifully and his work was amazing. we got rid of the stigma of men taking up dancing. >> there is much more on patrick swayze up next on "larry king live." that does it for us here. good night. >> larry: patrick swayze made every woman want to be his dance partner or wife. the guy who was tender and tough is taken by cancer. grieving friends tell us what the world has lost. then, kanye west's outrageous act. >> taylor, i'm really happy for you and i'm going to let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. >> larry: stealing the mike and the spotlight from taylor swift.

which kanye should we believe. dr. is here on the two-face rapper. the answers here on "larry king live." good evening. amily, friends and fans are patrick swayze. he lost his brave battle against pancreatic cancer at age 57 yesterday. we send our condolences to patrick's wife and family and will be speaking to his famous friends in a little while. joining us exclusively from palo alto, california is dr. george fisher. the oncologist who treated swayze in his last days at the stanford hospital and clinic. why is pancreatic cancer such a death blow? >> it's a difficult disease in part because it's always diagnosed so late. it's a disease where when

symptoms develop, often times it cannot be removed. larry, if you forgive me -- >> larry: someone said today -- go ahead. >> i wanted to correct the first statement. we treated him at stanford on the context of a clinical trial. he was looking for new treatments. we were lucky enough to offer him that seemed to work for a while. the rest was given by oncologists in los angeles and they did a wonderful job taking care of him. >> larry: i'm glad we straightened that out. the treatment you tried work forward a while, right? >> yes, it did. it was a clinical trial in which he received standard treatment and an experimental drug that has been in the press. he was able to finish the beast series while he was receiving that therapy. it was quite an accomplishment for patrick. >> larry: someone said if every physical contained a cat scan, they would pick it up early.

would it? >> i'm afraid it's not that simple. it is a difficult disease to diagnose and sometimes a cat scan will pick it up early. certainly when it's caught early we have a chance of curing the cancer. unfortunately we don't know how often it can be done. there may be net injury looking at everybody. there is a dilemma and we are developing algo rhythms to identify people at risk and less invasive tests to figure out who has got it and who doesn't. >> larry: patrick continued to work shooting the series while being treated. was it a good idea? >> it was a great idea. i had my doubts as to whether he could do it or not, but we had many conversations around that fact and he understood how difficult the treatment could be and how difficult the disease could be. it's just like patrick to say he's going to do it and nobody should get in his way. i was happy to step out of the

way. >> larry: would you say let him do it? surviving for two years was kind of amazing. >> it is amazing. i need to make sure that other people know that patients can survive two years or longer even with standard treatment. it's sad that not as many do. when people present with advanced disease as patrick did, disease that had spread, fewer than in four are alive in a year. for him to make it nearly two years is quite an accomplishment. there were many people who can make it two years and further, just not as many as we would like. >> larry: he continued to smoke. was that a bad idea? >> at the point that one is diagnosed with cancer, there is little additional harm in it and it seems to provide him comfort or identity of who he is, i have no objections to that.

he would be the first to say if you don't smoke, don't start and if you do, quit before you develop cancer. >> larry: what kills you? if you have pancreatic cancer, prostate cancer doesn't kill you, it's the spreading that kills you. what kills you when you have pancreatic cancer? >> sadly it's true also for pancreas cancer. it can spread to the liver and lungs and abdomen and cause weakness and weight loss and ultimately the body becomes so weak, it's susceptible to other serious things like infections. it's seldom the disease itself. more often that the disease weakens the body to a point where something additional takes over. >> larry: isn't it hard being an oncologist? they are around death so much. >> that's a good question and we are not the most popular people

to have conversations with at parties. i will give you that. i would say that oncologists tend to love what they do and that's because we interact with patients at a critical time in their and their families. what's lost is we do a lot of good and people do do well with cancer. even those that don't, we can help them live with the cancer and live well for as long as the cancer allows. there is value and day to day reward, but it's sad to lose patients. >> larry: thank you, doctor for your time. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> larry: george fisher of the stanford hospital and clinic who is treated the late -- hard to say that -- patrick swayze. his friends and fellow actors are with us to tell us what you may not know about the late actor, next.

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>> larry: we are honoring the memory of patrick swayze tonight. joining us here in los angeles, act are resz kelly lynch who costarred in roadhouse. c thomas howell, they were in three films together. and larry gilliard jr. who appeared with him in his most recent work, the beast. patrick starred while undergoing treatment for cancer. what was he like to work with, kelly? >> he was the most adorable actor. the kindest guy. everybody on the set fell in love with him. i have had the extreme pleasure of working with almost every big actor on the planet. they have all been wolf. he was something special. i have never seen the reaction to a superstar like the reaction that patrick had.

>> was he easy? easy to be with? >> yes. he was easy, but he was a complicated person. he was an artist in a true sense. he was a great dancer and a musician and one of those people that when he put his mind to it, he became the best at what he wanted to do. >> larry: and a horseman. >> a great horseman. >> larry: you were with him. >> i spent a lot of time with him. >> larry: what was it like working with him in the beast? >> the same. he's an amazing person. even after he was diagnosed, he came to work and brought something to the table every day and that's something i learned. he was 100% going all out. a true professional. >> how do you explain how he handled it? >> the way he handled everything, i'm not going to let

this stop me. he loved to challenge. i think he had a clear idea that he had a couple of years to live, but he wasn't going to let it stop him and he was going to live as much as he could and wanted to keep working. >> larry: would you say his attitude would not shock you? >> not at all. he was the same on the set and off the set and he was as good to the service person as the star he was working with. he was dedicated to whatever it was he was doing. >> did he talk about his illness? >> i know he -- the thing i admired and he worked with larry through the beast after he was diagnosed. he wasn't afraid to continue his path. i think at the same time he was a guy known for his physique and he was athletic and extremely handsome guy.

it was hard on everybody to watch him go through this process and see what took place. the toll physically. >> larry: what he looked like at the end. >> it was shocking. >> larry: were there bad days at work for him physically? >> there were hard times for him, but patrick, the kind of person he s he covered it all. he went to work and always had a smile. he didn't complain. there was time where he was working and he got sick. he caught a cold or something. everyone freaked out because they were like this might be it. it was just a cold. that was the worst i can remember on the set. he came back a week later and he was back on set. >> larry: his last interview was with barbara walters in january. here's a small excerpt. >> you scared?

>> i don't know. to be truthful or stupid as to say no. then i immediately when i say that, i have to say yes, i am. >> larry: kelly, one critic said today he wasn't so much a terrific actor as he was a presence. do you agree with that? >> you know, i also thought he was a terrific actor. or maybe what he was was a terrific entertainer. he had this incredible physical intelligence where he could make his body do whatever he wanted it to do. >> he didn't care about what people thought of him. he did his thing regardless of what critics felt. >> the camera loved him. >> oh, my, yes. the camera even in his

condition, i remember watching the dailies after he was diagnosed and the camera just loved this man. it would eat him up. >> thanks for dropping by. >> you are welcome. it was a pleasure. >> larry: more with more of patrick swayze's friends. gary busey will join us and a look at past performances in 60 seconds. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green. algae could be converted into biofuels... that we could someday run our cars on. in using algae to form biofuels, we're not competing with the food supply. and they absorb co2, so they help solve the greenhouse problem, as well. we're making a big commitment to finding out... just how much algae can help to meet... the fuel demands of the world.

>> larry: we are back with c thomas howell and larry gilliard, actors. we will be joined by gary busey who costarred with patrick in point break. thomas, did he live in l.a.? >> they have a home in l.a. and his wife lisa has a home in l.a., but they have a ranch in new mexico where they spent a lot of time. >> larry: they were a lifelong couple. you never read about them in the

tabloids. >> high school sweethearts and an amazing couple all the way to the end. i remember when we were shooting the pilot and lisa came out and initially patrick, we would go out and he would initiate the going out and we would hang out. lisa got there and said he was not going to hang out as much. lossa joined us and the two of them were like a few times, i caught them on the dance floor dancing. >> larry: he didn't make the tabloids until he got sick. >> he was a private guy. >> larry: they were terrible to him. don't you think? >> it was rough. >> larry: gary busey will give us his thoughts after this.

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if you get mouthy. >> what are a crock of -- >> who is that? who are you? >> make him go away. >> no way. >> i think tomorrow is a say something hat day. >> larry: we are back with patrick swayze's friends and joining the group is actor gary busey who costarred with patrick in point break. what was he like from your standpoint? >> a wonderful spirit with the right focus. he loved improvisation and spontaneity. the spontaneity comes from an invisible idea that is there before the creation begins. we played together like that. it was no effort. he was without warning. we actually fed each other's

fire of innocence and the performance. >> you are talking about chemistry. you had chemistry? >> absolutely certain. it was lovely. patrick, i celebrate his live and his passing in a way that he has gone home and he's in a special place. very special place. he will be around forever and ever. >> did you have the chemistry too, thomas? >> most people who worked with him did. i had a connection that was vital at a time. i worked with him from the age of 14 to 16. i was young when i worked with him. >> larry: he was a child star? >> he was a little bit older than the rest of us. he was in his mid 20s when it happened for him. he had seen everything and been through it.

>> larry: did he have anything in the last days, any kind of temper? >> not that i saw. >> larry: people with cancer at the end get intense. >> his idea was it was all about he was fighting it. we rallied around him that he was going to beat it. that was the attitude. no temper. he was always happy on set. >> he had fire. >> larry: you were going to say? >> the rap party at point break. i was there with all the cast and crew celebrating. i said okay, gary. you are going to come with me. we are going to go skydive. i said what? we are going to skydive. put on a chute and by the plane, everything is good. i'm not doing that. i'm not doing that. he kept hammering me like an eel on a shark. not letting it go.

finally this is patrick's focus. his perspective and his purpose with what he wants to get done. >> he's a doer? >> i'm getting to that. i said i will not abuse your trust. i will pick you up at 4:00 a.m. i went to paris valley and froze in my mind when i was supposed to get out of the plane. i landed and when patrick went out he looked like a ballet dancer. i liked like a flying beaver without a chute. it was so much fun. he just pushed me to my great limits. not pushed me, but gave me the opening to go there. >> larry: patrick swayze had an intense serious side. he was ready to play for laughs as when he guest hosted "saturday night live" in 1990 and did a chippendales audition with chris farley. talk about "dirty dancing." watch.

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>> larry: that's funny. one of hollywood's biggest producer and long time friend is with us next. don't go away.

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bye. >> larry: that may be the number one tear jerker of all time. hollywood producer is a founding producer of stand up to cancer. she knew swayze well and is a cancer survivor herself. patrick stood up publicly in september of 2008 appearing on an unprecedented fund-raising program on all three major broadcast networks. watch. >> i keep dreaming of a future. a future with a long and healthy life, a not lived in the shadow of cancer, but in the light. i dream that everyone diagnosed will be fortunate enough to have hope. that every human being lost to cancer is not gone, but is

standing here with us tonight. tonight i stand here, another individual living with cancer who ask that we not wait any longer. i ask only one thing of you. will you stand up with me? >> larry: laura, what was the impact of him doing that? >> extraordinary. i'm really meeting him after he was diagnosed with cancer and we asked him to open the show. he had not really been public yet. there he was. he stood in frond of millions of people and wrote those words himself. >> larry: you never produced a movie with him. you got to know him well after that. what do you remember most about him? >> he had such extraordinary dignity and humanity. what you see on the screen. i wish i had that as a producer. the camera is the ultimate truth

detector and you can see this nobility and this dignity and humanity and he had it i'm sure until the end. >> larry: you produced spider man, right? >> yes, i did. >> larry: you could have put him in it. >> absolutely. absolutely. i so wish i had worked on that with him. >> larry: he would have climbed the walls without benefit of special effects. >> you bet. he was extraordinary. >> larry: is stand up to cancer working? >> well, it's a great experiment. we just gave away $73 million. we raised over $100 million and we are grateful to you, larry. you had katie and charlie and brian williams on and you have been a great supporter. we just have given away $73 million, including a very large grant to a pancreas team.

it's team science across institutions and disciplines. it's only when the scientists come together and work together do we have a chance. patrick died yesterday, but he was only one of 1500 american who is died yesterday from cancer. >> larry: thank you, laura. we will be doing lots more in the days and nights ahead. a friend of patrick's and cancer survivor and standing member. do you think we will ever lick this disease? >> oh, boy. i have great faith and i know we can lick it and i know it can be licked. the only trouble i have is with those big drug people wanting to keep cancer alive to sell the drugs and do the surgery. >> larry: another subject for another show. we will be back with more. don't go away. insuring your family's ifs can be confusing. so metlife removed the guesswork. combining two essential insurances...

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>> when i get the emotion, you want to play the emotion. that's not what we as people do. we go to thens of the earth to not let the emotion out. that's what rips an audience's heart out that makes you care. you are up there crying. >> larry: he was beloved by audiences and patrick swayze took flack from critics over the years. i asked him about that when we sat down for an interview in 1992. watch.

>> how do you react to the critics? >> critics, pretty much they are on the level of the amoebas. thes who have been around for 15 or 20 years. i'm not interested in reading that. they destroyed am deus and look what it did. they destroyed ghost and "dirty dancing" and two movies and look what it did. i don't put much credence in what they say. . >> larry: i looked like the pillsbury dough bow there. patrick swayze completed his memoirs cowritten with his wife. the time of my life will come out later this month. how will he be remembered? >> he will be remembered forever in what he gave to the american public. what he gave in his heart and his eyes and ambitions to help

others. >> simply put. i say fearless. he faced whatever challenges were in front of him and conquered it. >> larry: that's the way we will think of him. brave. larry? >> a true professional and amazing spirit. >> larry: way to close this segment. singer larry gatlin is among many mourning the loss of a friend. larry joins us on stage from branson, missouri performing his new album, pilgrimage released today. he and patrick swayze cowrote the song brothers. larry is going to sing it for us in a moment to honor his friend. how close were you together, larry? >> we were great buddies. i met him in 1986 and walked in an elevator in austin, texas in the centennial celebration. he said i love your acting.

he said i love your singing and song writing and i said let's be friends. he said that's a great idea. i cherish his memory. that's exactly how it happened. later i wrote this song. >> larry: do for me and the audience who love you so much, do the song you and patrick wrote. >> with blood brothers steve and rudey and our other brother, patrick. ♪ we've always known if anyone tried to -- ♪ you have always known i'd be by your side ♪ ♪ no matter what the situation might be ♪ ♪ when we were just boys we vowed our allegiance ♪ ♪ shoulder to shoulder against all others ♪

♪ brothers ♪ brothers ♪ and brother, you will never look for me ♪ ♪ brother, you can go ahead and walk into the fire because by your side is where i'll be ♪ ♪ when we were just boys ♪ we vowed our allegiance ♪ shoulder to shoulder against all others ♪ ♪ brothers ♪ brothers i spent a lot of good time with

buddy as his friends called him and me and my blood brothers are singing for lisa and the family in california. we believe our good friend is dancing with the angels right now. ♪ when we were just boys we vowed our allegiance ♪ ♪ shoulder to shoulder against all others ♪ ♪ brothers ♪ brothers that's for you! >> larry: thank you. what a song. what a show. larry gatlin. a great guy and a great talent. a salute to patrick swayze. thank you, guys. it's the theft that rocked the music world. kanye west robbed from taylor

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>> larry: it's always a pleasure to welcome phil mcgraw back to television. his show started its 8th season. rapper kanye west kicked up a lot of controversy at the mtv music video award when is he hijacked taylor swift's acceptance speech. here's some of what happened. watch and from philadelphia, we will get dr. phil's reaction. watch. >> taylor, i'm really happy for you and i will let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. one of the best videos of all time. >> larry: okay, dr. phil, what's the psychological explanation of an occurrence like that? >> larry, obviously the behavior

is just despicable. no other word for it. frankly you blow it down to simply being a bully. i can name you 10 or 15 people that he wouldn't have gone up and taken that mike from, but he did it with a 17-year-old girl because he could. to take it upon himself and be that insensitive to her, i thought it was just terrible. >> larry: for what gain? >> i think it's all just kind of part of a narcissistic personality pattern. you have to be the center of attention and have all the spotlight on you. you have a complete disregard for other people's thoughts or feelings and no sensitivities to it. i had people tell me he was drinking on the red carpet. maybe he had kind of dulled his senses. i don't know that. i did talk to taylor today and i talked to her mother. both. i did the view earlier today.

when i was in new york they were on the show as well. i talked to them in the green room and she was upset, but she is getting past it at this point. >> larry: we are going to take a break and come back with dr. phil graw and the congressman and the tennis player. don't go away. - guys, here you go. - yes! with unbeatable prices on t.g.i. friday's appetizers-- game time costs less at walmart. save money. live better. walmart. before i started this job, i admit, i had some doubts. probably a lot like you. but i like what i found. i think you will too. car for car, when compared to the competition, we win. simple as that. i just know if you get into one of our cars, you're gonna like what you see. so we're putting our money where our mouth is. buy a new chevy, buick, gmc or cadillac and if you are not 100% happy,

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>> larry: we'll be right back with dr. phil. anderson cooper is standing by to host ac 360. what's up tonight? >> a lot of breaking news. former president jimmy carter saying the majority of anger and animosity towards president obama is because the president is a black man. comments are sure to spark

controversy. what the president said and i have all the angles on the breaking news. the house voting to review joe wilson, the man who called president obama a liar. rising criticism that they should be dealing with more important issues like health care and jobs instead of playing politics and the yale student murder mystery. police not releasing autopsy results and interviewed about 200 people and questioned at this hour. are they closer to finding a killer? we have the latest on the investigation into what may have killed annie le. what president bush really thought of sarah palin. ahead on 360. >> larry:s en:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. barely 24 hours after acting out on the vma and expressing regret on his website, kanye west appeared on jay leno's new prime time show. >> i was fortunate enough to meet your mom and talk with your mom a number of years ago. what do you think she would have said about this?

>> um -- >> would she be disappointed in this? would she give you a lecture? >> yeah. you know obviously i deal with hurt and, you know, so many celebrities never take the time off and i never took the time off and music after music and tour and tour. i'm ashamed that my hurt caused someone else's hurt. >> larry: he never really answer and he was never asked why he did it and went on stage and did that. what's your reaction to what he said there? >> i found it highly evasive and going around and around. i kind of tried to dissect it. he said i'm sorry my hurt,

implying he has pain that caused him to hurt someone else. that seems to be another dodge and explanation. look, there is a point at which you have professional courtesy and decor um. to just charge up on stage and there is a huge outcry, what do you expect? you bully a 17-year-old girl, people are not going to take kindly to it. he did, they didn't and he said well, i need time off to heal myself or take care of my hurt and my pain. i understand that, but i hope he does. i don't know kanye west, but i think it's important for people to do this and i will say this in his defense. he needs one. one of the things we focus on in psychology is that you have to separate the behavior from the person. the behavior was despicable. i'm not saying kanye west is despicable. i don't know the man.

his behavior was despicable. we talk about serena williams. we followed her and she has been a great ambassador of tennis and represented herself and her family and the sport well worldwide. really bad day. her behavior was unacceptable. again, i don't think you -- that you label her and her whole life with that one act. but,evasive for a while before she stepped up and apologized. you have to be accountable for this stuff. >> larry: dr. phil, haven't we all had bad days? i mean the camera was on serena reacting. it may have been on you or i in road rage. >> well, of course. that's why i say, look at the pattern of someone's life. wane serena, there are so many times that she has been a gracious winner. she has been a gracious loser. there are times that she has shown kindnesses to ball boys and ball girls. i mean there are so many things that don't make a headline. and then something negative happens and it does make a headline. it doesn't mean the behavior is

okay. it doesn't mean she didn't get what she deserved in terms of being defaulted out of the match and fined. but by the same token, you don't do a freeze frame, like you say, larry, some somebody caught you in a road rage and took that ten seconds and says this defines larry king, that wouldn't be fair. we shouldn't do that with kanye or serena williams, either one. >> larry: how about another example, he was reprimanded in the house, joe wilson standing up with the "you lie"when the president easpok>>uow i -- agaii think that's just -- that's just poor impulse control. and, you know, it's just our culture. if you go overseas, if you go to england, for example, there's a lot of yelling and screaming and they have a debate and it's very animated. but that's just not our culture here. and i think that people thought it was disrespectful. i thought it was disrespectful. i think he seriousry will he grets having done that. it's just not the kind of

decorum that americans look for. i mean we have serious things going on right now that congress needs to be dealing with. and to have this kind of distraction is not good. if he feels that, then he can say so. but he don't stand up and yell it out in a meeting like. that i think it embarrassed the united states. >> larry: by the way, taylor swift swaz on "the view" today. here's some of what she had to say about kanye. watch. >> my overall thought process went something like wow, i can't believe i won this is awesome don't trip and fall, i'm going to thank the fans. there so so cool oh, kanye west is here. cool hair cut. kanye west is here. cool hair cut. what are you doing there? and then ouch and then i guess i'm not going to get to thank

the fans. >> larry: i thought she handled that quite well, don't you? >> i did. larry, she -- i talked to she and her mother backstage as i said. and i think taylor is doing better than her mom. she's telling her mom okay, we have to get past this. her mother said something that i thought was really, really a smart thing to say. she said, you know, dr. phil, i have to keep this in perspective. because this is a problem somebody taking the mike from her at an awards show. it's not a problem of somebody having a daughter that's dying or somebody being killed. i mean this isn't tragedy. it's just unfortunate that it happened. and, of course, with my daughter, i'm sensitive to it. but it seems like she was getting it in perspective. i think she probably ventilated -- vented some when she talked to kanye on the phone. so -- you know, i got the tense that those two, mom and daughter, were doing much, much better. they were having a lot of fun there. and i got to tell you, i think taylor swift is a class act and mature way beyond her years. i see why after meeting and visiting with her mother.

good lady, feet on the ground. i just thought it was just a terrific class act. >> larry: apple don't fall far from the tree. >> no, i suspect it doesn't. >> larry: we'll be right back with dr. phil. we'll ask him about what the president said about kanye west next. yep. four tasty new soups with 28% of your daily fiber. but i like this chicken tuscany. i like it too. but it has fiber in it. that's right. fiber? yeah. but i like it. (announcer) progresso. you gotta taste this soup.

>> larry: before we ask about your new season, dr. phil, what do you say of the president calling kanye west a jackass? it was off the record, caught on audio tape. what do you make of that? >> i think it was an off handed comment. i don't think anyone would really disagree with it. it was jackass behaviobehavior,?

that's the whole point. >> larry: all right. you are surprised at all, you've been going on eight years now, right? >> eight years, yes. we're coming into our eighth season at this point. and, larry, i got to tell you, we're having a ball. we're taking live -- we game to new york to do two shows. i'm in philadelphia now on tuesday night. we're live tomorrow morning. we're just taping -- our theme this year is taking it to the streets and talking to the people about what's going on in their lives. and i have found it absolutely inspiring to be out talking to folks. i mean we're walking up and down the sidewalk talking to people. we shot a show on a train. we're just out taking it to the streets. >> larry: what's the -- i see oprah is doing that, too. what is the idea? >> well, you know, i think right now that there are a lot of folks that are experiencing a lot of stress and pressure right now. i know for me, i felt like in years past that people were kind of sometimes in denial, guests i would have on the show. they wouldn't focus on the

problems. i had to spend a lot of time being in their face, doing a wakeup call. i think now i'm sensing that people know what the problems are. so instead of income their face, i get to have their backs which i think is something i'm still very direct with. i still tell them the truth. i still put verbs in my sentences. i think they know what the problems are. we can just get to working out the solutions. and that's what this year is all b taking it to the streets, getting close to the people and focusing on the solution. >> how many cities are you going to? >> well, so far i've been to detroit, new york, philadelphia. and i think we're going to justin throughout the season. i hope to go to many different cities, chicago and dallas, of course, atlanta, then start moving towards the west. so i think we're just going to space it out throughout the season. so we can be showing up in anybody's hometown at any time. so, you know, that's fun for me. and going live is fun. >> larry: we have a minute left. we have a minute left. are problems different in different places? >> you know, i think there are

specific problems that define a community. but all in all, the thing that i've been impressed with is that people really are experiencing the same things whether it's in l.a., new york, chicago, detroit, everybody -- and there's a sense, larry, that we're kind of all in this together. and if we'll hang together, we get through it. everybody is feeling the pressure of the economy or fearing that their job is going to be taken away. a lot of parents are feeling guilty they can't do for their kids the way they have in the past. i have a lot to say about. that i really want to talk to people about that. so that's what we're doing. i'm hearing it all over the country. >> larry: phil, thank you, as always. always great having you with us. look forward to seeing you back home here in l.a. >> i'll be there soon. tell shawn i said hi. >> larry: i sure will. same to yours. dr. phil, starting his eighth season. how about that? and you know that my number one cause is fighting heart disease which is why i'd like to mention something to you now. the illness claimed the beloved wife, mother and teachert