person of interest and the search warn the was issued for his property. there you see him being put into a vehicle. that does it for "360." "larry king" starts now. see you tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. >> larry: tonight, patrick swayze, he made every woman want to be his dance partner or wife. the guy who was tender and tough is taken by cancer. grieving friends tell us what the world has lost. then, kanye west's outrageous act. >> taylor, i'm really happy for you and i'm going to let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. >> larry: stealing the mike and the spotlight from taylor swift. which kanye should we believe. dr. phil is here on the angry and apologetic side of the

two-faced rapper. the shocking developments next on "larry king live." good evening. family, friends and fans are mourning the death of actor patrick swayze. he lost his brave battle against pancreatic cancer at age 57 yesterday. we send our condolences to patrick's wife and family and will be speaking to his famous friends in a little while. joining us exclusively from palo alto, california is dr. george fisher, the oncologist who treated swayze in his last days at the stanford hospital and clinic. why is pancreatic cancer such a death blow, doctor? >> it's a difficult disease in part because it's always diagnosed so late. it's a disease where when symptoms develop, often times it has already reached a point where it cannot be removed. larry, if you forgive me -- >> larry: someone said today -- go ahead.

>> if you'll forgive me, i wanted to correct your first statement. we treated him at stanford on the context of a clinical trial. he was looking for new treatments for pancreas cancer. we were lucky enough to offer him that seemed to work for a while. the rest was given by oncologists in los angeles and they did a wonderful job taking care of him. >> larry: i'm glad we straightened that out. the treatment you tried work for a while, right? >> yes, it did. it was a clinical trial in which he received standard treatment and an experimental drug that has been in the press. he was able to finish the beast series while he was receiving that therapy. it was quite an accomplishment for patrick. >> larry: someone said today if every physical contained a c.a.t. scan, if insurance companies paid for it, c.a.t. scans would pick it up early? would it? >> i wish that were the case. i'm afraid it's not as simple as that.

it is a difficult disease to diagnose and sometimes a c.a.t. scan will pick it up early. certainly when it's caught early we have a chance of curing the cancer. unfortunately we don't know how often it can be done. there may be net injury looking at c.a.t. scans on everybody. it is a dilemma, diagnosing it early and we are trying to develop al garhythms to identify people at risk and less invasive tests to figure out who has got it and who doesn't. >> larry: patrick continued to work shooting the series while being treated. was it a good idea? >> it was a great idea. i had my doubts as to whether he could do it or not, but we had many conversations around that fact and he understood how difficult the treatment could be and how difficult the disease could be. it's just like patrick to say he's going to do it and nobody should get in his way. i was happy to step out of the way. >> larry: would you say let him do it? >> sludly.

>> larry: would you say surviving for two years was kind of amazing? >> it is amazing. i need to make sure that other people know that patients can survive two years or longer even with standard treatment. it's sad that not as many do. when people present with advanced disease as patrick did, disease that had already spread, fewer than one in four are alive in a year. for patrick to make it nearly two years is quite an accomplishment. i think that there were many people who can make it two years and further, just not as many as we would like. >> larry: he continued to smoke. was that a bad idea? >> at the point that one is diagnosed with cancer, there is little additional harm in it and if it seems to provide him some comfort or partly identity of who he is, i certainly have no objections to that. he would be the first to say if you don't smoke, don't start and if you do smoke, quit before you develop cancer.

>> larry: what kills you? if you have pancreatic cancer, i know prostate cancer doesn't kill you, it's the spreading that kills you. what kills you when you have pancreatic cancer? >> sadly it's true also for pancreas cancer. it can spread to the liver and lungs and abdomen and cause weakness and weight loss and ultimately the body becomes so weak, it's susceptible to other serious things such as infections. it's seldom the disease itself. it's more often that the disease weakens the body to a point where some additional illness takes over. >> larry: isn't it hard being an oncologist? oncologists are around death so much. >> that's certainly a good question. we're not the most popular people to have conversations with at parties, i'll give you that. i would say that oncologists tend to love what they do and that's because we interact with

patients at a critical time in their life and their family's. what's lost is we do a lot of good and people do do well with cancer. even those that don't do well, we can help them live with their cancer and live well for as long as their cancer allows them to live. there is value and day-to-day reward with that. but there's no doubt, it's sad to lose patients. >> larry: thank you, dr. fisher. thanks very much for your time. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> larry: dr. george fisher of the stanford hospital and clinic who treated the late -- it's hard to say that -- patrick swayze. his friends and fellow actors are with us to tell us what you may not know about the late actor, next. gae, and we're trying to grow it. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green.

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tonight. joining us here in los angeles, actress kelly lynch, who co-starred with patrick in "roadhouse." c. thomas howl, they were in three films together. and larry gilliard jr. who appeared with him in his most recent work, "the beast." patrick starred while undergoing treatment for cancer. what was he like to work with, kelly? >> he was the most adorable actor. the kindest guy. everybody on the set fell in love with him. i have had the extreme pleasure of working with almost every big actor on the planet. they've all been wonderful. he was something special. i've never seen the reaction to a superstar like the reaction that patrick had. >> larry: was he easy, thomas? easy to be with, easy to work with? >> yes. he was easy, but he was a

complicated person. he was an artist in a true sense. he was a great dancer and a musician and one of those people that when he put his mind to it, he became the best at what he wanted to be doing. >> larry: and a horseman. >> a great horseman. >> larry: you were with him. >> i spent a lot of time with him. >> larry: what was it like working with him in "the beast"? >> the same. he's an amazing person. even after he was diagnosed, he came to work and brought something to the table every day and that's something i learned. every day he came, he was 100%, going all out. just a true fofgs professional, know? >> larry: how do you explain how he handled his illness, that kind of spirit? >> the way he handled everything, i'm not going to let this stop me. he loved a challenge. i think he had a clear idea that he had a couple of years to live, but he wasn't going to let it stop him and he was going to

live as much as he could and wanted to keep working. >> larry: would you say his attitude over those two years didn't shock you? >> not at all. he was the same guy on the set, off the set. he was as good to the craft service person as he was to the star he was working with. he was dedicated to whatever it was he was doing. >> larry: thomas, did he talk about his illness? >> you know, i know he -- the thing that i admired, larry, the thing that -- he worked with larry through "the beast" after he was diagnosed. he wasn't afraid to continue his path. i think at the same time he was a guy known for his physique and he was athletic and extremely handsome guy. it was hard on everybody to watch him go through this process and see what took place. i mean, the toll physically. >> larry: what he looked like at the end. >> it was shocking.

>> larry: were there bad days at work, larry, for him physically? >> there were hard times for him, but patrick, the kind of person that he is, he covered it all. he covered it all. he went to work, he always had a smile. >> larry: did he complain? >> he didn't complain. there was one time he was working and he got sick, he did. he caught a cold or something. everyone freaked out because they're like, this might be it. it was just a cold. that was the worst i can remember on set. he came back a week later and he was back on set. >> larry: his last interview was with barbara walters in january. here's a small excerpt. >> are you scared? >> i don't know.

i'm being so truthful or stupid as to say no. then i immediately when i say that, i have to say yes, i am. >> that's so patrick. >> larry: kelly, one critic said today he wasn't so much a terrific actor as he was a presence. do you agree with that? >> you know, i also thought he was a terrific actor. or maybe what he was was a terrific entertainer. he had this incredible physical intelligence where he could make his body do whatever he wanted it to do. >> he didn't care about what people thought of him. >> no. >> right. >> he did his thing regardless of what the critics felt. >> larry: and the camera loved him, right some. >> absolutely. >> oh, my, yes. that was one thing. the camera even in his condition, i remember watching the dailies after he was diagnosed and the camera just loved this man. it would eat him up. >> larry: kelly, thanks for

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going out. he would call everyone. lisa got there and said he was not going to hang out as much. lisa joined us and we all hung out. the two of them were just like -- a few times i caught them on the dance floor just dancing. >> larry: he didn't make the tabloids until he got sick. >> he was a private guy. >> larry: then they were terrible to him, don't you think? >> it was rough. >> larry: we'll be back with more and gary busey will give us his thoughts, right after this. national car rental knows i'm picky. so, at national, i go right past the counter... and you get to choose any car in the aisle. choose any car? you cannot be serious! okay. seriously, you choose.

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>> larry: we are back with patrick swayze's friends and joining the group is actor gary busey who co-starred with patrick in "point break." what was he like from your standpoint? >> a wonderful spirit with direct focus. he loved improvisation and spontaneity. the spontaneity comes from an invisible idea that is there before the creation begins. we played together like that. it was no effort. it was without warning. we actually fed each other's fire of innocence and the performance. >> larry: you're talking about chemistry? you had chemistry? >> absolutely certain. it was lovely. patrick, i celebrate his live and his passing in a way that he has gone home and he's in a

special place. very special place. he will be around forever and ever. >> did you have the chemistry too, thomas? >> i think most of us that worked with him did. i had a connection with patrick, vital at times. i worked with him from the age of 14 to 16. i was young when i worked with him. >> oh, man. yeah. >> larry: he was a child star? >> he really took me under his wing. >> larry: did you call him a child star? >> he was a little bit older than the rest of us. he was in his mid-20s when it really happened for him. he had seen everything and been through it. >> larry: did he have anything in the last days, any kind of temper? >> not that i saw. >> larry: people with cancer at the end sometimes get intense. >> his idea was it was all about he was fighting it. we rallied around him that he was going to beat it.

we all rallied around. he was going to beat it. that was the attitude. no temper. he was always happy on set. >> he had fire. >> larry: you were going to say? >> the rap party at point break. i was there with all the cast and we were celebrating. patrick got in my face and said, okay, gary, you're going to come with me. pick me up at 4:00 a.m. at sunland. we're going to go to the valley and skydive. i said, what? we are going to skydive. put on a chute and by the plane, everything is going to go good. i said, i'm not doing that. i'm not doing that. he kept hammering me like an eel on a shark. he's not letting it go. finally this is patrick's focus. his perspective and his purpose with what he wants to get done. >> did you do it? >> i'm getting to that. >> larry: get to it. >> okay, larry. >> larry: what happened?

>> i said i will not abuse your trust. i will pick you up at 4:00 a.m. i went to paris valley, did six hours of ground school, froze in my mind when i was supposed to get out of the plane. i landed and when patrick went out he looked like a ballet dancer. i liked like a flying beaver without a chute. it was so much fun. he just pushed me to my great limits. not pushed me, but gave me the opening to go there. >> larry: patrick swayze had an intense serious side. he was ready to play for laughs as he showed when he guest hosted "saturday night live" in 1990 and did a chippendale's audition with chris farley. talk about dirty dancing, watch. ♪ everyone's watching to see what you will do ♪ >> larry: that is one of the funniest scenes in "saturday night live" history. >> here we go.

>> look at that. ♪ everyone's wondering will you come out tonight ♪ ♪ everyone's trying to get it right ♪ ♪ everybody's working for the weekend ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ everybody wants a new romance ♪ ♪ everybody's going off the deep end ♪ ♪ everybody needs a second chance ♪ ♪ oh you want a piece of my heart ♪ ♪ you better start from the start ♪ >> larry: that's funny. one of hollywood's biggest producer and long time friend is with us next. don't go away.

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>> i love you. i've always loved you. >> ditto. bye. ♪ >> larry: that may be the number one tear jerker of all time. "ghost."

hollywood producer laura ziskin is a founding producer of stand up to cancer. cancer survivor herself. she knew swayze well and is a cancer survivor herself. patrick stood up publicly in september of 2008 appearing on an unprecedented fund-raising program on all three major broadcast networks. watch. >> i keep dreaming of a future. a future with a long and healthy life, a not lived in the shadow of cancer, but in the light. i dream that everyone diagnosed will be fortunate enough to have hope. that every human being lost to cancer is not gone, but is standing here with us tonight. tonight i stand here, another individual living with cancer who ask that we not wait any longer. i ask only one thing of you. will you stand up with me? >> larry: laura, what was the impact of him doing that?

>> it was extraordinary. you know, i really met him after he was diagnosed with cancer. we asked him to open the show. he had not really been public yet. there he was, he stood in front of millions of people. he wrote those words himself. >> larry: you never produced a movie with him. you got to know him well after that. what do you remember most about him? >> he had such extraordinary dignity and humanity. just what you see on the screen. i wish i had worked with him as a producer. the camera is the ultimate truth detector. you could see this nobility and this dignity and this humanity. he had it, i'm sure, until the end. >> larry: you proud "spider-man," right? >> yes, i did. >> larry: you could have put him in it. >> absolutely. absolutely.

i so wish i had worked on that with him. >> larry: he would have climbed the walls without benefit of any special effects. >> you bet. he was extraordinary. >> larry: is stand up to cancer working? >> well, it's a great experiment. we just gave away $73 million. we raised over $100 million and we're very grateful to you, larry. i know you had katie and charlie and brian williams on. you've been a great supporter. we just have given away $73 million, including a very large grant to a pancreas team. it's team science across institutions and across disciplines. it's only when the scientists come together and work together do we have a chance. patrick died yesterday, but he was only one of 1,500 americans who died yesterday from cancer.

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when i get the emotion, you want to play the emotion. that's not what we as people do. if anything, we go to the ends of the earth to not let the emotion out. that's what rips an audience's heart out that makes you care. you are up there crying. >> larry: he was beloved by movie audiences, patrick swayze took a fair amount of flack from critics over the years. i asked him about that when we sat down for an interview in 1992. watch. >> how do you react to the critics? >> critics, pretty much they are on the level of the amoebas. the ones who have been around for 15 or 20 years. they're obviously jaded and cynical.

they destroyed amaddaos. they destroyed "ghost" and "dirty dancing," look what they did. i don't put much credence in what they say. >> larry: i looked like the pillsbury dough boy there. patrick swayze completed his memoirs, co-written with his wife. "the time of my life" will come out later this month. how will he be remembered? >> he will be remembered forever in what he gave to the american public. what he gave in his heart and his eyes and ambitions to help others. >> larry: thomas? >> simply put. i say fearless. he faced whatever challenges were in front of him and conquered it. >> larry: that's the way we will think of him. brave. larry? >> a true professional and amazing spirit. >> larry: we're going to close

this segment. singer larry gatlin is among the many mourning the loss of a friend tonight. larry joins us on stage from branson, missouri, performing his new album, "pilgrimage." it was released today. he and patrick swayze co-wrote the song "brothers." larry will sing it for us in a moment to honor his friend. how close were you together, larry? >> we were great buddies. i met him in 1986 and walked in an elevator in austin, texas in the centennial celebration. the elevator opened and i said patrick swayze. i love your acting. he said, larry gatlin, i love your singing and songwriting. i said, let's be friends. that's a great idea. i cherish his memory. that's exactly how it happened. later i wrote this song. >> larry: do for me and the audience there in branson who love you so much, do the song you and patrick wrote.

>> with blood brothers steve and rudy, for our other brother patrick. ♪ you've always known if anyone tried to get to you ♪ ♪ they'd first have to pass me ♪ you've always known i'd be by your side ♪ ♪ no matter what the situation might be ♪ ♪ when we were just boys we vowed our allegiance ♪ ♪ shoulder to shoulder against all others ♪ ♪ brothers brother brothers ♪ ♪ and brother you will never look for me ♪ ♪ brother you can go ahead and

walk into the fire ♪ ♪ because by your side is where i'll be ♪ ♪ when we were just boys we vowed our allegiance ♪ ♪ shoulder to shoulder against all others ♪ ♪ brothers brother brothers ♪ >> i spent a lot of good time with buddy as his friends called him and me and my blood brothers are singing for lisa and the family in california. we believe our good friend is dancing with the angels right now. ♪ when we were just boys we vowed our allegiance ♪ ♪ shoulder to shoulder against

all others ♪ ♪ brothers brothers ♪ >> that's for you, boy! >> that's for you, lisa. >> larry: thank you. what a song. what a show. larry gatlin. a great guy and a great talent. a salute to patrick swayze. thank you, guys. it's the theft that rocked the music world. kanye west stole the spotlight from taylor swift. hear what dr. phil has to say about it in 60 seconds.

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hijacked taylor swift's acceptance speech. here's some of what happened. watch and from philadelphia, we will get dr. phil's reaction. watch. >> taylor, i'm really happy for you and i will let you finish, but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. one of the best videos of all time. >> larry: okay, dr. phil, what's the psychological explanation of an occurrence like that? >> larry, obviously the behavior is just despicable. i mean, there's no other word for it. frankly, you just boil it down to simply being a bully. i can name you 10 or 15 people that he wouldn't have gone up and taken that mike from, but he did it with a 17-year-old girl because he could. to take it upon himself and be that insensitive to her, i thought it was just terrible.

>> larry: for what gain? >> i think it's all just kind of part of a narcissistic personality pattern. you always have to be the center of attention, you always have to have the spotlight on you. and you have a complete disregard for other people's thoughts or feelings. you have no sensitivities to it. i had people tell me he was drinking on the red carpet. maybe he had kind of dulled his senses. i don't know that. i did talk to taylor today and i talked to her mother, both. i did "the view" earlier today. when i was in new york they were on the show as well. i talked to them in the green room and she was upset, but she is getting past it at this point. >> larry: we are going to take a break and come back with dr. phil mcgraw. we'll ask him about the congressman and the tennis player. don't go away. that maybe has to choose between

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>> larry: we'll be right back with dr. phil. anderson cooper is standing by to host ac 360. what's up tonight? >> a lot of breaking news. former president jimmy carter saying the majority of anger and animosity towards president obama is because the president is a black man. comments are sure to spark controversy. we'll tell you what the president said and have all the angles. the breaking news tonight. the house voting to review joe wilson, the man who called president obama a liar. rising criticism that they should be dealing with more important issues like health care and jobs instead of playing politics. tonight we're keeping them honest. and the yale student murder mystery.

police not releasing autopsy results and interviewed about 200 people and questioned at this hour. are they closer to finding a killer? we have the latest on the investigation into what may have killed annie le. what president bush really thought of sarah palin. ahead, tonight, larry, on "ac 360." >> larry: that's anderson cooper, 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. barely 24 hours after acting out on the vma and expressing regret on his website, kanye west appeared on jay leno's new prime time show. take a look. >> i was fortunate enough to meet your mom and talk with your mom a number of years ago. what do you think she would have said about this? >> um -- >> would she be disappointed in this? would she give you a lecture? >> yeah. you know obviously i deal with

hurt and, you know, so many celebrities never take the time off and i never took the time off and music after music and tour after tour. i'm just ashamed that my hurt caused someone else's hurt. >> larry: he never really answered. he never asked why he did it, why he went on stage and did that. what's your reaction to why he said there? >> i found it highly evasive and going around and around. i kind of tried to dissect it. he said i'm sorry my hurt, implying he has pain that caused him to hurt someone else. that seems to be another dodge and explanation. look, there is a point at which you have professional courtesy you have some decorum. to just charge up on stage and there is a huge outcry, what do you expect? you go up there and bully a 17-year-old girl, people aren't going to take kindly to it. he did, they didn't.

so now he says, i need some time off to heal myself or take care of my hurt, my pain. i understand that. i hope he actually does. i don't know kanye west. but i think it's important for people to do this. i will say this in his defense. i think he certainly needs one. one of the things we focus on in psychology is that you have to separate the behavior from the person. the behavior was despicable. i'm not saying kanye west is despicable. i don't know the man. his behavior was despicable. we talk about serena williams. we followed her and she has been a great ambassador of tennis and represented herself and her family and the sport well worldwide. she had a really bad day. her behavior was unacceptable, but i don't think that you label her. and her whole life with that one act. again, she was evasive before she stepped up and apologized.

you've got to be accountable for this stuff. >> larry: dr. phil, haven't we all had bad day sntz camera was on serena reacting. it might have been on you or i during road rage. we could have looked like idiots. >> with serena, there are so many times she's been a gracious winner. she's been a gracious loser. there are times she has shown kindnesses to ball boys and ball girls. there are so many things that don't make a headline and then something negative happens and it does make a headline. doesn't mean the behavior is okay and doesn't mean she didn't get what she deserved in terms of being defaulted out of the match and find. by the same token, you don't do a freeze frame. if somebody caught you in a road rage and took that ten seconds and said this defines larry king, they wouldn't be fair. i don't think we should do that with kanye or serena, either

one. >> larry: how about another example, he was reprimanded in the house today. congressman joe wilson, standing up with the "you lie" when the president spoke. how do you reason that. >> that's poor impulse control. it's just our culture. you know, if you go overseas, if you go to england, for example, there's a lot of yelling and screaming and they have a debate and it's animated. that's not our culture here. i think people thought it was disrespectful. i thought it was disrespectful. i think he seriously regrets having done that. it's not the kind of decorum that americans look for. we have serious things going on right now that congress needs to be dealing with. to have this kind of distraction is not good. if he feels that, he can say so. you don't stand up and yell it out in a meeting like that. i think it embarrassed the united states. >> taylor swift was on "the view" today. here's some of what she had to

say about kanye. watch. >> my overall thought process went something like, wow, i can't believe i won, this is awesome. don't trip and fall, i'm going to get to thank the fans, this is so cool, oh, kanye west is here. cool haircut. kanye west is here, cool haircut, what are you doing here? and then ouch and then i guess i'm not going to get to thank the fans. >> larry: i thought she handled that quite well, didn't you? >> i talked to she and her mother backstage as i said. i think taylor is doing better than her mom. she's telling her mom, okay, we have to get past this. her mother said something that i thought was really, really a smart thing to say. she said, you know, dr. phil, i have to keep this in perspective because this is a problem

somebody taking the mike from her in an awards show. it's not a problem of somebody having a daughter that's dying or somebody being killed. this isn't tragic. it's just unfortunate that it happened. with my daughter, i'm sensitive to it. it seemed like she was getting it in perspective. i think she vented some when she talked to kanye on the phone. you know, i got the sense those two, mom and daughter, were doing much, much better. they were having a lot of fun. i think taylor swift is a class act and mature way beyond her years. i see why, after visiting with her mother. good lady. feet on the ground. a terrific class act. >> larry: apple don't fall far from the tree. >> no, i expect it doesn't. >> larry: we'll be right back with dr. phil. we'll ask him what the president said about kanye west, next. ever worn your clothes in the shower?

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>> larry: what do you make of the president calling kanye west a jackass? it was off the record, caught on audio tape. >> i don't think anybody would disagree with it. it was jackass behavior, right? that's the whole point. >> larry: all right. you are surprised at all, you've been going on eight years now, right? >> eight years, yes. we're coming into our eighth season at this point. and, larry, i got to tell you, we're having a ball.

we're taping live. we came to new york to do two shows. i'm in philadelphia now on tuesday night. we're live tomorrow morning. we're just taping -- our theme this year is taking it to the streets and talking to the people about what's going on in their lives. and i have found it absolutely inspiring to be out talking to folks. i mean we're walking up and down the sidewalk talking to people. we shot a show on a train. we're just out taking it to the streets. >> larry: what's the -- i see oprah is doing that, too. what is the idea? >> well, you know, i think right now that there are a lot of folks that are experiencing a lot of stress and pressure right now. i know for me, i felt like in years past that people were kind of sometimes in denial, guests i would have on the show. they wouldn't focus on the problems. i had to spend a lot of time being in their face, doing a wakeup call. i think now i'm sensing that people know what the problems are. so instead of being in their face, i get to have their backs,

which i think is something i'm still very direct with. i still tell them the truth. i still put verbs in my sentences. i think they know what the problems are. we can just get to working out the solutions. and that's what this year is all b taking it to the streets, getting close to the people and focusing on the solution. >> how many cities are you going to? >> well, so far i've been to detroit, new york, philadelphia. and i think we're going to just continue throughout the season. i hope to go to many different cities, chicago and dallas, of course, atlanta, then start moving towards the west. so i think we're just going to space it out throughout the season. so we can be showing up in anybody's hometown at any time. so, you know, that's fun for me. and going live is fun. >> larry: we have a minute left. we have a minute left. are problems different in different places? >> you know, i think there are specific problems that define a community. but all in all, the thing that i've been impressed with is that people really are experiencing the same things whether it's in l.a., new york, chicago, detroit, everybody -- and there's a sense, larry, that

we're kind of all in this together. and if we'll hang together, we get through it. everybody is feeling the pressure of the economy or fearing that their job is going to be taken away. a lot of parents are feeling guilty they can't do for their kids the way they have in the past. i have a lot to say about. i really want to talk to people about that. so that's what we're doing. i'm hearing it all over the country. >> larry: phil, thank you, as always. always great having you with us. look forward to seeing you back home here in l.a. >> i'll be there soon. tell shawn i said hi. >> larry: i sure will. same to yours. dr. phil, starting his eighth season. how about that? and you know that my number one cause is fighting heart disease which is why i'd like to mention something to you now. the illness claimed the beloved wife, mother and teacher last week. her name is gale williams. she was head of middle school at the bishop school in la hoya, california. i just visited that school. look at that lovely face. her energy, her integrity and commitment influenced young