world. though no one from china has died from the flu yet, infections are accelerating, of 9,000 cases so far, more than half of them happened in the last few weeks. >> it's basically affected all provinces of china and we are worried because of the sheer numbers of people involved which could place a huge burden on the health care system. >> reporter: with flu season starting and school back in session, there's concern the virus could mutate or combine with other strains to create a superbug that could be extremely contagious or even deadly. i'm fredericka whitfield, rick sanchez is next. this man, accused of a racist beating of a woman and her child at a cracker barrel. the fbi on it and so are we. you get a tin and you bury it down in there.

>> a.c.o.r.n., you fund them and they're caught doing this? there's a health care deal, but i'll tell you what you need to know about the leader of the pack. his money connections may as stound you. president carter said what many of you told us. he said the joe wilson debacle smacks of racism. and joe wilson has plenty to say about it, in our weekly r & r segment. thank you for talking about it. you're unusual in your profession. >> and then he hits me with a bombshell about his former chief fund-raiser. >> wait a minute, are you saying or intimating that the pressure put on him by fitzgerald and his gang is what led this man to take his own life? facing off with blago.

on your national conversation, for wednesday, september 16, 2009. and hello, again, everybody, i'm rick sanchez, coming to you from new york today, with the next generation of news, this is a conversation, this is not a speech and as always, it's your turn to get involved. yale university is where we're going to start, it's the place where a woman disappeared and found murdered. she was actually stuck in a wall. stuck in a wall. now we have just learned from police that she was strangled. annie le was a 90-pound grad students, voted most likely to become the next einstein in her high school. and get this, she was just two days away from getting married. two days away. in fact she was found on the day that would have been her wedding. wow. >> it's hard to believe that a

yale student was killed in a busy academic building in broad daylight, it's really horrifying for everyone in this community. >> parents are horrified as well. if your son or daughter went to yale, you would probably want to know what in the world is going on up there right now. and right now there is no single suspect in this case. no single suspect. stay with me here. although there is a person that is being investigated. whatever that means. still not officially arrested, by the way. i know, it's very confusing. >> at this point, we have looked at about 700 hours worth of video, we looked at over 100 people, some we have interviewed a second time. we have got over 150 pieces of evidence seized so far. >> here's what's even more surprising about this case, let me just take you through the facts. overnight that man that was being held who i just told you about who apparently is not a suspect but was taken into

custody. well, he was released. he's a yale lab technician, who's described as now a person of interest in this case. let me tell you more about him. he's a 24-year-old raymond clark, put in handcuffs, hauled away from his apartment so police could collect dna from his hair, from his saliva and his fingernails. we wanted you to hear from an expert on this case because i'm confused and you're probably confused as well. here's retired police officer lou polumbo. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm confused as how to it's possible that this guy could end up being not a suspect, but yet taken away and handcuffed by police. >> there's no confusion, he was arrested and he is a suspect. in order for him to be taken away in the manner he was, he has to be a suspect. he has some injuries to his body

that might be consistent with someone who was defending themselves. coupled with the fact of the videotape, they can probably account for his comings and goings and i'm sure there's a timeline he fits into. >> by the way, dan up here in atlanta. is there a constitutional issue here? can the police in the united states pick somebody up, handcuff them, throw them in the back of the car, take them awand and then start questioning them and then say oh, there's not an arrest? >> it's a little constitutional problem with that. the simple fact of the matter is, rick, if i prevent you from your freedom of movement, you're in a state of arrest if i'm a law enforcement agent. once i handcuff you, you are conclusively in my custody. and then you then have to support that with probable cause. you cannot arbitrarily take into custody and release them.

he's not a person of interest, he's a suspect, number one. let me finish what i'm about to say to you. but with all the information that has been floating around here, i have real good reason to think that this individual did it and they released him. clearly he's a flight risk. >> but you know they've got nine, ten people watching him at every moment of the day, please. >> you're assuming that. if hay had at least charged him and he had gone through an arraignment, a judge could have ordered him to wear a kind of surveillance device as we have become familiar with on his ankle so we could account for his whereabouts. what they're alluding to now is they have released him from custody and what restricts him? have they taken his passports? are they restricted him from leaving the city in i'm hoping they put a surveillance on him, but i'm not making that assumpti

assumption. >> we also have been watching the unbelievable assertions they have made so far that are down right scary, by the way, we're expecting a news conference from police in new haven, probably within the hour. prior to that we're going to run it so that you can see it for yourself. but some of the things they have been talking about. the fact that he's worked there, a and the fact that he worked with other coeds and the fact that he stuffed her in a wall. >> the only thing that this can be defined and is deranged. his familiarity with the area could be likened -- so he had intimate knowledge of the scene. >> so we have visions of a trap door since he put her in the wall. we're imagining this, it's probably not that complicated. >> i don't believe that it is. and what i said earlier in reference to this case is, i

believe they're going to take somebody into the custody based on just the dynamics surrounding this case and it was somebody familiar with this building probably working there in some capacity or another student, someone who had the opportunity to become familiar with that landscape. >> if this proves to be the guy who's guilty of this, as police seem to be intimating but not acknowledging yet, then you probably nailed this one. >> we'll see. >> lou palumbo, good to see you. let's talk about this now, caught on -- >> you're getting a gift from somebody -- >> okay. >> okay, but the money's got to go in the bank. >> these are a.c.o.r.n. employees who are caught on camera giving illegal advice to the public and they're doing so at your taxpayer expense. this is important stuff and i'm going to share it with you. also we finally have a health care bill. but i promise you that i would be all over the money angle of this story and i'm going to be doing just that for you.

guess how much this democratic senator, senator baucus has gotten over the years from health companies. you can't even imagine how much it is. should it matter? what do you think? also, twitter is atwitter today over this story. which is why i'm doing it. a racist attack on a woman at a cracker barrel. we're looking into it for you, stay with us.

welcome back. let's continue this conversation. i'm rick sanchez in our new york city studios today. why did i say new york city

studios today right here on columbus circle at the time-warner center. we call this a national conversation. so let's have a conversation. let's go to our twitter board. luew lou weez is writing. a.c.o.r.n. is corrupt from top to bottom. she writes using taxpayer dollars and union money as hired thugs to promote a liberal agenda. let's talk about a.c.o.r.n. what is is deal with a.c.o.r.n., a balanced look at the good, the bad and the ugly. a just released videotape, we have got that videotape and we are going to be drilling down. let's start with the video. here it is. the workers are caught, they say, set up by a filmmaker giving advice on how to run a prostitution ring. now, this sounds like a scene from a borat movie.

but this is serious. i'm going to take you through it, i'm going to let you listen to what they say. here's part of it. all right, i'm going to take you through its implications, it's implications to the president of the united states, it's implication to republicans. that's next. now, it's no problem. (announcer) neutroténa tone correcting night serum with high performance soy to even skin tone and active retinol to speed cell turn over. clinically shown to visibly fade brown spots in 14 nights. i even out my skin at night so it looks younger, flawless in the morning. (announcer) neutrogena tone correcting now you can fade and prevent discolorations all day. new tone correcting spf 30.

welcome back, i'm rick sanchez in new york. let's talk a.c.o.r.n. if you're like a lot of people, you're scratching your head and you're asking yourself, shouldn't i know exactly who a.c.o.r.n. is? everyone else knows right? yes, if they listen to right wing radio or tv, they absolutely know. they have been covered extensively in the past for stories that some say are of arguable importance. some might even say it's an agenda driven story. but now along comes this, video of a.c.o.r.n. employees doing

and saying things that clearly question their ethics and their viability. yes. the filmmaker who's shooting this video is an admitted right wing advocate, but that doesn't explain away that this group, who backed president obama is caught on camera suggesting illegalities. those are the facts. and more to the point, it's a group that was funded by you. by you, the taxpayer. they have received $53 million since 1994. now, here's the balance, you may not get elsewhere. a.c.o.r.n. has helped renovate hundreds of homes damaged by hurricane katrina. they have won millions of dollars from predatory lenders, and people facing foreclosure. they have intervened in court on behalf of gun control supporters and they have lobbied for higher wages and for public schools. that's important as well. it's the big picture in all of

this as you watch this report by cnn's abbie boudreau. >> reporter: the three videos show a.c.o.r.n. workers apparently offering help and advice to a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute. a.c.o.r.'s spokesman calls it a right wing set up. >> it's a sham, is what it is. it's journalism by borat. they're attempting to create news rather than report the news and dewsing oing so in a deceivt genuine way, and trying to trick people who are trying to help people. >> reporter: so far a.c.o.r.n. has fired four of the people seen in the videos. it questions the motivations of the filmmakers and suggests the films were doctored though it has not been able to produce any evidence to back that claim. >> we have been demanding the

raw footage, the unedited tape, the undocumented tape to find out what was really going on. >> reporter: in the latest undercover video, filmmaker james o'keefe and his accomplice go into an a.c.o.r.n. office. rather than call the police, a staff member advises the couple to hide their illicit income in a tin can. >> you get a tin and you bury it down in there and you put the money right in there and cover it and put it and you tell a single soul but yourself where it is. and cover it with grass, put the grass over. >> in an earlier video, d.c. workers advised the pimp on how to get his money and protect his good name after he tells them he intends to run for congress someday. >> what you're going to have to do is say they you're getting a

gift from somebody. >> okay. >> okay, but the money's got to go in the bank. >> and baltimore weighed in on how to hide the fact that the brothel was going to be staffed by young girls, brought in illegally from el salvador. >> when the girls come, they're really not going to be employees because they're not going to issue them with -- they're under 16. but on the other side of the turn, you can claim them as a dependent. you can use them as a dependent because they live in your home. let's say they're under 16. >> we tried to contact all of the workers in the three cities without success. abbie boudreau, cnn, atlanta. >> this is a complicated story and it involves complicated issues. not just in the story itself, but how the story was gathered and who gathered the story. that's important. and that's getting a lot of

reaction as well, including some i read to you just moments ago a comment from somebody who cant stand a.c.o.r.n. and thinks they're nothing but a liberal lap dog. this is on myspace, i got it while you and i were watching this report on the air. there it is, it's from chris, and chris said, right wing filmmaker exposes a place like a.c.o.r.n. and he's a hero in the eyes of the media. michael moore makes a film that exposes the corporate greed and he's considered the communist. that shows how fair and balanced our immediamedia really is. interesting perspective, i thought you would want to hear it. here's a couple of other a.c.o.r.n. notes, at least two lawmakers have now asked the department of justice to investigate the group, including allegations of voter fraud. the latest call comes from senator mike johans from nebraska. during the last election,

a.c.o.r.n staged a massive get out the vote effort but ends up being accused of falsifying voter registration forms. we also learned today that a.c.o.r.n. has halted new hires pending a wide ranging review of all pending operations. so there's movement on this story as we speak. and it also has ordered immediate restraining on what it calls it's front line staff. thanks for reading the book, by the way, i appreciate that, i really do. >> if i'm going to interview you and you have a book, i'm going to read your book. >> you're unusual in your profession. i'm glad that you do that. >> rod blagojevich has some -- is what he did really different from what other politicians do when it comes to fundraising? i mean, think about it, because that's an important question. i'm also going to next show you this story because, well, because i can.

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i'm coming to you today from new york city. i want you to watch this conversation with rod blagojevich, the former governor, comes across actually very forthcoming and certainly very revealing. is he telling the truth when he says he's no different than the rest of the politicians who are taking money for their campaigns? after all, the way is system is set up, all politicians have to raise money for their campaigns, or is he a shakedown artist as the feds seem to charge? listen to this, when i asked blagojevich about the allegations that are made by u.s. attorney patrick fitzgerald, let's start there. if fitzgerald was here and i could interview him and i wish i could, and let me not try and speak for him. but let me say what many other prosecutors might say, yes, that is the system, rick and politicians have to go out and scrounge for money for people to get elected. but this guy blagojevich, listen to what he did, he was shaking

down the children's hospital to not give them the funding until he got from them apparently some campaign contributions. he told the tribune, i'm reading again from what he said, he told the tribune and sent a message to the tribune that if they didn't fire their editors, he wouldn't work with them. so he's saying that you went beyond the pale, did you? >> as you are saying those things, those things are completely false and completely a travesty of what the real truth is. in both of those cases, when the full story comes out, you will see that it's upside down. in fact when it comes to children's health care, i was the first governor in american history to give every child health care in illinois and in the case of that particular hospital, there's a lot of information that you don't hear because that prosecutor who took snippets of conversation, won't let me tell you what's on those tapes and frankly, won't let you hear those tapes on the a. i'm the accused, i want you to

hear those tapes. my accuser has gone to court to prevent you from hearing those tapes. something is upside down here. >> is blagojevich right when he drops this bombshell on me yesterday when we were talking about prosecutors pressuring a man, prosecutors pressuring a man to commit suicide to get suicide on the former governor, on blagojevich? that man is chris kelly, who was blagojevich's former chief fund-raiser. listen to this. >> it appears that there is a pattern emerging and that is that my accusers were not satisfied with the jail sentence that he had in those cases and they were putting pressure on him, offering possibly to reduce his sentence, i have been told by lawyers if he would lie about me. he chose to tell the truth, refused to lie about me, except that his wrong doing and his responsibility and then sadly, he took his life.

>> that's a heck of a charge, a heck of a thing to say, so obviously as you might imagine, if somebody were to say that about you, you would call the media and say what's going on, and we did. we talled patrick fitzgerald's office today saying that the former governor is saying you pressured this guy to kill himself. what's your response? so far, the only response we have gotten from fitzgerald is no comment. by the way, you can see my entire interview with the former governor rod blagojevich on my blog, you can go there right now, cnn.com/ricksanchez. when i come back, there is a new health care proposal, is this the one to finally make it through? and this is an even more important part of the story that i want to tell you about. we have been looking into this, and there's a story out, the ap is reporting just how much money senator baucus, the guy who's in charge, the leader of the gang of six as they're called, how much money do you think he has raised, how much money has he gotten from health care

industries? you're not going to believe this figure.

as we roll along, let's get you involved in this conversation, welcome back, i'm rick sanchez, here's what you have to say on twitter. let's go to our twitter page. let's start with pamela, shouldn't blago be a little more concerned about the court of law and a little less concerned about the court of public opinion? and a.c.o.r.n. has educag good intentions, but they need to hire educated people to give advice. all these town hall meetings, all the fighting that we have been bringing you on this newscast as well as many others, today we have got a

product that has come from this long, ugly, arduous debate, it's an $856 billion health care overall bill whose cheerleaders say stands the best chance of making it through both houses of congress and eventually on to the president's desk. and there's the man who's designing it, by the way, and he backs it and admits that zero republicans on that so-called gang of six negotiators are signing off on this so far. that's democrat max baucus, he's the man who incidentally is a huge, huge recipient of health care industry money. i promised you that on this newscast, we're going to find out who these players are and how much they get in campaign contributions. so here you go, mr. baucus, we're going to tell folks at home right now how much you get, here's a dollar figure, nearly $4 million since 1989, $4 million. that's more than everybody get

the president of the except the president of the united states. that's what max baucus has collected from the health care insurance industries. is that important in is that a big deal? darn tooten. his bill, by the way, and this is another important part of this looks pretty good to the health care industry. namely because of a missing government-run insurance option. i'm going to tell you where you can read that whole bill in a minute. but i want you to watch this first. it's senator baucus, trumpeting his bill, just a couple of hours ago on cnn. delivers on the vision for meaningful health care reform. i share it with president obama and millions of americans of all stripes that goal. it meets the criteria laid out by president obama and it could achieve our common goals for health care reform. it reflects months of work.

and more than a year of preparation by our committee. it represents an effort to reach common ground and a real chance for health care reform. and it is balanced, a common sense bill that can pass the senate. >> but then there's that campaign contribution issue, which might make one wonder, if not just baucus, but perhaps others might be tainted in this argument as they try and negotiate what's best for us, is it best for us or the people who are giving him the campaign contributions? look, it's a fair question. you don't think i would be reporting this to you without giving him a chance to respond, right? you're right, we have called his office all day long, we have asked him to respond. here's what he's done for us, he has given us a statement, essentially a statement that he issues to anybody whoever asks this question of his office. it seems to be like a form letter. but i'll read it to you to be

fair frsenator baucus. for more than 30 years i have served the people of montana, money plays no influence on how i make my decisions, i resent any implications that i'm influenced by special interests, i pride myself on calling decisions as i see them. if it's right for the folks of montana, after all, they're my employers, it's right for me. $4 million, almost, you decide. if you want a scan of this whole bill as it was unveiled today. we have got it, go to money.cnn.com. and you can look there for the link. since baby stevy has become a jesus freak. >> he's talking about alec baldwin, by the way. this is kind of funny but it's also good, but think about this, what's it like to be a baldwin

brother and how much courage does it take to come out an national television and admit that you are broke? stephen baldwin recently called me at home one day when i was there hanging with my family. because he told me he wanted to share his story with you. so my interview with him, which includes by the way, a great impression of his brother alec. that's coming up next.

hay, by the way, i just wanted to remind you, hold on prompter, i'm just going to ad lib here a little bit. i told you at the beginning of the news and i have mentioned to

you again, that there is a case that the police are calling a hate crime in georgia. i should let you know that we're going to be talking about that in just a little bit. i know it's a story that's really taken off on the twitter world and the blog world. roland martin is going to be joining us, and at 8:00 tonight, i'm going to be doing the show on cnn. i'm going to be interviewing the woman who was attacked at the cracker barrel restaurant. and also the leader of a.c.o.r.n., the administrator of a.c.o.r.n. has called and said she is willing to come on tonight to give her version of the story, tonight at 8:00. so stand by for those, i'll be doing those shows. tough question for you. if you were broke and couldn't make your mortgage payment, you filed for bankruptcy protection and you happen to have one of

the most famous last names in showbiz, would you feel bad and hiding in a corner somebody and not wanting to look at anybody or talk to anybody? or would you go on cnn and talk with me, rick sanchez and talk about it? i know one guy who would. in fact he did. his name is steven baldwin. we had actually a fantastic conversation yesterday. he happens to be a regular viewer of our show. he likes what we do here every day at 8:00 he reached out to me personally, and he wants you to hear his story, straight from h him. he went from the showbiz fast lane. a lot of people who find themselves at the presents in the same situation that you are, notwithstanding your celebrity status, it's a common place rights now in our history. what are your brothers saying to you as you go through this

ordeal? >> huge support, just like my walk of faith. nobody has stood by me as much as my immediate family and my wife and my kids and all of that. what's interesting is, hey, with such-posing idealogy and political point of view, they are the best. we're still brothers at the end of the day. so for me, they have been a great blessing. >> so you're saying they tend to be a little bit more aggressive, where whereas you see it doesn't get in the way at all? >> i can see in certain public forums where i get that phone call. >> do you have arguments at family get togethers. >> we don't have arguments at family get togethers. >> you do have arguments? >> we have arguments down in the basement like we used to. but -- >> the baldwin brothers are kind of an all-american family. i grew up in a family of three boys too so i wonder how you

guys do it. >> since baby stevie has become the jesus freak, it's not easy. here's the thing. >> do they call you a jesus freak? >> no, by'll gi but i'll give y example. not too long ago in my conservative point of view which can be aligned with the republican party. my brothers and i were smoking a cigar and he turns to me, my god, who would have ever thought? i said, what, steven, 20 years sober, born again and a republican. i said, no, no, i'm not a republican, i'm registered independent. long pause, he goes, you may be registered an independent, but we all know you're a republican sympathizer. it was a joke. >> a guy who's very comfortable with himself talking about some very real things and as we

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welcome back, i'm rick sanchez. by the way, that interview that i was doing just a little while ago with steven baldwin, i was going to say billy baldwin, i get all the baldwins mixed up all of a sudden. is somebody commented on it. he's not the only one, there are people who agree. my husband is a cop and i am an emt. we are now almost lamenting the fact that our career choices didn't include the other kind of public service. a pimp and a prostitute, seem to have a much better chance of getting a home loan that we do. that's an interesting perspective. all right, police officers, they're not supposed to pull a driver over unless they have probable cause. does that probable cause include being naked? let's go fotos. this guy right here, riding

a motorcycle in the raw. look close, that's right, mr. breezy here was going down the highway completely naked. i got to laugh out at roland, he's sitting next to me, his reason, mr. breezy is he doesn't exactly know why he did it. but we do know this, it may have something to do with the alcohol because he failed a breathalyzer test and he was arrested for being drunk while riding a motorcycle naked. thought you ought to know. did you see this yankees pitcher hits a toronto bluejay and he hits another batter right after he's done with that one. so finally in the eighth inning, blue jays pitcher jesse carlson threw at jose posada. posada took offense, finally he gets on base, shouting and posturing takes place. but when posada goes by him, he

brushes him. now katie bar the door, a few minutes later, the dugout's all empty. he bumped carlson and everybody knows it. he took offense, punches are thrown, equipment scatter everywhere, an umpire goes missing. this is no basic crawl. posada and parol son both end up getting esected. if you get this whole bean ball thing, please twitter it and explain it to me. because i do not understand the bean ball principle of baseball. it has something to do with honor, i know that. >> it's all pay back. roland, getting red twri to tell us what he thinks. look at this one roland. semper poratus is the coast guard motto, it means always ready, always prepared. they manage to fish five men out

of the water after the boat starts taking on water. it goes off without a hitch. fortunately for us the coast guard filmed the entire thing. it's amazing. just on a personal note, i have lived here the ocean most of my life, and i'm an aftvid boater,n tell you, the coast guard, nobody works harder, they're the tops in my book. sorry, it's my friends roland over here who's got some jabs coming my way. >> blame it on the brother. jimmy carter says racism has motivated the animosity of the president of the united states. and we have got this incident in morrow, georgia. we're going to put the two together and ask the question, what's going on in this country as it per feigns to race? stay there.

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is. welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. one week after fast becoming the most famous heckling of a president under the capitol dome or infamous, depending on your perspective, south carolina congressman joe wilson's shout of you lie at the president of the united states is raising new question about race and politics in america. look, this is something many of you had treated about me and i never report it had or said it because we just didn't want to go there, but somebody else has gone there and raised the specter or the issue of racism in this and it's jimmy carter, former president of the united states, weighing in, saying that wilson's outburst is part of a disturbing trend, a trend based

in racism. listen to what the former president told nbc news yesterday. >> an overwhelming portion of the intentionally demonstrated animosity towards president barack obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's african-american. racism in connection still exists, and i think it's bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that african-americans are not qualified to lead this great country. >> he's from georgia, and guess what? there's another story out of georgia. we have just learned that this woman who the fbi and police are saying was beaten up by a man who was beating her up in front of her daughter and while he did so he was calling her the "n" word, she's going to join me tonight here on cnn for an

exclusive interview at 8:00, and there's something else i've got to share with you now because roland is standing by right here. >> yeah. >> i was just told by my prodieser that we have just acquired that video of the president of the united states saying an off-the-cuff comment about kanye west. did you hear about that? >> i didn't hear that. i did hear about that. >> help me out here, will you? >> yeah. >> you've got to help me out. >> of course. >> what did he say? did he say something -- >> called kanye west a jackass. >> apparently that's a report that's been read. we've now got it and will be able to play it. >> initially an off-the-record conversation. >> i wonder if it was really off the record and we'll -- you and i will have that argument in a minute. first, stay right there. we'll go to break and when we come back we'll hear the president of the united states calling kanye west a jackass. >> yeah. >> okay. we'll be right back. a smidge? y'know, there's really no need to weigh packages under 70 pounds. with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service, if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate.

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beyonce. it's kind of interesting. we want you to listen to it and then we'll talk about it with roland. >> the young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. she's getting her award. what's he doing up there? >> why did he do that? >> he's a jackass. no, now, all this stuff -- >> that's what -- >> i'm assuming all this stuff. >> what's going on here? >> come on, guys. cut the president some slack. >> there it is, all right. in our r & r segment we'll talk about that. here's roland standing by. let's do that first. there's two other stories that i want to catch you up on. >> all right. >> let me just go to the facts here. is there a possibility that the president of the united states didn't do this on purpose? i mean -- didn't do this as a mistake, that he knew that by calling this guy a jackass there's a lot of people in a certain constituency who will say, see, he's calling out the brother here, no? >> i think that frankly is irrelevant. here you've got a father who is

a father, two children, a guy acts a fool, prominent story. young girl who wins, young lady who wins the award. that's what it is. >> so this president is beyond make veilianism, beyond politics. he doesn't do everything he does thinking about how is this going to serve me? >> first of all, anything it possible. >> right. >> but i don't look into every action of any president whether it was president obama or bush or clinton and say, hmm, there's a political angle of him making this comment. >> i've been doing this journalism thing my entire life. i always look for the ankle. you think he just said what everybody else is thinking black or white. >> sure. i've had instances of interviewing politicians where you're talking about things that are not related to the subject and frankly you're not going to report elsewhere, and the there is a part of the give and take. >> let me talk about something else now. two stories about racism i want to tell you about now, both in the news. one is the macro version, the big picture. the other is the micro version, a more focused first.

first the macro. former president jimmy carter saying opposition to president obama and congressman joe wilson's outburst by saying you lie -- the president says it's -- don't run this sound bite here, dan, is based on racism. now move up, prompter. some would argue that the president has jumped the gun, that he may be wrong, that some people are really just concerned about the president's policies. okay, fair enough. i want to tell you about the other story, the micro story, all right, an army reservist. her name is tashaunia hill with her 7-year-old daughter coming out of a cracker barrel. she opens the door and another man coming in at the same time and as he comes in he hits her doubt we are the door. the man rather than apologized continues on and the woman says you've got to be careful, you almost hit my son or you almost hit my doubt remember? right. >> and it turns out that he beats her up, calls her the "n" word. now it's a height crime investigation. the fbi is looking into it. that and the carter thing, is that the state in america of what's going on with racism, and i haut to say this but