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animosity toward president barack obama is based on the fact that he is a black man. >> larry: could he be right? racism in 2009 america next, on "larry king live." good evening. a couple of things. next monday night in new york, live, president bill clinton will be our special guest. you may have noticed the fancy new table here. we are now in hd every night. good evening, there are major developments in a murder that rocked the yale university campus. let's get right to them with reporter with wstb in new haven, tonight. what's new in this case? >> what's new in this case, he's still not considered a suspect, raymond clark, he's a person of interest, in fact the only

person of interest. they had a press conference here, talked about going over 250 pieces of evidence which were not only collected at the crime scene but also at raymond clark's house. they also tell us they interviewed more than 150 people, but at this point, they say the focus of their investigation is on raymond clark because they tell us, while they have talked to other people, he is definitely their person of interest. >> why did they release him? >> what is that? i'm sorry. >> why did they release him? >> they released him because at this point, he is not considered a suspect, he's not been charged with anything. officially, they really can't hold him, although they don't want to simply let him go. he was released about 3:00 this morning from the state crime lab. they took him there in the middle of the night, opened the state crime lab and did all types of dna testing, such as saliva, blood samples.

they released him at 3:00 in the morning. he is staying with family in cromwell a neighboring town to middletown. he is not very far away. we know undercover police detectives are watching him very carefully because they don't want him to leave the area. >> who is he? >> who is ray clark? he is someone, we know he's 24 years old, went to branned for high school. he is an honor student and was in several clubs. when we saw the yearbook, we saw he was mentioned as being a member offer the asian awareness clurks on the baseball team, an honors student. we're not sure how long he worked at yale but it an employee and listed as a lab technician and takes care of the mice. annie le is a graduate student, she did research on mice. clark's job is actually taking care of the mice she did research on. we know they worked together, he had access to that build iing. they knew each other, but their

relationship at this point really has not been determined. police are not saying if they were having some type of intimate relationship, they're staying away from that, the only thing they're saying is they knew each other and they worked together. >> larry: thanks, susan, we'll be calling on susan again as we continue to cover this terrible story. let's go to pittsburgh and meet rocky, a friend and mentor of the late annie le during their internships at the national institutes of health. what was she like, rocky? >> she was a fantastic student. when she was an undergraduate at the university of roch chest e she invested a scholarship, national institutes of health and scholars program and as part of that, she got to spend her summers at the nih. because she was very interested in things that had to do with tissue regeneration and development, she chose to come to my laboratory and work on adult stem cells.

fantastic student, tremendous stamina, motivated, intelligent, very passionate about her work. just a delight to have in the lab. >> do you know of any problems she might have had with anyone. >> absolutely none. she was one of those people that literally got along with everybody else. she had a very bright personality, always upbeat, can do attitude. if something doesn't work out in the laboratory, particularly experiment, she would figure out ways to get around it, get over it. ask for help and just a delightful person. everybody loved her. >> larry: rocky, you stay with us. you'll be joining part of our panel in a couple moments. want to spend a couple moments with pastor dennis smith in new haven, spokesperson for the families of the victim and her fiance, jonathan, pastor of the

seventh day adventist church. what can you tell us about the deceased? >> when i became involved with the families, they asked if i would be willing to read a statement from them on their behalf and gave me an opportunity to become acquainted with the family. i did not personally know the deceased but i have had opportunity to become acquainted with her family and also her fiance's family a bit. but primarily annie's family. i must say the reason i was interest in sharing with the community is the wonderful family that they are. they have been so loving and supportive of one another and very appreciative of what everyone has, from the yale university staff administration, from the law enforcement agencies, their professionalism, also their compassion.

i just -- my purpose is i just want the community to know again what a loving family they are and very thankful for what's been done in their behalf. >> do you know the fiance? 95 met the fiance a very lovely young man. but i do not know him personally. >> larry: so the family is happy about the way she was treated and the way this story is being treated by everyone involved? >> yes. they feel that every agency that's been involved has been very respectful, has --of course, they have kept asking, and i think this is appropriate that is correct their privacy be respected. i believe, in essence, that has taken place. that again is my role. i want to do as much as i can to help maintain that privacy but

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>> larry: with us in pittsburgh, ricky tuan, the friend and mentor to annie le. and joining us from new haven is thomas kaplan, editor and chief of the "yale daily news," the newspaper published by the university. he did not know annie le personally, but he's done extensive coverage. has yale ever had anything like this, thomas? >> not in a long time. a yale student was found murdered about 11 years ago. that was the last time anything reached this magnitude. this is really a campus in shock. i mean, no one here was prepared for something like this, that's for sure. >> larry: how does a campus newspaper cover this with all the attention it's being given by the other media? >> larry: well, it's nothing we've ever, ever experienced before, but we do have some advantages covering a story like this. one story we wrote yesterday, the building where annie was found on sunday was actually not cordoned off until the weekend, and we were able to send reporters into the building to look around because they were yale students and had yale i.d. cards. that's the type of thing we can do that most news organizations

cannot do. >> larry: rocky tuan, she was interned at the national institute of health. rocky, what was her goal? what did she want to do professionally? >> annie's undergraduate degree was in biology and she was very interested in applying that type of knowledge to gain further training and try to come up with methods to take care of diseases, particularly diseases that require new tissue to form and develop and so forth and so on. so she was always very excited about using biological knowledge to improve health. and so she, as she said to me as well as to many of her friends and colleagues, particularly dr. fay chin, who was one of my associates, who worked very closely with annie, when she grows up, she said, i want to

use these technologies to help people to come up with methods to treat diseases and so on and so forth. so she was very excited about the potential of all these new biomedical advances. so she wanted to be a professor, in academia. she also talked about coming back to the nih to be an investigator. so she had a great future ahead of her. >> joining us now from connecticut, dr. henry lee, our old friend, chief emeritus the connecticut state police, founder and professor of the forensic science program at the university of new haven. and in washington is pat brown, the well-known criminal profiler, founder and chief executive officer of the sexual homicide exchange, that's she. dr. lee, the official cause of

death is traumatic asphyxia due to neck compression. strangulation, is that the simple way to put it, doctor? >> yes. basically, external force compressed the neck. could be a strangulation, could be manual, could be ligature, could be some heavy force, heavy object compressed the neck. >> larry: can marks on the neck, other than fingerprints, help find a suspect? >> yes. could be any ligature mark, could be any object. and of course, the medical examiner hasn't released the information yet. i'm sure, eventually, they're going to compare all different objects, try to determine what's exactly caused the neck compression. >> larry: pat brown, is it much too early to profile a suspect? >> i don't think so. i think there's actually a lot of good information here. since we know it's an insider, somebody who worked at the lab, it's like somebody who had contact with annie le, knew her, and the fact that she struggled

so hard against him, there's some -- at least this suspect, oh, wait, person of interest, being politically correct about it. but this man they picked up, they said he had scratches on his chest and some say on his arms. and we're having a manual strangulation. that means face to face, this man has her on the ground, he is strangling her, she's fighting back. and that indicates a great deal of rage, possibly rape, and, obviously, he has an interest in this woman in some way, shape, or form. my guess is an obsession, that he liked her, she didn't give him the time of day and that made him terribly, terribly angry. >> larry: so this is not a random killing? >> absolutely not. if it would have been a serial killer from the outside, he wouldn't have gone to all the work of hiding his clothing and hiding her body. he would have just run out. he knew this girl. he targeted her. i don't think it was premeditated, he probably just came up to her quite often and she being a friendly, wonderful girl, she didn't realize he was thinking about her and perhaps,

now she's getting married, so guess she's not interested in me, i'll show her. and i think that's what was going on in his little mind right before the attack happened. >> larry: we thank rocky tuan for joining us. our other guests remain. is an arrest imminent? we'll talk about it and we'll hear what the new haven police chief has to say in 60 seconds. national car rental knows i'm picky.

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getting an arrest warrant would be the matter of just a couple of hours and we would expect, particularly if it's someone we have under surveillance, that the arrest would take place very quickly. >> larry: pat brown, the person of interest willingly gave his dna. could that clear him? >> well, depends. if the dna doesn't match, it could clear him, obviously, entirely. but the question is, i'm thinking the dna they're looking at is underneath of annie le's fingernails, because she did scratch, at least, that's the theory. they must have found something. i think they know a lot more than they're telling us. that's where they're going to find the best evidence of all. and also, possibly, on the shirt. because that shirt would have possibly her blood on it if the perpetrator was wearing that shirt. and there's a possibility there's his dna on that shirt or some kind of hair that would also match the crime. i think this is going to be a heavy dna case, in spite of all the circumstantial evidence, they need that dna to match and i think they know it's probably going to come up that way. i think they've got their dna and they're just looking for their exact match to the suspect. >> larry: is the yale campus secure? could that murder have been prevented? next.

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tv show "judge joe brown." joe was telling me, during the break, of another interesting angle in this, which has not been brought up. which is? >> see, i handle a lot of criminal cases as a defense lawyer, prosecutor, and judge. and what's suggested by this evidence, that everyone's rushing to blather on about is fuzzy little animals being experimented upon in the cause of medicine, the campus is very open, there's no way to secure this. it looks like an old time downtown area that's going downhill. >> larry: you're saying it can be an animal activist? >> ah, yes, animal activist. they've been supposedly engaging in increasing acts of what homeland security calls domestic terrorism. but supposing somebody walked in on this. now, the lady that was just on talked about face-to-face choking, but the medical examiner's report says it's not necessarily by hand. it could be something like a pipe or a heavy object. why would you, if you're trying to get away with it, and you

worked in the lab, known to the person, stuff her body in a wall? it's going to smell due to decomposition very quickly, so you're not going to get away with it, but this is just the type. maybe she walked in on something unfortunate. >> larry: pat brown, has he got a point? >> i'm not agreeing with any of it. absolutely not. i think it's a ludicrous theory, if i ever heard one. this is a very secure campus. >> well, i disagree with the lady. >> hold on, hold on. >> let me finish. >> larry: judge, judge, i'll hold you in contempt, judge. >> this is a secured area, so you have to get in with a card, that's number one. number two, the reason the body was hidden there was because this was not a terribly well premeditated crime. in other words, this was a rage crime, possibly with sexual intent to it. and once he's committed this, he's got a problem. he can't just run out the door, because the body will be found immediately. he works in that building, he's got to hide the evidence, people will see him in his shirt, they're going to find the body and he doesn't want to be around when that happens.

he did a good job, he hid her. five days it took. he gets to go home, clean up, shower, he's got five days, he's got time to work with. he's hope iing it won't be foun. >> larry: pat? >> yes. >> larry: are you convicting this person of interest already? >> no, i'm saying the person who committed this, the perpetrator worked in the lab, that's all i'm saying. >> larry: could it have been someone -- so it wouldn't have been an animal activist? no chance? >> absolutely not. this was not an outside crime. an animal activist would want to make a statement that what she was doing was horrible. there was no statement. this is basically a sex crime and her body was hidden because of it. >> larry: got it. dr. lee, is this definitely a dna case? >> yes. definite. of course, there are other evidence involved. this case, usually, we use a four-pronged approach. the first one is our data

monitor. look on the videotape, there are 750 hours of videotape available. also, look at those key cards and activity. whether or not we can find certain time period that the victim and the person of interest are together. the second thing that we look at is her activity. try to see. because on the videotape, she was seen. after that, she goes to the basement to inject the animal and the person of interest, where's he located? the third thing is any witness available, the last one is physical evidence. of course, police report they collect 250 items of evidence. which, i think, that's kind of misleading a little bit. 250 items, not all the items have scientific evidence value.

so the laboratory scientists have to go through those 250 items, try to find the linkage. that's why police chief was correct in this case, probably take a little while until the dna evidence show any connection and try to solve this case. >> thomas kaplan, you know the university better than anyone. could anyone have gotten in to see her? >> could anyone have gone to see her? well, the key thing -- >> larry: i mean, is it easy access or not easy? >> no, it was not. that's what is important here. this is an ultramodern building and it requires you to swipe an i.d. card to get into almost any room in the building, including the basement. so investigators have a record of who got into the basement last tuesday, which is around the time when annie went missing. >> larry: so, joe, i think your theory's getting -- >> no, it's not. see. when i went to ucla, we had friends in the engineering department.

they'd get schematics and they would make swiping key cards, laminate them between plastic playing cards. >> larry: don't you think it's a lot of trouble for an animal activist? >> see, that's the point. we have something that they put out there, they tried to make a great deal about, that's miss, how do you pronounce it? how do you pronounce that? >> larry: i don't what you're talking about. >> hromadka, his girlfriend. she supposedly put on her myspace page. she says, who are you to judge me, who are you to judge the life i live? i know i'm not perfect and i don't live to be, but before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean, the 23-year-old wrote. that may be a message to somebody, typical animal rightist, before you start talking about how bad i am, what are you doing? to counter? that could be. it's speculation. really, it's too premature to do that.

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thomas kaplan, editor in chief, "yale daily news," what's the mood on campus over this? >> well, i mean, this is really a campus in mourning. i think what's so shocking, larry, is just the idea that a yale student could be killed in broad daylight in a secure academic building in the middle of the week. that's something no one is

prepared to wrap their head around. >> larry: why, pat brown, do police announce something as person of interest? what does that mean? >> i think, larry, that's just become a politically correct term. somewhere along the way, suspect was too nasty a thing to say about somebody, because it pointed to them as being involved in the crime. and really being suspected. but person of interest, oh, we're just curious about him. well, let's face it, when you're interested in a person, you're interested in them because they might be the person who did it. so suspect, person of interest, quite frankly, the same thing, just a politically correct, you know, one of those things we say today. >> larry: judge, is there a danger in shows like this and many others of preconvicting? >> yes, i think it is. we engage in this talking and hear blather about information we don't have correctly, the information's not accurate. it's second, third hand, fourth hand and we start talking about what went on instead of being patient. the only reason i threw that

example out there is just to contrast it with what everybody wants which is a dramatic movie. we don't know enough and it is not our business to speculate and i think we just need to say, we have the latest release, more when it becomes available. >> larry: that's the nature of the beast, these days. >> right. it's ratings. i've been exposed to that these days. >> larry: shocking! dr. lee, strangelation must be a terrible way to die, isn't it? >> yes, it's a contracting of air pass through the neck, actually, there is three different mechanisms, constructions of the blood vessel and the air. any traumatic death, it's a tragedy. this particular case, of course, she's going to get married soon. and just, you know, something happened to her. unfortunately, that happened.

that's not why the law enforcement agency in connecticut worked together, tried to solve that case. larry, you just mentioned, you know, dna. dna, basically, we have to try to find any suspect's dna on victim's body or victim's body on victim's body or victim's dna on suspect's body, try to cross-link. if you can find a linkage, this case will be solved. >> larry: dna is more foolproof than fingerprints, isn't it? >> yes, fingerprints sometimes it's difficult to find. this particular case, you have bloody clothing on the ceiling tile and that clothing, will first, have to establish that's the person's clothing. second, the victim's dna found on the clothing. and of course, they took the fingernail scraping from the person of interest. hopefully, on her dna under his

fingernail. or his dna under her fingernail. >> larry: well, we'll stay on top of this and hopefully deal with it more when more facts are in. judge joe brown, thomas kaplan, dr. henry lee, and pat brown. we have a great show for you monday night. bill clinton will be here. we'll talk about health care reform, this year's global initiative. our next subject, president jimmy carter's explosive comments about race. vibrating bristles deep cleag break up plaque between teeth for an enhanced deep clean. manual control plus deep cleaning power. the oral-b pulsar. so metlife removedily's "ifs"the guesswork.ing. combining two essential insurances... term life and disability... in one affordable package. start building your safety net with our term life and disability tool at metlife.com

>> larry: former president jimmy carter stirred up a hornet's nest with his remarks about race yesterday. and about an hour ago, had even more to say at a town hall meeting at emory university in atlanta. watch and then we'll introduce you to our guests. >> when a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler, or when they wave signs in the air that say we should have buried obama with kennedy, those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted, even with people who disagree. and i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal

attack against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it's a racist attitude and my hope is and my expectation is that in the future, both democratic leaders and republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the united states. >> larry: all right. our panel here in los angeles, larry elda. l libertarian commentator. in las vegas, reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network. in new york, the social commentator, nancy giles. also in new york, se cup, the conservative columnist and author of "why you're wrong about the right." based on the way he just explained it, larry, isn't racism obvious?

>> i would like to show due respect to the former president, so i will phrase it this way. what former president jimmy carter said, larry, was a crock. in 1993, there was broad opposition on the part of republicans against the intrusion of government into health care. that intrusion was led by a white man, bill clinton. republicans opposed the intrusion of government and health care for the same reason. policy. >> larry: didn't call him hitler or talk about monkeys or anybody bring up -- did anyone make a racial incident about bill clinton? >> do you want to talk about disrespect, what people said about george w. bush, about signs being held up. >> larry: okay. so you're saying there was no racism in any of these protests or any of these people? >> you're always going to find wing nuts. the question is whether or not the opposition to obamacare about race and racism? and it is not. >> larry: do you think it is, al? >> i think, first and foremost, i think we're fortunate we have a president that doesn't play into this. i think that he has said and i

agree, there may be a distinct minority of these that are protesting that are doing it based on race, but this is an issue in terms of health care that affects blacks and whites. i agree and i know he's probably surprised that, larry, that the same happened under president clinton. i think the issues themselves are beyond race. and i think that we would do a disservice to the debate to make this black/white. having said that, i think president carter's right. there's some racism, clearly, that we still have to deal with this in country. but i don't think we ought to get into a sideshow of black and white when we have an opportunity, i think, better than any time in history of dealing with 50 million americans with no insurance, others underinsured, and i think this president has tried to, even when the bait was cast, not to go for the bait and try to keep us on the straight and narrow of dealing with substantiative issues. >> larry: se cup, would you

admit there certainly is with a black president, racism and obviously racism involved? >> no, i don't think so. and i think this speaks to sort of a generational gap. you know, my generation is not always so quick to jump to race. i think the maureen dowds and the jimmy carters tend to go there because that's what was always done. but my generation doesn't see racism in a joe wilson or racism at a tea party or a town hall. we're looking at the issues. and to reverend sharpton's credit, i think he's right. i think these issues are too important to racialize them and project this imagined racism on to health care or any other political issue. >> larry: how about -- nancy, how about joe wilson, though, the congressman who has supported keeping the dixie flag as the flag as south carolina? >> yeah, i wouldn't call that move incredibly inclusive. and i would say that signs held up at the rallies that say things like "cap congress and trade obama back to kenya" is

definitely racial. i mean, and i'm a closer generation to the young lady that just spoke and i think one of the most important things that happened with what president carter said is he spoke very specifically about a overwhelming portion of people. he never made a blanket statement that everybody that objected to obama's health care, president obama's health care plans was racist. that's not what he said. but by people jumping to that, they're totally missing the point that there is, definitely, an element of race in the protest. i've got to tell you one thing that caught me eye really fast, larry. i travel a lot and i talk to a lot of people. and everybody i've met, everybody, has a story about how health insurance is either overcharging them or someone in their family or some friend has been screwed by the health insurance industry. and i was looking at the people that were protesting health insurance reform and thinking, but reforms would even help them.

it seemed like there was this underlying anger that had nothing to do with health care or anything. and i agree, i think it's very courageous, in fact, what jimmy carter said. i totally agree, but he's speaking about a portion. >> larry: okay, let me -- okay. i'll have larry elder pick up from that in 60 seconds. in full to avoid interest...with full pay. and those you split... you decide how to pay over time. if having a plan matters. chase what matters. create your own blueprint at chase.com/blueprint. ininining ring ring. progresso. your chicken tuscany says it has fiber in it. yep. four tasty new soups with 28% of your daily fiber. but i like this chicken tuscany. i like it too. but it has fiber in it. that's right. fiber? yeah. but i like it. (announcer) progresso. you gotta taste this soup.

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>> larry: do you think, we have no way of knowing, that there are a lot of people who just can't accept the fact that there's a black president? >> i think there certainly are some people that will not accept there's a black president. if hillary clinton had gotten elected, there would be some people who wouldn't have accepted a female president. but look, larry, the american -- republicans broadly oppose the spending, obama-care, oppose cap and trade. they support, however, obama's intention to increase the troop levels in afghanistan. so republicans can differentiate between the policies that they support and policies that they don't. here in california, overwhelmingly, blacks voted for obama, like they did everywhere else, yet there was a measure to change the constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage. blacks voted to outlaw same-sex marriage, even though obama publicly opposed that measure. blacks differentiated their broad support for obama versus their opposition to his position on that particular issue.

>> how does it -- doesn't it grade you when you see some of these signs at these rallies? >> when president bush was in office, they were saying that bush lied, people died. that bothered me. it bothered me when hillary clinton called him alfred e. newman. it bothered me when harry lead called him a loser and lie a. it bothered me when charlie rangel said they don't say "s" word a slur for hispanics or "n" word, a slur for blacks anymore, except he used the actual words. they just say let's cut taxes. >> larry: but you are angry at racism? you don't appear angry. >> larry, do you want me to be angry? >> larry: yeah, i do. >> my father -- >> i tell you if somebody's anti- anti-semit anti-semitic, i'm angry. >> my father does not know who his father was. he grew up in the south, grew up in jim crowe south. this is now 2009. we have a black president, we've had back-to-back black secretaries of state. i'm grateful i live in america. and right now it's about hard work and accountability.

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winning singer john legend. and on the garrido property, they found bones there. and investigating annie le's death and now say she was strangled. the question tonight, are they any closer catching whoever did this? we'll have more on the person w who did it at the top of this hour. >> that's anderson kocooper "36" do you think this will go away or continue throughout his administration? >> i think it will continue until we have a mature distinction this country about race that president obama said we needed to have as candidate obama. larry may not be angry, but i'ming a grimpt i'm angry enough to want to see something done. it's a light anger. we cannot be engulfed in our anger and not try to solve the

problem. health care is an issue we need everybody on. the minute a minority of racists can make this a black issue, then the millions of whites uninsured think is not their issue, it's their issue, too. yes there, is an element of racism there. yes a lot of hecklers are saying racial things. this is minority. we cannot let them turn the conversation their way. we have to solve this, education. i remember when the president valerie jarrett senior advisor brought newt gingrich together, we're going on the road to talk about exhibitions. i'm angry enough to work with others to make sure we solve it. it's not generation a. this generation had katrina. this generation has a white male that just beat a black woman in south carolina. it has nothing to do with age, it has something to do with agenda and whether we're mature enough to solve the problem. >> miss cupp, here's what robert gibbs, the white house secretary that to say on this today. we'll have you comment. >> the president does not believe that -- that criticism

comes based on the color of his ski skin. >> the president doesn't believe it. i guess you think then the preside president, in this was totally wrong. >> i think the president realizes this line of politic is a loser for him. it's not politically expedient to bring race into it for him. i think he found out the hard way when he injected himself premature lin the gates incident and i don't think that did any favors and i don't think those playing the race card now does him any favors either. think he knows that. i think he will push back and back way from this and it will do him well in the health care debate. >> maybe we all got carried away. if i did, i apologize, i don't mean to get carried away. sometimes we do.

nancy giles, do you think this will go away? >> no. i think it's a good thing we're talking about this. i want to say two quick things. one, i totally agree with reverend sharpton, there are bigger and more important issues, by using these racial incidents to distract from big important issues, like universal health care, single payer health care, an options that are ripping people off. but i will say president carter spoke from a wealth of knowledge, a white male a former president who had a lot of slings and arrows thrown his way. i don't think what he says can be discounted. i agree with what he said about the portion of people that are especially hysterical about president obama. >> larry: when we come back, we'll play for larry elder what michael steele, the head of the rnc had to say about this. first this. sits on top of skin,er almost as if you're wearing it.

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michael steele, the head of the rnc, had those say when he talked to our own wolf blitzer today. >> the president's interpretation whooft racism is, is not a reflection of what this is about.

the reality of it is this is about policy, differences in how we approach solving some of these issues that we're confronting on health care and the economy. and the fact that there are citizens around the country, i don't care what color they are, that are outraged or confused or concerned or whatever, however they come to this debate, that has nothing to do with the color of the president's skin. >> larry: do you agree? >> of course i agree. larry, there was a poll taken 50 years ago, 1958, they asked white americans if they would vote for a black president. the majority of them said, hell, no. the same poll about a year or so ago asked all americans, how many of you would not vote for somebody because they were black? only 3% said i would not. that's lower than the number of people that believe elvis pressley is still alive. it is not a significant problem in america anymore. what i am angry about is the size and scope of government. i'm angry about the fact

government mandates where children go to school a government school that might be failing. i'm angry about the fact you cannot take your money out of your check and put in an account you can control. these are the things the republican party wants, democrats do not. i'm angry about the failure of the black family. in 1965, lyndon johnson launched a war on poverty. the number of black children born out of wed look was 25%, now 70%. we're encouraging people to behave irresponsibly. that has the kind of things i'm worried about, reverend sharpton. >> i'm worried about that as well. i'm also worried about continual racial despair tin this country. i do not see where the republicans did a lot about it. i do not think to distort president carter's word, he said it was a distinct minority is a responsible thing to do. he did not say all that opposed is racist. i think it's just as naive to say none of them are. having said that, we must move

this debate forward to say the republicans that have had the white house, eight years under bush, four years under another bush. before that, president reagan failed to get us the health insurance we need guaranteed for all americans, fought it under clinton, fighting it under obama and blacks, whites, latinos and asian have to get it this time. we're not going for the bait, not be divided we will fight for all americans, we will be angry about it but we will be together. >> larry: we will do a lot more on this in the days ahead and will do more on race as well. always good to see you here. larry sharpton, nancy giles and s. s.e.cupp whose book is why you're wrong about the right. >> sad news. mary of peter, paul and mary