they're putting, doctored, edited, sliced and diced versions of these tapes. >> reporter: that said, a.c.o.r.n. has already fired four workers for the earlier tapes and kaelke told us she's been placed on indefinite suspension. >> rick sanchez is up next. he hit me closed fisted repeated times. i have knots on my head. >> did he kick you too. >> yes, he did. >> on the record, a woman beaten in front of her daughter in the doorway of a cracker barrel. you're talking about it, the fbi is investigating. she joining me life. finally an arrest, police say he did it. he strangled annie le and stuffed her in a wall at yale university. we are on it. >> this is outrageous, it was indefensible.

>> pimps, prostitutes and a.c.o.r.n., the organization's ceo takes the tough questions, but also says -- >> this is a well orchestrated, well funded, concerted, relentless campaign to attack this organization. >> outrageous and indefensible actions by her own employees or a conspiracy by her own organization's enemies? you used to see a lot of chris brown like this, then he beat rihanna and we got to see him like this. now see the disgraced pop star in a whole new light. oh, and this. you're so tired, let me try to wake you up. >> my long time colleague joins us and takes your questions in our national conversation, tuesday, september 17, 2009.

hello, again, everybody, i'm rick sanchez, a little jet lag, but no worse for the wear, we're going to begin with this, the next generation of news, what we call a conversation, not a speech, and as always, it's your turn to get involved. let's start with this. i want you to look at this guy's face, that's the face of today's news at yale university, where 24-year-old annie le was killed last week. that guy you're looking at right there, he's been the center of controversy all week. that's raymond clark. he stood in court today, charged with annie le's murder. police in new haven picked him up this morning, took him, handcuffed him and put him in jail. we have rolled -- we have video of that, smachlt let's roll it. there it is right there, the police chief didn't say much today, but he did say two key words in a report on workplace violence. what do we take from that? we know that raymond clark

worked in the lab where annie le was doing the research. does that mean that was the extent of their relationship? let me bring in lou palumbo. i finally feel free today to refer to this guy as a suspect. for the last week or so, you and i have been dealing with this person of interest things trying to figure out what's going on. >> based on the information that they have disclosed today about a workplace violence type scenario, apparently these two knew each other and were familiar with each other. and i think it's safe to say there was some form of a strained relationship. there was a correspondent in the form of a text message, where he arranged this meeting the morning he is accused of killing her. the thing i also found interesting, rick, is that if he

did in fact arrange this meeting, we get into an issue of premeditation, versus, how would you say, a fit of passion or spontaneous rage. i think that's something that the law enforcement agency has to delve into deeply because it's going to have some relevance when it comes to trial. >> this is a woman who on sunday was due to be married. she was just a few days away from what was going to be the most important day of her life and something obviously that would have sealed another relationship. are you thinking what i'm thinking here. >> in reference to maybe he wasn't ready to let go of her. that's a possible scenario. >> it happens time and time again, with strange men all over this country who seem to think they have some kind of ownership over a woman just because they're in a relationship with them. >> the weird thing is that he may very well have been enamored with her and one of the ways he expressed it was by maybe getting involved in some type of controversial discussions. we don't really understand or

know to an exactness of what the exchange was or the dialogue between the two of them. but it's safe to say that obviously there was a problem there. i think as the police continue to investigate this and interview individuals who knew the two of them in this workplace environment, and this educational environment, it's going to continue to unfold. >> that's amazing, i mean this thing really has some drama attached to it. by the way, you and i were talking about this yesterday during a commercial and we didn't get a chance to share it on the air. but i'm still puzzled about this whole how he hid her in a wall thing. can you take us through that? i mean, it's looking like there wasn't another person involved, lou, which means he did everything by himself. how did he do it and what did he seem to do? >> very simply, it was after -- again, i don't want to convict him on television -- >> i understand. >> after the murder was completed, you know, she was only 4'11" and about 90 pounds, rick, so i don't think that she was particularly difficult to maneuver so to speak.

and i think the fact that he worked in this facility afforded him the luxury, if i may use that term in loose context, of knowing the building structure. and in doing so, much the same way that we are familiar with water closets when we work in commercial buildings or buildings of this type where pipes intersect or conduits for electrical purposes do, shut off valves, so on and so forth. he had the ability to know where that was. but i tell you, rick, i'm concerned about the fact that he may have arranged this meeting, i don't know what the impetus was for the arrangement. but i tell you, in time, the whole thing will come out, because this gentleman's got a lawyer up and he's got to do some talking and right now, based on our understanding of the amount of dna that they collected at the scene, and apparently the amount of his dna, he's got to figure out is he making a deal here or is he just going to take the slam

duc dunk? >> when you hear that he may have arranged a deal, and she was about to get married, you wonder whether there was an m.o. here, him feeling like he needed to take care of some old business, regardless. he's been a big part of this story for a long time. we're trying to figure out what the police's m.o. was regarding this suspect. so let's listen to what the police chief said today during this morning news conference. >> we have approximately 250 seized items now, a large number of those will eventually have to all go through the lab, we're prioritizing those issues and they're up at the lab now doing dna as we speak. i could get the results in 30 minutes or it could be hours, it's all up to the lab now. >> given what he was just talking about, which is what seems like an awful lot of evidence, they knew that this was their guy probably when they

first heard of him and laid eyes on him. why this dance? why did they let him go? why did they let him make bail? why did they never call him a suspect? why did they say they never arrested him? i am confused, lou. >> i think we're all a little confused, because quite frankly, he was never a person of interest, he was a suspect. the people that were persons of interest were the people that were also on that 700 hours of tapes that the law enforcement agencies reviewed. they had probable cause when they went to a judge and obtained a warrant to search his home and to search his person, so i don't understand what this sem manticcal game is, at times the law enforcement agencies isn't sure of their footing on how they're going to proceed with a particular case. if you have probable cause sufficient enough to issue a warrant, you should have taken him into custody. the other thing that's a little

disconcerting is that they elected to release him. i do understand that based on what the chief volunteered that he was under surveillance. but the reality of the situation, regardless of whether he was under surveillance or not, if he became creative enough, how do we know he couldn't have slipped through the surveillance teams. this guy was a flight risk. the judge would have held him at an extremely high bond if he has. or even if he releases them. they start to put these types of devices on you that monitor your whereabouts at all times. i'm not really sure about what was going on behind the scenes or what people think was appropriate when they start to get into these areas when they start addressing people of people of interest versus suspec suspects. i tell you this man was a suspect. >> that's why we have you on lou palumbo, you tell it like it is, even if you have to be critical

of your own peers. thank you. he obviously felt very comfortable to attack me in the cracker barrel. >> that's the woman who's now at the center of an fbi investigation, beaten up and police say it was a racist attack. i talked to her last night, she's coming in to visit with us here in the cnn studio. our headline earlier this week was pimps prostitutes and a.c.o.r.n.s. last night the organize's ceo also sat down with me to go through the accusations against a.c.o.r.n. that was a controversial interview and you can see it as they take the he. and also on the after show, with my old pal ovalteen, robin meade. i have copd which makes it hard to breathe.

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you know, it's interesting, we have already gotten a lot of comments on a story i was telling you about. let's go to the twitter board. let's start from the bottom. zack, thanks, buddy. it seems more like a man beating down a woman he felt was inferior, than a race thing. very similar, but still different. >> that's an interesting thing, it's a man beating up a woman, according to police. and then on top of that, he was apparently using to the n-word when he was beating her up. and this person says to me now, be nice to that soldier that got beat up today, rick, he says that because she's just arrived in our studios here, she's in the makeup area now, and she's going to be coming down to sit with us here. she deserves better she fights to protect us all. i told you that i would be talking with the ceo of a.c.o.r.n. to ask her why her federally funded organization or group offered a vice on scamming

the government to a man and a woman posing as a pimp and a prostitute. i was the first to interview murtha lewis since the controversy erupted and this is our break through. how do you explain what americans have seen on some of these videotapes? i mean somebody advising, you know, alleged pimps and prostitutes or people describing themselves as pimps and prostitutes to set up brothels? >> pretty horrendous, isn't it? this would curl anyone's hair. it was outrageous, it was indefensible, even though we know these tapes, no one has shown totally unedited tapes. because you don't see tapes where they were thrown out of a.c.o.r.n. offices. you don't see tapes where people are told, you know, we can't help you. but be that as it may, i will not tolerate unprofessional --

not meeting our standards. >> so the people have been fired, the people we see on these tapes have been fired? >> yes, but listen, rick, i have got over 700 employees and, you know, this is a handful of folks, i immediately took swift action. and i said, you know what? we're going to look at this, we're going to make a review from top to bottom so that this thing never happens again. we work too hard to have some trumped up thing like this happen. >> you've got some serious problems right now. and let me take you through them. the senate voted to block your housing grants, the census bureau is blocking your organization from being used in their studies and now you may be being investigated by the fbi as well. you know what this is? this is a credibility problem. how are you going to overcome it? >> i don't think this is just a credibility problem. i think this is a well orchestrated, well funded, concerted, relentless campaign to attack this organization. we have been attacked from 2004,

2006, in fact, karl rove's e-mails just revealed a couple of weeks ago show that politically, he directed alberto gonzales and u.s. attorneys to go after us and no matter what, prove something on them. >> the problem is this is not an isolated incident. because there's an incident that at least you would have to consider was a sloppy voter registration campaigns earlier last year. >> let me stop you right there. >> please. >> there was no sloppy voter registration campaign. >> how would you describe it then. >> in fact our quality control worked because you know why? every single card, every single employee of ours that filled out a fraudulent card, you know who turned them in? we did. >> who? >> we did. we turned every card, we flagged them, we tagged them. we were the ones that supplied all of this evidence.

that's why we know our quality control worked. that's why the filmmakers went to dozens of offices. they were turned away. you need to make sure that cnn is able to show unedited versions of these tapes, show the whole thing, so that we can get back to the work of helping low and moderate income people of color in this country. >> your point is well taken and we thank you bertha lewis for coming on tonight and taking the heat. >> thank you. >> by the way, we have plenty of folks commenting on this. let's go to our twitter board if you can. this is paul who was just watching that interview. he sent this five seconds ago. a.c.o.r.n. is more than a credibility problem, how about accountability and important. thank you for your comments. you saw it there, bertha lewis essentially taking the heat. she answered the questions. so why won't james o'keefe? he is the filmmaker, the

conservative filmmaker who posed as that pimp to expose the apparent corruption at a.c.o.r.n.? where is his unedited video. she raised that question, moments ago, ms. lewis and it's a good question. why is he not releasing the unedited versions? he talked to fox news, but why isn't he talking to me? again, the invitation stands. meanwhile a story we first reported to you is now continuing to get traction around the country on blogs, on social media and on the air. on the heels of jimmy carter's statement about racism, a man allegedly beat up a woman who was with her daughter at the time. here's what the woman told me exclusively last night on the campbell brown show. >> my daughter had to stand by and witness the entire thing and she was afraid, she had

mentioned to me and had cried about the fact that she was trying to protect mommy by pushing the door and the man pushed the door back and squished her. >> there are developments on this story so tasha keil is going to be joining us in a moment, she's going to be joining me on the set right here, and i thank you for her courage. we'll be right back. $1 a perso. one breakfast a week saves a family of four over $800 a year. save money. live better. walmart.

welcome back, you have been tweeting me about this story ever since we first told you about it yesterday. this is about a woman who was walking into a cracker barrel restaurant, just outside of atlanta, when this man who was walking out pushes the door and it nearly hits her 7-year-old girl. just an accident, i mean one of those things that happens, it can happen between anybody, but the woman pointed out to the man what he had done, we'll go getting the specifics on this in just a moment. but according to police and according to witnesses, he proceeded to beat and kick her, this woman, while calling her racial slurs. now the fbi is investigating this as a possible hate crime.

the police have called it a racist act and the woman at the center of it all, tasha hill is good enough to join us as well. along with kip, her attorney. tasha how are you doing? i'm told you're having a rough day today. >> i'm still in a lot of pain, my head is hurting me really bad and i'm having trouble sleeping and my hand and arm is still bothering me, it still hurts. >> you're a soldier? >> yes, i am. >> it's funny because i was reading the police report and you tried to point that out to him, didn't you. >> yes, usually when i hear -- it's almost like a -- when i mentioned it, i was in hopes that that would make him back off. i was intimidated by him standing close to me and pointing in my face and, you know, basically cursing at me that my daughter almost hit

herself in the face with the door. >> the bit about the door, those things happen, i mean it could be an accident, one person is walking out, one person is walking out. so when that occurred, what specifically did you say to him? >> i mean, like i said several times before, all i said to him was, hey, excuse me sir, watch out, you almost hit my daughter in the face with the door. >> the witness says, this is a witness named lenora brown, i'm reading from the police report now. she heard you say to him, be careful? >> yes. >> the woman goes on to say that then he said -- that then he started hitting you and called you a black -- n-word, b-word? >> yes. >> did he immediately start treating you that way and using

those racial slurs? >> as soon as i mentioned to him that he needed to watch out, he almost hit my daughter in the face with the door. it was very scary to me, it was like he got hostile, like i lit a fire or something. he got very an by for me speaking to him. >> i guess the question that we obviously would ask here, and counsel maybe you can help us here, because i think now we're looking at literally a federal case. is there any kind of provocation that you would cede to at this point? >> there was no provocation. >> let me ask you again, hold on. i think we forgot to put a microphone on you, but i'm going to come back to you in just a moment. are you surprised, tasha, that there is so much being said about this story? that's it's all on all the blogs and people are twittering about it? and the fbi is now investigating it as a potential hate crime.

>> i'm blessed to know that they are investigating it as a hate crime. it is surprising to me that something in 2009 like this can still occur. i don't care what color the person is, i don't care if they're black, white, purple or green, it's not acceptable. and it's just shocking to me to know that something like that can take place. >> and i just want to come back to this because this is important. but was there -- and pardon me for re-asking, can you think of anything that may have provoked him beyond the normal, sir, be careful, you almost hit my daughter. >> maybe my confidence and my demeanor as far as protecting my daughter. >> were you accusative? were you angry when you said that? >> no, i wasn't angry, i was protective of my child. >> i'm going to read to you something else from this police report because this is important. because apparently when police started interviewing mr. west, he told the police, pardon me for giving you the top of my

head there, folks. he told police that he was spat on by you. >> uh-huh. >> in this police document, it says that he was spit on. >> right, no doubt it does say that, however this is coming from a man who viciously beat and kicked a woman in front of her child with no provocation, ms. hill will tell you uncategorically that she did not spit on anyone in cracker barrel restaurant that day. >> you know, we just had somebody who tweeted us and i think this is an interesting point, saying, you know, rick, it's not so much that it's a racist thing, but what man would hit a woman like that? is that as much a part of this story as the race is for you? >> i really can't get caught up in the race, i don't care if it was a black man, i know for a fact that i did not spit on him first of all, and i just don't understand how that would condone a man hitting a woman in her head, in my face, with a closed fist, repeatedly until i

fell to the ground and then proceeded to kick me and call me, you know, the vulgar and vicious names that he called me. i'm just disgusted in that. i don't care if it was a black man, it doesn't make it right. so they need to take race out of it and see it for what it is. >> but the fbi is going to look at this as a race issue. in fact it's only a hate crime -- >> he said i remember him hitting me once in the face and i blocked it and he punched me again when i heard my daughter scream and i fell down and then i blanked out for a little while. >> i failed to ask you this but i should v is your daughter okay? >> she's actually a little -- she was doing a little bit better, but today she's having a rough day. >> but she wasn't struck. he never struck her as far as you know, right? >> no, but she said that she was

squished when he closed the door at one point. >> at one point after attacking ms. hill, it appears from the videotape that mr. west pushed the door shut to lock -- to trap him in the foyer so he would be in there with him and to keep the daughter out. >> what are the police telling you about this case? is she going to have to testify? are you moving forward? have you had any communication with federal officials and the fbi who apparently are going to be actively investigating this as of this morning, i understand? >> i have had no contact with the federal officials, i welcome any questions that they may have. >> what do you know about this man. >> i have heard rumors out of south georgia that he is a -- has a conviction for simple battery, i believe. i think he's been arrested for terrif terroristic threats.

he apparently does have a history of being a little aggressive and dangerous. >> do you believe he's a white supremacist? >> there are rumors that he is a member of the kkk. >> well, again, those are rumors. >> right. >> unconfirmed by cnn. and if anyone is watching right now, we're not reporting that he is a member of the kkk, we're not reporting that he was a white supremacist, certainly you can determine by his actions as this case continues. and that's one of the most important things as we continue to follow this case. i don't mean to jump on you but we have to say that if we say something like this about the person. do you believe that this is a trend? because it's happening at a curious time. just two days ago, the former president of the united states says that there are severe racial issues that we have to deal with in this country. and just on the heels of that, maybe by absolute happenstance, we have got this situation. what are you thoughts about that? >> i have no idea whether --

what we want to see is this guy being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. >> she would want him prosecuted whether he was white or black? >> that's correct. he was simply a defendant who did use some horrible terms, he's probably racist or sexist. >> but it's him, it's not a whole group of people. i think that's probably what's important, isn't it? it's the actions of one man not all white people who happen to live in any geography. >> it's interesting that this happened in cracker barrel, he's apparently comfortable with beating up women in cracker barrel. >> that probably could have happened anywhere. >> you haven't seen the videotape, you haven't seen how casually he sauntered off after assaulting ms. hill. >> i would like to mention that while i was getting attacked, there was several -- there was a white man they remember, i looked up and i saw him, he had a smile on his face. there were several people that

were just standing around. they were -- once they got that -- the first door open, there were people in there and even when -- >> nobody came to your aid? >> there were two witnesses that spoke up on my behalf. there was one woman that was an african-american woman, the other woman was a white woman. >> is that the nora brown? >> i don't know their names, sir. >> okay. >> all i know is that those two women, out of that entire environment, only two women spoke up. >> how many people were there? >> i can't remember. >> was there more than ten? >> there was a lot of men and women standing around and they were all white. >> and when he was beating you, nobody came to your defense? >> nobody. >> the videotape clearly shows two men within six feet of the door who did not respond to help ms. hill at all. one was holding a baby, i suppose you can excuse him. the other ones just stood there looking. >> we have drilled down on this as much as we possibly can. i want to thank both of you for coming in. obviously we're going to try to get the other side of the story. we have reached out to mr. hill,

to see if he would talk to us as well -- mr. west, i'm sorry, to see if he would talk to us as well. so far we haven't been able to make contact. we want to give him a chance to explain his part of the story as well. and we'll continue to do so. my thanks to both of you and i hope your daughter's doing well. >> thank you. those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted. even with people who disagree. >> we alluded to this just moments ago, but there's more on this story. former president jimmy carter is not backing down, even after president obama distanced himself from the former democratic president's comment on race. president carter comes back with even more. and you're going to hear it all. also, remember the after show today with robin meade right here at 4:00. stay with us. we'll be right back. man: it seems, only a minute ago, we were kids

with little responsibility, zero accountability. our parents telling us what to do... how to behave. now, all of a sudden, we're there, in that role, at that time in our lives where everyone and everything is depending on us. it's a scary feeling, but it's also a good one. especially when i'm confident someone's there for me.

all right, welcome back. we mention in this conversation moments ago cracker barrel. and we at cnn would not think it would be fair to disparage cracker barrel for something that happened while two people were just walking in and out of their store. in that vein, let me read to you

what cracker barrel's statement is. please know that cracker barrel believes that it is a reprehensible when something like this happens anywhere let alone in our store and cracker barrel has been in contact with ms. hill since the incident. as soon as the incident became apparent, cracker barrel employees immediately came to ms. hill's aid and called the police. cracker barrel will continue to cooperate with all levels of the government. just to let you know, cracker barrel has indeed a videotape of this incident. they have not released it yet. but we are learning from sources that we have talked to that soon after subpoenaing the tape, cracker barrel will most likely to have to release it and obviously, we are going to stay on top of that and share it with you as well. especially if it explains what actually happened there. when we come back, jimmy carter didn't only say it once, he's also said it again. and i'm going to let you hear

what jimmy carter said last light. but before we get into that, here's how we got to where we are right now. this story is put together by one of our best. here's cnn's candy crowley. >> reporter: race and politics is a combustible combo and it explodes into headlights when an ex-president lights the fuse, as jimmy carter did on nbc. an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward president barack obama is based on the fact that he is a black man. >> reporter: there is a tiny part of this argument that is not an argument. >> we cannot deny that race has an impact in our society. >> reporter: racism is there to see online and on the signs held by some protesters, but the former president sees racism across a much broader swathe. >> bubble up to the surface. because of a belief among many white people, not just in the south, but around the country

that african-americans are not qualified to lead this great country. >> reporter: the last time the chairman of the republican party looked, many white people had voted for an african-american to lead this country. michael steele says carter's broad condemnation of protesters is dead wrong and diminishes real racism. >> he's elevated it to the point that it is now, you know, a reaction to everything, everybody who has this negative approach or view on this subject is a racist. >> reporter: arguments about race are political losers, it turns off independents who by nature hate the hard edges of politics. the white house wants none of this. >> the president does not believe that -- that criticism comes based on the color of his skin. >> reporter: the white house may not want to talk about it, but this is one of those water cooler moments, kicked off by two words.

>> you lie. >> reporter: joe wilson's outburst, was according to jimmy carter based on race. ask around. >> i do think that racism plays a part. >> reporter: and what you hear. >> it's about politics and race. >> reporter: is not just about color. >> i i think it's impossible for anyone to say for sure. >> reporter: about politics. >> when someone is losing an argument, they go to the good old race card. >> reporter: and policisms. >> backe backe was elected with more white votes than any democrat since jimmy carter. there was talk then of a post racial america. and that's what it remains, talk. >> again, in case you haven't heard it. jimmy carter has not finished, wait until you hear what he said last night. that's next. but jack knows that medicare doesn't take care of everything. in fact, part b covers only...

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some of the people you see at the town hall meetings and some tea parties, even a certain member of congress who called the president a liar, that all of that is based on the fact that they cannot accept having a black man sitting in the white house. mr. carter was saying in public what others have said in private. he's saying some of this debate is all about racism, plain and simple and last night he was asked about it again, keep in mind, the current president's spokesperson is saying the white house does not agree with president carter. so after hearing that, would president carter back down? would he soften his position? here, let's listen for ourselves. >> when a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal, or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler, or when they

wave signs in the air that say we should have buried obama with kennedy. those kind of things are beyond the bounds of the way presidents have ever been accepted. even with people who disagree. and i think people that are guilty of that kind of personal attack against obama have been influenced to a major degree by a belief that he should not be president because he happens to be african-american. it's a racist attitude. and my hope is and my expectation is, that in the future, both democratic leaders and republican leaders will take the initiative in condemning that kind of unprecedented attack on the president of the united states. >> yet, here's what the spokesman says, gibbs says the president thinks his loudest pointing are against him over policy, not over the color of

his skin. this big-time pop star convicted of beating his former girlfriend, chris brown is completing part of his sentence in a much different environment than he's used to. also that yale student murdered just days before her wedding, we have got updates on that story as well. stay with us, i'm going to be right back. and apparently he does too. with unbeatable prices on nivea smooth sensation lotion, beauty costs less at walmart. save money. live better. walmart.

larry king's going to be exploring that tonight and so are we. yale university, police are not searching for any other suspects. that's a big part of this story. that means they're pretty sure they have got their man. that's the guy right there, the guy they picked up this morning. ray mondmond clark, he's chargeh last week's murder of annie le, he strangled her and stuffed her

body inside a wall. clark worked in the lab where le was doing research, his job was taking care of the laboratory mice and cleaning their cages. fotos is next and you're not going to believe some of the videos we have come up with, including one of the tallest men in the entire world.

as you drive by hillsides on roads all over america, but especially when you travel to latin america, and central america, you see crosses all along the road, monuments marking where some horrible accident happened. and if you're like me, you wonder, what's the story behind that cross? what's the story behind that monument? that is where we begin fotos.

oh, my god, here's the story. on what will mark a monument, a one. it began as a field trip for some school kids in peru. but that field trip ended at the bottom of a ravine. the bus fell more than 500 feet off of a cliff. volunteers rushed in and carried survivors to safety. unfortunately eight teenagers died on that field trip. and that's who the cross on the side of that highway will memorialize. okay. that's chris brown ton rigon th. that's rihanna on the left. talented, beautiful and some will say foolish as well for staying with him. today she's probably looking beautiful and doing something very pop starrish. as for chris brown, not so much. he spent the day picking up trash. picking up trash as part of his

court-mandated community service. make sure you get all of that, chris. while few people look up to chris brown these days, let me show you somebody everybody looks up to. what a cool segue. snap. this is the new tallest man in the world according to "the guinness book of records." he's a turkish farmer who measures at eight feet tall and one inch. that's big. by the way, there are reports there is a guy who's four inches taller, but he refused to be measured. so this guy won instead. the other guy's probably negotiating with mark cuban. just guessing. all right. i've known my next guest for many, many, many years. we go way back. show that picture of her. go ahead. show that. right there. see that? there she is right there. that's me. that's her. yeah. i know. it's kind of surrounded by old

friends. that's robin meade, folks. she's joining me in a moment. stay there. just because i spent less on it? nope! (announcer) the exact same brands sold in pet specialty stores. at walmart's unbeatable price. save money. live better. walmart.

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someone who's gracious enough to want to hang out with -- i'm a people guy. >> yes, you are. >> you're a people gal. >> i hope so, anyway. hi, rick. >> robin meade's going to be joining me as my guest in just a little bit. stay there. this is going to be good. you got something to say. and a book. and a book. we'll be right back. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com [ "catch the wind" plays ] what is the sign of a good decision? in the world of personal finance, it's massmutual. find strength and stability in a company that's owned by its policyholders. ask your advisor or visit massmutual.com.

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good afternoon, sunshine. so now it doesn't work. >> you stole it! >> it doesn't work for me. >> it's my line. >> oh, man. robin meade. as a matter of fact, you guys -- shoot the book. this is called -- look at that. it's called "morning sunshine!" >> look at all the notes rick has made. at least you did your home work. >> some people do that. i had you and blagojevich this week. i had to read both of those. >> opposite ends of the spectrum. >> a little bit. here's why i think people are going to be fascinated by your story. because you are someone who people see as, you know, let's t face it. a glamorous star on television. a lot of people may see you that way. you write in this book there's an every person quality or aspect to your life that occurred at one time. you had panic attacks. >> yeah. on the air, no less. the book is called morning

sunshine. that's my thing i say in the morning. "how to radiate confidence and feel it, too." it details my struggles with anxiety attacks that happened about ten years ago. on the air. there's the cover. which is a little hard to do your job when you can't breathe and your heart's palpitating. >> you were on the air. >> on the air. >> you're very honest and very transparent about this in this book. you literally say you couldn't get words out. you were in chicago at the time. >> yeah. there was a breaking news story. someone briefs by with the skrifts like you've got there. i hadn't seen it before. it was so long. i happened to have a bad thought. like, huh, wouldn't it just be awful if you couldn't make it through the sound bite. the sound you play on tape. i don't know why i had that thought. my mind ran with it. the show opens. i can't breathe. i'm not going to make it to the sound bite. i thought it. my brain followed through. this was the start of a realtime of discovery for me. it kept happening on the air. i thought to myself -- >> i got a problem. >> i got a problem. i'm going to have to leave my

job, is what i thought. i'm going to have to quit. i can't do it anymore. i've lost my talent. >> is it confidence? what's a panic attack? >> for me it was a lack of self-confidence that manifested itself physically on the air. i don't want people to think this book is all about panic and anxie anxiety. it's not. it's under the umbrella of self-esteem, self-doubt. who doesn't have doubts about themselves? maybe rick doesn't. most of us have doubts about themselves one time or another. >> talk to my wife and kids. you'll see. that's a panic attack in the making every day. but here's why it's interesting. because that's a very human thing. i guarantee you there are tons of people out there who are going to relate to the fact you had this experience. i'm sure you were humbled by it. >> was i ever. i was humiliated and mortified. in discovering what my little problem was, i came to understand that, you know, a lot of people, i think their confidence is built on what they look like or their standing in the community. for me, and i think for aot