to lear my thoughts on race and politics in america, and a lot more join mow the radio on monday through friday radio 710 wor in new york, and go to loudobbs.com to get the local listings in your area. join me on twitter as well. thanks for being with us. next, campbell brown. sdmrimplt tonight here are the questions we want answered. an arrest in the killing of yale grad student annie le. the mystery is far from solved. who was the suspect? why do police believe he was driven to murder? >> not about university crime. it's not about domestic crime. it's an issue of workplace violence. >> the latest development tonight in this bizarre ivy league tragedy. sfwlimpl plus, angry protesting as president obama leads to something much worse. the speaker of the house sounds the alarm.

>> you know, late 1970s from san francisco. this kind of rhetoric is very frightening, and it is -- >> reporter: meanwhile, the white house trying to turn the page from stories of racism. >> an unavoidable subject for the first african-american president. could it sidetrack his agenda? also tonight, our exclusive investigation. a mother who says breast feeding cost her her job. >> there are many wom have quit their jobs. >> why do so many nursing moms run into trouble when they return to work?

do we need a nationwide law to protect them? >> and tonight's break-out. yet another acorn tape has surfaced. another worker caught on camera giving advice to a pimp. >> this is your only source for news. cnn primetime begins now. here's campbell brown. hey, everybody. those are the beg questions tonight, but we start, as we always do with the match-up. it's our look at the stories making an impact right now, all the moments you may have missed today. we're watching it all so you don't have to. we begin tonight with a suspect in custody, but more questions than answers in the murder of yale grad instant annie le. >> raymond clark is charged with the murder of annie le. police say dna evidence links him to the crime scene, and he is being held on $3 million bail. >> clark was arrested this morning at a motel where he spenlt the night under heavy police watch. >> it was not a domestic crime,

which is often what we have. it was a workplace crime. >> reporter: their paths crossed at this yale laboratory. he, a technician in charge of cleaning myself cages. she, a ph.d. student. with his head bowed, ankles in shackles 24-year-old raymond clark iii was brought before a judge. >> there were also emails or text messages between clark and le. clark at one point had complained to le about the conditions of the myself cages in the lab, that they had been left dirty. it was his job to clean them. >> reporter: ray clark is in a high security prison. he will be back in court next month. if convicted, he could face up to life in prison. >> a whole lot more on this troubling case coming up toni t tonight. in addition, new details about the suspect as well. on the international front, a big about-face tonight. an american foreign policy. the white house scrapping bush administration plans for a controversial missile shield in poland and in the czech rep electric. the decision officially made to

counter what president obama calls new threats. namely iran. >> the obama team says a missile threat from iran has changed, and they're adapting to it. >> the bush plan was to deal with long-range missiles aimed at the united states. the obama plan is to deal with medium range missile that is might be able to hit western -- >> it's more comprehensive than the previous program. it demroiz -- >> the bush plan was fiercely opposed by russia, and today many republicans angrily accuse president obama of cap it lating one week before he meets with the russian president in new york to discuss arms control. the white house insists russia's views played no role in the decision, and the pentagon argues this new proposal will better protect u.s. allies. >> the word out of moscow tonight, we appreciate the responseible approach of the u.s. president. that was their reaction. over to afghanistan. president hamid karzai fending off accusations of election fraud and warning the west not

to de-legitimatize his victory in last month's vote. he appeared on cnn's situation room with wolf blitzer. take a look. >> how can you leave afghanistan in your own people suspect that you stole the election? >> it's not our own people that suspect that. it's, unfortunately, mainly the international community, and, unfortunately, also manly through the international media. in spite of that, my friend, the after xwan people turned out and voted, and i can assure you that the vote was true and fair. >> afghan authorities still investigating reports of widespread voter irregularities. the election results won't be certified until that investigation is complete. on new york's long island four young men are free tonight cleared of charges that they gang-raped an 18-year-old hofstra university student. police say the woman made it up.

>> the young woman admitted to each of the encounters with the men were consensual. >> reporter: 20-year-old kevin and his stepbrother 19-year-old in red say they had never been to jail before and never plan to go back. >> we were there thinking that we were going to do a lot bit, 25 years, and i'm not even that old, you know? it was just a scary place. >> the thing that they said with the rope, come on, like, disgusting. man, we were looked at as disgusting men, and that is not a good name to have. >> reporter: prosecutors say the woman recanted soon after they told her the incident was recorded by cell phone. >> when she was asked whether the videotape that we believed could be out there would corroborate her story, that was when she began to tell the truth. >> the woman at the center of this case now suspended from hofstra pending a university hearing. zirchl over to the white house

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this is full of twists and turns, and le was last seen alieve on september 8th caught on a surveillance camera as she entered the lab where she worked. her body, of course, was found inside a wall in the lab's basement on sunday, the day she was supposed to be getting married. suspicion soon focused on clark, a technician in that lab. watch. >> they had a person of interest now in the murder of yale university graduate student annie le, and here in the process now of collecting dna evidence from raymond clark, also searching his apartment to see if he is tied to the killing. 24-year-old raymond clark was in police custody for about five hours last night into early this morning. >> lab tech raymond clark has been taken away in handcuffs, but then released and police are saying he was never really arrested. >> about two hours ago 24-year-old raymond clark was arrested at a nearby hotel. he is a yale university lab technician now charged with killing graduate student annie

le. >> today new haven's police chief called this a case of workplace violence, so did yale do enough to protect annie le? joining us from new haven, connecticut sshgs cnn's tom boreman, who has been digging into the case, talking to folks up there. with me here in new york senior legal analyst jeffrey tubin, and tracy jordan joining us as well. there's a picture emerging here of raymond clark, and i know you have been talking to a lot of people who know him. what are they telling you? >> well, you know, campbell, they're really telling me that it's both a very simple picture and a very complex one. the simple part of it is this. this is a guy that most of the people he managed get ahold of say up front, this is a nice guy, a friendly guy, a guy they liked, a guy who was outgoing and who they had a good time with and who they can't imagine would do neglect like this. someone talked about how great his parents were and how involved they were with the school and how very much they thought this was a wonderful guy and they simply cannot believe

the news they're hearing. the complex part is this. people also remember an incident in high school reported by a local paper here, but we talk to people actually remembering it happen of police coming around asking questions because there was some sort of conflict between this guy and one of his girlfriends in high school and that also a neighbor was in the news a little bit saying that she felt that he was very controlling of his fiance. what you are getting is a yin and yang here. one side people saying great guy, but on the other hand people are saying, yeah, but there were signs. there's a complex picture about a guy that many people saw in very straight forward, simple terms. >> all right. well, casey, given what tom just told us, what he is hearing from people who actually knew this guy, how do you interpret that? >> well, the issue of control is really paramount here, and in criminalology we have power control pathologies for both homicide as well as sexual assault, and everything about this case really seems to smack of whoever did this to annie was

really -- not a physical struggle, but a struggle for control. she's a small girl. 4'11", 90 pounds. for one ever really thought that it was sexually motivated, but they did agree she was a target, and everyone i talked to who knew annie said she was the sort of person that would never cause a scene. she was sweet. at some point i wonder if annie pushed back. maybe he was inappropriate with her at work. maybe he had a sexual or romantic interest in her, but she was getting married in a few days, and maybe she lost patience and told him to leave her alone, and that's when this power control side of the suspect may have come forward. >> well, police were pretty clear about what they think was sort of the motivating factor here, and let's listen to what the police chief says. >> i think it's important to know this is not about urban crime. it's not about university crime. it's not about domestic crime. it's an issue of workplace violence, which has become a growing concern around the country. >> explain workplace violence, and then do you agree with that

assessment from the police chief there? >> not entirely. it happened in a workplace. they knew each other in a workplace environment, and clearly, people in a workplace are supposed to behave in certain ways. there are boundaries. there are appropriate means of interacting with our colleagues. now, she's a very bright girl and a ph.d. program, and he is a lab technician, apparently with a high school education. one wonder if there was a power struggle just in terms of respect, the way they spoke to each other, the way their opinions on how to deal with the lab myself. you don't know how an argument could have precipitated, but at some point -- and we may never p know the answer to this, but something happened that surely was not just a random out of the blue attack. it was certainly precipitated by interactions with colleagues that work in the same place. >> i know you can't rule out -- one second, tom. i think i was hearing tom there. i'm having some trouble with my feed, but you said you can't rule out stalking, obsession as a possible factor in all of this, right? >> absolutely. what you need to do in a situation like this is get

evidence, because there will be a lot of evidence here. what does his e-mail show? was there contact between them? were there phone conversations between them? what can they establish as a motive here, because this was a crime of rage. very special crime. >> they found, we should just mention, 300 pieces of evidence taken in for analysis. they have a lot to work with here. >> you have to deal with the question of motive because this was not a random crime. the other thing is you have to have physical evidence tying him to the crime itself. dna, blood, hair and fiber. you know, was anything -- did he believe anything on the body underneath her fingernails? was his dna, his blood there. that's common thing in a close struggle like that. that's going to be the determining result. >> tom, go ahead. >> campbell, i wanted to jump in here on the point of the relationship between the people in his job and -- i talked to several members of the custodial staff here, and the police chief

said his job was more like a custodian's job, and early on in this, i talked to members of the kus oel odal staff, and every one of them said about annie le that they really noted the fact that she talked to them, visited with them, had a nice time with them, and they said sometimes members of the research staff, sometimes the students don't pay so much attention to them because they are, you know, working people down here at the blue collar level, and they see themselves as something else. annie le was not that way. they all thought fondly of her because she seemed to see every one of these. >> we're going to end it there, but many thanks to case ji jeff and tom there in new haven for us. just a strange, sad story. larry king will have a whole lot more coming up on his show 9:00 eastern time tonight. strong words tone e today from the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, warning the angry anti-obama rhetoric is getting frightening and could lead to

violence. also, just minutes ago police release mu information and pictures about what he found in the house that became her prison.

a lot more must-see news happening tonight. here's tonight's download. >> another big blow to acorn. the house of representatives voting to cut off funding after the group's latest explosive scandal. this follows a similar vote in the senate. now, today another undercover video surfaced reportedly showing acorn workers in san diego offering help to a fake pimp and prostitute. however, the acorn worker says he was just playing along to get information from the police and reported the incident to the cousin who is a local cop.

sdmrimplgts well, president obama awards medal of honor to a soldier killed in afghanistan three years ago. army sergeant first claz jerry monty's parns were there to aleer the president say how their son gave his life trying to save a soldier. >> he handed off his radio. he tightened his chin strap, and with his men providing cover, jared rose started to run, and all those incoming bullets, and into all those rockets. for a third time -- he said his patrol leader did the greatest thing i had err seen a soldier do. >> he did turn 34 this sunday. a not guilty verdict today for a former high school football coach. he was on trial for the death of one of his players. david simpson ran a tough practice on a hot day hast august. that's when max gilpin died of heat stroke three days later. defense witnesses said gilpin

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the health care fight to a black, white issue. that's not it at all. >> reporter: arguments about race are political losers. the white house wants none of this. >> we don't feed on division and anger. we feed on hope and possibility. >> we me now from washington our senior political analyst and roland martin there as well, and republican consultant alex, also joining us tonight. alegs, speaker nancy pelosi talked today about how heated the rhetoric has gotten in this country. let's listen to what she said. skwlo. >> i have concerns about some of the language that's been used because i saw -- i saw this in the late 1907s in san francisco this kind of rhetoric was very frightening, and it gave -- it

created a climate in which the violence took place, and some of the statements that are made. in our country people can say what they believe. >> speaker pelosi getting emotional there. al alex, she's talking about the homophobic anger that led to the murder of harvey milk. is it a valid comparison? >> so disagreeing with the president on policy is creating a murderous environment? pull up, nancy. the plane is about to slam into the mountain here. she's doing great political damage to her party, her president, and her cause. the president actually knows how to handle these issues. david axlerod, those guys in the white house are very smart. they succeeded by taking america

to a place beyond a lot of these racial divisions. america wanted to be that america, a better place, and that's something we should credit president obama for. by saying i can't disagree with the president on policy without disagreeing with him on race, that's what you are really doing, they're costing themselves a lot of support. it's not good politics. >> roland, do you agree with that, because it's actually, what, was it rnc chairman who today said that it's actually in his view democrats who are injecting race into this and trying to pump up the debate. just as alex points out there. >> campbell, today someone sent me an e-mail replying to our discussion on this on "ac 360." i hope i could wake up today and that someone had put a bullet in your ugly head. oh, well, there's always tomorrow. that's what nancy pelosi is talking about. there are people out there who are using that kind of language on blogs, on-line, and e-mail and rallies. that is wrong.

now, it is wrong to sit here and to assign that to a wide variety of people. there are certainly people who are disagreeing with the president who it comes to his policies, but at the same time we are to call out those people and to point them out who are speaking the kind of hateful rhetoric that is necessary. it has for place. >> it is no different with president bush. i mean, you essential heard much of the same level of rhetoric. >> but i don't recall anybody saying let's send president bush back to kenya. i don't recall anybody having photos of bush as a witch doctor. >> well -- >> you cannot -- >> roland, i can remind you that -- >> all right. let me let gloria make a point. go ahead. >> here's the point where it gets very dangerous politically, and i have spoken with folks at the white house. they believe that if he gets

dragged into this right now, that everything he does, including health care, anything anything, will be seen through the prism of race. that's something, as you know, campbell, they tried to avoid during the campaign, and they clearly want to avoid now. what people are concerned about is that we seem to have lost any boundaries. you have somebody shouting you lie to the president of the united states from the floor of the house of representatives before millions of people. that's just not trading a political charge. that's rude, and that's destructive. >> it has already become a dis rankz, has it not, gloria? >> yeah, it is. it is a distraction, and that's why when the president appears on every sunday show, including state of the union on cmn this sunday, you can be sure when he is asked the question about race, he is going to say aye got a lot of important work to do. we need to get beyond this. this is not -- this is not the discussion i want to be having right now.

he is going to say, you know -- you can't do that. >> how is this conversation playing with voters right now? do you think they're seeing it as rid ek husband, manufactured? >> i think this is washington out of touch with america once again. look, correct me if i'm wrong, but barack obama was a black american when he was elected president. he still is. that hasn't changed. what has changed is he has taken the country way to the left. big government, tons of spending that's going to come back to us for years in debt. that's what america is upset about. people on one fringe or the other says something, and that doesn't believe everybody believes it. >> we have to leave it there. appreciate your time tonight. we have some breaking news to share with you about the jaycee dugard case rsh we are getting our first look inside the home of phillip and nancy garrido. that's the couple charged with kidnapping and holding jaycee prisoner for nearly 20 kweerz.

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our break-out story is tonight's breaking news in the kidnapping of jaycee dugard. for the first time since this incredible story broke, we're getting a look inside the house of her alleged kidnap hers. cmn's dan silon is on the scene. he is joining us with images of what appear to be the true horrors of this house. dan, describe what you're saying. >> campbell, first of all, if you thought that backyard was a mess, remember we saw those tents and sheds, and it was just

an absolute mess back there. apparently the interior of the house was no better. we're looking at these pictures, and it appears that you see filth everywhere. discarded dishes, amrins, poor electrical wiring. just really filthy conditions. these pictures were taken on august 27th shortly after phillip and nancy garrido were arrest arrested. investigators photographed inside the house and then condemned the property, and now we're seeing these pictures really for the first time as you just mentioned. >> did i hear you say -- or i'm reading here, dan that, they're using a cadaver dog to help search the property, right? >> well, today authorities were back out at the house searching for evidence that might tie the garridos to a pair of kidnappings that happened some 20 years ago. there were some cadaver dogs on the property today. they actually sniffed out what they believe, at least what their handlers believe are human remains on the garrido property. they're going to investigate

further and dig up that area and see what they can find. we should note that both have been found on this property. at least authorities announce thad last week. they believe that they're probably human, but it's not uncommon to have a native-american remains here in this area. campbell. >> all right, dan simon with the very latest for us tonight. dan, thanks. tonight i want to share a story with you that hits very close to home for many working mothers, myself included. you're going to hear from a woman who says she was fired because she took a few minutes during her shift to pump her breast milk. >> there are many women who have quit their jobs -- they've quit their jobs. they don't -- they feel leak we don't have any words. i had some.

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what i'm about to say probably falls into the category of too much information, but so what. twice every work day i close the door to my office, and i spend about 15 minutes pumping breast milk for my 5-month-old. i read the endless articles about the benefits of breast

milk, and i was convinced, so this is what i do every day. breast feeding is a personal choice, and i totally understand women who choose to give their babies formula instead, but given the very tough economic climate we're in, the cost of formula is out of reach for a lot of working mothers. pumping breast milk at work becomes a real necessity. why am i talking about this, you may wonder. it is because of what i have taken for granted that i work for a company that makes it very easy for me to pump milk every day for my kid, and that is not at all the situation for so many other women. take a look. >> reporter: after 20 days at a job at a wear house, this woman was fired. >> i don't think it's fair that, you know, we have to lose our jobs or to feed our kids. >> lanisa's son was months old when she went for an interview. >> i did go into the hiring supervisor and asked her, you

know, if there was somewhere i could pump because i was breast feeding my son. she called me and let me know that it would be at 11:00 in the bathroom. >> reporter: for the first few days lanisa went to the public bathroom and pumped her breast milk during her 30 minute lunch break at 11:00 a.m. it was an arrangement doctors call unhealthy at best. >> public bathrooms are easily the most bacterially contaminated. flat out, the dirtiest places in the building. no one would want to eat anything produced in a public rest room, and a baby who has lower immune defenses than the average adult. asking the baby to eat food that came from that source is really ridiculous. >> reporter: there was another problem. the warehouse break schedule forced her to wait five hours to pump. a new mom is supposed to pump on the same feeding schedule as her baby. about every three hours, forcing her to wait until 11:00 a.m., an extra two hours meant that lanisa's breast would get engeorged, causing her intense pane and reducing the amount of milk she produced for her son. she decided to take matters into

her own hands. >> i watched people for three and four weeks, you know, take bathroom breaks and smoke breaks, but no one ever said anything to them about that, so i don't see what the problem was with me taking the same 15 minute break that they did. >> reporter: lanisa started going to the bathroom an hour earlier. she asked her team leader to cover for her, and she took about 15 minutes to pump. after two weeks on this schedule a supervisor walked into the bathroom and confronted her. >> i said just give me 15 minutes. you know, i will work through my lunch. i said, but i need to come to the bathroom earlier to pump my milk because it's hurting my back so bad. >> reporter: that same day lanisa was fired. totes esotoner has refused comments to cnn. they say this is a case about a temporary wear house employee taking additional paid breaks without informing her supervisors. as always, we will continue to

provide nursing mothers with the appropriate time, flexibility, and facilities to meet they are individual needs." >> there are many women out there that have quit their jo jobs -- they've quit they are jobs. they don't -- they feel like we don't have any words as far as being able to pump our milk. >> reporter: lanisa sued totes iceotoner taeg her case awe all the way to the ohio supreme court. she lost. the court ruled this case was only about unauthorized breaks. her son is now a busy 4-year-old, and with the recent attention from her court battle, lanisa is a hero for working mom with fan mail and all. >> please accept my sympathy. i pumped in derty rest rooms for ten years and got sick three times and was hospitalized. >> reporter: there are now 24

states with laws addressing the issue of breast feeding moms in the workplace. ohio is not one of them. so do we need a nationwide law to protect nursing mothers? joining me reason is one woman who thinks we do. new york congresswoman cara lynn maloney who has introduced a bill to help new moms in the workplace and also back here with me is cmn senior legal analyst jeff tubin. congresswoman maloney, you are trying to help women like lanisa. if your bill becomes a law, what would change? >> well, women leak lanisa, or any woman who chose to become a mother and chose to breast-feed or pump in the work please would be provided with an appropriate time to breast -- to pump they are milk and not be fired. >> what would you say, though, to business owners who are likely to say this is a burden on us to try to make these sort of accommodations for working mothers? >> well, really we have to accommodate to the 21st century.

now half of working mothers with children under a year or less are working, and they're a part of the work force. they need the mcto support their families, and we should have policies that recognize that a woman should not lose her job because of her choice to become a mother and her choice to breast-feed or pump milk to support and nurture that child. >> jeff, as we saw in this piece, i mean, the courts ruled against her, but you took a close look at the decision. what did you think about the ruling? it was very narrow, right? >> it was a narrow decision, and the thing that was really galling, i thought, about the ruling is even if they ruled against lanisa, they had a chance to say this is a form of discrimination. it may not have taken place in this case, but firing a woman because shooes nursing is a form of discrimination. they didn't say that. congress hasn't said it yet, and one thing that the ohio supreme court and congress have in

common is that they're mostly men. men are made uncomfortable by this issue. >> i mean, do you think that's part of the problem, congresswoman? >> well, i would say that study after study, the national institute for health, the american academy of pediatrics, the center for disease control have all said that breast feeding is good for the child, good for the mother, makes a healthier child. we all say that we support family values, and why do i keep hearing from women who are fired for pumping in a lavtory. i wouldn't want to have my lunch in a lavtory, and i don't think we should -- it's very sad that that is where women have to go to pump their milk. i have talked to women that have been fired for pumping off of premises, and what my bill would do is say that you cannot discriminate against women in this way. it would be predictable for businesses and women that they would be allowed to pump during an appropriate break. it also provides tax incentive to businesses to deductions for

creating a lacktation room. >> how do you change the thinking? the courts and congress aside, why does a company like totes oisotoner fight something like this and go all the way to the ohio supreme court. >> she had only worked there for 20 days. there were other reasons why she was fired. they say that they treat women, including breast feeding women, well in general, but i think, you know, the problem here is that this is not considered a right under american law. at least in many, many states. the eastern xwri is that smoking breaks are so institutionalized everywhere, and everybody gets them, and that makes you sick, and breast feeding makes everybody healthier, but that's harder to get. >> that was, of course, congresswoman carolyn maloney and our own jeff tubin. there's much more on the issue of nursing moms in the workplace on our website. cmn.com/campbell.

well, this is fashion week here in new york, but does style still matter in a recession? we're going to chat with one of the country's top designers, isaac mizrahi. he has a lot to dish on, including one of the best known women who wears his designs. first lady michelle obama. >> she doesn't really value things because of what they cost. she's the least snob person that you can think of. you know, she doesn't just wear expense i clothes.

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$10,000 had in wages every year, but these days many are wondering had f luxury may have gone out of style. this week it's so important. it is fashion week. more than 60 designers show collections right here in new york. isaac mizrahi, who is the creative director of liz claiborne had his show this afternoon, and i spoke with him about the fashion industry's big challenge right now. >> give us a sense for sort of the feeling, the pulse of fashion given what's happening in the economy. >> well, i have to say, like as a fashion designer, i am never living in the moment. i'm always kind of living in the next moment. you kind of have to do that, predict what's going to happen. >> right. >> you know, i am now, like, in the next moment, which is i think way better than it is now. zoof so the fashion industry will survive this. >> oh, yes. honestly a good sdiper has his ear to the ground and feels this coming. that was one of the reasons i took the job at liz claiborne

because i thought if any company can sur vif this thing thaes coming, it's liz claiborne. as a good designer you feel things coming, and you react and you kind of adapt quickly, or you die off. do you know what i mean? it's like the good ones that precede, you know -- that understand what's coming and act. those are the good designers, and they will stand their ground. >> militia boem wore one of your designs, and this is on a trip to new york. this is just a few months ago, right? you say she has created the new democracy of fashion. what do you mean by that? >> well, i mean, you know, she doesn't really value things because of what they cost. she's the least snob person that you can think of. you know, she doesn't just wear expensive clothes. that's what i like, that she wears everything at equal levels. everything is as important as everything else. she doesn't -- just because

something is expensive or inexpensive, it doesn't make it better or worse. it's how she works in it, how she feels it. >> as a designer, that's what you are going for. that's who you want to design for is somebody who can carry off, i guess, all of it. >> yes. also someone who can mix it together which michelle obama does very well. she mixes enexpensive things with expensive things, and it all looks fantastic. >> you can see isaac mizrahi's spring 2010 show at watch isaac.com. larry king live will have a whole lot more on the yale murder case. also coming up money in mane street. where the jobs -- where they are in this economy, and believe it or not they are out there. we'll tell you. she wants to make up.

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zimplt federal reserve chairman ben bernanke says the recession is very likely over, in his words, but the rest of the country not so sure. a new cmn opinion research poll out today says 86% of americans say we are in a recession right now. only 13% say we're not. reality is a lot of people who lost their jobs still can't find work, but there is opportunity out there if you know where to

look. chief business correspondent ali velshi shows us what the jobs are in tonight's "money and mane street." rirchlgt this economy sure feels a lot better than it did a year ago. we've seen improvements in the stock market since march. it's been on a bit of a tear. we've even seen some stability in the housing market, but what has most people concerned? the job market. moody's economy.com has crunched the numbers, and we put it on a map for you. this is a map of job growth in america from the middle of this year to the middle of next year. divide it up by state. let me show you this ledge. anything in orange, dark orange or red say those states are likely to lose jobs overall, and those in gold, yellow, or bright yellow are likely to gain jobs. take a look at this. the only state overall slated to gain jobs between the middle of 2009 and the middle of 2010, texas, maryland, and the district of columbia. that's the overall job situation, but what we often talk about is that there's really robust growth in certain specific areas of the economy. i have two copies of the same map. i want to show you when we go

away from all sectors and move to job growth in health care and education, take a look at how this map changes. all of a sudden you've got only a couple of states in the red. only a few in the orange which means they're losing jobs, and almost every other state is gaining jobs. some more than others. there's a whole improvement there if you look at health care and education. now i want to show you something else. the other area of growth is government. i'm going to take the same map of the united states and show you what job growth in government looks like. even better than the health care and education map. only four states are slated to lose jobs between the middle of 2009 and the middle of 2010, and almost every other state is gaining employment in deposit. remember, government jobs are all sorts of things. the government needs engineers. it needs zookeepers. it needs retail workers. it's worth thinking about if you are either out of a job or you are thinking about your next job that these are areas that we're going to see a lot of growth. at least according to moody's economy.com. campbell. >> ali velshi for us tonight.