tonight, breaksing news, five students missing from the united states. would they be under arrest in pakistan for terrorism? we have the latest. and then, war and peace for president obama. he's on his way to oslo to receive the nobel peace prize. why is the man who just ordered 30,000 more troops to afghanistan accepts it? plus, sarah palin's approval ratings on the rise, the president's are going the other way. and tiger woods, we will debate

it all next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. five missing muslim men from virginia been found and arrested. the men in their 20s. some muslims in the community alerted authorities that the men may have been planning terrorist attacks. joins us in washington, jeanne meserve, and the director of the con sell of islamic elations who have spoken to the families of the american students and he has viewed a videotape. and he said it disturbed him. and the fortunater muslim chaplain at howard university. knows one of the students. and what do we know? >> reporter: there are five young men from northern

virginia, between 19 and 25, all of them u.s. citizen. one of them a student at howard university. the parents became concerned about the young men's whereabouts. they said they were going to a conference and when the parents tried to call them on the cell phones, they got a ring that sounded like they were overseas. they got concerned and they went to the religious elders and they made their way to the fbi. and the names of none of the young men had shown up on the radar before. the names of the individuals were passed on to pakistani authorities as persons of interest and then the arrests in pakistan. the pakistani authorities they they were the young men from virginia. they say they tried to hook up with people in pakistan and were not successful.

the u.s. officials are not going that far. the operating believe is that they were the young men but they cannot confirm it and at this point, no charges have been filed against anyone. >> do the parents know that the boys were going overseas? >> what i understand, they were concerned and there was a video left behind by one of the young men. it's its described, it was a disturbing video and there were hints in there that the young men were going some where. there were images of conflict and an exhortation that young muslims had to do something. and they suspected that pakistan was the final desation. that is why the state department reached out and informed pakistani authority they might be there. >> you have viewed the video, is that correct? >> yes,dy. >> larry: how did you obtain it?

>> the families brought it with them in the presence of lawyers. >> larry: what disturbed you about it? >> it's almost like a video on the internet. young muslims misread and misunderstanding verses of the koran to justify actions they would like to take. that is disturbing in light of the fact these students have been described as up right, engaging, great, you know, sons. >> larry: did it lead you to think they may be up to no good? >> yeah. when you add it together, yeah. i just walked away with that feeling and i think the same feeling the families had when they watched the video. and that prompted them to contact the leaders of the

mosque who connected them with us and brought them to the office and i want to take a moment to thank the families for your courage and the lead eership of the mosque who trusted us and we connected them with the nib. and both the agencies and the families are working together with the organizations to close this chapter. >> larry: bfsh we continue that is a patriotic act on everybody's form. chaplain, you knew one of the missing men. tell us about. >> i am the former chaplain. >> larry: i said that. >> i have attended events on campus where he was in that group. the fbi showed me photographs of individuals who were part of the group they suspect. i didn't recognize any of them

from the photographs. the young men, if they are who i think they are, they have been active in campus life, active in interfaith work, going community service. there was no indication on our part that these individuals would have ever done something against america or violent in any way. >> larry: chaplain, with what was the student's full name? >> i know of one of the students they asked me about. and larry, i'm really trying not to expose the names of these young people until law enforcement release them. >> larry: i got you. fair enough. jeanne, is this a case where it looks like a duck and act like a duck? they were going over there to do no zbhood. >> reporter: we don't know.

we are well aware of the plethora of cases in months with americans becoming radicalized and some of them going overseas. you have zazi who went to pakistan and got training in camps there and it's alleged by officials. they claim he came back to the intent of staging an attack here. and you have the somali men who want to somali and the great fear is that perhaps the young men had some intention to do one of the other. wage jihad overseas of do something here. i will tell you one law enforcement source says there are no charges here. it's very much an investigation and the hints thus far lead them to believe their intention was

to do something overseas. >> larry: thank you, thank you very much. two experts on terrorism tell us what they think on all this next. now your chase card let's you make your own payment plan for what you charge. introducing blueprint. blueprint's free and exclusively for chase customers. for a big purchase, there's split. it lets you decide how much...

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it's always been a concern. we have been well aware of the

threats that we continue to face along with friends and allies around the world. we know that much of the training and the direction for terrorists comes from pakistan and the border area with afghanistan. >> larry: we're back with cnn's national security analyst. "new york times"'s best sells author of "the osama bin laden i know" and a terrorist expert who clob rated with the "osama bin laden i know" look and was part of the special on the footsteps on osama bin laden. what do you make of the story? >> you have five american

citizens going to pakistan, flying under the radar screen. the fbi had little idea of them before they turned up in pakistan. this is part of a new trend we are seeing. more radicalization in the united states over the last couple years. we have seen about 11 cases of terrorism in the last six months. and also seeing more americans going out and training with militant groups in pakistan over the last year. we is a seen about a dozen americans going there in the last year, which represents a surge in the number of americans getting the training that can make that dangerous terrorists potentially, larry. >> larry: petr the fact they were arrested in pakistan. what does that tell you? we don't have peter? sorry. what does that tell you? the fact they were arrested? >> it tells us there was a lot of collaboration. this is a success story in terms of the muslim community gives

information to the nib and the fbi was able to collaborate to bring these people in to custody to stop them from launching attacks in after zban stan. it seems from the video, what we have heard, they were against what the united states was going there. they may have wanted to go to afghanistan, but it's not clear what the people were up to yet. >> larry: peter, should it cause more concern on the part of americans? >> yeah, you take together off the cases that paul just described. clearly we are in a slightly decision than a couple years o ago. when you have people in pakistan or going to somalia, training overseas, hooking up with al qaeda and we have seen successful terrorist attacks in the united states. there was attack in little rock,

arkansas, who killed an american soldier and injured another. and then hasan, he was giving away his possessions and dressed in white the morning of the massacre and it looks like a jihadi terrorist attack. >> peter l the united states send intelligence officials to the pakistan to find out more about this? >> sure and in pakistan there is a sub substantial fbi and there are officials that will look at the case seriously. we have heard from pakistani reports that the group of americans wanted to hook up with a group called judge mohamed in pan stack. it was the group that killed

daniel pearl and if that allegation is true, these guy wrs getting in pretty deep. >> larry: paul, how do you gather the people are recruited in. >> that's a great question. lots of cases, it could be individuals in the community, radicalizers with ideology to come in and we are seeing that the sbrernl is more and more important and the young men are exposed to the ideology over the internet and this is a young man that is relosing videos that young americans have been releases and vn influenced by. but the context here, larry, there has been -- the united states has been engaged in iraq and muslim countries. a lot of the muslim communities

oppose those wars and that plays in into what we are seeing here. >> larry: do you think, peter, it leads to more anti-muslim feeling? >> i think in the case of hasan, most americans realize this guy was a guy who went postal, e essentiallily. this is not about a guy that went postal. >> larry: thank you both very much. we will call you again probably tomorrow. thanks. president obama is on his way to oslo. we have a great group to discuss the news of the day in 60 seblgds.

>> larry: president obama, there you see him on on his way to oslo, norway. going to accept the nobel peace prize. they left a short while ago. they will be in oslo for about 26 hours before returning to the united states. the debate over whether or not he deserves the award is reignited. he will accept a $1.4 million prize check and a gold medal. coverage of the trip ceremony begins tomorrow an "american morning." our panel here to discuss that and other things, penn jillette, the more talkative half of penn and teller. and dben stein, and here in l.a, tanya acker, con truber to the

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piece prize. here is a little of mr. gibbs' response. >> the president will address the notion that last beak he authorized a 30,000 person increase in our commitment to afghanistan and this week accepts a prize for peace. i will say, helen, that the president understands and will recognize he doesn't belong in the same discussion as mandela and mother teresa. >> larry: penn jillette, what do you think of the award? >> if you look at what they wanted for the peace prize, it's fairly short. a lot of people don't fit in the category and obama will be doing the right thing and will be

humbled and smart. and irony is a great subject for the speech. i think the timing is really, really odd. i don't think obama has a choice. he's not going to turn it down. >> larry: good pnt. ben? >> i was puzzled when he was awarded the nobel peace prize. but i think moving troops to afghanistan is the best pro peace gesture so far. and they could use it for new attacks on the rest of the world inning the united states, it would be a dangerous anti-peace thing to do. i think prying to bring stability to afghanistan and not letting it by a haven frn terrorists is a good act and i think is his finest hour. >> larry: you never know what ben is going to say. tanya? >> here is one thing we know the

president did do. we changed american foreign policy from being a cowboys and indians video game to being now instead focused on diplomacy and moving to longer interesting. he did do that. whether or not this is ironic, yeah there is irony to it. and the fact that he stands for peace and the fact that you have to sometimes stand for conflict doesn't mean that he is anti-peace. i guess it's not that paradox cal. >> stephanie, wasn't it a little early? >> there is a chance to kanye west will int ruptd him and try to take it away. i'm an american tonight and i'm proud that my president is getting the nobel peace prize. i don't know if the afghanistan strategy is going to work, but i hope so.

but i'm an meramerican and he i cleaning up the mess that president bush left him. >> larry: the way to go, penn, when you think about it. you send people to war, try to get a health bill passed, a crisis at home and here he is, hobnobbing with the world's elite, in a tuxedo? >> i don't know. what i'm upset about is the fact there wasn't seem to be a strong peace movement in this country. i think if bush had done the exact same things that obama is doing and increasing 30,000 troops in afghanistan, you would have people going crazy. and i wish there was a stronger peace movement, at least more

people saying maybe we shouldn't do that and maybe we are creating terrorist base the people who are going to buy over there. >> larry: it does sound like vietnam. give me more troops. >> it isn't like vietnam at all. they just wanted to enter control and dominance of the southeast asia. these people, the al qaeda and the friends in the taliban, want to cause misery in the lives of the people in the united states. so to suppress them is a worth while goal. the problem i have with president obama's speech is saying to businessmen, you can't travel all the time. you should do things via e-mail. >> you got to get the nobel

prize. >> i think he should say it's legitimate to get the nobel prize. >> he's not going to a rave at paris hilton's house. >> it will not get anyone a job and the businessman's convention might get someone a prize. >> is he expected to accept the prize by fwiter? come on. >> and should he put the people who make the beds at the hotels who cancel business meetings. >> larry: we will be back. go to "larry king live"'s kren website. back after this.

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>> larry: let's move now from the oslo topic to afghanistan. we go to tanya this time. should we be there? >> yeah, i think we have to be there. this is not a war we started. the president's surge and sending more troops there, this is not a surprise. he companied on afghanistan. he said, and people believed this is where american attention should have been focused since 9/11. we should be there.

>> larry: didn't he also campaign against dying in military action? >> but tanya makes a good point. this is always what he said. and i guess i am of the camp of giving the president the benefit of the doubt. this is less than a year. this is another giant mess the bush administration left him. and if you read "the new york times" articleses it seems like a strategy. i don't know if it's going to work. but it seems that he understands the cost of the war, both humanen and costwise. it's not going to be about troops but drawing down and to bah what extent. i say give the strategy a chance. i think he refuted the vietnam analogy. they did group and attack us there. that is different from vietnam. give him a chance. >> larry: penn, president bush would haven't picked an exit

date. would you have been climbing -- would a lot of americans be climbing all over him? >> absolutely. i think there's no difference. and i certainly -- i don't think anybody understands the cost of war. i think it's beyond human comprehension. it's horrible. and there is a possibility, that killing people overseas also helps the revut kroouting a little bit. i know they wish us ill but i don't know that going in to 11,000 civilian -- i mean, 11,000 casualties and 7,000 civilian, seems like it's not going to generate a lot of goodwill. and it seems like there should be at least more people saying peace is an option. >> larry: dwight eisenhower, we quoted him.

war is stupid, every gun built, every bomb built takes away the clothes for children and health for seniors. >> this is a very rich country. the amount of money on the troops is tiny with respect to the hemt of the country. i would go farther than st stephanie. give him a lot of rope if it's vital to keep the taliban from running a sovereign country. let's fight it like we fought world war ii. like it's got to be won. >> larry: the op-ed in the post. sarah palin. agree or disagree? >> the president should boycott copenhagen entirely?

>> larry: that's what sarah palin said. with the publication of damaging e-mails with a research center in britain, the radical environmental movement appears to face a tipping point. the revelation oi climate change experts allows the american public to finally understand the concerns so many of us have articulates about this issue. >> um, yeah, it's hard to take things seriously who thinking dinosaurs who think that dinosaur gas caused global warming or whatever it is she thinks. you know, larry, the president is going to copenhagen because that's what leader does. and the consensus for science for some time has been stolen e-mails that think this or that not consistent. the science is humans are

causing climb change. >> larry: penn? >> i think the e-mails are very troublesome. but i think it's part of the president's job to go to this. i hi boycotting it is insane. it doesn't matter who says it. sarah palin gets attacked enough. you wouldn't want to boycott that. but you don't want to dismiss that when scientists do something disinjen wous, we just don't know. it's certainly not good. >> larry: we will get ben's and tanyas thoughts when we come back. i drove my first car from my parent's home

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global warming and it's clearly true by some set of data that 1500 years ago it was warmer than it is now. that wasn't caused by man and industrial activity. there should be a 100% consensus. and if you look at the look at the charts of global warming, it's not that much. but i agree, if there is a small chance to switch to hydrogen cars, we should do it. >> larry: it's not harmful to have a hydrogen car. >> the whole climate-gate, it's a red herring so big you can stop a jewish deli for a year. they did not stop the notion that earth is warming. and there are scientists, some

have been paid by oil companies -- >> the earth is not warming. it's cooler now than years ago. >> one of the points, some of the scientists were not able to account for lack of warnings since the '60s. that being said, that didn't under mine the long-head motion that by some, there was tree ring analysis that didn't show warming. few look at temperatures and other thermometer readings, we are seeing warming. >> larry: stephanie -- the late philip wylie told me when you talk to people about generations not yet born, they don't care. they don't care about great grandchildren they don't have. and most americans think global warm slg a fact. what do you make of this?

>> i'm a childless loser, as you know. so i don't really care. but, you know, i think the fact that ben stein believes in the scientists from exxonmobil to say there is no global warming -- not exxonmobil at all. >> it's like fried chicken. >> you must made that up. >> fried chicken is americans' favorite food. scientists that work for oil companies said what you are saying. >> plenty of sign fitses who work of the universities say there is no global warming. you must made that up. i never read a study from exxonmobil about it. >> my point is what tanya said. >> they are not fighting issue.

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. >> larry: i want to apologize. we got cut off for a glitch in one of the cities. and i will go back to penn jillette and health care the senate democratic compromise and looks like it's going jetson. what do you make of it. >> medicare early is a very big deal and is moving to the little ral agenda than the public option. i think it's a little bit, for her, spending our way of a recession, fighting our way out of a war and regulating our way to more health care choice are contradictory ideas. it makes me feel smart but uncomfortable. >> shouldn't we have some sort wt about care in amerian?% and better than the public option. i think medicare for all is where we are going and we are going to strengthen it over time like medicare or civil rights. i'm really happen. don't tell the right wingers like ben stein. we hate what happened. >> i don't consider -- ben

stein, you never know where he is going. >> before stephanie was born, i wrote the speech that sent the first health care legislation up for mr. nixon in 1973. >> larry: nixon proposed a lot of liberal things. >> and our idea was a simple one. it's a rage in the country as healthy as this that poor people can't get health insurance. >> larry: why did that fail? >> nixon got overwhelmed -- >> larry: did they fight snit. >> keep the government's big feet out of it and give the people money to by an insurance policy. >> is it pregenting anything from happening? >> i don't know.

i think it's that it's that it's very, very complicated and we're making it more complicated instead of less. i usa like to think, is there a way to solve the problems with more freedom. and the fact that we we got is not works does not mean that is the only way out. i may agree with stephanie on that. >> larry: let's turn to the former governor of alaska. sarah palin continues to provide fodder for the late night comics. here san example. >> a man was arrested at the mall of america yesterday for throwing tomatoes at sara palin. as she calls them, italian aps. he threw two tomatoes, neither came close to hittinger and instead they hit a cop. they released his mug shot today. he looks familiar. i cannot figure out where he is from.

>> all right, palin's mem ra, "going a blockbuster hit acres tracking huge crowds, popularity going up, not at 50% where obamasome but he is sliding a little. what do you make of her? >> she is an amazingly charismatic character to some but i must say i can't take her seriously. i think her position on issues are extremely correct, to me at least, but not to many others but doesn't sound lick a serious person and i don't take her seriously. >> tanya, how big a threat is she? >> not a threat. >> larry: said that about ronald reagan. >> sarah page, granted. the other side of the aisle. sarah palin is no ronald reagan and why think i'm alone in thinking that. sure, she has got some increasing poll numbers now but she has recently been charged with traveling around the country promoting a self-serving revisionist account of an election, whereas president obama, by contrast, has been presiding over a war or two and the economy. i mean, i don't think that her poll numbers mean much in terms

of her long-term political credibility. >> larry: penn jillette what is your read on sarah? >> i didn't read it i didn't read her book and why know anything about t and i find it very difficult, even on tv with larry king talking to me, to care. >> larry: you don't care? >> well, i just don't care about her. >> larry: okay. all right. you don't care. stephanie, what do you think? >> oh, i know the mall thing t is attack of the killer liberal tomatoes, is another poor sarah story, larry. you know, i have to say my dad ran for vice president with barry goldwater in '64 and took quite a drubbing, larry. let me just say there is no whining in politics to me that is all she does is whine. this whole book is just complaining and whining and, you know there is no crying in politics. >> there is a lot of whining in politics. a lot of it. i don't like t i don't want it. i won't listen to it but it exists. >> what do you think mrs. clinton was doing, she charged everything against her husband

was a vast right-wing conspiracy. that is all politician does is blame other people for their problems. >> oh, please, ben this whole book is just about getting even it is about settling scores. >> did you read the book? >> a lot of every word. i read every word. >> wow. you're -- oh, amazing. >> i don't think i believe her. >> i care when larry king asks me about it. i care. >> i know, you should care. >> i don't think she is telling us the truth. >> larry: get a break, but first, check in with anderson cooper for a preview of ""ac 360."" anderson what is up? >> new details on that story still developing, five americans arrested in pakistan, all young men, all allegedly with ties to a terror group. we will have the latest on the case and the troubling trend we have been tracking, americans allegedly involved in terror plots at home and abroad. we will dig deep we are terrorism expert peter bergen and a man who tries to deradicalize young american jihad dis. the raw politics of the health care and the democratic senator who may make or break

the current bill. is senator ben nelson ready to block the bill because he didn't get his way on abortion? we will talk to him tonight. and sarah palin weighing in on climate change. larry, you were talking about her. we will talk about the controversy over polar bears. palin says they shouldn't be on the endangered list. we will take you to the arctic ice where scientists are getting close to polar bers to track their habitat. that and more stories on "360," larry. >> larry: there's a great polar bear joke --

>> larry: earlier today the house homeland security committee voted to subpoena the white house gate crashers tarik and michaela salahi, i'm tired of this story. the couple has been the target of plenty of late night punch lines. here's letterman. >> how about the kids, the

couple that sneaked into the white house for the big state dinner? remember those guys? the salahis, the guy and his wife, good-looking couple. now, they are going to be subpoenaed by the house homeland security committee. and i thought, well, finally, they are being invited somewhere. hey, look, honey. look what we got in the mail! but i mean honestly, look at it this way, you can't blame the salahis for going where we are not invited, suspect that our foreign policy, when you think about it? >> larry: ben, what do you make of this salahi story? >> i have gone lots and lots of social events at the white house, they are usually incredibly strict. >> larry: very. >> somebody screwed up very badly here and there should be an investigation of the secret service. they really screwed up badly. >> larry: does it give you concern, penn? >> well, why -- why is there executive privilege on not having the secretary, the social secretary -- >> larry: i don't know why. >> it seems crazy. a very good point.

>> larry: use it. >> shouldn't he wait to use it until he has done something wrong? >> i don't think anyone has used it for a social secretary. no president wants to create a president where you bring his staff, see karl rove and the rove subpoena gets subpoenaed before congress. certainly there are some questions what was the social secretary's office doing and why did they perhaps drop the ball here, but the bigger question really is, one, what did these these people say to these federal agents? did they break the law? did they give it -- make false statements to federal officers which would give rise to i think appropriate prosecution and how did the secret service let them in? >> stephanie what do you think of this? >> i'm mostly just bitter about it, larry in my mind, i'm solely responsible for getting the president elected and i can't get into the white house, nor can i get a reality show. but on a serious note, the first -- the first black president, i'm concerned about this. and i think it's pretty serious,

you know? >> every president. >> larry: i want to get in one more quick thing. >> it's a dangerous job. >> larry: we may have a comment on this, away from the topic, but earlier this month, an oklahoma woman shot and killed an intruder who crashed through her back paddio door. she was on the phone to a 911 operator when she did it. here's part of that call. >> you need to hurry, he is going to break this thing open. when he does, i'll have to kill him, ma'am and i don't want to kill him. >> can you understand what he is saying at all? >> boy, he is crazy. >> ma'am? >> hurry. dear god, hurry. i haven't shot yet. hurry. >> can you -- oh, my god. >> i shot him going out front i hit him. god help me. oh, please, dear god, i think i have a killed him. please, father in heaven. please, father in heaven. oh, my god. >> what do you make of that, ben? >> it is an extremely touching

and overwhelming, just overwhelming. i say it is overwhelming. >> larry: tanya, different age we live in? >> absolutely. my god, just the fact that she had such conscience over somebody breaking into her house. >> larry: penn, talk about reality show. >> is heartbreaking, i don't know if it shows anything about our times changing, it is -- i think horrible things like this have always happened and it is very hard to listen to. >> yeah. >> larry: but we can now, stephanie, play a 911 tape. >> well, you know, it reminds me of those pictures of the president at dover air force base. i think it is always a good moment when we can really think about the cost of a human life, whatever the situation is. >> larry: ben, you're a speechwriter, we got about 20 seconds, do you expect a great speech in oslo? >> i think a very good speech. his last speech about afghanistan was his best speech and i expect this one to be better. >> larry: thank you vet. sting hari