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>> an exclusive interview with one of the passengers on board that northwest airlines flight, jasper schuringa. hello again, i'm fredricka whitfield. you're in the cnn newsroom. it was an apparent attempt to stage a air attack. northwest flight 253 was on a christmas day flight from amsterdam. the crew was preparing to land in detroit when passengers heard the pop, as you heard, and saw the smoke. they scrambled to subdue a 23-year-old nigerian man. the plane landed safely. he is being treated now for burns and being questioned by the fbi. cnn is following this story from every conceivable angle. we've got correspondents all across the map from nick reportson in europe and stateside here in the u.s. we
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have jeanne meserve and kate bolduan. let's start with martin savidge at the airport outside detroit where umar farouk abdulmutallab is being quite talkative. >> that's exactly right. he has been talkative. the question is how much can be believed at this point? that's what the long drawn-out investigation is trying to find out. there were two things very obvious now 24 hours after this attempted act of terrorism took place. one is, fortunately, it did not succeed, it did not work as well as the terrorists hoped it would. the second is that it's going to impact a lot of people as a result of what happened here in detroit. i mean travel plans. across the country there are new security measures being introduced.
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all which could delay your transit as you go through the airport or delay your flights. be warned. if you are traveling or flying this holiday weekend, you might want to give yourself even extra time than what you were already planning. now to the investigation. umar farouk abdulmutallab is a nigerian national. he was on that northwest airlines flight 253 yesterday. it was going from amsterdam here to detroit. the plane was on final approach. then all of a sudden it appears that mr. abdulmutallab set off some explosive device. we are hearing from sources it was a combination of powder and liquid he mixed together and as a result the chemical reaction triggered an explosion and fire. that triggered chaos on the plane. fortunately though, it did not explode as big as it was expected on his part. and he was quickly subdued by passengers. one of which was jasper
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schuringa. he talked exclusively to cnn. here is some of what he said. >> i was on the right side of the plane. suspect was on a left side there. were quite some seats in between. when i saw that suspect, he was getting on fire, and i freaked, of course. without any agitation i jumped over all the seats and jumped to the suspect. because i was thinking he's trying to blow up the plane. so i was trying to search his body for any explosives. then i took some kind of object that was already melting and smoking out of him. i tried to put out the fire. then when i did that, i was also restraining the suspect. then the fire started beneath his seat. with my hands and everything, you can see it's a little burned
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up, i put out the fire. then other passengers helped me, as well. of course i was streaming for water, water, because a fire on the plane is not that good, of course. >> reporter: abdulmutallab is in the hospital with third degree burns on his legs. the white house is saying there is no doubt this was an attempt at terrorism in the air the real question is was this man acting alone, did he have any assistance? is he connected to al qaeda or merely a person who sympathizes in al qaeda? and is it possible there could be others out there planning similar sorts of attacks? right now, investigators say they believe this man acted alone, that there are no others. however, the fact that security is being beefed up across the nation is their way of making sure that is so. >> marty savage, thanks so much from detroit. as you heard, jasper schuringa has an amazing story to tell.
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we'll have that interview about ten minutes from now. >> what more do we know about this suspect umar farouk abdulmutallab? for now as marty says, he was acting alone. his last known residence london where counterterrorism police have been conducting searches today. nick robertsson is there. what more are they hearing and discover about this suspect? >> fredericka, they are not tolling us what they are discovering at the moment. police have cordoned off this street. i'm talking from just beyond the plastic strip that stops traffic from coming down the street. there are now policemen on the corners as the investigation in the luxury apartments behind me carries on into the night. police have been here throughout the day. earlier in the day they were going in in forensic overalls,
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the type of clothing they want to wear to avoid contaminating a crime scene. this afternoon and evening we've seen them coming and going in more regular police clothing. they are, according to the metropolitan police here in london, these are counterterrorism police going through this apartment building, and to give you some idea of the type of residence this is, an apartment here costs between $2 million and $4 million p. these are luxury apartments here where this young man was believed to have been living. we understand from the university college in london he studied at university here mechanical engineering. he graduated in the summer of 2008, 1 1/2 years ago. it's not clear when he was last in this residence here, but it does appear that he would have been here regularly over the years when he was studying. the university is just around the corner from here. for the police, a priority on this investigation and searches right now to find out if there
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are links to any other groups, that if there is any other material giving police information that may link to other active terror plots, this will be the priority for what they are looking for as they sift for deeper information, if you will. >> nic robertson, thank you so much. while investigators are piecing together information in london, the last known residence of abdulmutallab, there are a lot of pieces being put onto place here stateside. homeland security correspondent jeanne meserve is joining us from washington. questions how he got this u.s. visa which explained how he is able to get this far from his international travels. what more do you know about that? >> reporter: some answers from our state department producer who has been inquiring how this person attained a visa. he got this visa in june 2008. it was a multiple-year, multi-entry tourist visa to enter the u.s. he got it in london where he was a student.
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according to this official, at the time there was no derogatory information in the system that would have prevented u.s. officials from issuing a visa to this individual. the police then say the father did contact the u.s. embassy to express concerns that his son had become radicalized and could be planning something. that information was passed along to the national counterterrorism center known as the nctc, the group that actually maintains the various data bases and watch list. a file was opened on him and he was put on a general watch list, but the information was not deemed specific enough to pull his visa or to put him on a no-fly list. another indication reenforcing what we heard from other sources, that u.s. officials were aware of this individual, but the triaging of terror
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suspects put him low on the totem pole. that is why he was allowed to board that flight and coming into the united states. >> interesting. so as it goes then, if you're on a general watch list but not on the no-fly list, something has been said that raises a flag, when he were to check in say in london or perhaps go through security in amsterdam to change flights, would his name come up if he were on a general watch list in the u.s.? would his name come up as a red flag enough for any of the authorities to say we don't want you to go further? >> there is the no-fly list. he wasn't on that. there is a larger list called the selectee list. those people when they fly are pulled aside for secondary screening. for instance, explosive swabs are taken on their luggage and so forth. we do not know if he was on the
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selectee list or whether he was on some lower category of concern, some other data base. there are multiple data base maintained by the u.s. government. >> thanks so much, jeanne meserve. there are a lot of consequences that have come from this alarming incident yesterday on christmas day. if you are traveling in any of the airports across the u.s., you're going to find longer lines and more obvious security, two things those with tickets should expect today and maybe even tomorrow and the next few days. this is happening on one of the busiest travel days of the year. what took place in what continues to be a heavily-traveled time of year. kate bolduan is at dulles international airport outside washington, d.c. now this particular incident taking place in detroit has kind of raised the stakes for everybody as it pertains to travel, right? >> as we are speaking with passengers arriving here to dulles international, we are
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getting a sense that there has been a ripple effect, as you can expect, and we heard from homeland security officials. the second of homeland security janet napolitano issued a new statement saying the american people should continue with their holiday travel as planned, but should be aware as always of their surroundings. in this statement they note passengers flying from international occasions into the u.s. should expect to see stepped-up security measures. we've been talking about some of those. people may be seeing at airports across the country and also across the world. you can see additional gate screenings, added security personnel. you can see more of those bomb-sniffing dogs at airports, as well as behavior detection specialists, people trained to root out specific behavior in airports. many of the passengers, by and large all the passengers arriving into dulles say what
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they noticed as a change today, and many are domestic travelers, what they say has been they've seen delays and much more indepth scrutiny at the security checkpoint. one person i spoke to described it as many different things he saw in security. the bags going through the x-rays multiple times, which he had not seen before. another telling me that tsa and other officials are checking each liquid to see exactly what it is, to verify exactly what it is. they said they were surprised to see that. i asked if they thought of that as an inconvenience. they said inconvenience maybe, but i guess we should allow for inconvenience if it means safer travel. that's what we're hearing from has jers here. there are some international flights scheduled to arrive in the next hour or so. it will be very interesting if we can get a chance to speak with some of those passengers to see what their travel day is like. i'm getting a sense from some of the passengers we are talking to
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that it is a different environment, a different atmosphere. >> everything being stepped up quite a bit. kate bolduan, thank you so much, outside d.c. a hero of flight 253. a passenger who says he helped bring down the terror suspect. a cnn exclusive. apparently my wife didn't have any use for a circular saw. well, you better hurry if you want great deals on the chevys everybody wants. she does love that malibu though... the chevy red tag event ends soon. use $1,000 holiday cash to get $45 hundred total cash back on select 09 traverse vehicles in stock. or choose 0% apr for 72 months. hurry! holiday cash ends january 4th.
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considered an act of terrorism yesterday. it happened on the northwest airlines flight 253 yesterday. the obamas learned about it right away. at least the president did. they are vacationing in hawaii. ed henry is in honolulu. >> reporter: we have new information that the president got another secured briefing in a conference call this morning about 6:20 a.m. hawaii time. the president had a secure call with two of his top aides, john brennan as well as dennis mcdonough. in this call we are told by white house spokesman bill burton that the president, quote, received an update on the heightened air safety measures to keep people safe and was briefed on the investigation, saying the president will
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continue to be kept abreast of the situation what we are being told of what the president is being told in these believings is, number one, the white house does believe this was an attempted terror attack. secondly, the suspect in detroit is being debriefed by the fbi and talking a lot. we'll see, obviously trying to verify a lot of what he is saying to whether or not it is true or not. finally, we are told the president is being briefed in general that u.s. officials currently believe that this suspect was acting alone. was not, did not have any formal ties to an organized terrorist group like al qaeda. may have had aspirations or may have been inspired by al qaeda or another terror group. there is no information suggesting there was a formal tie with a terror group. >> ed henry in honolulu, appreciate that. now this cnn exclusive. a passenger says he jumped over others to tackle the suspected terrorist on that northwest airlines flight yesterday.
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jasper schuringa has an amazing story to tell. did you help take the image or did you also help subdue the suspect? which is it? >> basically, i reacted on the bang. suddenly there was smoke in the cabin. people were screaming, fire, fire. first thing we all did is check to where the fire was. then i saw the suspect on the seat. >> how many rows back were you? were you behind the suspect when this smoke -- >> i was on the right side of the plane. the suspect was on the left. there were quite some seats in between. when i saw that suspect, he was getting on fire. i freaked, of course. without any agitation, i just jumped over all the seats. i just jumped to the suspect because i was thinking, like, he's trying to blow up the plane.
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so i was trying to search his body for any explosives. then i took some kind of object that was already melting and smoking out of him, and i tried to put out the fire. when i did that, i was also restraining the suspect. then the fire started beneath his seat. with my hands and everything, you can see it's a little burned up, i put out the fire. other passengers helped me, as well. of course i was screaming for water, water, because we had fire in a plane is not that good, of course. but then the fire was getting a little worse because what i did extinguish the fire. i grabbed the suspect out of the seat because if he was wear any more explosives, it would be very dangerous because he was on fire. when i grabbed him from the
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seats, the chemical came and came with fire extinguishers. they got it clear of all the flames. just to be sure, i grabbed him with another attendant and we took him to first class and stripped him and detained him with handcuffs and made sure he had no more weapons or bombs on him. >> jasper, you talk about something underneath the seat was on fire. was something on fire on him or was it, did it appear to be the seat that he may have set on fire and then as a result he also burned, as well? >> like he put something on fire that was hidden in his pants and apparently was dripping. i think the liquid or anything like that dripped on the floor and two pillows got ignited. it went very quick. like we are all just reacting to the fire and everybody was panicki
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panicking. >> tell me about him. was he fighting you? was he struggling? did he seem upon discovery to just let it go? >> he was just very calm. he was shaking. he didn't resist anything. he was just sitting there. he looked like a normal guy, as well. it was just hard to believe that he was actually going to try to blow up this plane. >> was there anything about him prior to that incident that made you look at him? did you suspect anything? did anything catch your attention about him? >> nothing, nothing. it was a big surprise when we heard the first explosion. people were looking around, this is not good, what's going on? the first person shouted fire. i got to my sense and this is where i go. >> some passengers described it like hearing a pop. what did you hear prior to the smoke and fire? >> first it was a pop. like about 30 seconds later, the smoke started to fill up on the
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left side beneath this person. from that on, we just jumped and tried to save the plane. we did, luckily. >> it sounds like you had an incredible response there, very quick. you think about international flights. often times when you get close to that dissent sox where within that last hour on a transatlantic flight, many people have been sleeping, you're a little groggy. when you heard the pop, when you heard people talking about the smoke, how quick was it to actually react? was there a moment where you said, really must be nothing? >> i basically reacted directly. when you hear a pop on the plane, you're awake, trust me. i just jumped. i didn't think. i just went over there and tried to save the plane. >> how many people were trying to hold him down along with you? how many people were reacting? >> there were people standing around because the person next to the suspect, he freaked out
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because he stood up because there was a fire. a lot of people were trying to help later on. we had very brave flight attendants that also helps. thank you to those people. they are heroes. together we maintained the suspect and got a safe landing. >> were there any words? was there any yelling and screaming? >> no. like the whole plane was screaming. the suspect, like he didn't say a word, nothing like that. >> never said a word, not fire, not during, not once you all subdued him holding him waiting for authorities? >> we were holding, but he wasn't saying a word, nothing. >> do you feel like his reaction was just sort of feeling defenseless or relief? how would you read what you saw in him? >> well, like he was in a trans.
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he was very afraid. i don't know. i don't really want to talk about that. >> was he traveling with anybody, could you tell? >> could you tell whether he was traveling with anyone or was he alone? >> no as far as i can tell, he was traveling alone. yeah. well, tell very much. >> you held up your hand. you got burned trying to put that fire out. >> i burn my hand obviously because what is trying to put out the fire and the object i was holding. it was on fire a little bit. i had to damp it. and with my other hand i had to damp the fire. it was growing. a fire in a plane is not good. >> jasper, you are now in miami. the flight landed in detroit. is this your final destination? are you visiting friends? do you live in the states now?
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>> no. i'm visiting friends. i used to live here a long time ago. i'm on vacation and will try to do that, as well. >> holland is home for you? >> yes. >> were you traveling from amsterdam from holland because that is home for you? >> yes. i live in amsterdam and i travelled to miami for a vacation. that's the last thing. >> what a trip to remember. jasper schuringa, thanks so much. one of the passengers to helped subdue the suspect umar farouk abdulmutallab who is now being interviewed by authorities for what is called an attempted terrorist attack. how do you prevent a tragedy from happening again? a hard look at security issues being raised in light of that being raised in light of that attempted terror attack.
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questions around airline security. to help us understand some of the concerns being raised, former fbi assistant director joins us from san francisco. and here at cnn headquarters, drew griffin. good to see both of you. as investigators are trying to figure out what is this material that was used when the suspect was able to create a popping sound and create a flame onboard this flight? tom, what is your gut reaction telling you as to how investigators are trying to figure out what this material was? what kind of testing might be taking place right now? >> it sounds like a chemically-induced fire, which was when you mix two chemicals, it starts a fire, it accelerates quickly. i should add for people who aren't explosives experts that bombs and bullets basically are ignited that way. it's an incendiary accellerant
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that starts a fire. if you have the chemicals contained, it causes the explosion. in the case of a gun, the explosion is contained in the chamber of the weapon. the only opening is out the barrel which causes the projectile to go out the barrel and fire the weapon. if you don't have those chemicals contain, they merely burn. that may have been what happened in this case. that it wasn't properly contained by this individual, so when it was ignited with two chemicals mixing, it created a quick flash fire setting him on fire and the surrounding parts of the airport. >> so reportedly we are hearing a sink may have been involved. we know when we travel you're not allowed with more than three ounces of a liquid or gel or any of those toiletry objects. from what we are hearing from the one passenger, we heard from other passengers, do you feel a syringe could be brought onboard by any passenger and this mixing
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of chemicals could take place with less than three ounces? >> that would be possible. using the bullet comparison, if you were to look at a bullet or have a diagram of one, the firing pin punctures a tiny dot on the back of the bullet which releases the chemical, creates the fire which ignites the black powder and causes the bullet to fire. it takes a small amount of the chemical to begin that reaction and start the fire, which contained would lead to an explosion. it wouldn't take much in the way of liquid. as far as how to connect that liquid to the other chemicals to start the fire. that would be the issue, whether it was a syringe or other device. >> drew griffin with us, as well. we heard from homeland security correspondent jeanne meserve that homeland security is not willing to raise the threat level. they are still trying to figure out what this thing was, but
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there are more screeners being put at airports, et cetera. they are being more vigilant in that capacity. it seems as though it's difficult for tsa to get any new 2 instructions. it's difficult for homeland security to do anything further without knowing what these devices, what these chemicals, what these components were. >> the threat level is high right now. we did go through a fair amount of screening at airports, and this fellow according to the folks in amsterdam went through that screening. whether he was screening in nigeria or not, he wouldn't go through the typical screening. it's going to be hard to know exactly what you're screening for when you're dealing with the mixing of two different substances. could it have been three ounces here and powder here? i would be interested to ask tom, is there a way to screen for that? have they been concerned about that as we heard terrorists looking for new ways to
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introduce things on plane? >> normally, those chemicals give off a gas signature, which can be analyzed. unfortunately, every passenger does not go through that particular screening because those machines are not readily available at every screening center. a random number of passengers, as they are going through security, clearing the magnotometer. that sample is placed in a machine that analyzes the chemical composition to see if it matches the signature of chemicals used in explosive or incendiary devices. to be able to do that to every single passenger at every single entry point all over the world, there is not enough of those machines in place to do it. >> that's been one of the criticisms from others we talked to. you can't blame the screeners completely perhaps they are not being equipped with enough.
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as discoveries are being made or the investigative phase of this, how long might it be before we actually get some answers so that screeners, et cetera, know what kind of equipment to use or know what new measures to put in place? >> screeners are not going to be able to determine what the chemicals are. what they will be advise of is, what is the method of transporting those chemicals? will they be strapped in plastic containers, zip-locked bagies and taped under the subject's legs on the pants or outer garment? the method of transport is what they will be advised to look for. this may require practically strip searching every passenger getting on a plane to check what is below their garments or underneath their garments. >> quickly before we go, this suspect umar farouk abdulmutallab, the family went
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to the u.s. embassy and said, we think something strange is taking place. this suspect had been on a list, but not necessarily the watch list. when you're on a list, right. >> we can't screen everybody through puffers and patdowns, it would not work. so you look for intelligence, right? what we are learning now is there was some intelligence out there. how it was shared, to what level it was shared. we do know now according to the state department that this man's father, this retired banker from nigeria went to the u.s. embassy and advised them his son was in some kind of radical state or leaning radical, and he was placed on some sort of list. it obviously wasn't the list that said you, airport screener, not to not let this guy fly or pull him aside, ask him questions and perhaps send him through a puffer machine or swab his shoes, whatever they do.
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it has to be smart intelligence based, and as we've seen time and time again, when is there a slip in the cracks, there is usually a trail that should have been lit upon or moved more quickly on. >> drew griffin, thank you so much. thomas fuentes, appreciate both of your input. this incident strikes up the memory of the shoe bomber richard reid. remember him? there are similarities.
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nigeria. if you're flying, apparently, this is how you're going to be impacted as a result of what took place yesterday. beefed-up security airport check points. long lines. homeland security janet napolitano released this statement saying, in part, "these measures are designed to be unpredictable so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere. due to the busy holiday travel season, both domestic and international travelers should a lot extra time for checking." many people are already drawing parallels now between the attempted attack on the northwest airlines flight with the infamous shoe bomber case involving richard reid. that was back in the year 2000. here to talk about terror tactics now, a terrorism expert and the director for international security for the asia pacific foundation in london. good to see you.
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>> good to be with you. >> almost immediately the parallels are being made. someone onboard a transatlantic flight nearing the u.s., somehow there is a flame and then in the other case of richard reid back in 2000, the flame didn't happen, but certainly someone, a passenger saw him trying to attempt to ignite his shoe at the time. what other parallels are you seeing? >> what is interesting is that the event yesterday on christmas day fell into eight years to the week that richard reid tried his attempted attack to bring down a transatlantic flight. >> it was also christmas, as you say. >> very much so. there is also this very interesting connection to holland, to the netherlands. richard reid had been making a lot of trips on behalf of al qaeda. he then claimed he lost his passport, which he asked the british embassy in amsterdam to
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issue him a new one to hide the fact of where he had been traveling. in addition, what hasn't got much attention that is richard reid's co-conspirator was a british citizen. the day richard reid was supposed to blow up a flight leaving from paris to the u.s., his friend was supposed to target a plane across the atlantic flying out of amsterdam. you are seeing al qaeda's crazed obsession of targeting aviation remains a huge concern, especially from europe with transatlantic flights. >> with these commonalities, are you seeing perhaps the directive may be the same, fbi authorities, at least some of the federal authorities say they believe that abdulmutallab was acting alone? do you see the directives being
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the same? >> fortunately, both abd abdulmutallab and richard reid seemed to be alone and people took it upon themselves to stop them. keep it in mind that abdulmutallab couldn't have put together this device by himself. there had to be an infrastructure. there could be other affiliated outfit that have the same desire to create a disruption chaos on the aviation industry and the fact that he traveled to yemen on a number of occasions is also very important because yemen has become an important hub for al qaeda-affiliated groups. many people trained there for this specific purpose of carrying out attacks.
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plus the u.s.s. cole attack in 1999 was based through yemen. >> so john gohel, thanks so much for your time. >> my pleasure. you have to wonder what was it like exactly onboard that northwest flight 253? are you a cop? no. you didn't hear it from me, but this malibu, it offers better highway mileage than a comparable camry or accord. estimated 33 highway. i saw that on the epa site. so how come the malibu costs so little. it's a chevy. you have cop hair. now during the chevy red tag event, get an '09 malibu with o percent apr for 72 months. see red and save green. now at your local chevy dealer.
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i'm josh levs. authorities increasing security efforts at airports all over the country and around the world. that affects millions of tralers on one of the busiest travel weekends of the whole year. there are things you can do to speed up the security process. this is from tsa.gov. check out how to pack and not to pack. they get really specific. let's go to pointers. first one is they talk you through packing in layers. you have a layer of clothes, electronics, clothes and heavier items makes it faster. keep in mind liquids, you can get the small containers to put
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your liquids into. put them in quarter-sized clear, plastic zip-top bag of liquids. pack your coats. people don't want to do this. you're flying someplace cold. if you are comfortable putting your cold inside your checked baggage, they say that can save minutes per person. limit how much metal you are a i wearing. they are saying there are a lot of people that are wearing a lot of jewelry. takes a lot of time to take that off. they might put you through screening several times. take off as much as you can in advance or pack it. two things i find interesting. this one here says no jelly, no sauce, no maple syrup. maybe you've got grandma's cranberry sauce. if you have anything like that, they'll grab it out of your bag, take a while to find it, figure out what it is and they'll toss
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it. finally, people making fun of me, but i like it. no snow-globes with you on an airplane because they have liquid inside. it's not clear to the average person or anyone screening how much liquid it is. they'll toss it. everything is up in the blog. i've got it going for you facebook and twitter. also sorts of information how to speed up that process. next hour, how to speed up check-in. you know me. almost 30 years behind the sports desk
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and the suspect described as a 23-year-old nigerian seen in this white t-shirt here, talking to the fbi. he is also apparently being treated for burns he sustained on his legs when that small device was lit on fire. the alleged bomber was the only one injured. he is allegedly talking to investigators as he is being treated at the hospital. the suspect, a little more about him. recently lived in london. british counterterrorism police are searching his last known residence, this upscale apartment. the attempted terror attack on the northwest airlines flight started with a pop and puff of smoke. terrifying moments as passengers scramble to subdue the suspect. here is how one passenger described the come ocean. >> what we heard at the beginning was a bang. sounded first like a balloon being popped. then there was a minute later a lady shouting back and she was
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saying things like, what are you doing? what are you doing? then we looked back. there was a struggle. i think about five rows back on the left of where we were sitting. we saw fumes and then there was a flame fire coming out. there was another man that jumped on the assailant, good night who was responsible. i was trying to figure out why they were bringing out a fire extinguisher. they managed to put out the fire and fumes. there was a lot of panic in those three or four minutes during the event. >> an exclusive interview with a man who helped tackle the suspected terrorist on this christmas day flight to detroit, .
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