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millions rang in 2010. new hampshire became the fifth state to legalize same-sex marriage. we are going to talk to a newlywed couple about their new rights. christianne amanpour hosted "the war within." morning, morning, it is monday morning. 12 degrees. >> the morning commute to the city, london's financial district. every day 300,000 people commute to work here amid fears that britain is now al qaeda's number one target. >> raised in britain and a member of al qaeda. today the prosecution outlined how he wanted to blow up a tube train as it passed between the
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thames. >> i'm christianne amanpour london has been my refuge but now the conflicts have erupted right here. nothing has been the same since suicide bombers struck london's buses and tubes. >> the terrorist threat faced by britain will last for generations. >> british intelligence says it knows of 30 terrorist plots. >> the people being encouraged to attack us are young british-born pakistani muslims. >> inflammatory headlines spread islama-phobia. and britain's muslims wonder how they fit in. >> if we are not careful we will have bloodshed on our streets based on race and faith. this is something serious. >> join us for britain's "war within."
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it had been dubbed london-istan, the hidden word of london's homegrown islamic extremists. they are a tiny minority of britain's 1.6 million muslims but they have no trouble getting their voices heard. >> one day you will conquer rome. one day you will conquer the white house. >> choudry is the public face of islamic extremist in london. his group disbanded before the british government could outlaw it under new anti-terrorism laws but that hasn't shut choudry up. >> whoever insults the prophet mohammad deserves capital punishment. >> that was his inflammatory
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rhetoric just days after pope benedict's controversial speech about islam. >> pope benedict you will pay. >> pope benedict you will pay. >> the mujahedin are on their way. >> british catholics looked on in disbelief. >> they can stand outside our church and abuse us and our religion and people we hold dear with impunity. >> the simple question to the christians are do you condemn what the pope said? do you condemn the pope? >> what he says. >> so you don't. >> if any of us were to amble up to the mosque at regents park, best case scenario taken away by the police for racial hatred, worst case attacked by thugs with tea towels over their head. >> choudry, is lawyer not a
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cleric, continues to advocate extremist view called for sharia, islamic law for britain. >> all of the world belongs to allah. this is a fundamental belief of the muslims. if i go to the jungle i'm not going to live like the animals. >> basically a lot of what you are saying is it is my way or the highway. how does that logic fit into a democratic state where you live. you live here by choice? do you not believe in democracy? >> no. i don't at all. people must live according to the sharia. >> that means people would have their hands cut off for robbery, stoned for what you call adultery, hanged. you can see that happening? >> one day the sharia will be implemented in britain. it is a matter of time. whether it comes from peaceful discussion and debate or the mujahedin will send an army, allah knows.
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>> an islamic army coming to lay down the law in britain? what do people think in one of the biggest muslim neighborhoods. >> ishmael, would you like to see sharia law in england. >> sharia, what's that? >> islamic law? >> no. no. i'm muslim but for someone to tell me that is the country for the whole land, that is wrong. this is a free land. everyone is sfwit ld to what they want to do. it is not taliban here. >> it is not the taliban. >> it is not the taliban, you know what i mean. >> you wouldn't know it at this traditional muslim wedding the choudry has come to officiate. >> in the west they want to say equality between men and women. allah has given the man authority over the woman.
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>> we never saw the bride or the female wedding guests. they were segregated in different halls but we were invited to witness the nika, the dowry agreement between the groom and his father-in-law. >> pleas accept to to be conducted in akor daps with the sharia. >> and even at this wedding choudry holy war. >> bless them with pious children -- [ speaking a foreign language ] >> but how about those who carried out the london subway attacks on july 7th, 2005? choudray gives an ominous answer. >> i'm not planning to blow myself up on the underground or carry out an noerpgs britain.
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those people may be doing what mohammad and others did probably because of the same reasons which they included in their will. you need to look at that. >> this is the videotape will of one of the subway suicide bombers. >> until we feel security you will be our targets. until you stop the bombing and imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. we are at war. i am a soldier. now, you, too, will taste the reality of this situation. >> those reasons included in their will, are those reasons justified in your view or view of islam? >> we have everything we need in those wills. >> where in the koran does it justify the killing of
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innocents. >> mohammad quotes a verse where allah says he has purchased the life of the believers. they will kill and be killed. >> muslims i strongly advise you to sacrifice this life. >> there are mullahs, imams today who say the suicide bombers have done a lot of damage to the reputation of islam. they are saying that the kinds of things that you are saying is, in fact, damaging the religion so much? >> this is just -- you are making a statement here. there is no real question there. people don't refer to you for islam they refer to people like shaikh osama bin laden. my brother is in al qaeda. i am involved in a military campaign. >> you call them your brothers. do you mean that? >> of course. every muslim in the world is my brother. >> these people ladies and
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gentlemen have a good look. they think if you kill children and women you go to heaven. you have no chabs in hell -- can i speak. i would like to say this is not an ideology, it is a mental illness. >> and stopping it from spreading may be the most important battle for britain today. who try to quit cold turkey will be unsuccessful. if you haven't been able to quit smoking, you haven't failed, maybe your method of quitting has. but you can do it. you may just need the right tools. clinical guidelines recommend treatment and support to improve your chances of quitting smoking. why not get all the help you can? make a plan, get support, and talk to your doctor about prescription treatment options that can help you quit smoking. and to find out more, go to rethinkyourquit.com
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in wolfansto. overnight he discovered he was on the front line of britain's battle against terror when police arrested 14 young men in his neighborhood. >> there is a minority in the schools that actually believe, this is muslims and nonmuslims and this is very shocking, that employeeing people up is quite cool. >> last august british police descended on the neighborhood saying they foiled a conspiracy
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to blow up u.s.-bound airliners with liquid explosives. this set off the biggest security event since 9/11. >> i got an e-mail. i put the question to some of these guys. the answers i got back is when a bomb goes off in baghdad or afghanistan and innocent women and children are killed, who cares for them? if a bomb goes off in america or london what is wrong that? >> a poll in the times of london showed a shocking 13% of british muslims believe the london subway bombers were martyrs and many british muslims see the iraq war as a war against islam, against them. we are talking about england, young mus sims who grew up in this country. i think people would be stunned to hear you say it is essentially foreign policy which is causing youngsters to blow themselves up on the subway system and youngsters to think
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that's cool. >> foreign policy has a lot to do with it. and -- but it's the minority radical groups that use that to get to our young people. >> some of those young muslims are easy prey because they believe the british government crackdown is scapegoating them as when minister john reed came talk to their parents. >> there are fanatics who are looking to groom and brainwash children including your children so all i say is look for those telltale signs now. >> one of those fanatics was in the room waiting to pounce. >> when they come to your own houses, when your house is raided or your sister is raped you will be irate. >> omar brooks, a self-styled religious leader of an extremist group that is banned.
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>> he went in there and he shouted and hollered at everybody and everything is thinking this guy is the system. >> where is your freedom of speech now? >> they are considered heroes for the younger guys. >> you should not come to a muslim area. we don't want to see john reed or tony blair. >> it is easy for those guys to come back into the community and have a lot of supporters. >> these people, many self-appointed clerics are dominating the national debate and the debate within islam right now. they are the loudest voices. how is that possible? >> our scholars have educated themselves to preach islam are not coming out of their holes, their mosques to engage these people. they are frightened of that. sichlt so hanif is desperately trying to fix that, trying to get the mosque elders, many stuck in the tribal traditions
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of pakistan, to communicate with the younger generation. >> i would like to ask the young people because i'm part of the committee of next door mosque, which young man comes in the mosque and the mosque refuse them? >> how many times have you the community leader tried to-game with us the youths. >> sometimes the young people go into the mosque and older people are praying and you disturb their prayer. >> we are not attacking the mosques. >> what do you think is your most serious problem right now as young muslim men in england? >> we feel like the youth have been called the enemy within. they are blaming us on being terrorists. they are blaming us for being suicide bombers when they have no right to actually accuse us. >> if i was walking down the street with my mosque hat or beard they think terrorist,
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extremism. >> they are into all kinds of vices. they are into street crime, drugs, car theft, credit card fraud. but then you've now got another threat. >> what is the new threat? >> the new threat is radicalism. it is a cause. every young man wants a cause. >> so hanif's cause is to break the ice. this time in a pool tournament between the police and the young men who often find themselves on the wrong side of the law. >> on the street they hate the uniform. so to break down barriers. i think it is a brilliant idea. >> it is unusual to see but it is quite good because the kids and the police are mixing together. >> all it takes is one pool table. it wasn't just the game. it was them being here, in the same room having a laugh and a joke with the same guys they've arrested many times and may
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arrest again. they have one thing in kbhoen they are playing pool and they have a chance to beat them. >> yeah! >> this is for the active change foundation pool tournament october, 2006. well done. >> it is a good start for community, but it is only a start. >> you can be muslim and you can be british. like you can be christian and be british. you can be jewish and be british. if the british born muslims really want to do something to stop people damaging islam then start reading up on your book, explain it to your children, come out of your denial face. the only threat to islam at the moment and the biggest threat to islam is our enemies within.
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hello, everyone. i'm don lemon coming to you from a chilly new york city. the failed christmas day terror attack is a stark reminder of al qaeda's ultimate goals the word from a top government official as al qaeda is testing u.s. officials as they try to launch an attack on u.s. soil. u.s. officials know with absolute certainty that would-be terrorists are working to refine their methods. a smokey smell in the cockpit forced a delta flight to turn around and head back to
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boston. flight 1879 was bound for new york city when the pilot decided to turn back. the odor dissipated by the time the plane and 34 passengers returned to the gate at logan international airport. delta says its pilot was acting out of an abundance of safety. the cartoonist who angered muslims was attacked in his own home. he has been charged with attempted murder. westerguard has been moved to an undisclosed location. those are your headlines. the christiane amanpour's special "the war within" first aired in 2007. rejection has been this man's thing since the days of
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punk rock. his latest blast against the system and angry new album sum up what many young british muslims reject today. the war in iraq, the war against terror and all its infamous abuses. why is the cover of your album so provocative. >> it is provocative because i find it represents american foreign policy which is far more provocative than any piece of artwork. >> you can't get much more provocative than this track. his song and video about making a dirty bomb. ♪
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>> i decided to write this track cook book diy, how a common man makes a bomb, how an educated man makes a bomb and a scientist from the white house makes a bomb. morally they are all as repulsive as each other. ♪ i insist i'm a legitimate scientist paid by the government with your finances there is less radiation so you get a cleaner bomb ♪ >> when you put out these songs about dirty bombs or benefits of jihad, does it cross your mind that young people who might be inclined to take that and run with it in a violent way might do so. >> that would be like me saying you know, i'm angry because i watched "rambo." hollywood is making films, you are making documentarieies abou
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terrorism. you are allowed to do this but me as a muslim is asked that question again exposes the kind of pathetic intelligence that is rife out there where one rule is for one and another rule is for another. >> but it is, in fact, muslims who have been blowing up planes. >> no. americans -- >> going on to subways in your own capital. >> as far as terrorism is concerned we can't even touch the immensity of state terrorism that has gone on by the west. >> you mean that? >> i absolutely mean it. across the globe, even in europe people are sick to death of the american foreign policy. >> he may be on the cultural cutting edge but his take on america is becoming mainstream in london's muslim community. this so worries the united
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states it sent its ambassador robert tuttle and his wife maria to reach out to muslims here in britain. they are visiting birmingham central mosque. >> if i was to strap a bomb to myself and blow innocent people up i'm not practicing what i'm preaching. my religion is islam, the religion of police. likewise what america preaches and its actions don't go together. >> at the end of the day until you can have free elections and open dialogue like we are having here now, that is when you truly have peace. >> you can't bring democracy to iraq if you bomb cities and kill children and men and women and they aren't going to love you. if you kill my child i'm not going to love you. i'm going to hate you. this is what he has done. so mr. ambassador, i know you are a nice man. how can you defend mr. george bush's policy. and as soon as he goes mr. bush and somebody sensible comes in power in america we'll be very
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grateful. >> let me say first let the record show he said i was a nice man. let's not forget that. i have known president bush for almost 25 year. he is not anti-muslim. he is not anti-islam. >> it is the largest mosque in the united kingdom, western europe. the reaching out and discussion and dialogue is what counts here. >> that gets more critical by the day, especially in birmingham, britain's second largest city with its largest muslim minority. mohammad ali is a birmingham artist knowns as aerosol arabic. he rose from painting graffiti on city walls to displaying his art in museums and stately halls. >> it is actually a guy who is
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making a equally for prayer. god has given me a gift, the ability to paint. i'm using my skills to try to make a change in society. you see something negative and you actively go to change that. >> mohammad ali's reaction to the negative atmosphere is to practice what he paints. >> people are increasingly becoming disillusioned or being led astray. this is not the way. i have done workshops with kids and i say to them, if you have issues, put it on a canvass, paint, express yourselves. >> that is the aim of his new project, a giant street mural that he'll be painting on the side of an islamic nursery along with students from a multifaith high school. >> the whole mural is supported by the reverend john, the chaplain of a local college.
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the headmaster of the faith based islamic ministry. everyone engaging together on this mural is powerful. >> this is a perfect time. >> are you guys ready? >> in a flash mohammad turns into aerosol arabic and this ugly wall into a piece of street art. >> i'm going to give you the same cans. we are going to have red, orange, yellow. >> none of these students has wields a spray can before. >> it's nice. it's nice to attend. it is good. i like it. >> what you need to do, you solid and blend in like that. >> i think it is great that people from across the communities are coming here and united to produce a piece of artwork like this. it's the issue of the day unless the communities work together
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like this. we haven't got a rosy future to look forward to. we need to do more of this. >> we have various icons in the form of architecture. we have the church and the mosque to represent the unity of the people. >> i think it is good. it promotes like brotherhood. non-muslims alike, they think negative of us. it is nice to have that image to show that -- to bring us closer, if you know what i mean. it is a good thing. >> the views of islam in britain have taken quite a knocking. so to see an expression of islamic faith in an interesting art medium is to the good. >> that is the great thing about graffiti ant outdoor arts. it is out for the people. look at the people around you here. these aren't the people going to the nice big galleries. this is art going out to the people in an accessible form where young and old can say i
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like this. it is transforming something ugly. believe me, that wall was ugly. >> while he tries to transform the ugliness dividing brazilian, from his recording study aki nawaz is trying to make sure every muslim child grows up to question that ugliness. >> all i want my kids to know is they have absolutely every single right that the british people have. they are allowed to dissent. they are allowed to be provocative. they can be a part of society or ph.d. the middle finger up at society. >> muslim women take on hot-button issues. in britain's "war within." i feel congestion, p9right around here.
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whether it is on the radio or before an audience at a london comedy club. >> i'm kind of a moderate muslim in a wine swilling bacon sandwich chomping -- wait. that hasn't stopped people from being hostile toward me. i get in some very white areas. they are very fearful and hateful of muslims because of what has happened. >> a couple of days after the bombs went off in london this woman phones me and goes, aiysha, just want to let you know, nobody blames you. then she followed it up with you musn't blame yourself. i didn't until that point. thanks. >> you felt there in that one phone call that society is looking at all of your community in that weird way? >> i mean, up until that point i had distanced myself from it
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then suddenly thought i guess i am a muslim. so people must think you are a muslim. part of your community did this. you are guilty by association. there is a lot of really massive stereotyping going on in society at the moment. >> nobody has been more stereotyped than women who wear the nikab, the complete face veil. that is a lightning rod for controversy after a teacher was suspended for wearing it on the job. rukia ganhi is an anonymous figure in the crowd. her veil says more. do you feel part of british culture and society and life? >> absolutely. i find it a bizarre question to be asked. i was born in this country, brought up here and, you know, everything about me is english. >> what is the most common question that you get asked.
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>> why? why do you cover? why do you do it. we don't understand. i see it as an obligation of my faith. >> actually the nikab is more about culture than the koran just like the fact that more than half of britain's mosques don't allow women to pray inside. >> go home. >> we have come to pray. >> that is why these muslim women are trying to get their foot in the door. >> we got the door slammed in my face. i am so disappointed he shut the door on me. >> we don't have space for the women. >> this debate continued on the air. >> that's a very small flavor a reception a group of women got when they tried to pray in a london mosque with the men. is now the right time to be fighting the battle of the sexes. catherine, how was this experience for you? >> it is an intrinszic right. we have the right to pray in
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mocks but because of cultural reasons the older generation in some mosques in this country are excluding us. >> you are not supposed to show your face. >> we are not asking for the rights in the mosque. >> this is absolutely the right time for women within islam to be having these debates. more and more women were allowed to have a greater role in muslim community it would help temper some of the extremism which is ruining things for the whole community. >> how delicate is the situation in england? >> i think the situation is incredibly delicate. the majority of muslims in this country are very passionate about their religion but they're also moderate people. they're passionate about their lives they've created for themselves in britain. >> like aiysha and her family who made a cross cultural leap when they moved from india to
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scotland. >> when my dad first moved to glasgow one of his patients said what are you? i'm a muslim. what kind? a celtic muslim. >> football terms. >> i thought that was brilliant. >> what was he? >> whatever you are. >> we want to remove this idea that islam is a religious of peace. it is not a religious of peace. >> will islam-a-phobia push british muslims further apart?
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hello everyone. i'm don lemon coming to you from a very cold new york city. the failed christmas day terror attack is a stark reminder of al qaeda's ultimate goals,
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according to a top u.s. official as they plan to launch an attack on u.s. soil. u.s. officials know with absolute certainty that would-be terrorists are working to refine their methods. a smokey smell forced a delta flight to turn around. flight 1379 was airborne for about ate minutes bound for new york city when the pilot turned back. the odor dissipated by the time the plane and 38 passengers rrned to the gate. delta says its pilot was acting out on an abundance of safety. >> curt westerguard whose drawings of the prophet mohammad angered the muslim wofrld was attacked in his own home. a man who is linked to al qaeda has been charged with attempted murder. westerguard is moved to an
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undisclosed location. "the war within" first aired in 2007 but is timely with the recent terrorist activity. this could be london's next big landmark and big controversy. a mosque unlike any seen before. >> we're really basing it on islamic landscapes, desert landscapes, a dune-like soft structure that form terraces at the back. >> and totally modern. >> yeah. completely modern. >> ali manjara is one of britain's young architects. what are you trying to say about muslim? >> thea with are progressive. >> you would think that everyone
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would be ecstatic at his vision. just like they were when london won its bid to host the 2012 olympics. but the megamosque will hold 40,000 muslim worshippers and the most visible monument from the games. city counselor alan craig is leading a campaign against it. >> they have it. this is the megamosque. the huge building will be right there. >> it looks like wasteland. what is wrong with putting a mosque or anything there? >> this is different this is huge. this is massive. this will be at least the biggest mosque in europe, some say the biggest mosque outside of the middle east. >> right now the biggest symbol of the tug of war over islam. today counselor craig and his supporters are canvassing the neighborhood. >> hello. sorry to bother you. my name is alan craig.
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i'm a local counselor. i'm calling round about a large mosque they are planning to built. what is your reaction? do you welcome or not welcome? >> not welcome. >> a blunt view shared by other east enders. >> why do you not want to see this megamosque here? >> to be honest we are overcrowded here without getting a load more people living here. it is just overcrowded. >> the megamosque will pack in more people than the big league soccer stadium does every weekend. but for muslims in the neighborhood, craig's campaign just smacks of more islama-phobia. what is your opinion? should there be a big megamosque? >> this is the first time i am hearing it. with all respect it is a great idea. with any other religion they get permission to build straightaway.
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>> some say craig's campaign against the mosque is a competition between faiths. >> how would you describe yourself? >> i'm a committed christian. >> a lot of this sounds like, sorry to say, white middle class anger and fear of muslims right now. >> it is none sense. i am used to people insulting me. muslims have the right to build mosques as others have the right to build temples. it is valid to ask these questions. >> the biggest question is the group that is funding the mosque the most secretive of britain's major muslim organizations. never allows cameras inside its mosques. now the group is reaching out. this member is now spokesman for the megamosque project. what is the philosophy? it is secret. we don't know. we are not allowed in. >> it is not secret at all. the doors are quite open.
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they do not engage with the media that is why it is not known tor to the people. you should have islam in you in such a way it should reflect from you. >> that peaceful image does not sway their critics. >> there are a number of people who have become terrorists, who have become suicide bombers who were closely associated, including the leader of the london 77 bombers. so is there an association between what they are teaching and the terrorists and suicide bombers? >> the fbi, french intelligence is looking at it because of its potential links to terrorism, fundamentalism, potential influence and people are scared. >> people need not be scared. they have been investigating a long time. what have they found? there are millions of people following this organization. do you not think after all that time for them to produce only
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two terrorists. if it was an organization don't you think there would be hundreds or thousands. we do not encourage terrorism in any way whatsoever. >> it is a view shared by this man one of four muslim mps in britain's parliament. there is a spotlight on them mostly because they are secretive. you know them. they are your constituency. what are they like? >> they don't preach evil ideology. that doesn't mean an evil person might not go to their mosques. muslims feel under fire. do you feel that? >> the muslim community feels under siege, after july, 2005, where we had the heinous suicide bombers in london there is a degree of polarization that is taking place in our communities. >> many worry that will push muslims in britain to retreat into their communities even further. >> we have a great debate going on in this country about the
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nature of multiculturalism and if there is a possibility this mosque would impact west hammond so it becomes a separate society, a parallel society. that is very worrying. >> for an architect, it is a challenge to build on. >> we are trying to resolve these issues in an architectural sense. our views are to get people together. whether you are muslim, christian or jewish, we are all human beings. we share this small planet and have to think about getting on with each other. >> who will win the battle of ideas when mainstream and extremists muslims face off in debate. >> we like to die and you like to live. you like to go to your pubs, like to see your wife and children. good for you. don't fight the muslims and you will be saved.
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the battle for islam is in the end a battle of ideas. tonight on the campus of the prestigious trinity college in dublin, ireland, there will be a debate between mainstream mu limbs and self-appointed apostles of holy war. the small group of islamic extremists who turn up at every rally and protest in britain have come to ireland to debate moderate clerics who say their religion has been hijacked by chaudhry and brooks. >> we bring the blood of the enemy. that is islam and that is jihad. i laugh when i kill. he said to his own people i come
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to slaughter all of you. anybody who stand in the face of islams will face the banner of jihad. >> shortly after this program first aired british police arrested omar brooks and charged him with inciting terrorism. there aren't many people following the banner of omar brooks yet he and his colleagues have loudly dominated the public debate about islam but tonight the moderates fight back. >> these people, ladies and gentlemen, have a good look at them. they think if you kill children, you kill a woman. you would go to heaven. you have no chance in hell. you are a lawyer -- can i speak, you can't go to heaven until you claim insanity. this is not an ideology. it is a mental illness. >> it is a common thing to say the enemy, the babies, they kill the children, they are fundmentalists. there is a lot of propaganda. what are muslims supposed to do
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when they are being killed in the streets of afghanistan and palestine? people die. we want to remove this idea that islam is a religion of peace. islam is not a religion of peace. there is evidence in the book of islam called the koran sanctioning violence. >> does the koran really sanction this kind of violence? no says shaikh shaheed who spent a life time fighting apartheid and extremism in africa. >> these extremists claim to know islam. they seem to portray god as cruel and uncompassionate monsters. i demand them to provide proof from the text of the koran. >> chapter nine, verse 29, allah says -- >> to decipher the koran we vice-presidented the same east
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end neighborhood where our journey began to talk to imam u samma hasan. they say look these verses in the koran that are quoted justify this kind of violence. what's going on? >> those verses are nearly totally taken out of context and nearly always ignoring the spiritual aspect of forgiveness and repentance. >> few people have studied the koran as closely as he has. he memorized it by the time he was 11. at 19 he fought in the jihad against communists in afghanistan. he says there is no justification for violent jihad here in britain. >> if you have the wrong intention you could justify your criminal actions from any text the koran or bible or shakespeare. there are passages in the new testament where jesus christ said think not i have come to bring peace.
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i have come to bring the sword. that is a famous quote in the new testament. but clearly most christians don't misunderstand that to justify terrorism and wanton violence. >> what is your reaction when you hear this book the koran and those words taken in vain to justify what you've called crazy islamic terrorism? >> it makes me furious. the people who do that kind of action and support it are a very tiny minority. but it only takes a handful to create dv station. >> that is why imam hasan's message to his flock at friday prayers is so urgent. >> many people are terrified of muslims. they are terrified of a brother walking down the road with his eastern dress and hat because they have seen these images associated with suicide bombers. it is up to us to dispel the fear, to smile at people, to

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