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of our 2009 book recommendations on cnn.com/gps. don't forget gps has joined the social networking revolution. go to cnn.com/gps to find out how to follow us on facebook and twitter. don't forget, next on cnn, "amanpour." starts right now. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. this week -- afghanistan, opium and the war. are drug users around the world funding the taliban? welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour. and today we explore the way opium fuels the insurgency in afghanistan and beyond. we'll speak to the top international drug official, and
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to a journalist who's seen firsthand the taliban's relationship with drug money. plus, we have a searing look at the sale of daughters and wives in india. we talk to women who are struggling to end this multi-billion dollar slave trade. but first, opium and heroin are fueling the war in afghanistan, and insurgencies around the world, as well as crime and addiction. just listen to these statistics. afghan opium kills more people every year than any other drug. and in nato countries every year, heroin from the afghan poppy fields kills five times more users than all the nato troops who's died fighting the afghan war over the last eight years. the u.n.'s top drug enforcement official told me that the taliban is much more involved in every aspect of the drug trade than previously thought. joining me now, antonio maria
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costa, the social director of the united nations' drugs on office and crime. you wrote the report. welcome to our program. >> thank you very much. >> what is new? >> a lot. a lot of new information and above all, the overall picture. you are aware of the picture of where the afghan drug goes, how much goes to russia, how much goes to europe, pakistan, iran, causing deadly consequences. how much money is accrued to the insurgents in afghanistan and around afghanistan. and also of course, how much goes into the pocket of organized crime world war. above all what the report does is links the dots together and we see the health situation, the crime situation and the organized insurgency's operation all together. this is very new. >> so in terms of the figures, some $400 million a year going to the taliban? >> yes. this is an estimate which has been produced some time ago which is confirmed in this report, at least regarding the amount of money which is being used by the taliban thanks to
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their role in the cultivation but especially in the processing in the labs and in the exports. >> i want to explore that with you. before people thought they were just getting a take, small take, off the top. but now you're saying that it is much, much more involved than that? >> well, we should compare for example the taliban period now when they are insurgents not in control of the country but in control of parts of the current, to the period when they were a power, when they were in power and therefore running the country in the late '90s. at that time the taliban were tolerating the cultivation because they consider it to be unislamic or antiislamic but they were taking capital of about 10%. at that time we estimated revenue to insurgents about $80 million -- $70 in the to $90 million. $80 million. today they are deeply involved in the processing and deeply involved in protecting the farmers, deeply involved in the exports, deeply involved in all the activities, including the precursors -- chemical precursor
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which are imported into afghanistan. in all of that we estimated in this report reports of $130 million, $140 million a year. plus there are activity involved which brings up the number significantly. >> we have a map here of afghanistan and surrounding countries. you can use this and try to tell us where it's all going since that's part of your new report as well. >> basically, the afghan opium leaves the country through three different routes. about 150 tons of heroin reach pakistan. about 105 -- slightly more than that -- tons reach iran. and the remaining, which is about 55 tons of heroin reach central asia. of course this is not to stay in these three countries. a good deal of the pakistani cargo moves into iran and the whole lot goes through iran,
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into turkey, and then eventually into the european union. >> and a lot into russia. right? >> the segment which i show goes through central asia -- about 70 tons of it -- reach russia and then goes on. >> in your report you said the afghan economy generates $700 million into evil hands, some with black turbans, some with white collars. what do you mean? >> the black turbans are easily identified. you know with whom. white collars -- we intend to refer to, for example, officials in the afghan administration whether in kabul or in the provinces or in the federal government, or people in the army or people in the police. but also those who are around the world involved in recycling the money which is generated by the opium trade. we have estimated that amount to $65 billion. that's a lot of money. >> what's the solution?
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we've just reported and the u.s. has said that forget eradication, forget the popty fields nap is simply not going to be enough. so what is the solution? >> it's very simple. it is going to take a long time but it is very clear what should be done. first of all, all the opium which is listed there, 70 tons going to russia, 100 tons going to europe, there is a demand. they kill 100,000 people a year. we need much greater effort and commitment by government to prevent drug addiction, to take care of drug addicts, to remedy intensive therapeutic measures to their situations, to reduce demand. second of course, the social problem. you mention eradication, namely the destruction of the crop. we need to have farmers to disinintoxicate themselves, to switch to other cultivation. it has happened. opium being so abundant in the country, the price of it, the climb by 20%, 30% a year in the past few years and it became competitive to produce something else. we need to nurture this
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something else. >> so if it is competitive, why hasn't the nurturing been done? why isn't more of this alternative -- >> because insurgents are in control of the territory which becomes very difficult to bring to farmers basic development. you need to bring refrigeration facilities, to build roads to take the product to the markets. you need to have the facility to stop -- >> you sort of need to nation build in order to allow this to happen. >> we need development. exactly. >> and are you dealing with the nato troops as well? nato has a certain mandate. many of the nato countries have been reluctant to have their forces join the u.s. drug eradication or interdiction efforts. is anything changing there? >> yes, a lot. in the report there is evidence that during the first nine months of this year, about 120 strikes against drug targets were run by nato. there is even lists of tons of opium, tons of seeds and number of labs destroyed. i think this is happening --
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>> is it making a dent? >> so far, unfortunately, in terms of the pure number, i would say, not yet. the amount of strikes are impressive. the amount of labs destroyed and opium confiscated is high, but there is so much drugs in afghanistan -- twice of the consumption of the world -- that in percentage terms, nato operation has not been effective. >> so what will it take in short? >> it will take a much greater commitment in terms of effectively looking at the kingpins, those who are, to some extent, involved in insurgency but, above all, involved in trafficking and therefore we don't support insurgents. what i mentioned earlier, reduction of demand and therefore, less addiction in europe, and reduction of supply, namely helping the farmers to switch, we need much harder stance on traffickers, whether they are in afghanistan wlb they are in pakistan or whether they are along the routes in russia
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or europe. >> you talk about the kingpins. there is a report that the u.s. is now targeting them from the air or from anywhere, targeted killings and also the pentagon has a list of some 50 drug kingpins to be taken out. is that one way to go? >> no. i personally don't believe so. for a very simple reason. we believe in correct application of justice. and i am perplexed about the fact that this is not actually happening. the security council of the united nations already on two occasions, in 2007 -- 2006 and 20 2007, passed resolution, invited member states to provide to the security council the name of the major traffickers involved in afghan opium and also funding insurgents so their travels could be banned, their assets could be seized, and the procedure for eventual extradition could be launched. so far, much to my dismay, not a single name is provided to the
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the world's heroin and opium, drugs destined for users in the west. they are smuggled through iran. this is the front line in iran's war against the drug traff traffickers. its fron tears with pakistan and afghanistan, along maybe 2,000 kilometers of borderline, iran has built concrete walls, dams, canals and earthen barriers. >> that was my report on drug smuggling 11 years ago. so what has changed today? joining me now, gretchen peters, an award-winning journalist who reported from afghanistan and pakistan for more than a decade. she interviewed hundreds of villagers, smugglers and the taliban for her book "seeds of terror." and here again with me in the studio, is the u.n.'s antonio a maria costa. welcome back. that figure 11 years ago, now we're hearing that 90% of the world's opium and heroin comes from afghanistan but only 2% is
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seized there. most of it going out of the country. what is to be done? >> well, i think there needs to be a lot more focus on interdiction. i do think there needs to and lot more focus on stopping drug convoys, raiding and dismantling drug labs. that's very difficult because many of them are small and mobile. i think as mr. costa said, there has to be tremendous effort on the development side to help bring rule of law to rural areas where poppy is cultivated to try and help villagers, the many different levels of things that have to happen to help villagers move off of the poppy crop. but there is also a lot to be done internationally and that gets a lot less focus than it should. >> mr. costa when i asked him about the notion of targeting these things, as you said, convoys and other such things, wasn't so keen on it. he said not extra judicial killings. yes. but you have said that the
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pentagon has this list of 50 or so people that they're going after. what, to kill? >> it is kill or capture. yes, it is a kill or capture list. i think that what they're finding from military officials that i've spoken with who are tracking this issue, is that the drug traffickers and insurgents in southern afghanistan are working so closely together that it's almost impossible to separate them. recent example was a raid in helmand in may when they uncovered a taliban command and control center in the middle of a poppy market -- an opium market and they found more than 90 tons of drugs, precursor chemicals and poppy seeds there under the taliban's control. so they really are working very closely together. i think there has to be more effort to try and interdict the major traffickers who are not -- and money launderers who are not in afghanistan, really the major players are in pakistan, they're in the uae.
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some of them move between iran and afghanistan. this is a regional issue and it needs a regional approach. >> are you getting, mr. costa, any luck trying to get -- we discussed it briefly a little bit ago, but any luck trying to get some international cooperation on this? >> i think a lot is happening now. now obviously those are seeds which will bear fruit got only knows when in the future. we have for example promoted a trilateral initiative between afghanistan, pakistan and iran. that is working quite well. there have been joint operation. very unusual, because very often this -- at least some of these countries have been at odds with one another, they're been running joint operation, joint patrolling, sharing some sort of intelligence. the results again are very small but symbolic in that this is the beginning of a exercise which is far reaching. the same in central asia. >> gretchen, you talked about a dea success story. they got a kingpin, they lured
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him and managed to bring him back here to prosecute. but then you went after the trail in pakistan. what did you find there, even after he had been taken off the streets? >> well, i went to his house before he was arrested. i tracked him down to quetta in pakistan a few months before he was arrested. he wasn't there but i spoke to other members of his team and they freelily admitted whose house it was, that he was a major drug trafficker. i consider him to be like the pablo escobar of afghanistan. nobody was the slightest bit concerned to have a journalist show up at their house and tell me exactly what they were up to. so it's been my experience that it was actually quite easy to meet with smugglers, truck drivers who smuggle heroin through pakistan and southern afghanistan. they were very open about talking about it because there is so little interdiction. i do think that's changing and i think that that is an encouraging sign, but this is a multi-billion dollar -- there is
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a multi-billion dollar trade going on in this region. it's drugs going out, commodities coming back in, and the insurgents, and corrupt officials on both sides of the border profit off of, and protect that. that gives them a perverse incentive to stabilizing the region. in other words, this entire economy is fueled or is supported by the continuing instability. it is going to be very hard to turn that around, christiane. >> i think you read that even after he was taken off the streets his relatives and lieutenants continued the trade. >> oh, yes, absolutely. >> let me just read you this. there is a statement by thomas shrite, former state department counternarcotics official in afghanistan about the coordinator of afghanistan's counternarcotics. what he said was --
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>> do you think that's the case. >> it is a bit harsh. i know tom well. >> but there have also been accusations against president karzai's relatives, brothers, part of this drug trade. >> we are talking about two different subject matters here. certainly the minister in afghanistan is very weak. he has no ability to enforce the law. it is nothing. it is sort of a moral role. i guess that is what tom meant when he says it is ineffective. certainly he's very clear. i never had one single word against him in terms of him being involved. then there is a different element, which i brought up, the question of corruption. corruption in kabul. corruption in the provinces. corruption in the army. that's a different issue and i would consider it one of most
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dangerous ones and one of the most urgent to be dealt with. >> gretchen, last word to you. as this re-assessment of afghan policy goes on, as this crisis in governance in afghanistan is playing itself out, how is this going to help or hinder, more like likely, the effort to control the drugs? >> well, i think at the same time that the drug problem creates challenges. it also presents opportunities. my research among the people of afghanistan and pakistan finds that on both sides of the border people are fed up by the drug trafficking and the other criminality and officials and insurgents are up to. they're fed up with this. i think it provides an opportunity for a counterinsurgency campaign to build a more well-governed region from the bottom up, from the village level up. >> so you support what general mcchrystal is basically saying, that the whole process of
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development and counterinsurgency and really building from the ground up. >> i believe that that is the best way to go. i have to say, i'm a little skeptical that at this point the nato troops that are trained for that kind of mission, i believe that there has to be a lot more focus on law enforcement and i think there is a tremendous challenge to the idea of sending a company of soldiers, say 120 u.s. marines, into a village in southern helmand and say, you guys have to enforce the law. in that case your soldiers essentially turn into policemen patrolling the streets and your company commander is the mayor. i don't think western troops deployed to afghanistan are trained to do that kind of work. i don't think we have the type of development forces being deployed alongside them to help these villages transfer themselves on to other types of economies. it is a very, very complex project. in an ideal world i do think it would work.
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>> thank you, gretchen. i saw you nodding when i asked her about the recommendations by general mcchrystal. >> definitely. the country's crying, afghanistan is crying, for greater security. whether it is security on the ground in terms of fifting insurgency, whether it is security in terms of fighting the crime or cultivating, processing and exporting drugs, we need all of this on the ground, whether done by the afghan army and police, unlikely or by foreign troops, it just has to be done and urgently. >> the u.n.'s antonio maria costa and gretchen peters. will the united states stay the course in afghanistan? a rare diplomatic convention when we return.
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afghanistan's narco mafia state is a key concern as the united states mulls its new strategy, and the whole region is wondering whether the u.s. will stay the course. this week we had an unprecedented roundtable on our program with the u.n. ambassadors from afghanistan, pakistan and india. and during the interview, i asked them what they thought of what the u.s. defense secretary robert gates had told me previously on this program about america's involvement there in the late 1980s.
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>> we turned our backs on afghanistan. we turned our backs on pakistan. they were left to deal with a situation in afghanistan on their own. their worry is what happens in the future. will we be there? will we be a constant presence? will we be supportive of them over the long term? >> that's what u.s. secretary of defense robert gates told me earlier this month, promising to stay the course. do your countries want the united states to stay? we have this strategy review going on. do you want them to ramp up and stay? ambassador? >> our view is very, very clear about that. we supported general mcchrystal's suggestions and strategy, including increase of forces. we know this threat is not only for afghanistan or limbed to afghanistan and pakistan. this threat is not only regional. as we know, everywhere. so without stabilizing
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afghanistan, any talks about withdrawal or exit from the military activities and dealing with the challenges is just against the interest of the united states and the global world. >> thank you. ambassador? >> from charlie wilson until now it's been your game and your terrain. if you pull yourself out of it it's going to create serious problems naturally. i think that this is not the way to handle it. it has to be handled by putting together or cobbling together a peace that can work with everyone involved, all the neighbors of china, russia -- india, iran, the work then i think we have it going on a better scale. because just to pull out like that, like you did last time, will have devastating consequences. >> ambassador? >> you cannot have a fight against international terrorism which is compartmentalized. the snakes that bite us come from the same pit.
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you cannot form deals with terrorist groups so i think you need a comprehensive international movement against the terrorists and i hope that all of us who are involved in this will carry this fight through until the end so that all of us are victors in this. >> thank you all so very much for being with us. thank you very much for joining us. when we come back -- >> why are you taking this information? why are you taking this information? >> i want to know. >> our reporter in india investigates a shocking story that so many people don't want you to see.
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yemen. john brennan is saying the u.s. is not taking any chances with the lives of our embassy personnel. he says the failed u.s. terror attack will not change plans to close the gitmo prison. lawmakers are calling on the obama administration right now to stop sending yemeni gitmo detainees back to their home country citing the terrorist threat there. but brennan says some will be sent back at the right time under the right conditions. you go outside, brr. much of the u.s. in a record-breaking deep freeze. temperatures are plunging. even in south florida farmers are trying to just protect their crops. northern plain states, rocky mountains, all of you guys experiencing record low temperatures. those are some of the top stories for this sunday. "amanpour." continues in just a moment.
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sexual exploitation and misery. we're going to talk to some women who are trying to stop this, but first we have a special report from cnn's sara seidner. >> reporter: the field, cattle, and farms of ancient times. this is rural india. the harvest determines feast or famine here and so much more. drought, debt and desperation have pushed people to extremes in this north central indian region. to survive the bad years, some farmers turn to the "rich man" who lends money. but the high-interest loans mount up and lenders demand payment. because of years of poor harvests in this district, some farmers say they are being forced to pay their debts with whatever the lenders ask for, including their wives. do money lenders consider wives possessions to be bought and sold? "yes," "she says. "it happens sometimes when somebody bother rows money."
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>> reporter: did the money lender buy you? "he did buy me. that's why he told me he bought me." she says for 30 days the rich man forced her to live with him. when she finally did reach police, she told them her husband had sold her. then her case drew public attention. she retracted her report and her husband has taken her back. a social scientist says exploitation of women is common here, and so is the result when a woman gets the nerve to file a case. >> nobody's going to support and help them. the family decides not to help them. system's already not sensitized towards them, police, judicially, the legal system. the women themselves tend to withdraw these cases. >> reporter: in another village, another farmer, another money lender. "i sold my water engine and land and gave back his 30,000 rupees." this farmer says the lender then asked that he send his whif to help with chores while the lender's wife was sick. he sent her and his children
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went, too, but the mother never returned. he says she was stolen from him. state authorities say their new investigation found the mother does not want to return and left on her own to be with her lover. but the daughter who says she lived with the lender and her mother had a different story. why did the money lender take your mom away? what did he tell you? "he says there was still some money owed and took my mom." the daughter also says she and her dad were told to keep quiet by some of the village leaders. while we visited, officials with the state magistrate's office pushed open the door of the farmer's house and started videotaping our interview. >> what is your name. >> reporter: sara. and why are you taking this information? why are you taking this information? >> i want to know. >> reporter: that case aside, this government report says the region is prone to what it calls atrocities against women, including buying and selling them. social workers say this isn't just about poverty. this also says a lot about the
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low social status of women in these parts. >> those women are well aware of all kinds of sexual exploitation. there is much more violence to these women in that area. >> reporter: charities and the government have been trying to help but the girls, often seen as a financial burden, ill literal, seems low. 14 years ago this woman says she was sold to her bus by hhusband parents for the equivalent of $200. she was just 12 and never considered going to authorities because she says she had nowhere else to go. she accepted it as her destiny. with another severe drought this year, activists say more women and families may be traded off for their labor as they struggle to pay back. we talked to dozens of villagers. we talked to people from the government as well as sociologists. no one knows exactly how
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prevalent this might be but it is certainly not unheard of here. >> sara, thank you so much for that report. and in a moment, a glimpse of the terrible fate of women who are sold into sexual slavery and an earlier conversation i had with two women who are fighting to end this multi-billion dollar global sex trade. stay with us.
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how much money do you want for your daughter? >> translator: 150,000 rupees. >> are you joking? did you say hundreds of thousands? you must mean thousands. >> yes, 1 1/2 thousand. >> translator: okay. we'll give you the money. now, can we take her to bombay? >> yes. >> will you be able to do whatever is asked of you, any job? >> oh, yes. >> yes. >> do you want to go to bombay? >> yes. >> do you know what to expect in bombay? >> i haven't seen it so i don't know. that was a scene filmed in
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nepal in the startling documentary "selling of innocence." it shows that the problem of human trafficking extends across borders. joining me now here in the studio, the filmmaker behind the documenta documentary, the founder of an organization that helps victims. and also here, the executive director of equality now. she's pushing for much tougher antitrafficking laws. so welcome, both of you, to the program. let me ask you, you were posing as a trafficker in that scene. >> that's right. i wanted to show how easy it was and how anyone could go into a village in nepal or india and look around to buy a girl and somebody would show up to sell the girl and the girl had no idea about her rights and for as little at $50 could buy her and do whatever they wanted with her. >> and it was making that film that turned you into an activist for these -- against this situation. >> it was a life-changing experience for me because as a
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journalist i've covered war, famine, conflict, hunger, but i had never seen the deliberate exploitation of one human being by another as i saw in a brothel in bombay when i walked into a little room, 4x4 and saw the 10-year-old and 12-year-olds sitting on the bed. >> 10 and 12. >> yes. and 10 or 15 customers a night. >> 10 or 15 customers for 10-year-old girls. >> raped repeatedly every night. >> how many girls and women does this affect? >> according to the government of india, just recently, in may they said 1.3 million children are sold into prostitution in india right now. and they are 1.3 million prostituted children in our country right this second. >> what does your organization do? what does it stand for? >> it means self-help in hindi. we believe in organizing women and girls to rescue each other so we work in areas like slums
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and we form small groups of women to help them find other livelihood options and we also get the daughters into school by helping the women empower themselves inside these small groups. >> it sounds easy, get the girls re-educate, liberate from this bondage? is it easy? >> it's never easy. we work on all forms of violence and discrimination on girls against the world, we believe sex trafficking will get worse before it gets better. she highlights the case in india but this is a worldwide problem in the world. there is not a source or transit destination country for human trafficking. >> even people as prominent as hillary clinton, our secretary of state, are talking against it, people as powerful as oprah winfrey takes us this cause, and yet, is anything really being done?
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>> trafficking thrives in the shadows. it can be easy to dismiss it as something that it's something that happens to someone else somewhere else. but that's not the case. trafficking is a crime that involves every nation on earth and that includes our own. >> so if it's a crime, who are the main criminals? >> it could be anyone. it could be organized networks. it could be a mom and pop trafficking women and girls on craigslist. we really value the words of hillary clinton. however, it's not really something that happens in the shadows. there's government corruption involved. there's lack of law enforcement. there's lack of political will to really address the issue of human trafficking. >> also the main criminals i think are the end users, the buyers of prostituted sex who want the little girls and because of which the traffickers and organized criminal networks see that there is profit in it and they're going to find these girls either in eastern india or
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europe. >> this is something law enforcement seems not to have got a grip with. they always prostitute the prostitutes. how to get them to prosecute the users, the buyers, the traffickers? >> two ways. we have been campaigning to change the indian law to punish buyers of prostituted sex more severely and also traffickers who are making a profit off the sale and purchase of girls, women, men and boys and we are also trying to get the law changed so it does not punish women for a crime they never committed. they were the victims. and now they're survivors. >> has any progress been made in india? >> we've been lobbying for the change now for three years. biggest obstacle we face is from some of the aids management agencies who want the brothels to exist so that they can distribute condoms inside. i've been facing this -- and they want to protect buyers of
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prostituted sex from disease rather than protecting the women and girls from buyers. >> reporter: she is now too ill to entertain customers. she has been told she has tb. she thinks she has aids. she trusts that her old friend will help her but she knows that soon, she, too, will be too tired and too old to attract customers. after 15 years in the brothels, she is dying. >> on this issue, has aids made younger girls more vulnerable as men seem to think that young girls will not infect them. >> absolutely. it is created a new demand because now men are saying that they want disease-free young virgin girls so traffickers are on the prowl in the villagers looking for new girls to kidnap, seduce, trick, force, coerce. >> we've got this map of india
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up. i just want to show this highlighted area here which is where this story that sara sidner told us that farmers who are desperate are now basically handing over their daughters. describe for me a little bit of the inherent problem right here. >> this is an area of india which is agricultural and -- agriculture there is based on the monsoon and when the rains come, then they have a good bumper crop and can live off that. when there is no rains there is drought. farmers get into debt by taking money from money lenders to go over the season of drought. this time round money lenders are saying if you don't have money give us your daughters or your mothers or your wives or your sisters. >> this is a disaster. just the way you describe it is absolutely incredible. almost unbelievable. what can be done really beyond raising awareness? awareness is being raised. you've got the secretary of state of the united states, one
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of the most powerful diplomats in the world saying that this needs to be controlled. how really can it be done? are the people that you're engaging with serious about doing something? >> well, there are a number of things. even here in new york state we have the strongest state anti-trafficking legislation but again, no political will to enforce it. number two, we really need to address the commercial sex trade. the availability of women for purchase is something that we need to address nationally and internationally. women are not for sale. they're not for sale in brothels or at the mayflower hotel or on the streets. number three, we need to build an international network of survivors voices. they're going to come forth to give us the best solutions. >> let's be brutally frank. prostitution has been around since the beginning of time. what is the major difference now?
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is it the fact that the girls are younger and younger? is it the fact that girls are being sold off? what part of this prostitution or trafficking can you really try to grab and make a difference with? >> first of all, prostitution has not been around from time -- pimping has. women for profit has existed. the commercial and exploitation is a form of gender-based violence and discrimination and i think it is a collective effort. >> in india, again i'm trying to see in this huge global problem that is prostitution, is it fob maybe have a bigger impact by focusing just on the youngest kids first as a way to start this? >> of course. you know, anyone's heart bleeds when they know a 7-year-old is in a brothel. but what i've noticed is that because we sort of accepted the prostitution of adult women,
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slowly it changed and from adults it went down to the 17-year-old, the 15-year-old, the 13 and now the 7. so in fact the acceptance of the prostitution of anyone who is female affects us all. so i think maybe if we really have to focus on to turn this thing around where prostitution has become so normalized that it's leading to trafficking and transport of girls from one place to another just for this purpose, is that we have to really go for laws where we can go after the demand for prostitution and once we start dismantling that and spread the message, then maybe we can start turning things around. >> is there one memory, one incident, one discovery that you made that stands out amongst all others? >> yes. there is a little girl called nayna that we rescued from a brothel a couple of years ago and she was born in the brothel. she was prostituted when she was 12 or 13. raped repeatedly. deprived of food. forced to become dependent on
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drugs and alcohol. and today after the rescue she knows how to read and write in two languages, studying to be a videographer and is changing her life around. the one thing she asked me after she began to study, as long as there are buyers there will be other little girls like me at risk. so is there nothing we can do to go after the buyers? >> and one last question for you. are there young girls who are fighting against this and winning this battle on case by case? >> absolutely. equality now has been working with grassroots organizations around the world who are amazing human rights activists who are raising hell about this issue and i think these are the voices that we really need to pay attention to and give support to. >> taina, thank you for raising hell. we'll continue to watch and monitor this closely. next, a very different look at india. is really is a unique perspective on the joy of
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