or those who want to use religion as a weapon? the outcome will resonate far behind the streets, these neighborhoods, and even the borders, as the rest of the world watches britain's war within. >> there'sing? that i want to tell you. >> i figured that my brand was beauty inside and out. >> she bears herself to the real

world. >> yeah, it's kinky, exactly. >> larry: tyra banks shows and tells. >> i'm over my last name. >> larry: so what are you now? >> just tyra, just call me tyra. >> larry: next on "larry king live." >> larry: what a pleasure to welcome her back. since this show she's become major. look what's happened to her since. host of the tyra show. create for and executive producer of "america's top model" and recently launched an online magazine called tyra beauty inside and out. >> larry: are you looking to be oprah? is that it? >> if i tried, i would fail. >> he's like the god mama, there never has been and there never will be another. but looking to be her, no. i started as a model, so the path is quite different. >> larry: last time you were on, you were dealing with the

f-word, unflattering tabloid photo of you and remember in the swimsuit? you have lost weight since then. do you think like a fat person? >> i don't, actually. you know, when i told the world to kiss my fat -- i can say ass, right? >> larry: yes. >> when i told people to kiss my fat ass, i maintained it for three years. i didn't look at myself, even on television and think that i was too big or -- i don't know. i didn't -- it didn't connect. but since i have lost a lot of weight and it started with a weight loss challenge actually at top of this year. so i'm two years after kiss my fat ass. >> larry: you talk about croutons, ranch dressing, you talk about it like you love it. >> i love food.

i still have my caesar salad. i just do it with balsamic vinaigrette. but i did this with my friends. we were sitting around the table and kind of trash talking and decided to do this challenge because we all love food. i trash talked so much where i had to win and i did. >> larry: when you look in the mirror, are you happy with the way you look? >> okay, i'm doing a little bit of tmi, you know what tmi is? too much information. i always feel great when i'm at home without my clothes on. that's too much information. but i always feel good that way. >> larry: but you don't see yourself and say i don't look good? >> sometimes certain clothes when i put them on and they don't fit the way that i would like them to, that's when i tend to get self-conscious. >> larry: would you say that you're a particular person? >> yes, but not with my physical

image. >> larry: you kicked off season 5 by revealing your real hair. let's watch. >> let's talk about my hair right now, i know it's been a big mystery. and it was like it was an unsolved mystery and i felt like i needed to solve this mystery, i have worn weaves and wigs and pieces and clip ones and clip downs and arounds, since i was 17, 18 years old. i wanted to show the real me, i wanted to show the raw me. i just got out of the shower, beat the face first, and but i just came out on the stage and this me, y'all, this is me. >> larry: how did that feel? >> oh, my god, it felt so liberating. i have worn fake hair since i

was 17 years old. >> larry: extensions and all. >> extensions, weaves, wigs, everything, so just to be able to be myself, it felt liberating and free but i feel like i have a responsibility because there's young girls that come up and say, tyra, i want to be like you. it's real kinky, it's like real black girl hair. go in there. it's kinky, my natural hair texture is kinky. >> larry: is bad hair day worse for black women than white women? >> you felt my real hair texture. you felt my real hair texture. hair products we spend $7 billion on hair products each year. so growing up in the media, where they're saying a certain

type of hair is beautiful and yours isn't. it's a long political thing that we can do a whole show about. but i felt it was my responsibility to show as much as my real hair as possible. my natural texture is a lot kinkier. >> larry: does it feel better to be natural. >> it feels better to be natural. but i have to admit, it is hard to upkeep it. like when i workout when i wear wigs and weaves, i work out, you just wash it really fast and you go because you're putting fake on top of real. with my real hair, for years, i forgot why black women are running from the rain. it's like why are you all running? because i had wigs and weaves. now when it rains, i run. >> larry: with all that's happened to you, do you kind of pinch yourself? >> i'm starting to learn to celebrate success. >> larry: you should. >> i'm learning that. because i'm very driven, like, you know, whenever i see a young girl that has an issue or an insecurity, so i'm like i got to tackle that. so i'm always pushing, pushing, pushing, but i have to stop and go to dinner, go to the movies,

enjoy my success. >> larry: do you like being a celebrity? >> the one thing i like about being a celebrity more than anything is being able to get into any restaurant i want. that is the best. >> larry: and the table ain't by the kitchen. what i don't like about celebrity is people quote us higher. if this cup doesn't have a price s issue or an insquirt, i've got to tackle that. i'm always pushing, pushing, pushing. i realized that i have to stop, take a vacation, go to the movies, liken joy my success. >> do you like being a celebrity? >> the one thing i like about being a celebrity more than anything is being able to get into any restaurant i want. that is -- >> larry: that's the best. >> and the table ain't by the kitchen? >> it ain't by the kitchen. what i don't like about celebrity, people quote us higher. if this cup doesn't see a price

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banks who's everywhere, doing everything. in july, forbes magazine ranked you as the fifth most influential woman in the media behind oprah, diane sawyer, barbara walters and ellen degeneres. >> my mama sent me that article. >> larry: do you want to be number one? >> i don't think it's possible. >> larry: does it flatter you? >> heck yeah, it does. my mom sent this to me and i said, oh, my god, look at this. it's very flattering but odd. >> larry: how does mom feel? >> my mom's so proud. i can always tell when she's tearing up and when she sent that to me, i could tell she was tearing up. >> larry: the next tyra is the female branded self. you don't need your last name anymore. >> i'm over my last name. as a model, i was tyra banks, my given name that my parented named me. and for a while we decided as a model to drop the banks. that was the big thing to do. all the big models had just one name.

then i decided to use my last name again and now i'm over it. >> larry: so what are you now? >> just tyra, just call me tyra. >> larry: what is your brand when you merge into all these things. >> when i really had time to go into what my core values are, and my passion is really dealing with women, young women and women in general. and i finally figured out that my brand is beauty inside and out. to say we're only going to focus on the outside is unrealistic when it comes to young girls because their physical self is so important to them. >> larry: is there a down side to being beautiful? >> is there a down side? are you calling me beautiful? >> larry: some men feel like they can't approach you.

i can't ask tyra out for a date. >> that happens. but the ones that do, either they are very cocky or very confident. >> larry: so you're not alone on saturday nights? >> am i alone on saturday nights? >> larry: i don't think so. >> you were the first lady on harper's bizarre. what do you think about obama? >> when she delivered her speech, i teared up. i said oprah winfrey is a role model, and you're my role model and i have a new one. i find her to be the epitome of class. >> larry: every time she makes an impression. >> she's an amazing mother. she protecting her children. they didn't ask for this. they just so happened to be the first children of our country. i just find her absolutely amazing.

>> larry: i found that she only works two days a week. the other five are the kids' days. >> i love that about her, she's a real mama. >> larry: and she has real hair? >> she has real hair, but if she wants to wear a weave, that's okay. i think she pushes the box on what a first lady should look like. that's what i'm about being your own person, being a unique individual. >> larry: what did you make of jimmy carter's recent remarks that part of the reason for the anger at the president is racist? >> i honestly have not seen it, but i have read a lot of what has been going on recently. and i have to kind of go with what our president says, you know, he says in terms of health care, there's, you know, it's very volatile, certain people believe this, certain people believe that, and it's a lot of things maybe can get misconstrued or -- i don't know, i have to really defer to him on

that. >> larry: based on her, did you ever feel in your life looked down on because of your color? >> most definitely. that's just the state of where we are right now. most definitely, but it makes me stronger, and it makes me open up my arms with love as opposed to feeling angry about it. >> larry: you faced it in modeling? >> most definitely, every single day of my modeling career i was told that i couldn't do jobs because of my skin. illustrated's" cover, right? >> yes and others. >> larry: you're the epitome of female modeling. lots to talk about, still america's next top model, we'll talk about that too in 60 seconds. >> the next thing we have --

>> oh. >> a crystal ball. >> oh, that's nice. let me take a look at that. >> what do you see in your future, senator. >> it says -- i see the white house right there. >> larry: we're back with the

terrifically talented tyra banks. the tyra show is now in its fifth season. it's won two daytime emmys for outstanding and informative talk show. here's some of tyra's most memorable moments. watch. >> my name is tyra banks. my name is tyra banks. can we have some change? excuse me, sir, can we have some change? >> in this page right now, i'm going to unveil it. >> this one is spiky. >> oh, my god. >> you almost got a little bit of a will smith thing. >> don't be jealous, will. do you want to give me a kiss. >> no. >> so i have something to say, to all of you who have something nasty to say about me or other women that are built like me, kiss my fat ass! >> larry: by the way, do you like being on the cw better than syndicated? >> the talks show has moved to the cw, "america's top model." i like it because it's one big

happy family and our ratings are huge right now with the talk show. like we're number two 18 to 34, women that are younger and older watch the show. but i'm very happy. >> larry: tyra interviewed chris brown along before the famous incident with chris brown and brianna. >> larry: -- we're friends. (announcer) here's hoping you find something special in your driveway this holiday. ho, ho, ho! (announcer) get an exceptional offer on the mercedes benz you've always wanted at the winter event going on now. but hurry - the offer ends january 4th. you've always wanted at the [ crowd gasps ]oing on now. [ announcer ] if you think about it, this is a lot like most job search sites.

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we're friends. i am so amazed. >> can i do you? >> on account of one, two, three, bitch. >> larry: when singer chris brown was accused of beating up his girlfriend brianna earlier this year, many people recalled an interview that he did with you. we played a clip from that interview and asked him about it. watch and we'll get your reaction, watch. >> larry: chris, the february episode shocked a lot of people for a lot of reasons, including the fact that chris spoke out about his mother having been a victim of domestic violence. here's something you told tyra banks before the incident. watch. >> it affected me, especially toward women, i treat them differently, because i don't want to go through the same thing or put a woman through the same thing that that person put my mom through. >> larry: what happened?

>> i made a mistake. i made a mistake and it's just something that i have to live up to and own and just know that i can change and be a better person. but i definitely made a mistake. >> larry: what is your read on that whole story? >> first, it was very shocking when i first heard that it happened, you know, there's so many rumors in the entertainment industry and was like oh, that's just a rumor and more and more police evidence comes out and photos and i was just like in shock. for a moment i was in shock and then i went back to the interview that i had with chris brown and he told me that he experienced this abuse of not his father, but i think it was a father figure, but not his biological father on his mother and that he was so scared, you know, hearing his mother scream and in so much pain -- >> larry: he heard things. >> he wouldn't see it but he always heard it. he said he wet his bed and became a bed wetter for an embarrassingly long time. and when i heard that, i said, wow, the cycle is repeating. >> larry: so do you feel sorry for him, angry at him? >> both.

i feel sorry for him because we all know i have covered domestic violence, especially with teens on my talk show and we do know that it is a cycle. you know, when you experience something, there's a large chance that you are going to become the perpetrator. so that is where the sympathy goes out because he is a victim. but at the same time, your reasoning for being -- for doing something does not execute the fate of somebody else. >> larry: were you shocked that a lot of his female fans blamed her? >> uh-huh. there's a -- right now in society, especially with the internet and there's a lot of negativity that goes on. >> larry: of course. >> and there's such a safe place to just say craziness. a lot of it can be them maybe brianna's so beautiful and she's so fantastic and she's so lovely and she's got this great voice

and this great career, you know, so maybe it's easy to just go, you know, it's your fault. but i don't necessarily think that a lot of those girls truly, truly believe that behind their computers. >> larry: have you ever been physically abused? >> no never physically. >> larry: psychologically? >> most definitely. you know, the abuser is a person -- >> larry: was it a boyfriend. >> there's four different types of abuse. there's sexual, there's verbal, there's emotional and there's physical. and i was emotionally abused. a little verbal. but a lot of emotional. and what -- you know, i didn't necessarily think it was my fault, even though he would constantly tell me i treat you this way because you make me treat you this way. i didn't think it was my fault, but at the same time, i wanted to prove to him that i was lovable enough because my self-esteem was lower at that time in my life. and stayed for such a long time and i out loud in his house i said to myself, tyra, what is

wrong with you, who are you? get away from him. i said something like that to myself. it still took me months to get out but i finally did. and now i have young girls from the girls that are not famous to girls that are in the entertainment industry that come to me because i have told this story and many other stories about insecurities and things. >> larry: you have been talked too, right? >> you didn't let me finish. a lot of these girls, they call me and i become kind of like a big sister to these girls to help them with a lot of these different things that they're going through in the entertainment industry and not in the entertainment industry. >> larry: do you ever have a fear it will ever happen again? >> it will never happen again. thank god it did happen because i know what it feels like, and i know the signs of me feeling

like less of a person and i can be susceptible to it. an abuser, they're like a heat seeking missile, they can scan a room and know, it's like boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, like they know who the abuser is and they know who to go after. the missile would go like this to me, it would never come back. >> larry: our good friend dr. drew has written a commentary for us on civil rights and gay marriage. go to cnn.com/larryking. back with more of tyra right after the break. it has more cargo space than pilot. including the most space behind the third row. and traverse beats honda on highway gas mileage too. more fuel efficient and 30% more room. maybe traverse can carry that stuff too. the chevy traverse. amer. compare us to anyone and .

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>> host of america's next top model airs on wednesday. she's recently launched an online magazine called tire ra beauty inside and out. >> it had a season and it was very successful and it's coming back. abc renewed it. >> in a recent interview you said that you were more of a diva. >> yeah >> larry: define diva. >> i didn't say that, somebody asked me was i one and i said no, i wish i was more of one, but i would never just say that quote. >> larry: what is a diva to you?

>> different things. i mean a diva can be a recording artist that just you know can sing her butt off and does not need any auto tuning or any computerized vocal help that commands a crowd that brings people to their knees and then there's the negative connotation of it. >> larry: like serena williams, was that a diva attitude? >> my gosh, no that was a competitor. and when serena does that she's a diva, and when a male athlete does that he's just being competitive and emotional. >> larry: you were asked some of the negative stuff said about you might stem from jealousy and you said you side stepped the question, is that true. >> i was asked that question that there was some negativity that was said about me from someone that i hired in the past from one of my shows and i asked the person that was interviewing me, similar to an interview like this why they think these people were saying these things about me and i pushed the person because i interview people for a

living and sometimes, when you ask a question, you have a thought, you know, you have an opinion, so i was asking the interviewer's opinion, the interviewer said it was jealousy. >> larry: do you listen to answers? >> i do. larry when i first started i would not listen to answers, i would be thinking about the next question. thinking about the next question. now i listen. sometimes i just throw away my prep. >> larry: tyra banks in a bathing suit, does it sell the suit rather than sell yourself? >> as a model, you are selling the outfit. and i do think that supermodels, the reason why they're paid so much is because they move the product more. so when -- >> larry: they actually check that, they know that? >> i know that because when i was a contract victoria secret model for ten years that the reason why they paid me what they paid me, because i moved the product. if it was on me, it would sell more than if it was on somebody else. >> larry: the man would look at you and then down to the suit?

>> larry: tyra banks in a bathing suit, does it sell the suit rather than sell yourself? >> as a model, you are selling the outfit. and i do think that supermodels, the reason why they're paid so much is because they move the product more. so when -- >> larry: they actually check that, they know that? >> i know that because when i was a contract victoria secret model for ten years that the reason why they paid me what they paid me, because i moved the product. if it was on me, it would sell more than if it was on somebody else. >> larry: the man would look at you and then down to the suit? >> 90% of the victoria secret buyers are female. >> larry: and they look at what you're wearing? >> they look at what i'm wearing. >> larry: what makes a good model? >> i think she needs to know how to "sm-eyes." you have to smile with your eyes. you need to sell those clothes and it all starts with the clothes. tyra, here, you know how to smile with your eyes so many different types of ways. she quoted they can do it.

i'm not sure that i can do that many. >> larry: are you smiling with your eyes? this is not "sm-eyes'ing", this is dead eyes. this is "sm-eys'ing." you ought to trademark that. >> i wish i could trademark that. >> larry: what is it about the eyes? >> if you're just dead like this, you're not going to sell that makeup. but if you're -- you are -- can get a job by "sm-eyes?" >> larry: yes, you can, too intense, soften it, soften it. novocain mouth, dead mouth. dead lips, eyes, nice, works, work, works, yes, you did it. you're doing it. >> larry: geez, i'm falling all over myself. we'll be right back. >> be afraid, because i'm going to defeat you with my "sm-eyes." otherwise known as smile with my eyes. >> this is what i'm talking about.

this is the "sm-eyes." i'm going to take a picture. oh, my god! >> go! >> i have never seen that color in my life. >> and you never will unless you learn the power to "sm-eyes." you can be more powerful than any model. including those glamazon tall bitches out there. it's spinning. tyra just pops out of the fabric. beautiful, you like wings. frds

it's spinning. tyra just pops out of the fabric. beautiful, you like wings. you're so much better with the lens. and now it's time to talk about something extra special with you guys. >> larry: we have a tweet question for tyra. do you tweet? >> oh, my god, i love it. i follow you. >> larry: it's a sickness, isn't it? >> you have to, like, control yourself or else it will consume your life. i have had people that were addicts on, i was like oh, my god, i don't understand.

i love it now. i love being able to connect to people. >> larry: we need a tweet hospital to get people off. >> a twaspital. >> larry: if you have a question, tweet it to us. ask tyra how much she misses most about her life as a model. >> oh, my gosh, i miss absolutely nothing about my life as a model. i have a show that i can mentor girls and teach them every single thing they know. so i don't miss it at all. at all. >> isn't a lot of it boring? >> larry: it didn't push me creatively as much as i would like. toward my modeling career, some of the clients, in between shots, they go, i know, i know you're doing. >> larry: it's over. >> you're ready to go. but i like producing and creating and i'm in the business now of creating stars, i'm more interested in that than building my own. >> larry: you pretty much keep the same male models, right? >> there are five judging spots on "america's next top model"

right now there's myself, miss jay and there's nigel. i'm sorry, there are four. there are four permanent or semipermanent spots. the spot of the female established almost retired legendary supermodel is something that's cycled so every couple of months they cycle that position. >> larry: why is that show so successful? >> i think it's successful because it pulls back the curtain on a world that seems so intimidating. a world that people thought was it cycles so every couple of seasons we cycle that position. >> why do you think it's so successful? >> because it pulls back the curtain on a world that seems so

intimidating, a world that people thought was going to take absolutely no skill and we showed the world that it is the skill, i think it's also popular because i have made sure that i don't have just stereo typical beauty on my show. it's my passion in life, it is -- one of the reasons why i feel like i was put here is to redefine beauty to open up the doors, so i feel like i have struck gold and i have reached my goal when young girls are looking at top model going, she can model? because if she can model, i can model. because it's saying it's not the cookie cutter of beauty. >> she looks so like a complete barbie doll. >> i am the ghost. >> i am looking for someone to light my chariot of fire. i am looking for america's next top model! most girls on top model this season are 5'7" and below.

>> larry: would a show on top male models work? >> no, i don't think so. because you can't name five male supermodels in the history of modeling, you can if you're a fashion person. but if you're not obsessed with the fashion industry, you can't. the public does not really want to see that. >> larry: are you big in the gay community? >> am i big in the gay community? >> larry: a lot of gay people follow. >> yes. >> larry: are you big? >> are you like is my butt juicy? what are you talking about? i feel an affinity with the gay community. it's because being a black woman, i tend to connect with different areas of disenfranchised people. >> larry: not kidding?

>> i got an award for that in the representation of the gay community in the representation of top model and the gay community. >> larry: there were an oppressed minority. >> i feel like it's a minority that all other races collect together to hate against. >> larry: more with tyra after this. >> larry: we're back with the one and only tyra bank.

>> larry: we're back with the one and only tyra bank. there was a feature called style with elsa clinch. elsa profiled tyra watch. >> 19-year-old tyra banks uses her chameleon-like ability to -- one minute she's shy and demure, the next sultry and sexy. some people say you're the next supermodel. how do you feel about it? >> i always stay grounded and i take it as a profession because it is a business and it's very temporary for me and i always keep that in mind. >> how long are you going to be a supermodel?

>> i would like to be around until i'm about 23 or 24. i'm going to leave before they tell me to leave. >> larry: you haven't seen that in 16 years. >> i'm laughing because i said i was going to retire from modeling when i was 23, 24, i retired when i was like 30, so i was laughing at that. but i still stuck by the thing that i'm going to leave before they kick me out. >> larry: what do you think of elsa? >> my mom and i would wake up at 6:00 in the morning because she would come on at 6:00 in the morning and she would come on at 10:00 in the morning, and we would watch both. when i was profiled by her, i was freaking out. >> larry: thrill of a lifetime. >> freaking out. she is a legend. >> larry: feel great watching that now, do you? >> that was interesting watching that. >> larry: tyra's going to be on gossip girl" who will she play? relief! oh, it's like night and day. can i keep this? (announcer) afrin. why suffer?

♪ >> we mentioned gossip girls." what is it? >> gossip girls" is a very popular show on the cw and it takes place on the upper eastside of new york city based around these very wealthy, super wealthy families and the teens in their lives.

it's one of my favorite shows. >> larry: what are you going to be on it? >> i play an actress by the name of ursula nyquist who's a little eccentric and serena played by blake lively helps me out. >> larry: do you like acting? >> i only like acting when i get to act crazy. i don't like -- like i have some scenes where i'm over the top on this gossip girls" and i am much more comfortable than the scenes with blake lively where like how you doing, it's so great, nice to meet you when i have to be normal. >> larry: therefore, you wouldn't do a romantic comedy unless the character was nuts? >> yes, it has to be like physical comedy, the kind where the girl is like crawling under the table before she loves just came in the room, like anything physical in comedy, i'm very comfortable. normal girl next door kills me. >> larry: what's with the magazine. >> my online magazine? i have been asked to do a

traditional magazine for five, six years from all the top publishing houses but i felt that you know, the generation that i really truly connect to is really on the internet. and i said i'm going to do an online magazine. it's at tyrabanks.com all about beauty inside and out. we have fun though. it's like top model" where there is medicine in there but there's so much candy going on, it's a fun experience. every month the theme changes. october theme is going to be about modeling. >> larry: we have a twitter

question. when is tyra going to get married? >> when am i going to get married? i don't know when i'm going to get married. >> larry: do you want to get married? >> marriage is not the most important thing in the world to me. i didn't grow up as a young girl saying the white house horse is going to come rescue me. >> larry: no? >> no, there's so much divorce, i want to make sure if i'm married i'm going to stay married. that's probably why i'm not married. >> larry: how do the tabloids

treat me. >> they say i'm married all the time engaged. this is my class ring right here. graciously gave her that stage.

and enjoy myself, and later i saw all about it for him.

and i love all the girls and i wanted a challenge on tyrabanks and are they fashion.

>> correct. >> and why don't you wear braces? >> should i wear in. >> yes. >> red ones in. >> yes. >> i'm going to wear suspenders or braces. >> what do you think of ellen coming on the american idol show? >> oh, my gosh. >> i am going to watch her. >> are you? >> actually, i cannot wait to see what she's going to say you know, she can dance and i think she's going to entertain the heck out of everyone. >> what have you not done that you want to do? >>. >> i want to go into the