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>> larry: we are, of course, around the clock with coverage of this tragedy in haiti. skaven juries were scattered by hasen police, and nobody was injured. joining us now are some of the heroes. dr. mark grossman. he is with south florida search and rescue task, force two. and joseph fernandez, and the task force leader, and then let's check in with our own ivan watson. what is the latest, ivan? >> reporter: the latest is that the team here, they actually reached two people who were still alive in this mountain of rubble here. the workers have gotten through, and they have cut through and actually have been able to hold the hand of a krael speaking

woman there trapped along the side of a man. her voice is strong and they are passing water to her. they are trying to open up a hole to try and pull the woman out. she survived five days, five days, larry, in the mountain of rubble. and today, overnight, the same rescue workers, from new york and workers from florida, and from turkey as well, they pulled out three other individuals, a haitian man, and a 13-year-old girl, and early this morning, a 50-year-old american woman named mimi, and we understand she has a son in florida not living far from the home of one of the rescue workers. larry?

>> i am a captain paramedic, when i found out, when the lady or victim was pulled out, she actually lives in the city that i surf. serve. >> larry: dr. grossman, when you got there, was what you found what you expected? >> in haiti or at the caribbean market? >> larry: the whole ball of wax. >> no. i was expecting devastation, but i honestly feel like i have landed on another planet. everything is in disarray and disorganized. you go from down a street and there is masses of people sleeping on the street. streets are closed so people can sleep. everything is rubble and destroyed. and you go from -- our job is to go in and search buildings for survivors. it could be anyone building that you passed by is collapsed, you never know where somebody might

be that we can help. it's frustrating and difficult to just drive through. >> larry: joseph, how do you explain finding people alive who have been buried under rubble for a period of time? how do you explain that? >> i think it's on the level of miraculous. but there are some factors here, you know, as a task force leader i sit outside, and most of the time i go inside and look at what people like eric are doing. but there is something very different about the incident at the caribbean market, and that is that these people in the confined spaces are literally surrounded and trapped by food. and when eric was in there for three or four hours cracking cement to open a hole, the first thing that comes out were items, grower grocery items. they were able to sustain

themselves unlike people in many of the other collapses. i think that's affecting the time line here, and hopefully after we clear these couple of people that we should get in the next few hours, it will be five people in that building, and two people we rescued the night before, that where dr. grossman had to do an amputation on a girl. once we go to a more aggressive posture in the building, taking out concrete, we may find voids where we might find people still viable. >> eric, i understand that there was some frightening moment earlier today, the floor over the rescue workers' heads buckled. what happened? >> when i was with the victim there in the tunnel, there was a lot of debris, obviously from the collapse. i went crawling through the narrow space. there is debris falling down, and at the same time i am

pushing the debris behind me to the other rescue worker that we just created, making it possible so the victim could be pulled out through the tunnel that i was creating. and as i am doing it, i have to be really careful for the debris that is coming down from the above area and particularly i am wearing a helmet that now i am with the victim that doesn't have a helmet. so i have to be very caution, what i am removing and where i am pushing the debris. >> larry: dr. grossman, have you done a lot of amputations? in those circumstanceses, was it difficult to do? >> both, the circumstances, they call it a confine space rescue, where i had to climb into a void. i was about two feet high. they had to clear away as much

debris to make it wide for me and i had to go nine feet deep, and so it was hard to do anything let alone surgical amputation. routinely we don't do field amputations. it doesn't come up, and if somebody's arm was severed, they come in and we fix it up and they go to the operating room with a specialists. i never had to do that before. it was a harrowing experience. and combined with the fact that i had to do the amputation in the confined space, and all the other circumstanceses, and the race against time. we had to pull her out because she was dying. >> larry: joseph, how long do you expect your team to be there? >> we are currently working there. we will not leave the scene until we can absolutely know that it's clear. our group will be relieving the 35 persons that are operating there now. we did have to recall our team

that was supposed to be back resting today, because that situation that you mention when they cut a piece of rebar, the tensions snapped and there was movement in the slab and the slab is where they were working. you can see there is very small spaces where our people are. what we had to call in was extra personnel to put in post shores just in case that sandwich space in there got closed even tighter and could kill one of our personnel. we had to shift all of our people resting back out there, and now they are back home again and they will be back out there in the morning to do the shift swap. we will stay there that we can say with certainty that that place is cleared. >> larry: we salute you all. anderson cooper takes us outside the capital, where nobody has shown up to help. know one! incredible story next. you know why i sell tools?

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joining us now, anderson cooper, the host of "ac 360." they travel outside of port-au-prince today. they went to a town which apparently got nothing. where were you and what happened or did not happen there? >> carl got there first. no humanitarian aid had been getting to the town until a

world food program sent in a team last night. you saw doctors getting there today. >> yeah, we went in there. the main street collapsed. the mayor said the other 10% is just trying to get by. it really was a presession of the dammed there. relatives taking people to a make-shift clinic on doors, on mattresses salvaged from the ruins. and then there were very few supplies in the makeshift clinic. they were sending people out with broken limbs splinted with cardboard boxes and pieces of wood. >> i saw a little girl with her leg in a print. most of the focus has been downtown port-au-prince. and really, nobody had the time

to go to leogane. it's the very early hours. it's just the beginning of some relief. larry, the need there is incredible. i was at a school where at least -- they believe 100 to 110 children are buried in the rubble at the school. i saw what i thought was a stone in the rubble upon further inspection, it was the skull of a child, and it still had a tooth attached. there were only three or four haitians searching through the rubble trying to recover the bodies of these children. nobody was paying them. they were doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. there were 20 or 30 young men there waiting to skavage some of the supplies. and they were looking for notebooks and food and money, anything that they could find,

cooking oil that they might be able to use or sell later on. >> larry: carl, are things getting better? >> it's very difficult to say. i mean, i sometimes ask myself how things really can get better for some of the people that i saw today. a guy was brought in by his friends, by his mates on a wooden door. the doctors looked at him and said to his friends, have you to take him away and back home. he broke his back in the quake. he will be paralyzed now for life. that's if he makes it, and that's if he doesn't die from internal organs. i ask myself how are things going to get better for haiti with things like that? >> larry: anderson, what you do you think? >> reporter: some of the teams, they have this area in port-au-prince mapped out. they have teams responsible for

certain areas. they are going systematically include. you hear of people trapped where there is food and water available. but by and large they are getting no responses now. at some point soon, and i am not sure who will call it, it will turn to a recovery operations, and rescue operations will cease at some point during the week, larry. >> larry: thank you both very much. special, live sunday night edition of "larry king live." the children of haiti. some in the process of being adopted left in limbo. right now, there's a nurse saving a life in baltimore.

20 minutes later, she'll bring one into the world in seattle. later today, she'll help an accident victim in kansas. how can one nurse be in all these places? through the nurses she taught in this place. johnson & johnson knows, behind every nurse who touches a life... there's a nurse educator... who first touched them. ♪ you're a nurse ♪ you make a difference >> larry: we have breaking news for you on this sunday night. this is the very second that destroys haiti's capital and

brought misery to one third of the nation. the building collapsed around her, and she survived. unbelievable. [ screaming ]

>> larry: this woman is in portland. her husband, joe wilkins, is in miami. he is trying to fly to haiti to bring home their new son. and then the director of "god's little angle orphanage." when you heard about the earthquake, what went through your mind? >> you know, larry, it was shock. a complete shock. we got online and looked at the maps where we were trying to figure out where it was. it looked like it was over the top where the orphanage was. we spent time in haiti and know the location well. so we were very, very concerned. and we did not hear for a while if anything was okay or not. we were trying to just, you know, ask all the people we had connections with if everybody was okay. it took a while to figure that

out. >> larry: why did you pick haiti for an adoption? >> jill and i have been through the process quite a long time. when we first decided to adopt, we kind of thought domestic, and then we thought i think our hearts are leading us internationally. and haiti was on our hearts. truly, he led us there for a reason. we think that this is really the point where we are supposed to be. that's why we are there. >> larry: he is an adorable little boy. how old is he? >> 12 months old on the 9th of january. >> larry: why don't you have him? why weren't you able after you adopted him to take him home? >> there is a long process. there are several steps to adopt a baby out of haiti. and there is just a lot of

bureaucracy there. we did receive our referral on december 30th of 2008, when he was six months old. >> larry: wow. >> it's heartbreaking that we don't have him yet. but we were on our way, and we had a time line kind of sketched out, and now that may be in question right now. >> larry: let's check in with dixie. what is the situation? when can they get their little chancelot. >> right now, all papers are lost. the papers for his adoption are buried in a building, probably. it's going to be difficult to finish that right now. we are hoping to get the children out of haiti on humanitarian reasons. so they can join their families

in the u.s. we are running out of water, fuel, food, and we need our beds also for orphans that will be coming into the orphanage. >> larry: we see him there. i imagine with the records buried, would you allow joe to come in and take him home? >> i would. we need authorization from the haitian government to do that, and authorization from the u.s. government to do that. we are waiting on that. the haitian government hopefully will start to let children go out tomorrow. we have heard that. it's not been confirmed yet. five of my children went out yesterday on a humanitarian flight to the netherlands. 100 more will be going out tomorrow if the prime minister signs the paper that we need. >> larry: when are you going

down there, joe? >> i am heading down on tuesday. i am here in miami with volunteers from gla. dixie asked us to come and put together supplies. we have flown in several tons of supplies, medical, food, diapers, you know, things that they need. we are looking forward to getting on a plane, a chartered plane on tuesday, and hopefully getting into the orphanage that day, and delivering those. >> larry: hopefully no red tape. hopefully you can bring him home. jill, are you going to wait in portland? >> i am, larry. i stayed on the home front because we have several things going on with regard to helping families and making a difference here. we have come together as adoptive parents and we are trying to hit all of our congressman and governor where we can. we have been able to come together with concise messages,

and we are making a difference when we started. we did not get a lot of attention, but i think they are hearing us now and we have had several meetings. >> larry: yeah, they are hearing you now. if there is anything that we can do, let us know. we will stay close and follow-up. >> sounds perfect. >> larry: red tape in an earthquake. what a joke. more video. the building collapses around the person you see. she did survive. look. [ screaming ]

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>> larry: may. >> larry: maria joins us here in los angeles she was in haiti last year. what took you there? >> i went to haiti with my friend, paul hagas. he is an amazing human being, and he has been working in haiti for the last 22 years. we saw the incredible pediatric hospital that he built, a hospital for disabled children, 20 street schools in the slums, orphanages, and free medical clinics. he brings the only free drinking water to the slums. >> larry: was it your first trip there? >> yes. >> larry: were you impressed? >> i have never in my life seen such dire poverty. but in the mist of the poverty, the haitian people have so much joy and resilience, and beautiful, beautiful spirits. >> larry: when you heard about the earthquake, you must have

been whacked out? >> it was devastating. i spoke to father that day in a weird coincidence -- father was in connecticut, and he never leaves haiti, because his mother was dying. and i said father, what can we do? he said get your boots and hard hats and come help me dig my people out. >> larry: and a haitian born actor known for the series in "heroes." he is now in haiti. how are you doing? >> how are you doing, larry? it's very difficult to be here. i am having a hard time actually accepting the situation. i see way too many dead bodies being burned right around where i live. maria, i just went to see father

today, and at the hospital there was a little girl who had half of a face completely gone, completely gone. she was still breathing. i could not show the footage to you guys because it was too graphic, but she is an american citizen. she is only 3 years old. there is nobody here that can help her. if she doesn't get it by tomorrow, if she doesn't get help by tomorrow, she will die. she is right now -- she is in the hospital. >> larry: can you fly her out tonight? to miami? >> if it's possible, i am pretty sure they would be more than happy to do that. but she needs help. we need help. >> what we heard from father rick today is they are desperate for medical personnel and supplies, right? they have nothing right now, is that right? >> yes.

yes. i am just telling the example of the little girl just to show the situation. they have nothing at all. if you go back to the place, you would not recognize it. everybody is sleeping everywhere outside. and the line goes all the way back to almost the embassy. it's just a disaster what just happened. >> the hospital has 120 beds. the hospital has 120 beds, and now he is seeing 750 patients. is that right? >> exactly, if not more. >> larry: let me get a break and we'll come back. we have a two-hour "larry king live" special event for you monday night, tomorrow night. you can raise money for some of the neediest people in the world. we hope you will join us. that's tomorrow night from 8:00

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>> larry: maria remains. let's check in with port-au-prince with our cnn national correspondent, gary tuckman, and being adopted, we just discussed one of the orphans. what is the latest? >> two days ago i was in an orphanage partially destroyed. 25 orphans had to live outside, sleep outside. the people that ran the orphanage, they did not know what they were going to do. all 25 orphans were in the process of being adopted by americans. all the papers had been lost in the earthquake. today after we did our story, six of those 25 orphans went to the port-au-prince airport and were flown to orlando where they arrived a short time ago to meet their mothers and fathers who they will live with for the rest of their lives. what we are being told by the u.s. air force, the state department and u.n. and military and cnn helped lead to everything being picked up for

the six orphans. >> larry: thanks, gary. great work. joining us now in orlando, florida, christine webb, a reporter with news 13. christine was in haiti on a personal trip delivering supplies to the poor. where were you when the quake hit? >> i was in the compound when it hit. we were inside the eating area when just the earth kind of just started to shake. the roof -- i looked up and the roof was moving. and just quickly grabbed the girl that i was with. we ran out and the force just shook us hundreds of feet to the ground. i actually saw the earth split in two. >> larry: you were with what group? >> i was with new missions

group. they have been serving haiti for 27 years. they actually have -- they are based in haiti but they have an office here in orlando, florida. >> larry: did you have trouble getting out? >> yes, we had a lot of trouble getting out. but thanks to a huge collaborative effort from many churches, parents, politicians, and we were able to make it out okay with a very dramatic rescue. >> larry: were any of your party injured? >> luckily, larry, no. is that a true blessing in all of this. because just hours before we were actually inside a school -- a school that i had actually gotten to take a tour of the area, and just hours before all of us had been at this school delivering shoe boxes on all of these little children, and hours later that school was no more. so we could have all been in there. all the children could have been

in there. so we were really lucky. >> larry: last thing you expect in a tropical island nation is an earthquake, right? >> last thing that we ever expected. i think the last time haiti had an earthquake was 200 years ago. we never ever thought anything was going to happen like this. when it was actually happening, none of us really knew what was going on. it was like a wave. you actually saw like the earth kind of move like a wave. it was nothing i ever experienced. we were all in shock. very scared. >> larry: thanks christine. christine webb, reporter central florida's news 13. so many stories in a tragedy like this. we will be right back with maria bello. don't go away. at the hartford, we help businesses of all kinds... feel confident doing what they do best.

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challenges. the people behind me in the facility, they were pulled out, but half the people here, they have wounds that have become gang greenious. and once you have that, you could have a systemic infection that can kill you. things are difficult. in the last 24 hours or so about five people died here. >> larry: elizabeth cohen, i don't know how you do it. elizabeth cohen on the scene. now, we are on a relief mission in haiti, students from florida. when the earthquake struck, representing speaking for them, paul t. j. tiska, and vicky, both students in the front row. along with them is lynn gingle, and lynn's daughter's brittany

are among those missing. paul, what were you doing in haiti? >> we were on a mission trip with a group of students and two professors with an organization called food for the poor. we went there monday and were supposed to be there until friday. we went there to help paint houses and work at orphanages. >> larry: where were you, vicky, when the earthquake hit? >> all of us were outside on the hotel on the third floor patios. >> larry: all of you got outside except for four girls, right? >> four girls and two professors, yeah. >> larry: they are still missing, right? >> yes. >> larry: lynn, when did you last talk to your daughter,

brittany? >> my wife spoke to her at 4:00, an hour before the earthquake hit. that was five days ago, larry. larry, i am pleading to you as a father to help us. we have four young ladies who are 20 years old, if that. brittany was going to be 20 on thursday. and we need your help. we need snake cameras there. we need concrete gas-cutting saws. we need a military presence. these parents sitting behind me and the brave young kids, you have no idea, it takes every ounce of our being to sit here. we need help! these are great kids. these are kids that did not go on vacation. they went to help the poor. they went on a journey of help. i am begging you as a father to help us, and you can. you have the power on cnn,

larry. please, help us. >> larry: i am doing all i can, paul. a lot of people were watching us. where were they last seen, paul? >> a majority of them were on the second floor in the hotel rooms, and brittany was the one on the third floor in her room. >> larry: did the hotel collapse? >> yes. >> larry: it did? >> yes, it did. >> larry: did people go in and try to find people? >> oh, yes. our first night we were all there for almost 24 hours. we watched -- there were several u.n. folks from ecuador and chile went in to try and get people out. the first day they were there we saw five people get out alive. >> larry: we have four students and two faculty members. where specifically is the hotel?

paul? >> it's on the top -- it's on the top of the mountain. there was -- when we were out on the paid yoe, the ones here now, we were looking over the rest of haiti. everybody down below said when they heard it, they looked up, and you know, they said it looked like 9/11, and there was just smoke. >> larry: what is the name of the hotel? >> hotel montana. >> larry: yeah, i heard about that. the hotel montana. it was mentioned the other night. >> we need your help! >> larry: we pin pointed our people there, and we have reporters on the ground and we will do everything that we can to find the girls, the professors and brittany. we will do the best we can. >> thank you. the u.s. military doesn't leave one man left behind, larry. they cannot leave our daughters. they have to go get them. please larry, please! >> larry: i understand

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>> larry: two more journal igss to check in with. is it true the minister said the quake was haiti's punishment for its since? >> yeah, that's true, larry. it sounds shocking probably to you and me. but this whole idea of god's judgment and punishment is

ingrained in haiti's religious culture. over the past few days after the earthquake, you would see people walking up and down the street talking about the end coming, the apocalypse. it's a majority catholic nation, and probably a million prodstants. >> larry: did the paw richurch agree with the minister? >> well, some said it was god stomping his foot and shaking the ground. i asked people about that, and they said they didn't think that, it was a natural disaster. but some believe it was a punishment for haiti's sins. >> larry: i guess the 3-year-old

had a lot of since. unbelievable. and i did not think they were going to call you in. what did you see when you arrived? >> reporter: a long distance, is full, we guessed about 20,000 people. i mean, it goes a long way this way and pretty far back. it's pretty close to where the presidential palace is. and you've seen those pictures where the palace really collapsed in on itself. we got a chance to go up to this tower that aristide built in 2004 to get kind of a better view of how the whole thing looks, the scope of it. it's pretty amazing. when you walk through here, you know, people are calm. i mean, it's -- you don't hear shouting. you don't hear a lot of screaming. but they're also very, very frustrated. and while they say, as chris just reported, i'm waiting to see what god has in store for me and i'm just going to wait, i'm going to wait, they are frustrated but they aren't getting food. they say no one has really set up consistent food delivery. some people haven't eaten since, you know, wednesday. and there are water trucks but again, sort of whenever they come. so there's a little bit of -- or a lot of disorganization.

and that has people getting pretty frustrated. people sort of getting angry under the surface as we walked through. but there was some water today. so we saw people taking showers and cleaning up and kids running around for the most part. the tone seems pretty calm, pretty relaxed, but people are very worried and very frustrated. they have no place to go. their homes are gone. >> larry: what, if anything, surprised you? >> you know, i was expecting that people would be much more angry after, you know, five full days after the earthquake struck. this is the point in a disaster where people get mad, they get furious. they start turning on reporters who are covering them. and i didn't see that or sense that at all. you really got a sense that people wanted their message to get out, that they were just going to -- i said what are you going to do? they said i'm going to sit and i'm going to wait. and that surprised me, the calm and in some ways some people have said to me it's because haiti's history has been so devastating and so bad for so many people that maybe there's a

lel of lack of expectation that much will get better soon. >> larry: i understand. we'll check with you again. thanks. soledad o'brien, one of the best, i think, on the scene in port-au-prince. and maria bello returns when we come back. don't go away.

>> larry: some more moments with the actress maria bello, board member of artists for peace and justice. what do they do? >> we're an organization that raises money, funds for father rick fachette who's a doctor and a catholic priest who's been in haiti for 20 years. >> larry: he's a doctor and a priest? >> a doctor and a priest. he said the haitian people need a doctor more than they need a priest. >> larry: he was in connecticut when it happened? >> he was. his mother was dying in connecticut. he raced back to help his people. he slept three hours in the last four days -- >> larry: and he's there now? >> he's been doing surgeries through the night. his hospital st. damian's usually they have 120 people. they're seeing 700 people a day. they're doing amputations and surgeries through the night. so many burn victims, so many young children. it's a pediatric hospital, but they're seeing everyone. >> larry: you told me they're doing it without anesthesia? >> i've heard that they are running out of medicine, anesthesia. they are doing the best with the little that they have.

they're only ten miles from the airport. and i'm begging everybody here, i know there's a lot of desperate stories, but anyone who is close to st. damian's, ten miles from the airport, please get medical personnel and medical supplies, food and water, to the hospital. >> larry: are you going to go there? >> we're planning on going as soon as we can get there. our friend jimmy jean louis you saw he's there. the great things about us, artists for peace and justice, 100% of our money. we have no overhead. goes directly to father and his programs. literally, someone put funds in his hands to go buy medicine today. >> larry: remarkable guy. >> he's incredible. >> larry: if you want more information on maria's organization, it's all one word. artistsforpeaceandjustice.com. artistsforpeaceandjustice.com. maria bello, the actress, planning to return to haiti sometime soon. i hope you get out -- i know you want to get there to see him. >> yeah, i sure do. >> larry: thanks, maria. >> thank you for having me.

>> larry: some of the images you've been seeing the past few nights on our show are from our own brad parks and david thayall, two of our go-to guys on "larry king live." they're not reporters, but they do everything else. they've been in haiti since thursday. we couldn't do any of this without them. brad's written a terrific firsthand account of what he's seeing all around him. it's very compelling. and you can read it at bradshaitiblog@cnn.com/larryking . he'll be updating it during the coming days. david's with us now. david thayall, what are your observations? what are you seeing there? >> larry, the thing that puts this all into perspective for me is the night. when night falls here in port-au-prince. and i'm not talking about the night that falls in the park across the way, although that's a sight that -- it's difficult to put into words, the noise that you hear coming from the park. and you see mothers laying their babies down and so much commotion happening in this park across the way.

rather for me it's the night that happens in some of the darkened streets of port-au-prince, some of the hills that surround our hotel. i've had the opportunity to go out at night. and you travel with a haitian driver and with security. but you'll find whole families, buildings, and some places, cases, larry, a whole neighborhood who will be sleeping outside on the street. and i'm talking 30, 40, 50 people sometimes. and they will take a tire. they'll take some of the rubble. and they will just do this perimeter around their sleeping bed where they're sleeping at in the street. and you roll through, and these vehicles, rather close to people, and there's just this imaginary boundary between them. and you see mothers laying their children to rest for the night. that's what affects me the most. it's that time in between ending the day, doing what they have to do to find food, to find shelter, and being exposed in the night until the sun comes up

the next day. >> larry: we have less than a minute, david. but you joined us after spending years in the service of your country in the pentagon. you were in the pentagon on 9/11, when the plane crashed into it, as i remember. can you compare anything you see here to that? >> seeing the rubble, frankly, seeing some of the cement rubble that's around here reminded me of that day and the dust that you smelled. certainly here it's just to a greater extent. and it was easier to get in the pentagon. i mean, the area was smaller. here you look at whole buildings that have fallen, and you wonder will they ever find anybody in this building? when they come, they're going to have to make the decision pretty soon to clean up this rubble. if there isn't -- if they haven't found a body that's alive in there, you can only imagine that that body is going to wind up in a frontload mover and just dumped somewhere. and you hope that they'll be able to find those remains and bring some peace to some family. >> larry: thks