>> anderson, i think that's true of all mental health conditions. we have a very strange and primitive way of looking the at it, look they're personal issues to be dealt with through being strong or gritting it out or moving through it. the fact is these things have treatment, they're he diagnostic conditions and people need to reach out for help and the outcomes can be significantly improved. >> thank you. appreciate it. that's it for "360." thanks for watching. "larry king live" starts now. see you tomorrow night. >> larry: tonight, breaking news panic in the the streets in earthquake-ravaged chile, looting and fear and citizens arming themselves for safety. is the worst yet to come? a seaworld trainer is laid to

rest, but the controversy over killer whales in captivity lives on. predators or performers? whose to blame. julia mancuso and skater johnny weir are here with behind the scenes scoop the on the games next on lay"larry king live." as you just saw -- good evening, by the way. as you saw there's growing desperation in parts of chile tonight following that massive 8.8 magnitude earthquake on saturday. we'll get right to the latest with cnn's soledad o'brien in the city of concepcion, about 70 miles from the epicenter. what's the latest on the death toll and the destruction? >> reporter: well, the death toll is over 700, and in concepcion they're focused on this building over my shoulder which is where they're focused on doing search and rescue.

they pulled the body of an elderly woman out today and identified the body of a young man still inside. they haven't brought his body out yet. you can see behind me, i'm going to try and explain it, larry. this is the underside of the building. it was an apartment building like this, and it toppled over. this edge here right through there, going down is the parking garage. looking up at the bottom of the first floor, massive bowing of this building. many people inside. they have about 48 people missing, and they're going to continue searching starting at first light tomorrow. >> larry: soledad o'brien on the scene in concepcion, chile. we switch to the second topic. the seaworld trainer killed by a he killer whale last week was laid to rest today. let's go live to chicago for the latest on her fun rerafuneral, meet jason knowles. dawn brancheau died last wednesday.

what can you tell us about the service, jason? >> i was at the service and got there early in the mortgage because i do the morning live shots, and we were there all morning long. it started at 11:00 a.m. there were hundreds of people there, family and friends were all there at the service. the family really wanted this to be a very private moment, so the family did not speak. we were able to talk to a he lot of family friends walking into the service, and i know that you had mentioned earlier that there is this issue whether whales should be kept in captivity or be in these shows. surprisingly, you know, a lot of the people there were saying that they believed that these whale shows should go on, this is what dawn brancheau would have wanted and it reflects, too, on the pamphlet -- the program here, the funeral program. you can see for dawn brancheau it says a beautiful life came to an end, she died as she lived. everyone's friend. so everybody that at least i talked to at the funeral today was really passionate about that issue, larry. >> larry: jason, you're with

wsl-tv. why chicago? >> reporter: well, prbra branchs from northwest indiana, which is in our viewing area. her family has a lot of times to southwest chicago. her father who we were told had passed had labor ties and her brother is a big labor leader in the city's southwest side. that's where the funeral was, and she's from northwest indiana. i went to her high school in northwest indiana, a catholic high school where they basically rolled out the red carpet. even though she's 40 years old and graduated about 22 years ago, surprisingly dozens of people knew her at the high school. we talked to a lot of teachers who remembered here. this is a woman who they say shined. she sparkled. she had quite hea personality a i looked through a lot of the yearbooks and saw all of the pictures. she was homecoming queen, president of the student council. she did everything.

>> larry: thanks, jason knowles reporter from wsl-tv. there is world there will be a memorial service for dawn in orlando at a later date. joins us now is j.d. ordonez, friend and protege of dawn brancheau. he got to know her a decade after when he started as a photographer. he has worked as a dolphin and whale trainer at seaworld and one of my old familiar haunts, the miami sea aquarium. how do you best remember dawn, j.d.? >> inspirational, to say the least. i started working at seaworld in orlando when i was 15 years old, and she watched me graduate from high school, graduate from college, and become a whale and dolphin trainer at seaworld and both also the miami sea aquarium. >> larry: her sister said that being an animal trainer was her dream job. why did she love it so much? >> well, i can tell you from my

perspective and also, you know, she felt the same way, was i think it's amazing to be able to have that bond with these animals and to be able to, you know, take care of these animals in that relationship as well and to be able to be inspirational and to share -- to share that with kids. >> larry: now, you've worked with beluga whales and dolphins. do you ever worry about the risk? >> no, i have not. i've never once have been placed in an unsafe situation. you know, i've worked and have been an employee at several morning light parks across the country, and we are trained and safety protocols are followed to ensure the safety of all train hers and our animals entrusted in our care. >> larry: there may be some aspiring animal trainers looking in, feel a little shattered as they should by this. what would you say to someone thinking about doing this for a living? >> ever since i was 5 years old,

i wanted to be an animal trainer at seaworld. it was trainers like dawn and other trainers at seaworld as well that gave me inspiration to become an animal trainer. i just have to say even though she's not with us today, if she was here -- i got to know dawn not just within the park but outside of the park. if she was with us right now, i could say that, you know, she would want her legacy to be remembered, not the tragedy of what happened. >> larry: thanks, j.d. well said. we'll try to get an update from chile sometime this hour. it's not easy to make connections in an air like that that devastated. should whales be captured and forced to perform. we'll debate. among our guests the man who trained generations of flippers, next. hunt's flash steams their tomatoes and that keeps in that backyard garden fresh taste. guys, dishes. isn't it time to take a fresh look at your tomatoes?

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>> larry: we have made a connection back to concepcion in chile, so we'll go back for a brief moment or so with soledad o'brien, our cnn anchor and special correspondent. soledad, what can you tell us about the looting and the lawlessness going on? >> reporter: now there's a curfew, so everybody is in except for this group here. the looting was really bad today. there was a big fire next to a supermarket. it was a clothing store. we're told by several sources that looters have been taking not only food and water, et cetera, but also clothes. they looted a store where they

make keys, they looted a kodak store. anything they can kick in and take they've been taking. that set that clothing store on fire when there was nothing left to steal inside. it caused a massive, massive fire. really -- keep in mind that a lot of the firefighters are here doing the rescue work. they work as search and rescue teams, and they can't be in both places. it was interesting to see the resources pulled across the city. the looters are very aggressive. i said why are you taking this? because it's there, we can, it's available. we're angry. nobody is here helping us. a whole myriad of reasons. no one seems that desperate 48-plus hours after that earthquake. it seems more of an anger about a lack of resources here and a lack of feeling like people are focused on what's happening here. >> larry: thanks, soledad. where there's trouble, there's soledad o'brien. we'll check back with you in the nights ahead as well. soledad o'brien, great reporter. let's meet our panel to discuss the tragedy that happened at seaworld.

in west palm beach, jack hanna. he's the host of "jack hanna's into the world." he has a long-standing relationship with seaworld and busch gardens. he's on the board r conservation fund. jane v vilez mitchell joins us. in orlando, florida is thad lasanek. he's the former head trainer at seaworld orlando. at seaworld orlando. in miami, rick obarry, he trained one of the first captive orcas ever. he trained the dolphins who played flipper. they were many of them. since then he has changed his stance on keeping marine mammals in captivity. his story is featured in the oscar-nominated documentary, a brilliant film, "the cove." let's start with rick and get into this. what made you change from a supporter of the idea of seaworlds and aquariums to an opponent?

>> well, i got tired of telling that lie about education and research. the fact is the show i was doing was nothing more than a spectacle of dominance, and, in fact, a form of bad education. that had a lot to do with it. >> jack hanna, who often talks about this. how do you respond to rick? >> real quickly, larry, can i just read -- i received a letter today from the member of the family. one sentence. can i take 12 seconds to read this, the last sentence? >> larry: yes. >> jack, i know you knew dawn and what an amazing person she was, we need to smile, light up the room, educate the world and learn from mistakes and grow to make this world a beautiful place and keep all the amazing creatures in it. that said, larry, you know, i guess rick is speaking on behalf of what he believes. your friend bab bob barker and

other people that said on behalf of peta and the 2 million members of peta we'd like to see them released in the wild. i'm here on behalf of 180 million people that went to our zoos and aquariums last year that came there for education to learn more about the animal world and how to save it. >> larry: rick says the education part is a farce, for want of a better word. >> it's not a farce, larry. we grow and grow each year. we're going to continue to grow. it's educational, obviously, larry. people like rick and myself and other people, we go in the wild and see these animals, but 99.9% of the people in the world today cannot see a killer whale. 80% were born at seaworld and not from the wild. dolphins as well. rick is one of the few people with the marine mammal protection act that had to pay a $60,000 fine to try to release two dolphins into the wild. one of two people ever fined by this institution. >> larry: before we bring in jane and thad, you want to respond, rick? >> well, yeah. jack hanna, what can i say.

he's a p.r. hack for zoos and dolphin abusement parks. what do you expect him to say. >> i'm very proud of it, too. >> larry: you call them abusement parks, rick? you think they're abused? >> i think it's abusive to have a sonic creature, free-ranging sonic creature in a swimming pool, yes, that is abusive. >> larry: we have two other panelists. let me take a break and come back. we'll bring them in. don't go away. the one time of year red lobster creates so many irresistible ways to treat yourself to lobster. like our new wood-grilled lobster and shrimp with parmesan scampi... our succulent lobster lover's dream, with both sweet maine and buttery rock lobster tails... and eleven more choices, each served with a salad and our freshly-baked cheddar bay biscuits. come celebrate lobsterfest. right now at red lobster.

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>> larry: let's add our two other panelists to the discussion. jane, what do you make of rick and jack going at it it? >> i'm on rick's side. when you see animal exploitation, follow the money. larry, this is big business. the blackstone group traded on the new york stock exchange recently bought seaworld for $2.7 billion. this is about money. this animal in question, tilikum, the killer whale, was born in the waters off iceland, born free, and it was kidnapped, abducted in the early 1980s and for more than a quarter of a century it has spent its life going round and round in circles in a tank. the human equivalent is sticking a human being in a bathtub. if you were in a bathtub for 25 years, don't you think you'd get a little irritated, aggravated and maybe a little psychotic.

this animal was speaking with its fin saying get me out of this damn tank. >> larry: thad, how do you respond? >> first of all, i'd like to send my condolences of the family of dawn brancheau, because that's what this is about today. she had her funeral today, and i would like to extend my condolences to her husband, who deeply misses her right now. now i'd like to respond to what everybody has said here. the accusations are ridiculous. i think we need to speak in facts here. both jane and rick have their facts messed up. it is not the way they are saying. >> it's not a for-profit corporation? >> larry: jane, don't interrupt. let him speak. >> larry: go ahead, thad. >> jane, you are a newscaster. you have no knowledge of what you are talking about with dolphins, whales or anything. you have not trained any animals.

rick has trained very few animals back in the 1960s. since that time mainly because he couldn't get a job doing anything else, once he left -- actually, once he was fired from his jobs and those are the facts, then he turned against the ocean aquariums. i cannot help that he trained dolphins using dominance theory. that is not the case anymore. nobody trains dolphins that way in the entire industry. it is all done with positive reinforcement and done in a very positive way, and dawn brancheau was one of those people that carried it on very beautifully. >> larry: rick, you may respond. >> well, i've never been fired from any job ever. i walked away from that industry. i could have stayed with that industry. today when i walk out of this room, i could go to the caribbean somewhere and set up my own dolphin abusement park

and make $4, $5 million a he year. but i would have to be a professional liar to do that. i'm not willing to do that. the fact is dolphins are trained and chromed controlled by their food. they are controlled by their food, and he calls this positive reward. the dolphin calls it food deprivation. it's a word game they play at seaworld. >> larry: we haven't interviewed a dolphin, so we're not going to know that. jack, you have a long-standing relationship with seaworld and busch garden and make appearances on behalf of them. in your position you maybe shape our financial interests, although i know of your feelings for animals. do you want to respond to what rick just said? go ahead, jack. >> if i could, larry. i was talking about whales and dolphins before i did a show at seaworld. way before. you can document it on your show, larry. >> larry: i know. >> let's go back to something that has a record. that wouldn't be jane or rick. they are maybe good at what they do. i don't know. records speak for themselves. tens of millions much people

have gone to seaworld. seaworld has released more whales, dolphins, sea turtles, manatees in the wild than any conservation company in the world. they've spent more money on research than any conservation company in the world. we go with records. records speak for themselves, what these folks have done. 80% of killer whales are born at seaworld. these are ambassadors to the cousins in the wild. we have to teach people about our animal world in the wild. if we don't, we don't have time left to save the beautiful creatures. education is the number one way to do it. seaworld is the best. >> larry: in fairness because a million people go doesn't mean they're doing it right. it means the people are enjoying what they see, right? one doesn't mean the other. >> well, larry not necessarily. last year 92% of the people surveyed leaving seaworld they say it was the most phenomenal educational thing they've ever seen. not just entertainment. educational thing to watch this killer whale, this educational

thing there. how do you love it unless you see it. seaworld provides us with that. >> larry: jane. >> larry, can i read from the seaworld website? this seasonal show is a rock 'n roll concert of unprecedented proportions combining improvizational movement of whales remixed with some of the rock stars in the industry. that is not education. these animals are meant to be in the wild. do you know that whales can travel 100 miles a day in the wild? they travel in pods or packs of up to 60 whales and are very family oriented. the whales often spend their entire lives with their mothers in the sea. they have an intricate communication system and are incredibly social. all of that is interrudisrupted they're put in one of these tanks. >> larry: i'll let thad respond. i have to get a break again. hold it. we'll be right back with thad's response. don't go away.

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for food. killer whales in the puget sound area hang around where the salmon population is high during certain times of the year and they don't move because that's where the food source is. animals move and travel different distances because of the food supply, and that is the only reason, and for breeding purposes. that's all. i'd like to address this just from the standpoint of facts. i have 35 years experience training killer whales. i've done it all my life since i was 20 years old. i have worked more killer whales and trained more killer whales and dolphins than anybody in the world. i have trained more trainers in how to train animals than anybody in the world. when i was at seaworld i had 400 trainers under my staff. we teach using positive reinforcement. we do not use food deprivation at all. nobody used that anymore. that was what was going on back in the days when rick was training back in the '60s before i started. that all changed in the '70s. there is none of that.

i can't help it if he utilized the wrong methods, but he's still talking about things that he does not know anything about. he's not trained a dolphin in 30 years. >> larry: rick, isn't that a fair point? if you haven't done it in a long time, how do you know what they're doing now? >> i have done it and do it all the time. i have rescued and untrained dolphins in guatemala, nicaragua, colombia, brazil and haiti. larry, on the 4th 24th of december a seaworld killer whale killed its 29-year-old trainer, alex martinez. did you hear about that? that was 60 days ago. these things are more common. >> larry: why didn't we hear about that? we didn't hear about that. why? >> seaworld showed up the next day. i'm talking to trainers now at the park who tell me seaworld showed up and had the body cremated on december 25th, the very next day. we haven't heard about it.

what we're going to hear about that, and we're going to start hearing about many trainers at seaworld that have been very seriously injured, filed a lawsuit, were paid millions of dollars, and signed the papers saying i'm not going to talk about this. my heart goes out to dawn's family. >> larry: it seem obvious, jack -- go ahead and finish, rick. >> my heart goes out to dawn, too. she didn't have to die. that was not an accident. that was a calculated risk that seaworld took. if we went out and captured a wild tiger and put it in our private property and this tiger already killed two people, you would think the third time we would be arrested for criminal negligence. we're calling for an investigation into seaworld because this has been covered up for too long. >> larry: we thank jane vilez

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>> larry: now joined by tippy. you'll all remember "the birds." she will receive a lifetime achievement from the humane society later this month for dedicating more than 40 years of her life to the protection of animals. we'll give her a chance to sound off on this, but we're going to jack hanna because i want to give equal time to everybody, and it's his turn going around. jack, the statement that -- wouldn't it be obvious that whales would have a better time being free than being captured? >> not necessarily, larry. thad said it very well. 100 years ago man would go 100 miles looking for food. before i say it, larry, one statement he made about investigating seaworld, i hope they do. here's the thing. when men go up to space and astronauts are killed, that's because they wanted to discover space and find out more about what they can provide for the human world. why do you think our good friend steve irwin gave his life? for the animal world and what we can teach people about it. dawn would say the same thing.

if something happened to me, i would hope people would say that's what jack loved to do, because that's what we're here for. this is a job. it's not something dawn was forced to do or steve or myself. we're here because we love it and know what the results will be, larry. the results will be millions of people educated about the animal world. i know dip tippy very well, and i admire tippy. she's done an incredible job. i hope she agrees somewhat with what the zoo logical world does. >> larry: you have said what that whale did last week was retaliation. is that the word you used? >> absolutely. i really mean that, too. first of all, i would like to just make a statement. there is absolutely nothing that we can give a wild animal in captivity that they need, not one thing. that goes whether it's the lions and tigers we're saving out at the preserve or a whale or any wild animal.

>> larry: they're still animals, so what's wrong with learning from them? >> you can learn from them without having to keep them in this. >> larry: how many people get to go around and world and see whales moving? >> he made a statement that you can't love something unless you see it. what about all of the dinosaurs kids love? they have never seen a dinosaur. >> they're extinct. >> you don't have to. of course they're extinct. absolutely, they are. how many kids just absolutely love the dinosaur? >> larry: you think seaworld shouldn't be? >> i don't think seaworld shouldn't be. the circus shouldn't be, if they have wild animals in it. absolutely. it's all wrong. i mean, it's abuse that we're all able to look at. we see it all the time. >> larry: what's the defense of that, thad? >> well, i think, number one, the defense is that tippy, you are an excellent actress, but i think you need to stick with

your craft. you don't know anything about training killer whales or training dolphin or what we do at seaworld. if you ever went to seaworld, you would be amazed what we are learning about these animals. we now know how to take care of these animals. even if they were to go extinct tomorrow in the wild, seaworld could provide that that would not happen. these places are necessary. we are learning about these animals. we now can use artificial insemination because of places like seaworld, and dawn brancheau herself was one of the trainers that made that successful. she is one of the trainers that helped us make that milestone at seaworld the last few years. to say that these animals -- we cannot learn anything from them is like sticking your head in the sand. we're not going to do that. seaworld is not going to do that. seaworld is not going to release this killer whale and never should.

it would condemn him to a horrible death just like kako. kako was released and died of starvation and pneumonia one year later after he lost a couple of thousand pounds. those are the facts. some more facts right here. >> larry: the arguments seem strong on both sides. we'll get right back to rick in a moment, tippy, but they seem strong on both sides. i listen to both sides and find myself nodding. he seems right and you seem right. >> you know, i take an objection with my being an actress and not knowing anything about the animals. since 1970 i have been working with the lions and tigers that are born in the united states to be sold as pets. i formed the preserve through the foundation that i founded. i've had one on one dealings with these animals, and after so

many of us were hurt, i finally said, why are we doing this? and why aren't there laws in the united states that stop this insanity of having these animals being -- >> larry: we're talking about seaworld. >> i know we are. it's basically all the same thing. the whales are in a place where if you were to -- they were given birth in an ocean for a reason. they need that amount of water. >> larry: we have a note by the way, rick made allegations about seaworld. we have not been able to confirm them as our cnn check crew was not able to confirm them. we'll continue our debate right after these quick messages. absolutely! where's the music? ♪ i have a lot of stuffiness at night. allergies. i was just diagnosed with a deviated septum. here's how it works... [ female announcer ] nasal congestion limits air flow but breathe right's patented reflex action gently lifts open nasal passages to help you get more air. oh, yeah. yeah, you're right. i'm getting more air.

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killer whales can answer that question. people with emotions that try to put human emotions to these animals say they're pining for the wild. these animals are worried about and all they worry about is if their needs are being met, and their needs are being met at these facilities. one way you can tell that is because they breed and they propagate in captivity. seaworld has had over 20 killer whales born at the seaworld parks and successfully. that is one of the ways in which you can tell that everything is fine with the animals. they have a social group there. tilikum has a social group with other animals. for these people to say because they're emotional about it and idealistic about it, they want to believe these whales or dolphins sit around thinking about being in the ocean, i can guarantee you that's not what is taking place. >> rick, do you feel guilt over what you've done previously? >> wait a minute, larry. i'm sorry.

a man lost his life here, and these two guys representing seaworld are being very quiet about that. you may not have been able to get your staff to confirm what i said, but that's a serious thing. now, if alex martinez was killed by a seaworld killer whale on december 24th just a few months ago, certainly they would know about it. if they don't know about that, what else don't they know? >> larry: jack, do you know about it? >> why don't you ask them. >> larry: i'm asking them. >> yes, i heard that. i don't know the facts of it. you're correct, rick. so what do we do, rick? >> you don't know the facts of that? you don't know the facts about that? >> what did i just say to you, rick? >> that's astonishing. >> is it really? >> a 29-year-old -- >> again, larry. >> larry: thad, do you know? >> do you know about john who was almost crushed to death by

one of the orcas at seaworld? >> i know about john silic. >> tell us about the -- december 24th -- >> i'm trying to speak right now. >> larry: one at a time. thad, do you know the story? >> well, if i'm allowed to speak. if he's going to butt in, i'm not going to say anything. >> larry: go ahead, thad. >> i know about john and know what happened in the canary islands. there was a young man killed in the canary islands by a killer whale, and it was during a show. that's all i know. i have not worked for seaworld for two years. i do not know the particulars of it and how it happened. but yes, i do know about that. >> larry, what is the problem -- >> larry: the risks and everything. jack, go ahead. >> you said it, larry. what about the astronauts and certain things in life. i don't understand what you're saying, rick. it's called a killer whale. this is a dangerous animal. killer whale, rick. you should know that.

>> it's really simple. my 5-year-old daughter gets it. habitat dictates behavior. habitat -- >> larry: tippy haventd been heard in a minute he and a half. let's get tippy in. >> these animals who they say are so happy, you know, it's like the animals in the circuses where they're beaten into doing the stupid tricks that they have to do. >> you cannot compare the circuses with seaworld. >> i will compare it, because it is the same thing. these animals are taken out of their -- wait a minute. i let you talk. you let me talk. >> larry: quickly, tippy. >> these animals -- you talk about that they get enough food. they don't get enough food. they eat by the schools of fish out in the wild. they swim for hundreds of miles every day. this is not any kind of a -- >> larry: i'm sorry. we have to do more on this. how about a show about those fish? what chance do they have?

i just thought of it. >> i want to make one more statement. the show is going back on the air, and tilikum will be in the show, i thought, you know what? this is kind of like during the crusades when the christians were, you know, thrown to the lions. i mean, this is -- everybody is -- >> larry: thank you. >> this is for the birds, larry. this is for the birdie. >> larry: okay. thank you all very much. the olympians are here and they're answering your questions. send them to facebook.com/larryki facebook.com/larrykinglive or tweet us at kingsthings. they're next.

>> larry: we're back. we'll meet two great american athletes in a moment. let's check in with anderson

cooper, who has returned from the war, so to speak. he'll host "ac 360" at the top of the hour. what's up tonight. >> we'll get the latest from chile, a disaster that could have been a catastrophe. our reporters are on the ground. we'll have several reports and tell you what went right there to prevent chile from becoming another haiti. we'll have more on the killer whale death you were talking about, larry. a government report said a whale trainer would die and it was a matter of time. that never made it into the final verse of the report. the question is why? we're keeping them honest. one senator put 2,000 out of work today and kept hundreds of thousands from receiving unemployment benefits. he didn't want to answer questions today. about what was behind that move. we have the raw politics ahead. those stories and a lot more on "ac 360." >> larry: that's andzson cooper. he's back at 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. julia mancuso is most decorated ail pine skiers, winning two silver medals in and super combined and won gold in torino. johnny weir finished 6th overall in figure skating in vancouver.

he's a three-time u.s. national champion and showcased in the sundance channel documentary series "be good johnny weir." julia, you have two silvers and brought them with you. >> i brought them here. >> larry: is silver a defeat for you after you win a gold in torino, or what is it to you? >> silver is good. you definitely want to win going to the olympics. after having that gold and knowing what it feels like to be on top of the podium, when you're in the olympics just participating is like winning the gold. to be able to come out with a medal is an amazing feeling. >> larry: johnny, you didn't medal, so what was the feeling like for you? >> i did my absolute best performances i could, and i'm a figure skater so it's different than racing down a course. i thing i'm happy about is the way i was able to perform at the olympic games. >> larry: you had an alleged rift with the medal-winning

teammate lindsey vonn. what was that about? >> we do things differently, and it turned into this things that we're enemies because we don't march to the same beat of a drum. we kind of get along off the hill, and never get in each other's way. it's just unfortunate that she crashed in front of me in the giant slalom and i had to go up again. i think that kind of jump started everything. >> did they start you too fast after na? >> they changed the intervals because the weather, so they wanted to get the first run over with as fast as possible. >> larry: did you get a raw deal? >> it was a raw deal. i felt like johnny. it's like unfair, being in a judged sport and not getting the scores. i'm a fair shot. it's tough. i feel for you. >> larry: johnny, you think judges are wrong? >> of course, i think everyone is wrong when you're not the one standing on that podium. you want to blame everyone. but, i mean, i am a he very overexposed person i suppose in

some ways, and for figure skating it's a very staid port and very difficult to please everyone politically. so i think it's natural. i mean, i got into figure skating for the art of it as well as the sport and how much i love it. you know, i do everything that i want, i march to my own drummer, and sometimes people have an issue with that and i can't control it. >> larry: it is subjective, isn't it, judging? >> absolutely. >> larry: when we come back, we have a sneak peek of the upcoming episode of "be good johnny weir." don't go away. anncr vo: ...collect accident information. anncr vo: or just watch some fun videos. anncvo: it's so easy, a caveman can do it. caveman: unbelievable... caveman: where's my coat? it was suede with the fringe. vo: download the glovebox app free at geico.com.

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>> larry: i'm mold holding one of the two silver medals that julia won. her mother has the gold at her house. we have a sneak peek at "be good johnny weir." here's johnny talking about the vancouver olympics and how he's sometimes judged. watch. >> with the short program i proved to myself i'm still a he great skater, but now i want to medal and there are 11 other skaters that would like to see my fail. the skating community is very fickle, and with me they're especially approximate fickle for whatever reason. maybe i bring it on myself. if you don't prove yourself and skate consistently, they can

easily write you off and bring somebody from behind you and put them in your place. >> larry: julia, you're in a dangerous sport. been hurt a lot? >> i've been lucky enough to not crash too bad out there. ever broke a leg, torn hip, and a couple of years ago i was dealing with a compressed disk. >> larry: what age did you start skiing? >> when i was 3. >> larry: did you naturally take to it? >> yeah. my parents and grandparents are skiers. they'd drop us off at the hill and i'd head out there and chase my sister around. >> larry: lots of questions tweeted to kingsthings. people want to know what's next for both of you. first i'm ask johnny. they've been pushing for you to be picked at a competitor on the new season of dancing with the stars. a new cast is scheduled to be

announced tonight. >> i have not heard anything. i will not be part of dancing with the stars this season. >> larry: would you do it if asked? >> i would love to do that. i think it would be amazing to learn to dance, because despite the usual idea of a figure skate her, i have no rhythm when it comes to even walking off the ice. i fall off curbs all the time. >> that's hard to believe. >> larry: maybe they'll do it on skates one day. we have a question from our facebook page. what kind of opportunities do you get after you receive a medal? julia. >> well, yeah, it's -- i mean, just coming on larry king. that's a pretty big opportunity. >> larry: what about money-making opportunities? >> well, i guess all eyes are on you in the olympics, so definitely there's a lot more sponsors and people interested in what i'm doing. so it's a good -- you're on the world stage, so to be able to perform and show america definitely brings more

opportunities. >> larry: as a professional ski tour, right? >> we have a world cup ski tour, but that's going on all the time. 38 races in every year that we don't even compete in the olympics. >> larry: another question from facebook. johnny, the question is, how does it feel to be so fierce? >> larry, i never heard -- i never thought i'd hear you call something fierce. >> larry: i didn't. the facebook did. >> still, you said fierce. kathy griffin would be very excited for you right now. i suppose being fierce is a very good thing and a very cool thing, but more than fierce, i think ooii'm a strong person an individual, and that's what i take with me every day. >> larry: were the olympics fun, julia? >> they were a lot of fun. it was so nice to be so close to home, and i had all my family there cheering me on. that was the best part about it, to look up in the crowd and see everyone. >> larry: you live at lake

tahoe, right? >> yeah. short drive away. >> larry: were you in the closing ceremonies? >> no. i went home to see my family, and i actually had a welcome home party. that was fun. >> larry: johnny, were you in the closing ceremonies? >> i was not. i had to come home and get some work done, and i was excited to get home and sleep in my own bed. i did everything that i went to the olympics to achieve, and walking in the closing ceremonies, it was better to sit on my couch in any underwear and watch it. >> larry: our guest last week we learned evan liycasek will be o dancing with the stars. do you think he'll do good? >> i hope so. he has a lot of rhythm and he's definitely determined to be the best at everything he does. so i hope he excels with dancing with the stars. >> larry: julia, where do you ski next? >> next to