>> thanks to both of you for being with us and we'll be watching that on sunday night. our host brooke anderson will be live on the red carpet. live coverage continues at 11:00 p.m. eastern on hln. that's all for now. thanks for joining us. "larry king live" starts right now. tonight humans sharing their lives and homes with wild animals. dangerous, unpredictable creatures who can turn violent without warning. maiming, crippling, even killing those who care for them. >> who is killing your friend? >> they adore their snakes, lizards, big cats and chimps.

fatal animal attractions revealed. but first, jaycee dugard seen and heard on tape for the first time publicly after 18 years of captivity in her alleged abductor's backyard. we'll show you how she looks and sounds. we have reactions from ed smart and a woman who was abused by the man charged with kidnapping jaycee. next on "larry king live." >> thanks for joining us, i'm jeff probst sitting in for larry king. jaycee dugard kidnapped 18 years ago. she has a message for the millions of people who followed her dramatic story. haul but i'm , she says. getting there. there are recently shot home

videos exclusively acquired by abc. the networks aired earlier excerpts of this on "good morning america." jaycee talked to the camera. she has a horse and is doing some baking. >> that's jaycee in the left, her mother on the right, in the middle her half-sister. jaycee speaks to the public. >> hi, i'm jaycee. >> we want to talk about these new images of jaycee, what they may reveal about how she's adjusting and about her mother's plea for privacy for her family. joining us from las vegas, a brave woman named katie calloway hall. her abductor was sentenced to 15 years. joining us from salt lake city, ed smart. his daughter, elizabeth, was taken from her bedroom in june

2002 at age 14. she was found nine months later. the man accused of her kidnapping and rape was recently ruled competent to stand trial. katie, having gone through something like this yourself, what do you make of seeing these home videos from jaycee? >> i think that jaycee looks remarkably well. i think they are making excellent progress in this process of healing, and that's only going to happen with time. it is a process. and it's going to take time. and that's what they're asking for. they're just asking for time to be left alone and to get on with their healing. >> ed, you went through something very similar in dealing with the media. watching this home video that the family released themselves, what's your take on it? >> you know, i think that jaycee is doing great. i'm so happy for her, and i couldn't agree more with her mother. keeping her out of the public's eye and being able to basically

re-engage with life, i think she looks like she's doing great. you know, elizabeth loved horses and had a wonderful time with them, so i think that jaycee looks like she's doing very, very well. >> you know, ed, in this video, they're clearly showing normal activities, normal family activities, embracing, laughing, having fun, baking cookies. does this ring true to you in terms of what went on with your family when you guys were reunited? >> absolutely. i remember that night very clearly when elizabeth came home, and i've said before how she said, i want to go back, and i'm going to be there in the morning when she wanted to go sleep in her bed rather than sleep in her room. and it's amazing how resilient people are, and i'm just so happy for jaycee and for her family. i just think, you know, what a wonderful reunion, what a

wonderful way to be able to move forward with your life. you know, being with people that absolutely love you and care about you. >> katie, it's tough to get inside anyone's head and you're not a psychologist, but do you think there's a chance that any part of this message is also a little bit of defiance to say to the public and to the man who is accused of doing this, you know what? in spite of everything i'm going through, i'm doing all right, and i want you to know that, that i'm doing okay. >> i think it is, and i think it's jaycee's way of letting him know. he wants to use the lawyers to communicate and maybe she's just going to use the media in other own little way. i think she has tremendous strength of character, and i think we should attribute that to the way her mother terry raised her for the first 11 years. i think that's probably the only way she survived this whole ordeal. my ordeal was just a blip on the radar compared to what elizabeth went through and jaycee, but it

did affect me my whole life. i just think jaycee is doing really well now. >> you know, it's worth noting that in only six months, being home only six months, jaycee has already gotten her driver's license, she has birth certificates for her two daughters which she bore while in captivity, she's working on finishing her high school g.e.d. in spite of all the good, is there any down side, ed, to this kind of releasing of a video that they're doing, and releasing photos to people and things like that? >> i think there really is, and i think they have done a wonderful job in helping her. to me, what this says is, you know, my life has had this horrible event. i know this is howey l elizabet felt, but my life is not going to be dominated and defined by it. i just think that what they're doing is exactly what should be

done. i just applaud the family. >> katie and ed, thank you both for joining us. thank you for your insight and sharing your thoughts with us. we will talk to you again soon, i'm sure. all right. we are now changing subjects in a big way. we're going to talk about people who love their exotic pets maybe a little too much. fatal animal attractions. that is next on "larry king live." s just in town for a few days, and i was wondering if i could say hi to the doctor. is he in? he's in copenhagen. oh, well, that's nice. but you can still see him! you just said he was in... copenhagen. come on! that's pretty far. doc, look who's in town. ellen! copenhagen? cool, right? vacation. but still seeing patients. oh. [ whispering ] workaholic. i heard that. she said it. i... [ female announcer ] the new office. see it. live it. share it. on the human network. cisco.

it's estimated there are more tigers in the united states than there are left in the wild. what dangerous mix of obsession, desire and delusion causes these people to live with animals that have the potential to kill? >> welcome back to "larry king live." i'm jeff probst sitting in for larry tonight.

exotic pet ownership isn't as rare as you might think. we're going to take a look at how and why people acquire these unbelievable creatures. is it good for the animal? is it safe for the owner? all this in anticipation of animal planet's fatal attraction series which premiers sunday, march 14. joining us to talk about it is ju julie burrowes. she was the owner of a black leopard until she was brutally attacked by the cat. josephine artell is an animal expert of global animal sankt wares. let's start with taking a look at what happened to julie on what started out as an ordinary february afternoon. >> it was february 9 of 2004. i did everything i've always done normally. i fed him earlier that morning.

later on that day, i went to spend time with him, and as soon as i closed the gate behind me, he leaped up, and that's when it all started. >> all right. julie, before we get to what happened on that day, take us back to the beginning. why a leopard? where was the idea that this would be a good pet to own? >> well, it's not a good idea, but it's something i've always wanted since i was a girl, a small girl. and it took me forever to learn that i can acquire one of these animals. >> how do you acquire one? >> actually, i found him in an exotic magazine that has breeders of different exotic animals. >> what did it cost? >> he was $1800. >> seems cheap. >> pretty cheap for that kind of cat. >> so how does the cat arrive? you call up somebody and order it? >> no, actually, i had to go pick him up.

i had to drive a few hours to go get him. >> at any point were you worried -- you're picking up a wildcat, a wild animal. did you put it in the back of your car? >> he was a cub when i bought him. he was like 9.5 weeks old. i let him ride in the car. >> and this attack that happened was severe and brutal. he attacked the back of your head, right? >> yes. >> what happened on that day? >> just a normal routine. i went into his cage and went to spend time with him. usually i test his mood to see what kind of vibes he was throwing off and to see if i could actually spend time with him. i knew the difference that if he didn't want to be bothered, i wouldn't bother him. but he licked my hand so i went in, and as soon as i did, he leaped up and i immediately protected my arm. >> while you're telling this story, i have some photos we're going to throw up here. i want to warn you they're graphic photos, so prepare yourself. you can take a look at these

photos, julie, and tell us what was happening. that is the back of your head. >> yeah. he actually -- when he jumped up, his tooth caught on my ear on the way down from his leap, and he went back again. it was like he was roughhousing me. his body language just didn't seem like he was trying to kill me. he wanted to rough-house. >> david, how much stronger are leopards than humans? >> they're going to take something five times their own weight up a tree. a thousand-pound animal is something that can kill. they're designed to kill, so you can't really match human strength. even the biggest human is not going to match-up. sdplz no comparison. >> not even close. >> josephine, you're listening in on this. what do you make of this, because i think a lot of people watching would say this is probably not the normal behavior that somebody wants to own a leopard. i'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, julie. what's your take?

>> well, surprisingly, it's estimated there are about 20,000 big cats kept in captivity across the united states and these are private ownership, they're not at accredited zoos, not in animal sanctuaries. they're literally in people's back yards. >> david, is what happened to julieinevitable? is that what happens when they can't be predators? >> i meet a lot of these types of people, and the thought of, it's not going to happen to me. i think most people who take on these big predators, they know that they'll kill, but they think, it won't be me. i'll raise him from a baby. i'll love it so much it could never do that to me. >> we're going to get into the psychology of this a little later in the show. up next, chimpanzees may look cute but they can maim and even kill. our next guest has two of them. as you can see for yourself in this live picture, she is not

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follow-up to the story we just did of julie and the leopard. that leopard was shot and killed on the day of the attack. that's the footnote to that. jill risotto joins us. she owns two chimpanzees. they are related to trav is. you might remember the 200-pound chimp of the sdpzoo keeper who t her hands in the attack. we see you in the cage with the chimps. why does it make sense to you to own these animals and live with them? >> well, it doesn't make sense anymore, but it did when i first got them. >> how long have you had them? >> eight years. it will be eight years april. >> eight years, and the initial idea was what? they were cute and they were

small? >> you know, it's like anything. i was in a good position financially, and i could afford to get them, and i got -- paid 50,000 for connor, and a couple years later i paid 35,000 for cramer and just went from there. >> so you have $100,000 nearly invested in these two chimps, and that enclosure had to cost a fair amount of money. how much money is it to keep them? >> i would say i spend probably $15,000 a year feeding them. my outdoor enclosure cost me 100,000, my indoor enclosure cost me probably about 50,000. >> we are looking at these chimps now live, and it is fascinating, i have to say. my interest is piqued. dave, what is the difference between you, somebody who is trained to deal with these kinds of animals, and someone like

jeanne who has a great idea and thinks it would be fun to own a couple chimps. >> i have my degree and i spent 12 years as an animal trainer. i understand the will to do it, but if you want to do something like this, you really have to do it in a professional manner and take care of the animals in a way that, you know, you can manage their whole lives, you can manage they're going to be healthily taken care of. like she says, they get very expensive. >> jeanne, you knew your chimps were related to travis. when that horrible incident went down, did it give you any second thoughts at all about keeping these chimps? >> no. and i wanted to bring you back to the gentleman that was just talking. first of all, being a trainer and taking -- having a bunch of education is a lot different than 24/7 one-on-one. my chimps are not an entertainment, i don't use them for commercials, they're not

around people and they're very well protected. all my cages are zoo-accredited standards. and basically, to be honest with you, and i can't see you over there, but i'm not going to argue with you, but you don't know because you don't have chimps. you're just going on training and beating them in the head and hitting them with things to make sure they do what they do and throw an arm around them -- >> jeanne, we're about out of time in this, but let me ask you a quick question with a quick answer. you do understand the credibility issue, right? you are a woman who got some chimps several years ago. you understand the criticism. >> no,i don't at all because everyone should be criticized. it's not because i'm a woman and because i have chimpanzees. everyone should be criticized for having a chimp or owning them. it's not just because i own them. we should all be criticized for owning chimpanzees.

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we're back talking exotic animals with chimp owner jeanne risoto. we're now joined by dr. michelle galin and contribute toor to momlogic.com. you've been listening in on this and just had an exchange between an expert and a woman who would say even though i don't have a degree, i am an expert. psychologically, what goes on with somebody who wants to own a wild animal? >> there's a few things. first, what we have to remember, jeff, is people are attached to their animals in such intense ways. people consider them family, you know. and so i think in this situation, what we have to look at is how are these animals or these choices of animals impacting our functioning level? if i were to be sitting with a client and i find out that they're dealing with major financial issues because they can't afford what they're doing,

or they're no longer seeing family, or they can't afford to feed the animal yet they keep it going like that, then we're talking these are some deep-rooted issues that need to be looked at. >> jeanne, we are going to get to you and i know we're talking about you but not talking with you yet. are there any behavioral or social commonalities? people who own pets, are they in relationships? do they tend to be loners? to me it seems a little more unusual than usual. >> i think the problem, like in the example of these chimps, is it takes so much energy and time and financial resources to actually do this appropriately that it's a very difficult thing to do without it becoming a serious problem in your life. >> jeanne, have you heard this before? have other people in your life said, you know, this doesn't seem right. you should talk to somebody about this. this is a little crazy?

>> well, actually, here's how i feel. i shouldn't own chimps, no one should own chimps. people should not own chimpanzees. however, i bought the chimps and i'm doing the best i can right now with the chimps. i would love for the chimps -- i have a great sanctuary i'd love for them to go to. if anybody can take my chimps and it's better than where they are right now, i'd take them there tomorrow. >> jeanne, are you in a little over your head, then? >> no, not at all. i just know it's time -- i have overcome the fact that the chimps need to be with other chimps and that's really hard for a chimp owner to do. and i think the lady that was just speaking -- i'm sorry, i don't remember your name because i don't see anybody here and it's kind of hard -- i understand what you're saying and she's correct. she is right. we fall in love with these creatures, and to actually say we made a mistake to get past

that hump and start doing the right thing for the chimpanzee is where you need to be, and that's where i'm at. while i'm there -- while i'm there, i try to give them the best life i can. >> i want to say something. i think it is so important, jeanne, that you have acknowledged that. and what you can do by acknowledging this and realizing that -- your love -- i can only imagine how much you love them and care for them like your babies. i can relate to that very much. but i think letting people understand that this is not okay, that this can become such a problem, you can have the best intentions, but it's really going down a road that is really dangerous. and if there is anyone, i would really, please, contact jeanne. please. >> she's looking for a sanctuary

if there is anybody out there. >> jeanne, anyone who is considering doing what you did, i think it's so important that you say that so that somebody doesn't get in the position that she's in now. it's really courageous of you to say that. sdplz thank y . >> thank you for being with us, jeanne -- yes? >> i just want to say tho other chimp owners that we really need to put them where they need to be. i love them, but they need to be with chimps. like i said, i'm not going to make them go backwards, either, and put them in a home that's less than what they have, but i'm more than happy to put them where they belong in something that's better than what i have now. is it the animal's fault or is it the owner's when something goes wrong? the brother of the woman who was

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we're discussing chimps as pets and the dangers involved. animal planet's fatal attractions premiers sunday, march 14. michael nash joins us. his twin sister was mauled by travis the chimp. still with us is jeanne rizzotto who owns two chimpanzees and a psychologist. your sister made international headlines when she was mauled by a 200-pound chimp and then she was courageous enough to go on oprah and talk about it and show the damage. what did she tell you about that day? >> she doesn't remember that day. it's totally out of her mind. she was in a coma two months, and when she came out, it took about three or four months for her brain to get normalized. >> well, michael, i'll prepare you. we're going to listen now to that horrific 911 call that was

made by travis' owner, sandra harold. take a listen. >> 911, where is your emergency? >> can the police -- the chimp killed my friend! >> who is killing your friend? >> my chimpanzee. >> your chimpanzee is killing your friend. hurry up. what is the monkey doing. >> he ripped her face off. she's dead. he ripped her apart. >> he ripped what apart, her face? >> everything. >> he ripped her apart? >> i think i'm going to faint. >> just breathe, okay? hang on until they get there. >> please hurry. >> michael, this was a mauling. she lost both her hands. she lost an eyelid, she lost her nose. she's now had her eyes removed so she can no longer see.

how is she doing today? >> she's doing real good. she's happy. she even called me up to tell me this was coming on tonight. and i told her to listen to me. >> so she seems to be doing all right. you know, your sister and saundra, the owner of the pet, they were very close friends. >> they weren't close. >> they weren't close friends. >> not close. >> they were friends enough that she was over there visiting. >> yes. she worked for her. >> okay. all right. we're getting some new information. let's listen to what saundra says now and then i'd like to ask you what the relationship of these two women is today. >> charlotte's injuries were horrific. she lost her hands. the bones in the middle of her face had been crushed. she had no nose, no lips or eyesight. while sharla was filghting for her life, saundra was asked if

chimps should still be pets. >> would i have done it again? yes. it was horrific what happened and i had to do what i had to do, but i'll miss him for the rest of my life. >> michael, reaction to hearing that she wouldn't change a thing. >> that's kind of typical of her behavior in everything she does. so it doesn't surprise me. >> doesn't surprise you. jeanne, i'm guessing you don't have the same reaction. based on what you said earlier, do you have a little fear that the longer you keep these chimps, the more possible it is that there might be an attack by them? >> you know, i don't have a fear of my own chimps, but i do have a fear of other people's chimps. so, really, the answer to that -- i really can answer sandra because there are so many victims here. i can't imagine how she felt

having to stab her own chimpanzee, this lady getting mauled like this. the only thing i did from that that i thought would help me, and i hope other chimp owners do this, right away i took it upon myself to make the environment of my own chimpanzees better. i made it safer, and i had an assessment guy come out and i took it from there because i don't want to see it again, and i don't want to see it happen from my chimps. >> on one hand, jeanne sounds like she understands it's not a good idea, and on the other, she says, but my chimps are okay. >> i think that's part of what happens with animal owners of the dangerous pets is that there's this belief that they're unique and that they're special and that they can handle it or that their relationship with that animal somehow transcends the animal's true nature. and it's just a false belief. >> doctor, thank you for being with us. one man's pet lizard killed

him and then ate him. it's true. that fatal attraction is next on "larry king live."

further investigation began to uncover evidence that huff had been bitten just days before his death. in the past, he had been strong enough to fight off infections, but by the time he realized the symptoms were overtaking him, it could have been too late. the first bite might have been bad luck on huff's part. but now he was defenseless. ron huff's death was gruesome. but to those who understood him, it seems to have come about because he was more concerned for the welfare of his pets than himself. >> and with that, we welcome you back to "larry king live." i'm jeff probst sitting in for larry tonight. an animal welfare expert. psychologist michelle golland is also here.

and winston features on animal planet march 14. we just heard about mr. huff eaten by monitor lizards. does that make sense, to have a houseful of monitor lizards as pets? does that make sense in this situation? >> it may not make sense to me or you, but it made sense to ron. they have a different passion for the animal. >> is there a different person that wants a reptile rather than a chimp. you're not going to do much with a monitor lizard other than observe them, i imagine. >> yeah, there's a difference. i say we because i'm one of these people in terms of the passion for the animals. we tend to be intrinsic with the value of the animals, their behaviors. there are so many different species of amphibians and

reptiles you can keep in your home. you can't keep an elephant if your backyard, but if you're interested in reptiles, you can keep virtually any of them in your home. >> the infection, the bites. how deadly is that? >> any predator can cause serious infection from a bite, whether it's a reptile or a big cat, certainly. >> josephine, in your work, is this common for someone who has a reptile to have several? >> we often see it with big cats. people often have 10 to 20 tigers. >> is there a chance, winston, that handled differently, if those had been caged or in a separate area, does that make it safe or is it always, with all these wild animals, a risk? >> i think any time you bring any wild animal into your home, even some domestic animals there

is a certain amount of risk, with some wild animals that risk is greatly elevated. i think in ron's case, it had a lot to do with his particular personality, and a lot of people who keep lots of wild animals are the same. >> dr. golland, unfortunately, ron is not with us. this was a fatal attack. is something like this clinically diagnosed? is this a mental illness? >> it can become a mental illness, and i totally respect there is a level of passion for these sorts, whether it's reptiles or chimps or any of that. but when it starts to become all-consuming and someone is physically putting themselves in harm, you know, by making their environment only for the lizards, losing sight of self, again, it seems that he was keeping the apartment a certain degree and all of those sorts of things, and they were running around there. there was an element of hoarding

and obsessive-compulsive disorder that seems to have possibly been at play here. >> thanks for your insight in this continually fascinating story. up next, the story of a woman and her poisonous snake. why would anybody have one or more is something we're going to be talking about as dr. golland just said, animal hoarding, after the break. ♪ [ woman ] nine iron, it's almost tee-time. time to face the pollen that used to make me sneeze, my eyes water. but with new zyrtec® liquid gels, i get allergy relief at liquid speed. that's the fast, powerful relief of zyrtec®, now in a liquid gel. zyrtec® is the fastest 24-hour allergy medicine. it works on my worst symptoms so i'm ready by the time we get to the first hole.

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. coming up at the top of the hour on 360 is the president about to flip-flop on his vow to try terrorist suspects in civilian court. it's starting to look like it and the left wing is not happy. a change of heart for the president and what it means. also tonight, new details about the man who showed up at the pentagon yesterday bent on killing. his obsession with conspiracy theories and his history with mental illness. we'll take a look at his motivation and what may have driven him. all that and my conversation with kelly ripa about who she thinks will take home an oscar.

while he rushed into the emergency room, alexandra hall still had the presence of mind to tell her doctors what happened. the hospital treated her with the generic snake anti-venom and did what they could. alexandra hall was able to tell doctors how she was bitten, but after that she lost consciousness. within two days, she was dead from a brain hemorrhage. welcome back to "larry king live." we are joined now with a friend which we will get to in a moment, but winston, before we introduce this guy which is getting closer to me by the second. in fact, he's coming to say hello right now, you were involved in this story we just saw, and basically what happened was she was bitten by a snake, went to the hospital, got a general anti-venom. they dinh hadn't have the speci anti-venom. this is amazing and i can't say

i completely -- larry will be glad he wasn't here when we're finished with this show. but when you went to the house, a snakethere. >> no, alexandria had a collection of 30 animals. half of those were venn noumous snakes. in cincinnati, within the same year alexandria was killed and builten by her venomous snake there were two other bites that occurred in the city. one of the guys died. the other guy survived. this is a python. it's albino. not normal coloration. >> this is the most common when people decide they want a big snake. >> these are quite common in the pet trade. just a point of interest, most of the animals you've talked about today are born in captivity. there's a huge industry in the u.s. and rarely are these animals being brought in from the wild. >> is it like the wild, wild

west out there, that you can go on the internet -- i went on this afternoon and found there are many exotics et pets i could have in few days. >> up of these burmese pythons a female can produce 50 offspring in a year. if the animal is reproducing for five or six years, that one snake can produce a lot of babies. >> josephine, we're talking about the idea of hording, like this woman who had so many animals in her home. what do you know object hoarding? how do you classify it? what makes somebody a hoarder? >> animal hoarder is considered a disorder. the failure to provide minimal standards of care for these animals as well as the doctor mentioned, a lack of insight to the failure and as well as a denial of the continuatisequenc the behavior. in terms of chimps and cats and

dangerous reptiles this failure is more pronounced because animals require specialized care and diet and containment as well as they pose a huge safety threat to the community. and to the owners, themselves. >> doctor, how do you wrap all of this up? can you capture all of this, all the different animals we've had, the different types of people who own them? >> right. i think what it so important to understand we have passion about our animal, and it's actually relate td very much to childhoo which your first guest talked about, the black cat she loved. what we have to keep in mind it cannot impair our functioning. if it is damaging our social world, relationships, our financial situation then it's time to take a serious look at ourselves and our decisions about pets. >> winston, one last quick question, quick answer. i'm unnerved with this snake here. clearly i don't want to own one.

what is it that's so fascinating to own a deadly snake? >> i don't know. i could ask that of the people who owned the chimps. i don't understand that. i love these animals, and any time i have an opportunity just to sit down and talk to somebody about them for a couple hours, they're never the same. just fascinating. >> you could sway me to take home this burmese python? >> i don't want you to take it home but can definitely sway you to see the value in it. >> all right. well, our next guest, take a look at this, another gorgeous animal for sure. this lynx isn't just a bigger and better version of the cat. we're going to walk on the wildside. "larry king live" returns right after this.

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dave is animal plant's large predator expert and he is here with a large predator, a lynx. who is this? >> this is boomer. >> when you're here, he's totally comfortable. you're okay. just stroke him on the back. stay away from the head. it's a dominance type of thing. all things probably some of these pet owners should know if you're going to have an animal. >> before this show started i don't think i would have been near as concerned about petting him and now i am. are there things you can do with you here that make this safe? >> absolutely. i mean, the fact that there are people who have no training at all that take these pets. they don't make good pets, shouldn't be pets. there are people who know how to take care of wild animals.

accredited zoos and people who have spent years of their lives studying how canimals can be bet taken care of. >> if i took this animal home -- >> you'd probably die. the fact of the matter is like the chimp lady, those animals are getting old enough they're going to turn on her eventually. a predator is a predator. their instincts will kick in. this guy is docile, he's been trained and he's been raised properly around poeople. he has instincts that say, i want to kill something. if you're the only thing around him eventually he's going to try. >> is there ever a time, a person who is not trained, even though they may think they are qualified, to have a pet like this? >> the obvious answer is never. these are not pets. you cannot tame a wild animal. you can train them, handle them but not handle them.

>> you can train them, meaning they're always wild. >> this is a wild animal. take the chimps, put them in diapers, give this guy a bottle but it's a wild animals. those instincts are far stronger than all your loves and all your hugs for all the years. they're eventually going to try something on you. >> how old is this cat. >> this guy is an adult. i think he's around 6 years. >> will he get much bigger ? >> this is his size. this is a siberian lynx. i met him recently and came in surprised how big he is. i think you're brave to come by and pat him. >> i'm feeling a little brave right now. every time he turns his head and looks back at me i'm not really comfortable with it. >> i can see his whiskers are back, his years are forward, he's not staring at you. i know i'm going to hang on to this leash. i'm staying by the head and i've told you to only pet back here. those are safety recautions i know over 12 years of

experience. >> going back to what we wiere talking about earlier with jeanne, jeannie was honest in saying, i know it's not a good idea, however i must say i'm okay with my chimps. >> that's the thing. everyone has their relationship. everyone thinks they're not going to be the one. they know other people are going to get attacked. we all know people die in car accidents but go driving thinking we won't be the one. unfortunately with wild animals you'll always be the one if you don't know what you're doing. >> are we in trouble in terms of laws and regulations? >> definitely we need to look at the people that are doing it right. they need to sit down together and try and come up with laws that prevent people from making these pets. get rid of black markets, guys who have got these animals in their backyard giving bad press for these animals. putting animals in situations where not only they kill people, they get killed, themselves. the animals are