>> yes, we are. as a matter of fact, i'm one of them. >> reporter: in all, local officials estimate more than 20,000 jobs have rippled out from the hyundai deal. building up south alabama one job, one car, one minute at a time. tom foreman, cnn, montgomery. that does it for "360" thanks for watching. "larry king" starts now. to knight, v tonight, violent sex offenders put in jail, and then released only to get out and offend or kill again. we look at john gardner, accused of the murder of chelsea king. also suspected in the killing of young amber dubois. what about one-time dating game

contestant rodney alcala. now he faces execution for raping and butchering a schoolgirl and four other women. victims and their families are joining us all next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. you have all heard the story of 17-year-old honor student chelsea king. went for a jog in a san diego area park, never came home. a 30-year-old registered sex offender named john gardner has been charged with her murder. chelsea king's parents, brent and kelly king are returning to this program, joining us tonight. we'll speak to them in a moment. but first, the man who allegedly killed their daughter has also been charged with the attack of a female jogger. just weeks earlier, that jogger, candace moncayo is with us tonight. i should mention because the case against john gardner is

ongoing, candace cannot discuss specifics of the attack regarding him. so we can't jeopardize that investigation. of course, she can say whatever she wishes. where were you when you were attacked? >> i was at lake hodges. i was going for a run. and i was just about to finish it. >> larry: what time of day? >> in the morning, about 10:30. >> larry: do you live in the san diego area? >> i don't. my family does, and i was home for christmas break. >> larry: you're a student at colorado, right? >> yes, i go to the university of colorado. >> larry: you're going to be a teacher, right? >> yes, hopefully. >> larry: so what happened, dear? it's morning. it's lugt out. >> it was morning, it was light out. it was a beautiful day. i was passing people the entire time. and i was coming up to the end of the trail and was in sight of the houses. and i noticed a man who was walking towards me. and i noticed him because he was not dressed in workout clothes. but he was so close to the houses that i just assumed that

he, you know, was a resident going for a walk because the day was so beautiful. and he waited until we were next to each other and then tackled me and threw me to the side of the trail. and he -- nobody around? >> larry: nobody around? >> nobody around, no. but the trail had been so populated that in my mind, i just kept thinking that i only needed to be -- i only needed to fight for a little while because the trail was so populace. >> larry: a bright day and a populated trail, he is taking a risk, right? >> he was, he was. >> larry: did you scream? >> like crazy, at the top of my lungs. he actually told me to shut up when i was screaming, and i told him no. >> larry: did he have a weapon? >> he didn't. >> larry: so by force of strength? >> yes, yes. he is -- the man who attack me is a very large man. very large. >> larry: did he fully rape me. >> no, he didn't. he didn't rape me at all. >> larry: what did he do? >> no.

he threw me down onto the ground, and he pinned me to the ground, and like i said, i was screaming. and he said shut up, and i said no. and he told me to shut up again, and i said no. and then i said well you're going to have to kill me first because i thought he was trying to rape me. and he said that can be arranged. and there was this small moment of silence, and then there was intervening conversation that i'm not comfortable discussing. and at one point he picked me up by my shoulders and he started shaking me the way you're not supposed to shake a child. and i managed to get one hand on the ground, my left hand. and i took my right elbow and i bashed him in the nose. and he grabbed his face and turned away from me and yelled some things. and i got up and i ran faster than i think i've ever run in my life. >> larry: did you come up on someone?

>> no, i had to run to a house. >> larry: and there was someone home at the house? >> there was. they were very kind. >> where did the person who attacked you go? >> he -- i looked back over my shoulder once. he had left the trail and was kind of heading over a small hill that was to the left of the trail from the position that i was taking. >> larry: in your mind, was he going to rape you? >> at the time, that was my first thought. >> larry: did you report it right away? >> absolutely. i called the police from the people's house that i knocked on the door at. >> larry: and then when you saw what happened to chelsea king, you had to immediately react to that, right? >> you know, i actually didn't see it. i'm kind of embarrassed. it was on television, but i don't have cable. i know. so i found out through my family that something had happened. and to be honest, my first response was one of great fear and great anxiety.

and at the same time, great hope that they were not connected. >> larry: why do you think you weren't raped? >> i think i wasn't raped for a couple of reasons. one, because i fought back. two, because i come from a background that has prepared me in some ways for that kind of a situation. >> larry: how so? >> three, the grace of god. >> larry: background how? >> my father is actually a five-time world champion kick boxer. so i've been in martial arts for most of my life. while i can't claim that any kind of training was responsible for it. >> larry: you got that thing in the nose. >> i did get him in the nose. but more than that, i think there's an awareness that comes with those kinds of things. >> larry: the conversation you won't reveal, we're not going to ask you to go near it, i imagine was crude? >> yes. not -- yeah, i suppose that would be a good way to put it. >> larry: were the authorities

very cooperative? >> they were wonderful. i didn't meet a single police officer who was anything less than kind and helpful and took everything very seriously. >> larry: what mark has this left on you? >> a deep one. it's something i think i'll be dealing with for the rest of my life. just the other week i was running and i had to pass a gentleman on the trails. and he was going for a hike. he had to stop and let me pass, so i had to come close to him. i burst into tears and i think ruined his run. i'm ashamed about that. >> larry: i'm amazed you go out running. >> i went out the next day. >> larry: the next day? >> with my sister's boyfriend's pit bull. but the next day. i felt if i didn't get back on the horse right away that i never would. >> larry: if you have kick boxing training, and you're out with a pit bull, i wouldn't go near you. chelsea king's parents will weigh in on what we just heard when we come back. [ female announcer ] treat yourself to something special for lunch.

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he is working with the king parents to enact legal reforms to protect children from violent sexual predators. brent, what did you think of the story you just heard from candace? >> by the grace of god, i'm so glad that she was able to fight him off and survive. it's very painful to listen to, though. >> larry: what was it like for you, kelly? >> yeah, i have to agree with my husband. to hear, you know, what a victim has to go through when they attacked like this, it's extremely difficult, and even, you know, it's just multiplied a thousand times when it's your own daughter that has been through it as well. >> larry: was your daughter taken in broad daylight too? >> yes. >> yeah. >> larry: it's amazing that they can get away with it like this. candace, you will testify in a case against the accused? >> yes. >> larry: well, the parents --

you won't have to testify at his trial, right, because you're not a witness, right, brett? >> that's right. >> larry: but i would imagine you'll be there? >> i'll be there every day, larry. >> larry: all right. assemblyman fletcher, you're working to enact legal reforms to protect children from violent sexual predators. protect them how? >> one of the responsibilities of government is public safety. it's clear in this case that the system failed. you had a known sex offender who a psychological report says he will reoffend. he is a danger to society. he is callous. he violated his parole seven times, and yet he was still let out. i think it's imperative that we do everything possible to change this. this is every parent's worst nightmare. thing is an obligation to make sure that the first priority is public safety.

in so many instances, these violent predators that prey on children, i don't believe you can rehabilitate them. so we have to have a real conversation about the length of time they serve. >> larry: do you have a specific concept in mind? do you want them to go to jail for life? what do you want to do? >> so what we're doing, we're working with brent and kelly and with crime victims groups and law enforcement experts to do a full review of all the laws on the books and figure out what are the sentencing guidelines that need to be, how do we do gps monitoring, how do we take all the laws on the books, megan's laws, jessica's law and others and really enact real reforms. because we owe to it the memory of chelsea king and others to make sure we do everything possible so that no family has to go through what the king family is going through right now. >> larry: very well said. candace, do you have some thoughts on what to do about predators? >> you know, i don't, because i don't feel i know enough about the system at this point to really offer any kind of an informed opinion. >> larry: do you wonder how they get out? >> i do wonder how they get out,

knowing what i've heard about this case, i wonder about it quite a bit. but i would definitely agree that there needs to be some changes that are made. >> larry: brent, do you have any specific thoughts as to what to do about sexual predators? >> you know, right now we're just trying to educate ourselves. we're doing exactly what chelsea would ask us to do, and that's to learn as much as we possibly can before we position it. and when we position it, it's going to be very strong and very powerful, and we're going to need everybody to help us. >> larry: kelly, do you have any thoughts? >> we're in a position that every parent would never expect they would be in. we have an incredibly steep learning curve to go through. you know, we're in the process now of not only trying to grieve and start the healing process, but to become very educated very quickly so that we can get these

changes rolling. >> larry: well, all three, will be back along with senator boxer in a while. candace, thank you so much for coming. it wasn't easy. we appreciate it. a parents' heartbreak. we're joined by the parents of 14-year-old amber dubois whose body was found earlier this month after she went missing more than a year ago. that's when we come back. [ female announcer ] introducing carefree® ultra protection™ liners. it feels like a liner, but protects like a pad. because it absorbs 10 times more. there's nothing quite like it.

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carrie mcgonigle. her daughter, 14-year-old amber dubois went missing on the way to school february last year. amber's remains were found earlier this month in northern san diego county. police say that john gardner, the same man charged with killing chelsea king is a focus in amber's death investigation. also joining us robin sax, the former l.a. sex crimes prosecutor who has been working with carrie and is co-founder of "justice interrupted." carrie was on this show on march 3rd. at that time you were still holding out hope. just a few days later -- how did you get the news? that. >> called me and asked me to come in about 7:00 p.m. on a saturday night. >> did you know then what it was? >> i had a feeling, yeah. and marissa and i went down

there and walked into a room full of strangers, and they told us they had found amber that friday. >> larry: even though it was year was it kind of -- what was the reaction? >> denial at first, you know. i really didn't say much. i just sat there and listened and just wanted to get out of that room. >> larry: how are you holding up now? >> it's a huge weight lifted off my shoulders now that i -- closure. >> yeah, closure. not all the way, but some closure. >> larry: robin, you told me you met with the district attorney today on this case? >> i did, i did. carrie and i and rebecca went. >> larry: mo and rebecca? >> mo is amber's dad and rebecca is mo's girlfriend. and we joined the huge amount of law enforcement that was there to just kind of get the status of the case. and there really isn't an update at this point. >> larry: obviously none of you are witnesses to it. >> none of us are witnesses. we would have expected by now and hoped by now that there would have been some definitive answer whether or not john gardner is responsible for the

death of amber. >> larry: for this murder. and the authorities do not know? >> they haven't given us any indication at all. there has been no indication. not only that, even when amber died, how she died, how long, if she suffered, all of the questions that are making it so difficult. >> larry: why aren't they telling? >> they're claiming at that point that it's part of the investigative process. and while i totally appreciate and want and so does the family want a perfectly solid investigation to maximize prosecution, there are rights that the victims have in terms of status of the case. >> larry: what do they tell you? you have your rights, but you're eventually going learn them? >> pretty much. we went in there. it was more like an introduction to the people. that's all we got. >> larry: so you were a prosecutor. you to understand that. why can't they tell her, though? how would it hamper the investigation to tell her how her daughter died? >> i don't think it would at this point. i understand there is concern about media leaks or information that there would only -- only the kill worry know in terms of investigation. but there is an amount of dignity and closure that you have to balance. and without even being direct about the evidence, it would be

nice to say, you know, we've excluded x number of people, or we are only looking at two people. >> larry: they haven't said anything about the suspect or anything? >> nothing. >> larry: is this pretty much standard? >> no, actually. not only it is not standard from my experience, but i actually got off the phone with marc klaas today and said have you ever seen a situation in your experience where abducted family members have not known anything about the status of the case or the investigation whatsoever? and frankly, it's even really different in terms of how the san diego d.a.'s office and the police handled chelsea king's abduction and murder. >> larry: do you know how they found amber? >> no. we have the reward out there. and you know if it's someone that deserves the reward -- you >> larry: so you don't know how they got a lead or anything? >> said in time you'll find out. >> larry: where was she found? >> she was found outside the pala indian reservation on a very remote area. >> larry: was that far away from where she was taken? >> 25 miles. >> larry: carrie, thank you. when we know more, we'll have you back. robin, you'll be with us later.

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we the jury in the above entitled action determine that the penalty to be imposed upon defendant rodney james alcala to be death. [ applause ] >> larry: one-time "dating game" contestant rodney alcala is facing execution for raping and murdering a schoolgirl and four other women. he previously served time for the sexual assaults of an 8-year-old girl and a teenager. joining us to talk about his recent conviction is tali shapiro. she was kidnapped, brutally beaten and assaulted by alcala in 1968. she was just 8. also here is robert samsoe. his 12-year-old sister robin was kidnapped and murdered by alcala in 1979. alcala was just convicted for her murder and four others. i know, robert, twice before he had convictions overturned, right? >> yes, we did. >> larry: were you beginning to give up hope? >> actually, after the second one, the trial came -- or the first one, the trial came pretty

quick. after the second one, we actually went for 20 years of the death sentence being there, and then it got overturned. >> larry: so he will face death now? >> he will die in prison, yes. >> larry: not death penalty? >> well, you know how california is soft on the death penalty. >> larry: how did your sister die? >> she was kidnapped, raped, and tortured. a violent death. he took her up to the mountains and did some very bad things. >> larry: was he caught right away? >> he was under suspicion right away. he was caught within a month of robin's disappearance. >> larry: she was 12. >> she was 12. >> larry: how long ago? >> this is 31 years now. >> larry: tali, how long ago for you? >> 42 years. >> larry: 42 years? >> uh-huh. >> larry: this guy was free all this time? >> no, no. he was out. he did not get caught immediately for what he did to me. he was out for three years on the run. >> larry: what do you remember? you were 8. >> walking to school, getting stopped. and him offering me a ride to

school. me saying i wasn't supposed to talk to strangers. and he said oh, i know your parents. we were living at the chateau marmont at the time because our house had burned down. so i wasn't going to my regular school. i was going to a different school. and i didn't have my regular school bus. >> larry: and you got in the car. >> i got in the car. i got in the car. >> larry: has it fade from memory? >> i remember that part. i remember him asking me what time school started. and because i walked to school, i was supposed to take the public bus. but because i didn't like to, i walked to school. and the moment he found out that i had an hour to spare, he said he wanted to show me a poster. and that's when i wanted to jump out of the car. >> larry: do you remember details of it? i'm not going to ask you. >> no. i remember seeing a poster -- no, because i was hit over the head immediately. >> larry: you were out.

>> yeah. he cracked my head open. >> larry: he raped you at 8 years old while you were unconscious? >> yes, yes. >> larry: did you testify against him? >> three times. >> larry: was it tough to sit in court and see him there? >> i have no feelings for the man. the first two times, yes. and now this time no, i have no feelings. >> larry: what are your feelings toward him, robert? >> i just want him to die. i'm more mad at the system that allowed him to be free. i mean, i basically feel my sister's life was worth a thousand dollars. because he was out on bail for raping a 15-year-old, and the bail was $10,000. so his mom put up a thousand dollars to get him out of jail. >> larry: do you ever say to yourself, these guys are just sick? you don't feel any sorrow for them. but there is something the matter. >> i don't feel that it's a sickness that can be cured. it's a sickness like a dog that goes out and bites people. we put it to sleep.

that's what we need to do with these people. >> larry: what are your thoughts, tali? >> yeah, he needs to be put out. he needs to be put down like a rabid dog, yes. >> larry: you would execute him? >> in a second. >> larry: did you ever face him? >> i actually faced him in this trial. i got to be the one who spoke during the -- victim's talk? >> yes. and actually got to stare him down a little bit. >> larry: what was that like? >> it's been a lot of years. the first time i seen him, i was just 14. i was intimidated back then. then the second trial i was about 19. still a little intimidated over the whole process. well, now i'm 44, and he doesn't intimidate me for nothing. >> larry: did he show any remorse? >> never once. not towards me. not towards me and the l.a. families. >> larry: what about towards you? >> he actually apologized. i honestly didn't hear him. he did speak the words, but i couldn't believe he was actually speaking to me.

>> larry: you didn't buy it? >> oh -- thank you, both. >> thank you. >> larry: all right. so what can be done? what is going to be done to protect our kids? senator barbara boxer has some thoughts, joins us after the break.

>> larry: joining us now, senator barbara boxer, democrat of california, sponsoring the violence against children act. she is with us in d.c. still with us, brent and kelly king in san diego, parents of the late chelsea king, and also california assemblyman nathan fletcher, republican of san diego. as we mentioned, he is working with chelsea's parents to enact legal reforms to protect children from violent sexual predators. senator boxer, governor schwarzenegger has ordered a review of the way the state has handled the 2000 molestation case against the accused john gardner.

and again, we must remind you, he is the accused. he was released from parole supervision although he remained a registered sex offender, and parole records say he should have been sent back to prison in 2007 and 2008 for parole violations. what is wrong with the system, senator? >> well, it's clearly broken. and i want to compliment the kings for turning their grief into action and the assemblyman for working with them. we all have to work together. this isn't about party. this is about our kids. larry, every year 200,000 children are victims of crime. 200,000 children every year. it's a national issue. that's why i wrote this bill. and what we say is if there is a crime against a child, our most vulnerable, as the assemblyman said we have to help. the national government has to help the localities. if they ask for help, we should make forensic help available. we should make investigations help available. we should do everything that we can to prosecute the crime. and i'll tell you. after hearing this story, and

this is the last point i'm make at this point, after hearing this story, i think what i'm going to do is strengthen this bill when it comes to parole. if somebody is -- had all these violations, this man had seven violations, that parole has to be tightened. there have to be more restrictions or the person has to go back to prison. so these are the things i'm working on at the national level. >> larry: senator, that might be more important than helping out in the investigation. now apparently the police do a pretty good job investigating. it's what happens after. >> well, larry, in many cases, they do. but sometimes you'll get a crime in a rural area where there is just not enough forensic help there is not enough investigatory help. what we say, if a locality asks for it, they can have it. they don't have to ask for it. but you're absolutely right. we are worried. in many of these cases where

there isn't a problem in getting the help prosecuting folks, why is it that someone like this gets out after a short time when the psychiatrist warned that this person should not get out. there was a plea bargain there. you got to have strict parole. i'm sorry. >> larry: i know you're still looking at it, brent, but what are your immediate thoughts when you learned the thoughts that this man who may have killed your daughter, he is the accused, got out when he shouldn't have gotten out? >> complete failure of the system, larry. complete and total. >> larry: do you think we can correct it, kelly? >> i do. i think it's going to take a lot of people who are going to be willing to help make changes. and be very bold about it. and don't take no for an answer until we get this thing fixed. >> larry: assemblyman fletcher, do you plan, let's say on

working with barbara boxer on things which local communities, state, and federal can work together on this? >> absolutely, larry. this is such an important issue. it's the most important thing we do. and i think we work with everyone. we work with the federal government, the state government, local governments, everybody out there. parents, anybody who wants to be a part of saying it's just not acceptable. and there is not one more family that should have to go through this. we've seen this time and time again. how many tragedies does it take to actually put in steps to do everything possible to protect our children and our families? and it has to change. >> larry: we'll be back with more right after this. scampi... our signature lobster lover's dream... and eleven more choices. right now at red lobster.

>> larry: senator, this may sound crude, but if the psychiatric community's feeling is the violent sexual predator cannot be cured, if that's a fact, why let them out? >> well, i'm very tough on this. i have to say, i'm looking at the greatest country in the world, america, and i now know, because i've looked at the stats so often, 200,000 crimes against children, violent crimes in one year. if you're 12 to 17, you're twice as likely to be a victim of a

violent crime as an adult. we're failing here. and it's the adults that have to protect the children. i'm looking at the faces of the kings. and i see in their faces the loss, the pain, the suffering, the emptiness. i'm a mom. i'm a grandma. as far as i'm concerned, throw the book at someone who is doing this against a child. and that's why i wrote the violence against children act. because i look at this as a national crisis, frankly. >> larry: where is the act standing right now? >> the act has been introduced. we have to have hearings in the judiciary committee. we have to get this done. and i'm working hard on it. you know, joe biden -- i'm sorry, i was going to say joe biden and i wrote the violence against children act. i was in the house then. he was in the senate. and i'm sorry, the violence against women act. this is based on the violence against women act. and that bill got passed, signed into law, and it has really helped us.

so we need this follow-on. >> larry: brent, do you wonder why, if they're not curable, if it is a sickness, and they're not curable, why they're let out? >> they should never be let out. if they're not curable as society, we need to understand that and not allow them to ever hurt a child again. >> larry: but kelly, you must think to yourself, there is no reason, this was not an auto accident. there is no reason my daughter should not be here. >> i think that just about every minute of every day since this has occurred. there is no reason. >> larry: assemblyman fletcher, if that's true, and it's an if maybe that they're not curable, why are they on the streets? >> you know, larry, i don't think it's an if. i think it's an absolute certainty that a sexually violent predator that goes after a child is a sick individual. and they can't be cured.

they can't be rehabilitated, and they need to be locked up for the rest of their life. and for the lower level offense, we've got to have a system that better tracks where they go. we need to have a parole system that works. this is a failure of the entire system. it's not just sentencing. it's not just parole. it's not just gps monitoring. you know, we have it in california a broken system and we have to come in and look at every aspect of it. >> larry: some aspects are really kind of weird, barbara. the california corrections and rehab said it's been keeping critical parole documents permanently, but it's been cost-prohibitive to retain them, and sometimes they destroy the records. >> i look at that as a crime in and of itself. how can we destroy these records? do you know a lot of these people go back out and do this? the actual statistics that i heard is at least 5% will go back. after they're out. it's horrible. they never should have gotten out. they go out again. we're losing records of these people?

there needs to be a national database of these people. and i've worked with adam walsh on that. we need to do better. there needs to be zero tolerance for crimes against children. we are a society that doesn't get it. and we've got to move on this. >> larry: brent and kelly, we can do nothing but offer our deepest condolences, and hope that from her death, good will come. and i want to salute senator boxer and assemblyman fletcher for the work they're doing. thank you all very much. should sex offenders be treated differently from other criminal s? we'll ask a former prosecutor returning, and a defense attorney, next. if you are shopping for a new car, we invite you to put ours to the test. put us up against anyone.

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>> larry: before we get some legal answers to all of this, let's check in with anderson cooper. he hosts "ac 360" at the top of the hour. what's up tonight? >> a final push for a health care reform bill is happening. president obama has been calling for an up or down vote, as you know. but with the numbers game working against them, the democrats are considering a last-minute maneuver that has republicans crying foul tonight. is it fair? we're keeping them honest. also, he is back. tiger woods returning to golf. but he still has big problems. you heard a lot about sex addiction. but it is for real? and what does the treatment

entail? we'll talk to one man who has twice been treated for sexual addiction. also in crime and punishment, that serial killer who was a winning bachelor on "the dating game." police have asked for help in women and girls he photographed. so far missing women may be identified among the dozen found in the storage facility belonging to a killer. those stories and a lot more, larry, on "360." >> that's at 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. chelsea king's parents are trying to recruit 100,000 facebook followers. go to facebook.com/chelsea's light. now back with us is prosecutor robin sax. joining us defense attorney mark geragos. mark has defended sex offenders. robin has prosecuted them. if they're not curable, should they get out?

>> absolutely not. not when you're talking about a serial serial sex offender pedophile abductor. i'm not talking about an unlawful sex between a 19-year-old and a 16-year-old. this is a different genre, a type of predator that needs to be in jail forever. >> larry: mark? >> i don't know that i disagree with that. i mean the biggest problem -- i've listened to part of the program tonight, and everybody talks about the system is broke. the system -- the big problem is that we're warehousing probably 100,000 more people than we need to warehouse in this state. and, you know, the prison industry is a great -- it's kind of like the military industrial complex. we've got the prison complex here in california. consequently, that's why the system is broken. everybody wants to throw people into the state prison there is probably 50,000 people that have no business being in state prison, that should be out. and they should concentrate on the people who need to be warehoused. >> larry: do you agree with that?

>> i agree that we shouldn't be warehousing and dealing with all of the drug offenders and lightweight problems. but i think the problem with the system here is a systemic problem with the actual individuals within the system. this isn't a law problem. actually, the laws in california are actually quite good. if jessica's law were actually being used effectually right now, having people being screened instead of screened upon leaving svp through a paper check, which is a huge problem that is going on right now, we wouldn't have as many criminals out there. >> that's precisely the reason they do paper checks is there is not enough people to cover all the people who should. don't need to be supervised. >> larry: you have defended them? >> i have. >> larry: are they different from other criminals? >> there is kind of grades, if you will. someone who's a is the or 20-year-old having sex with a 17-year-old. except those are people who get caught up. they're registered sex offenders. or can be. >> larry: really? >> yes, it can be. >> larry: the guy with the 8-year-old girl. >> if there's somebody with an 8-year-old or a 7-year-old, a

true pedophile, that's something that i think you're going to be very hard pressed to ever find a solution to that. >> larry: what's the answer? >> the weakness in the system is there's no accountability for people who work the system. in every other business if you're a doctor and do shoddy a procedure you're going to get sued for negligence. if you're a plumber and you put the pipe in wrong, you will get pseudofor negligence. there's no accountability. the only thing is egg on their face on television shows like this, but no personal liability. >> i can get sued by anybody for anything. you can sue a defense lawyer. you can sue the cops.

but you can't sue the prosecutor, you can't sue the judge, you can't sue the prison guard. i mean, there's -- you know, other than if it's an excessive force type of situation. there is no accountability when it comes to that. >> you can't sue the cops for negligence. you can only sue them for tort. >> larry: meaning? >> where there's some kind of a wrong. we've got way too much people warehoused in the system. we should focus on the people we want to warehouse. we throw people in for 16 months, three year, four years in state prison for the stupidest crimes in this state. somebody has a possession of crack cocaine, a couple of grams of crack cocaine, 167 months, somebody's got a second offense, petty theft, 16 months. i could go on and on. they are crime, i understand that, but the idea we're going to warehouse somebody for 16 months, two or three or four

years when we have serious offenses that need to be treated seriously is why we're in such a problem in this state. >> larry: do you agree knowing the predator in your neighborhood? >> i think that's one helpful thing. look at the dugard case and philip garrido. we all know him. we all know gardner. what about soho in ohio with 12 women in the walls. these are predators we know about and yet they're still committing crimes. that's the problem. >> larry: we'll be back with more. don't go away. hunt's flash steams their tomatoes and that keeps in that backyard garden fresh taste. guys, dishes. isn't it time to take a fresh look at your tomatoes? ♪ reward yourself at the cadillac laurel event, with an srx crossover. ♪ ♪ visit soon. because while there is no expiration date on achievement,

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>> we were talking during the break, there's no way to profile a predator, right? >> there's absolutely no way. you can't say they look a certain way, act a certain way all the time. and one thing they have in common is that they tend to be very manipulative. >> larry: are they all male? >> no, not at all. >> larry: there are female predators? >> there are female predators traditionally, it's more -- they are few and far between, but i've defended women who have been accused of this. your show has profiled people traditionally in a teacher-student situation. >> larry: that's different. >> well, we' had it with baby-sitter, we've had it with the neighbors and things like that. there really is no way that you can say somebody fits this type.

you always have this image of the creepy guy sitting on the corner or something like that. it's not that. >> larry: when a person violates a parole, why isn't an arrest immediate? >> well, again, this goes back to what mark is saying. there's just not enough of the resources but frankly, there's not the personal attention and accountability that someone who is actually sitting there managing and assigned to watching this person. >> larry: so if you're on parole, he's supposed to report every week, right? >> not necessarily every week. they have -- there's different levels of supervision depending on who you are, what you are, whether you -- >> larry: what about the predator? >> the predator, there's generally issues of gps, the global positioning system, there's people who can wear ankle bracelets. there's people who have to check in that can't live near a school or live near somebody else like that. the problem comes back to -- everyone wants to talk about more legislation. that's not the answer. we've been doing this -- she's been doing this 15 years. i've been doing this knock on

the door of 30. the solution is to stwarehousin of who we are and take the resources and focus on what you want to focus on. >> larry: is there a parental responsibility? just assisting your children never approach a stranger? >> well, what we do know is that at least 86% or 92% of sexual assaults are with someone whom the victims knows. so these cases are the -- the friends, the uncle, the teacher, someone who has the ability to actually groom and create a relationship. parents shouldn't get caught up and worried about the scare take ticks of just the abduction situations but should talk to kids about dealing with kids with dealing with people we know. >> people tend to think this is the rule. it isn't. it's more the exception.

the rule is generally people that you know. >> larry: is there any sexual predator law you would write today? >> i would utilize what we have. i wouldn't necessarily start writing anything. the only thing i would change is hold prosecutors, judges and cops and all those other country workers accountable. snooi. >> larry: any law you would write? >> i would unwrite the registration. i would make registration solely for who i think it was originally designed for, which are predators and i would not cast the net so wide that all these people who really aren't predators end up having to be registered. >> larry: so that means the authorities could focus -- >> let them focus on the people that are the most -- that are predators as opposed to somebody who's 19 banging away a 16-year-old. >> larry: but why this occurs, this lady earlier who began the show tonight. running