questions in a way that obviously will lead to a favorable out come. >> reporter: layla taghavi doesn't think he can tolerate prison much longer. >> my biggest hope is that this message reaches the right people and somebody could do something. >> reporter: leila taghavi said she spoke with her father by phone wednesday morning. he told her to have faith, that he believes people will do the right thing. jill dougherty, cnn, the state department. >> cnn newsroom continues with fredricka whitfield. >> have a great day on this lovely spring day. it's a busy saturday. flooding, snorms and last-minute vote wrangling on capitol hill. that's where we are going to begin. the president's push for health care intensifying this weekend. right now, all the action is on capitol hill, particularly in the house. it focuses on the senate bill

passed back in december. the house rules committee is meeting today to decide on the terms for both the debate and the vote. 216 votes are needed to either pass or defeat the bill and a handful of lawmakers are still undeclared. so the president is actually going to capitol hill in about three hours to give democrats a pep talk. debate is set for tomorrow and then your representatives may be voting on it tomorrow. our congressional correspondent has her running shows on. any word from the rules committee? >> reporter: we should say the rules committee is taking a break right now. there are votes on the floor, but they have been working for a few hours and they will continue to do so today, laying out the blueprint for how this expected vote tomorrow will go. this is something we don't normally pay attention to, the rules committee meetings, but it's significant on the bill. the way we expect them to structure the vote tomorrow is

something that's been very controversial between democrats and republicans. this is what the house has to pass. of they have to pass this senate bill which is what passed the senate on christmas eve. you'll remember. we were there. we were covering it. in addition this, what's new is this much smaller bill which is called the reconciliation bill. this is the bill of changes and so the rules committee is going to basically slap these together in what's called deem and pass. that means that once this bigger bill -- or pardon me, once they pass this smaller bill of changes the senate bill passes at the same time. they are all kind of together in a package and this allows house democrats who are vulnerable to avoid voting separately on this larger senate bill. it has a lot of stuff that's really unpopular and a lot of stuff that gets changed through the smaller bill. we have been covering everyone on all sides of the equation here. let's take a listen right now to

the debate that's going on. we have a republican voting against this. one of the all important undeclared democrats and a democrat who decided he's going to go ahead and vote for this. >> i want to arrive at an america some day with single payer in a not for profit system. that's not what this bill is about. but if this bill goes down there will be no opportunity to have any discussion about any kind of health care options in the immediate future in this country. >> i think congressman kucinich is a brilliant man, but i think he's had a lapse. i don't think that's a reason to vote for the bill so you can keep the conversation going. you can keep the conversation going without making this bill law. >> it might be a manager's amendment. there might be a couple more amendments. i want to make sure i'm aware of other changes they might add at the last minute. >> sounds like you're leaning yes. would you say you're leaning yes? >> i would be fair that i'm

leaning that direction. >> the all important number here is 216 votes. that is what democratic leaders need in order to pass this. we have been asking them how close are you, are you there. they're not being very clear on that. we know from leadership sources that they are over the 200 mark, but this is going to be really tough going. we expect that certainly they are not going to hit the votes they need if they need them, until tomorrow. >> thank you very much. we'll check with you throughout the day. of course a lot at stake for the white house in particular. president obama is putting his powers of persuasion to the test this afternoon. let's get to our senior white house correspondent, ed henry, who is at the white house. this is a very huge deal. we have seen the president working on the weekends, going to capitol hill before. but today it's got a different tone, doesn't it? >> reporter: that's right, fred. it's very rare. i remember the first 100 days the president went to capitol

hill. they save this rally the troops event for when they really need it. what they are trying to do is build momentum going into tomorrow's vent. the president isn't really brow-beating anyone. if you saw the rally yesterday, and then i'll told what he plans to tell the house democrats is try to put politics aside. let's try to do what he believes the right thing by passing this. as you know, for some of the chem.s on the fence -- democrats on the fence staring at re-election in november, that's easier said than done. >> so, ed, are there plans that the white house is willing to speak of after a vote if it does, indeed, happen tomorrow, what the president plans to do? >> it's still a work in progress. first of all, they could vote as early as 2:00 p.m. tomorrow. on the other hand, because of what kind of roadblocks republicans could throw up, i have talked to democrats who say this could happen as late as midnight sunday. they're waiting, just like the rest of us. i have been told by top aid that

is the president is saying privately he doesn't want a celebration or pep rally. he wants to send the signal immediately that they need to go to work in the senate if this is done. they have more steps to go. it's like the "mission accomplished" banner the bush administration put up about the war in iraq. here we are years later and the war is going on. just across in lafayette park there is an anti-war rally about iraq and afghanistan. you have to be careful about celebrating early the ends of various battles. >> being premature in the celebration could come back to haunt you. thanks, ed henry. the members of congress who are undeclared are the ones who could determine the future of your health care. let's talk about them. here's a look. right now there are 29 undeclared lawmakers. to be exact, this is all part of an interesting numbers game. it will take 38 democrats to kill the bill. right now there are 29 no votes.

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>> reporter: they're doing well. these are hearty people in minnesota and back in north dakota. they have dealt with this. they have had roughly four major floods in the past decade. this certainly has been a big one. remember, the major flood stage is right at 18 feet. we expect the flood waters to rise to 37.5 feet by late tonight into tomorrow. that just blows me away in terms of how high the water is going to be. it should not reach the record we had in 2009 going up to 40.8 feet. behind me, you can see the red river starts right here. at one point we were told by locals you look off -- not way back there, but you see the iron railway trestle and trees, that's where the water used to be the red river. it escaped its banks because the snow melted quickly. with this particular river that runs up to canada, empties into

lake winnipeg, it is obviously swollen past the banks and will slowly recede into next week but not before coming up a bit. one thing that's interesting is about a year ago when i was in this area there was water near my waist. that's not the case now. as you look at this bridge, that's main avenue -- i'm sorry, the main bridge. that one is open. a year ago they weren't permitting traffic to go across other than guys working with the usgs to monitor stream flow. certainly it's a busy time today. if you look down we have chris davis with us. you can see ice at the base of the bridge. that's a big danger when the big bits of ice come up, hit the bridges. that's something else the they are cautious about. chris, i will have you pan over here. you can see where it says 14 feet, three inches. that is actually the clearance marker for high profile vehicles

that go on a road or can travel on a road that goes under the bridge which is obviously covered with water. the railway trestle has been fairly busy. trains can go across only at 35 miles per hour. in any normal circumstance they could go faster but with the flood waters they are dropping quite a bit in terms of speed. in terms of the levees they have, they have hundreds of miles of levees up and down the river. they have people from the national guard inspecting these not only from the sky above but on foot to check the fortitude, strength of these. they're in pretty good shape but the scary thing is even if one breaks it's a game-changer. it can be. we can have serious issues. thankfully there's not been a single home flooded in moorhead or fargo. but if you have a break in a levee, it changes the whole outlook on things. back to you. >> fingers crossed for the

people in moorhead and fargo. thank you very much. >> absolutely. >> an obama doll hung by its feet in effigy by a teacher. oh, yeah, our legal guys want to discuss this one. ctually works. (announcer) only rogaine foam is shown to regrow hair in 85% of guys. i'll check it out and i'm like, nice. (announcer) rogain foam. stop losing. start gaining.

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a lot of people are talking today about what they saw on videotape.

allegedly a nanny -- a 53-year-old nanny was taking care of an 11-month-old child and got more than just rough. so much so that the family caught the nanny in action allegedly on nanny cam. we'll turn to our legal guys to find out the road ahead for all parties involved. hello, avery friedman, civil attorney and professor. good to see you on this lovely spring day. >> first day of spring, right. >> it's so great. let's talk about this that is not so great. this nanny cam allegedly catching a woman in action. wait a minute, richard, particularly in the state of florida there are restrictions in place about videotaping somebody without them knowing. so will this family be able to pursue this nanny for these alleged atrocities without her knowing she was being videotaped? >> well, there was no audio on the tape there. so it's just imageser that we t

captured. those will be used to prosecute her for battery of a child. the nanny is toast here. how can the parents who discovered their child with a black eye leave her with the same person. >> they weren't sure, right? accidents can happen. they thought, wait a minute -- >> that's right. >> toddlers, pretoddler, they fall. things happen. that's where the nanny cam steps in. >> the nanny has to defense here. there will have to be a quick plea bargain. there is no defense. can't cross examine the tape. >> i wish i was prosecuting this. the tape shows roughly 11 separate aggravated batteries on this 11-month-old. janine campbell who is 53 years old, is probablying at a minimum of 58 years which is warranted. you cannot look at this video for one or two seconds and not turn away. it is outrageous.

richard's probably right. how in the world this woman will avoid jail time is beyond me. that's where she belongs. >> it doesn't matter what state you're in. you can have a camera in your home, videotape someone's activity and if they are doing something that they shouldn't be doing, no matter what state you're in, you could probably take them to court on it, if it's an issue like this -- a crime committed? >> no. some states -- massachusetts and others -- actually require consent. generally in most states however, and in florida in particular, this is absolutely admissible. the prosecution will use it and, frankly, without it it would have been very difficult for the family to prove that miss campbell did what she did. i'm glad that florida permits it. >> fred, you can't cross examine the tape. she'll get less than ten years, avery. >> i'll put money on that one,

pal. >> i'm sure we'll talk about it again as the case goes to court. in new jersey, ruling petitions must be accepted from two groups who want their senator recalled, robert menendez and they have ties with the tea party movement. avery, what are we talking about here? is it this simple where a large number of people can simply petition and say, we want this lawmaker thrown out? >> that's what the tea party argued and they have the aclu backing them up. indeed the state court of appeals said they could. the problem is it's going nowhere. the fact that new jersey trying to remove a federal elected official through recall will never work. in fact, there is an opinion written by the supreme court 15 years ago that is the precedent. it will never happen. the case is going nowhere. >> it's interesting, first the secretary of state said, i'm not accepting these petitions, but the courts say, no, you must. >> yep.

>> yeah. that's the ruling here. they didn't rule in the ultimate constitution constitutionality of whether to remove the senator. they said the secretary of state must accept the position. they have a stay for 45 days so he could take an appeal of the decision, but they did not rule on the question. that's coming down the road. >> for the record, apparently, the two citizens groups linked to the tea party said they wanted him, i guess, recalled because of the votes they believe support more government spending. >> which is what government does. it's interesting. let's talk about rhode island. a lot of folks were really caught off guard. >> love this case. >> when so many teachers were given pink slips because of low performance at the schools there, particularly high school. so now, allegedly one of the teachers at central falls high school hangs in effigy, a one-foot effigy the president of the united states and now she is

under disciplinary review. how far could this potentially go, richard? >> well, this is going to go -- i don't know how far it could go, fred. she was strongly reprimanded by the school district here. this is a woman who parents entrust to educate their children who has no sensitivity to events that occurred in our country with the hanging of black individuals in the south over the years. it's outrageous conduct by this teacher who apologized, but that's not going to be enough. it's not going to hold water here. >> is this something that the school district needs to handle or it could be a legal case, avery? >> i think it's a legal case. >> in what way? >> this is protected speech. this is a teacher who felt that the speech of the president suggesting you fire all the teachers is inappropriate. so she took a 12-inch doll, flipped it upside down and the doll is holding a sign that says "fire all the teachers."

it is protected speech. it's over the top. she apologized but she has a first amendment case against the school district. >> fred? >> go ahead. >> all these teacher vbs terminated. the school district is one of the worst in rhode island. they will qualify for $12 million in stimulus money to turn it around. this teacher is gone. good-bye. >> i disagree. >> you uh guys aren't gone good-bye yet. we'll talk again about other cases including abc news apparently giving $250,000 to casey anthony. oh, richard, i know you can't wait for this one. and we are going to talk about oprah going to court. >> absolutely. >> we'll see you in a few. >> the big o. >> all right, the pope speaking out about the sex abuse san scandal that rocked the church in ireland. 's almost tee-time. time to face the pollen that used to make me sneeze, my eyes water.

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breaking his silence on the child sex abuse scandal that hit the catholic church in ireland. today he released an 18-page letter apologizing to victims. joining us now live from roam, diana magne. what does it say? >> reporter: for a man who normally speaks in complicated theological prose this is straight from the heart, simple, direct. he says, to the victims of abuse and their families, you have suffered and i am truly sorry. he acknowledges the mistakes the church made, a, in letting abuse happen and secondly, in not following cannon law by reporting it. he said, i know some of you find it difficult even to enter the doors of the church after what's occurred. this letter is a way of restoring faith in the church. he says he hopes for renewal. he says he hopes those who abuse

children in the church must face justice, acknowledge what they have done and he calls for investigation into seminaries in ireland so this can never happen again. >> how is the letter being received? >> reporter: well, it was always going to have its critics. we have heard already from certainly victims in victim groups in ireland various criticisms. one that no resignations have been called for in the letterer of ireland's top cardinal, for example, who is known -- it was revealed -- covered up cases of child abuse. secondly that it hasn't addressed the wider issue of child abuse in the catholic church. part of this letter came out. we asked about that. and we're told that really the pope is dealing with the irish case and he will deal with other cases when he has summoned the

information that each instance has its own context and must be addressed in its own way. fredricka? >> thank you very much, diana magnay. while some criticize the pope's response as to too weak, some say he's responded proactively to reports of abuse within the church. this week i talked to cnn's senior vatican analyst john allen and this was his take on the pope's record. >> many people would say the pope has done a relatively good job so far in terms of an aggressive response to this crisis. of course he's the first pope to meet with sex abuse victims which he did first in the united states and then the australia. he's the first to break the public wall of silence about the crisis. all of that, i think, is in the past. today, catholics in ireland,

germany and all over the world want something fresh from the pope, a new signal that the vatican and he himself are on top of this. >> a group in ireland says they are disappointed by the letterer. the organization one in four says the pontiff failed to blame the vatican for carrying out, quote, a deliberate policy to protect sex offenders. we are just hours away from the president of the united states heading to capitol hill. right there as you look at live pictures he's trying to convince certain democrats in particular who are on the fence about health care reform. national car rental knows i'm picky. so, at national, i go right past the counter... and you get to choose any car in the aisle. choose any car? you cannot be serious! okay. seriously, you choose.

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to finish what you started today. for the aches and sleeplessness in between, there's new motrin pm. no other medicine, not even advil pm, is more effective for pain and sleeplessness. new motrin pm. tea party activists are at the u.s. capitol right now to protest the health care bill and try to convince democrats to vote no and kill the bill. as we have been telling you, the votes are very close right now. lisa desjardin with cnn radio is there.

while the protesters are out there i wonder while the majority of the activity is inside there, do the lawmakers know what's going on outside with the protesters? >> reporter: the republicans do. i ran back from the rally. it's a vigorous cloud, a few thousand people and a lot of republicans know that's their crowd. they oppose health care. so does the tea party, but i think democrats are paying more attention to their own members and making sure they get enough of them on board to pass the health care vote tomorrow. in fact, fred, we have a look at some of the swing members. a lot of people want know who's going to decide this. there are a couple of issues. i pointed out some members that symbolize the main issues. let's look at the graphic. one member to watch, michael mcmahon of new york. he has survival concerns. his job is on the line. he barely won last time in a republican district. he may vote against the health care bill as he did last time to

try and survive. then you come to the issue of abortion and someone to watch is kathy dahlkemper. she's on her way to nancy pelosi's office. she's a conservative democrat whose vote democrats may need now. lastly, there are some with mixed concerns. in that category, paul kanjorski, a long-time 25-year congressman here. he has survival concerns because he barely won his seat last time, but he also has student loan concerns. his health bill has the student loan bill attached. well, student loan companies would lose a lot of money and sally mae has a big office in his direct. >> the president just a few hours away from actually coming on capitol hill. is there any feeling that the president's visit could make any

difference? >> well, as you see, he has a tempest of dynamics to try to control. absolutely. democrats are placing the bets that he is the one that will bring them home. we have seen in the last week he's been able to turn at least one or two votes. they are counting on him to do it again today. >> lisa, thank you so much from capitol hill. let's just say health care reform passes and you're one of millions of americans needing insurance. think you will be covered immediate sf immediately? think again. i spoke with dr. sanjay gupta to find out when we would see any changes, again, if it passes. >> keep a couple things in mind. first, we don't know what the final shape of this thing will be. two, not everything is going to happen at once. it won't be a magic wand and all of the sudden the system completely changing. let's look at the important things that might make a difference. i don't know if you can see them or not but the idea that there won't be annual caps anymore.

say you have had an illness. sometimes the insurance company will say there is a yearly or lifetime cap. insurance companies will continue to pay medical experiences. pre-existing conditions, something we have been talking about for more than a year. if you have had a pre-existing condition, it's difficult to get health insurance. they will set up high risk insurance pools so people who have a pre-existing illness can get insurance through the pools. those will be subsidized. young adults covered to age 26. after college but before the first job you can still get health care insurance. drug discounts for seniors. the idea of the donut hole. think of a donut with a hole in the middle. the way the insurance works is they pay as you eat through the first part, but there is no coverage in the middle. you don't get coverage until you get to the other part of the donut. shrinking the donut hole so you have a shorter period of time where you're not covered.

that's the goal. if this passes within 2010 those are some of the things we'll probably see. >> if you're uninsured and you want to be covered, will you be covered immediately if the bill were to pass? >> it depends on who you are and why you're not covered. people who haven't bought insurance because they can't afford it, there may be benefits here. people who have had a pre-existing condition may get a benefit. look at what 2014 would look like. that's an important year as far as when this is widely implemented. there would be mandates. people will have to buy health care insurance or fines. the way they will do it is through a health insurance exchange, supermarkets of private plans you can select from. you can get tax credits to help defray the cost. no discrimination based on pre-existing conditions. tax credits to help pay and finally the idea of expanding medicaid. so for childless adults living

near poverty they qualify for medicaid expansion. but that's four years down the line for a vast majority of americans waiting for this to happen. >> thank you very much for that. for the latest on the health care debate and if you want to find out where every house member stands so far on the reform plan go to cnn.com/healthcare. the price of infamy. abc news and casey anthony, a financial deal for the mom accused of killing her daughter.

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now. a final push by president obama to get congress to pass health care reform. he's heading to capitol hill less than three hours from now to meet with house democrats. the house is expected to vote tomorrow on the senate's version of the bill. democratic leaders say they're confident they'll have the votes they need, but they're still trying to convince undecided fellow democrats. and tens of thousands of travelers are stranded after cabin crew workers at british airways launched a three-day strike. the airline had to cancel more than a thousand flights, but it's hoping to operate at 65% capacity during the walkout by using contract crews. cabin crews are protesting a pay freeze and changes to the work schedule. all right. our legal guys are back. let's talk about oprah winfrey headed to court in philadelphia though this is linked to her south african schools. avery friedman is a law

professor. richard her man is a new york criminal defense attorney and law professor. welcome back. okay, richard, we're talking about allegations of sexual abuse taking place at oprah's south african schools but then the head mistress says the things oprah said about her management of the case means that her character was defamed. so therefore she is taking oprah winfrey to court. did i get it right? >> kind of right. a dorm matron at the school was convicted of 13 counts of assault and indecent assault, et cetera. students complained to oprah saying that the head mistress knew about it and covered it up. oprah's defense will be a good faith basis. it's her opinion. truth is always a defense in a defamation case. she relied on the students and let's remember, fred, the school is so personal to oprah, she

personally hired the head mistress and not only that, she personally interviewed every student who was enrolled there. so if you think that oprah's going to lose a case in the united states, especially in philadelphia, you can forget it. she's not losing anything. >> so, avery, this head mistress is saying because oprah believed what the students and others said and because she said this woman should have handled it better now she's saying i'm unployable? >> that's what's going on. it took the federal district judge 128 pages to say that, but he cleared the way for the trial. in fact -- >> why philadelphia? >> philadelphia because of the publicity that is the statements made. much of the opinion deals with the fact that she's a south african and oprah lives in illinois. so much of the problem was jurisdiction issues. the federal judge said the

remarks by oprah are capable of being construed as defamation. it is a very limited issue. the judge threw out all over claims, intentional infliction of emotional distress, but the bottom line is shortly this trial is going to start -- >> monday. >> and i'm in agreement with richard. i think it will be a difficult case for the plaintiff to prove against her. >> it's oprah, people. >> yeah. it's oprah. >> it's going to be dutough. >> the big o. >> also in pennsylvania, there is a case of an appellate court saying to the prosecutors in a particular case, you cannot actually file federal porn charges against a teenager who allegedly took pictures of herself partly nude by way of cell phone. richard, this whole sexting thing is getting huge, isn't it? >> well, it is huge. it boils down to this. young woman comes out of a shower, takes a picture of herself topless, sends it to

friends. the prosecutor says, okay, either i will prosecute you and you will face seven years on a felony and ten years as a registered sex offender or you must take a mandated course that the district attorney's office is going to teach for five weeks. that is not -- you cannot do that. that's impermissible. the appellate division said, no. district attorney you can't impose your morality on this individual. and the d.a. is out of office. >> the family is turning it around saying, we're going to file a civil rights complaint. and they are trying to sue, what, the prosecutors? >> there is immunity for the prosecutor, but you know this is the second highest court in america, fredricka. the u.s. court of appeals in philadelphia said correctly when it comes to teaching morality it's not a function of of the government. the parents argue they have a first amendment right to teach children to do the right thing. it's clearly not pornography.

the court said no probable cause on that. and it is the function of mom and dad to teach morality. the three judges absolutely got it right. >> you killed me earlier, richard. you were like, she only took pictures of the top part. and that's okay, huh? >> only. >> okay. well, let's move on to the casey anthony case. we're talking about a mother who is at some point, i guess, going to stand trial for the disappearance and the murder -- can we say murder? >> absolutely. >> the murder of her child. now we are talking about abc news. her attorney admitted in court that abc news may have helped finance her defense by providing $250,000. abc news says for -- what? images? >> videos. >> we have a problem, richard. apparently she's out of money to continue, i guess, with the dream team, but at the heart of

the matter is abc news paying for material which is also paying for her defense. >> she filed a financial statement claiming she has no funds, that she cannot afford her attorneys and therefore we like to pride ourselves as being a civilized nation. so in cases where criminal charges are brought, we provide counsel if you cannot afford one. let's understand something. a novel concept. she's innocent until proven guilty and in thisser particular case they're looking to terminate her life. first-degree murder. they want to kill her. so the judge is saying, okay, i reviewed your analysis. i see you got money from abc. where did it go? okay. i accept that. i will review the statements to make sure you don't exceed spending caps and i will approve the fees. >> the issue here -- that's right, but abc failed to disclose, hid information from the public while covering this case that they provided $200,000. the only reason the matter

surfaced is because casey anthony has a right to counsel. they burned up the $200,000. they burned up other money. the only reason this surface sd because of the petition by the lawyers, not because abc was honest about paying for the pictures. that was hidden. for two years abc has been covering it and never disclosed the fact that they turned over $200,000. >> it's an ethical and a legal issue. if you're out of money you are supposed to be able to be afforded some sort of legal defense, even if it means taxpayer expense. >> two red hot issues in that case. >> absolutely. >> we'll talk about that some more. we'd love to have you back. every weekend we look forward to it. avery and richard, see you next weekend. >> have a good weekend. >> take care. >> thank you so much. a heart-pounding chase but, as you can see, right here it ends well. you thought i was going to talk about something else, right?

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now to the latest child sex abuse scandal to rock the roman catholic church. an irish priest is awaiting extr decision to the u.s. accused of molesting a boy some four decades ago. drew griffin with the special investigations unit visited a small minnesota parish where he once worked and found out some surprising details about his past. >> reporter: in ireland, a proud irish town is a town where

francis marky dreamt of becoming a priest and serving parishioners all over the world. but by age 25, the newly ordained father markey was headed toward a dark future. now, 82 years old, he awaits extradition from a jail in indiana back to ireland to face the charge he raped a young boyer more than 40 years ago. his story part of a growing crisis in the irish-catholic church, now admitting that for decades its leaders hid, moved and even exported suspected pedophile priests to cover up horrific crimes. >> the roman-catholic church has the largest body of knowledge of nonincarcerated sex offenders in the world. >> reporter: francis markey was first suspended in 1964 and sent for psychiatric treatment in dublin. during the '60s and '70s he

would be suspended an sent for treatment three times, eventually being sent to new mexico where the church ran a treatment facility for priests with various addictions or sexual problems. he would mysteriously resurface here in 1982 in this tiny town of granite falls, minnesota, filling in for a priest at the very small parish of st. andrews. it was here in 1982 that a young boy would come to this priest's house just across the street from the church and find himself in father markey's arms. >> as i was leaving he gave me a hug. when he did so, he stuck his tongue down my throat. he had been drinking. there was alcohol. i can't say if he was drunk. but he was definitely drinking. >> reporter: you were a little boy? >> real.

>> reporter: the man is trying to protect his family from embarrassme embarrassment. he claims the abuse never went any further but markey's arrest in indiana based on accusations made in ireland has refocused attention not only on ireland's church secrets, but perhaps secrets of a small town minnesota church. father moran? this is drew griffin with cnn calling. you're saying you didn't know him at all? >> -- but i had no contact with him. >> reporter: father james moran was pastor of st. andrews. markey filled in for him while moran was in roam. >> who called? >> drew griffin. >> i will talk to you and only you. no programs for anything like that. >> reporter: as we sat on a couch outside the view of the camera the father insisted he knew nothing of the allegations against father markey, but the

diocese told cnn father markey was sent from this church for treatment because parents were afraid he had an attraction to males. calls weren't returned to cnn. in granite falls those who knew him wonder if there are more secrets. >> to this day i wonder how many people are wondering whatever happened to him? how many people had encounters with him? i can just imagine how many victims, people he affected. >> reporter: now it seems likely some of them will see their priest again. not in the pews of his old parish, but in the benches of an irish courtroom where markey is ex-expected to stand trial. drew griffin, cnn, granite falls, minnesota. >> we promised you a sneak peek look at an ar