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red and if it is changing colors and the diameter, pigger thanbi than a pencil. get it checked out. be sure to check out my podcast on cnn.com/podcasting. this is the place for all of your medical questions. thanks for watching. i'm dr. sanjay gupta. more news on cnn starts right now. kill the bill, kill the bill! >> we've made clear that they are going to continue to ram, ram, ram this bill through the congress. >> just as co-pays for one month is $350. where people vote on this bill will have a huge factor, a huge impact on whether they are here next year or not.
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>> don't do it for me. don't do it for the democratic party. do it for the american people. we are coming to you live from the cnn center in atlanta. that place right there is where the action is happening today, where, in fact, history could happen today. they could pass landmark health care reform legislation but they still have to count the votes. the work is not done yet. welcome to the cnn sunday morning. it is march 21st. we have seen deet bait. we have seen proet test. we have seen the rallies and sweat and tears. it all comes full circle today. i am t.j. holms. and i'm abbie boudreau. we are hours away from the house convening to vote on the president's health care bill. >> the future of health care will be decided in really just a matter of hours. right now, democrats still doing some head counting. they do not have a lot on the votes they immediate to pass.
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the no votes are what we are counting here. this is what we are keeping up with. we are told that now 33 house democrats are planning to vote against the measure. if that number climbs to 38, so that's just five more, that means the bill will not pass. the bill, let's show you the bill. right next to our brianna keilar, right now, who is at the capital, got heavy yesterday. this is a big bill. this could happen soon. >> reporter: could happen soon. here is what the day ahead looks like. i want to show you exactly what the house is going to be voting on. now, the house comes into session at 1:00 p.m. this afternoon. between now and then, it is all about arm-twisting and wrangling those last-minute votes for house democratic leaders. at 1:00, we are going to see -- i really want to go through the highlights. there are a lot of procedural stuff. you are going to see a vote on
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what's called the rule. this lays out the parameters of the debate. all the votes are going to take place today. what you are going to see later in the day, you will see a vote on this, the senate health care reform bill. this and then next, ruffloughly speaking, this is called the reconciliation bill, a bill of changes that house democrats have made. when does this all wrap up? the best guess is sometimes when you are probably eating dinner if you are here on the east coast. maybe 6:30, maybe 7:00. we are looking at the evening. what i've learned from covering these things is they frequently slip farther into the evening. we will certainly be keeping an eye on it. this is the whole day that we are going to be covering. >> also, we have a plan of how we think this is going to go. we thought we knew how things were going to go yesterday before democrats through a monkey wrench in the whole thing. what else could republicans -- do they have more tricks up
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their sleeve to try to slow things down or stop this bill once again? >> reporter: you have to expect that they do. this has been the tactic. it is really the tactic of might north party at any point in time because they don't have the votes necessarily to effect this. they are going to pull out everything that they have in their tool shed. they could do -- there is a certain vote that they can offer. we don't necessarily know. it is going to be an alternative they could offer at the last minute. we don't know what that's going to be. another thing i want to point out, they are voting on the senate bill first now and then on the changes bill. this is also a change from yesterday, from last night. we thought they were going to vote on the changes and then the senate bill to give some members some political cover but obviously that's not going to happen. >> that had a lot of people scratching their heads. we had people asking about it to us this morning. wait a minute. you vote on the changes and then you vote on the bill? can you really do that.
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i'm sure, brieiwhen we talk to next, it will have changed. thanks so much. the president has a lot riding on this vote. he postponed his trip to indonesia to be in washington to make a final push for his top domestic initiative. white house correspondent, dan lothian joins us live. the ez president wanted to be i washington when this vote went down. >> reporter: had he kept to his schedule, he would have been overseas. this is such a critical vote. the president wanted to be here to make sure he could push health care reform across the finish line. i just heard from a white house aide that told me the president will be continuing to working the phones behind the scene to reach out to the house democrats who are still on the fence. that's what we've seen from the president over the last few days, our own version of march madness as they are in the fourth quarter of this major health care game, if you will,
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trying to make sure that the democrats, who can really help them win this, vote yes. so the president we saw yesterday going up to capitol hill making it clear to those house democrats exactly what is at stake. >> i am just curious, do we -- >> we are bound to let whatever light we have shine. we have been debating health care for decades. it has now been debated for a year. it is in your hands. it is time to pass health care reform for america and i am confident that you are going to do it tomorrow. thank you very much, house of representatives. let's get this done! >> reporter: of course, democrats have been very confident that they do have the votes to get this passed. of course, we will have to wait and see if that's the case. clearly, the white house is a bit concerned. we saw last night reaching out to former president, bill clinton, to help, to make phone
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calls to the house democrats to are still undecided or undeclared. so that big push, reaching out to a former president, who, by the way, stumbled, in fact, failed on health care reform when he tried back in the '90s. he does remain a popular figure. they are hoping he can do some arm-twisting and convincing. abbie? >> busy day ahead for you. >> that busy day starts. it has pretty much started. it hasn't stopped all weekend. at 1:00, the house is convenienting. you can follow the health care vote all day long right here, cnn special live coverage. this is your place to find out about this historic day on capitol hill. we'll have it covered for you. the moment that people in parts of the midwest have been waiting for and fearing. >> the red river set to crest today. at what level? our reynolds woclf is there. hello to you again. >> reporter: my guess, it will
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the red river expects td to crest right now. reynolds wolf keeping an eye on it. we are talking about levels getting pretty high and pretty clees to that record? >> reporter: beyond major flood stage. it is going to be around 17 feet or so. we are going to exceed that level by nearly 20 feet. it is hard to believe. sure enough, that's where we are headed. again, as you mentioned, cresting while you speak. folks, want to see the river? right over here. we are not standing on any of the restricted berms. this one is covered with grass. right there, you see tree-lined. a week or so ago, that was free of water. now, of course, almost to the very top. that is what you see across much of the landscape here in the upper midwest. if you are wondering if it has
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been affecting any of the homes, i would say yes in a very big way. we are going to walk down the sidewalk. the sidewalk comes to an abrupt end. at the end of the sidewalk, of course, you can see again a little bit of the dykes that were made, another sandbag and another one. we spoke with the homeowner. they started making these sandbags on march 1st. over 1 million in the fargo area. it is to stem the tide of this big river. there has not been again any major home damage. no lives lost with this flood, the great news. they have been very prepared for this. what a frustrating thing for them it must be. two years in a row, two major floods, due to the heavy snow fall that fell back in the wintertime and it began to melt and it's just a giant flood
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plain. the water can't escape. it just fans out. we have been seeing a lot of floodwaters and a lot of the sandbags. a couple of the sandbags right here. one bit of interesting news, the city of fargo is going to start dismantling some of the leftovers. they are pretty confident they are doing a great job in terms of holding back the flood. they did a great job with filling these sandbags. what they are going to do is start to cleanup. that will be a pretty big job. the flooding waters are expected to drop over the next couple of days. cleanup will begin. plenty of that. a lot of relief for a lot of people. they were prepared for this flood. let's send it back to you in the studio, t.j. >> always prepared. we are hoping everything holds. we appreciate you, reynolds. we will talk to you again soon, buddy. still, some indecision in washington. how holding out has turned some members of congress into the most powerful players in washington. i just wish it and it happens.
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them. there are a bunch of undeclared. within them, there are also those truly undecided that haven't made up their minds. i'm going to show you the numbers. i want you to understand why we are breaking it down the way we are. we are looking at the total number of democratic no votes. here is why. cnn has been doing a close look at where the legislators stand for days and days and days. we found that the number of yes votes leading up to this vote keeps changing. what has stayed the same is the number of democratic no votes. it has been steady. the total number of democratic no votes needed to kill the bill, 38. at this point, they now have 33 of those votes. you are looking at a handful u are looking at five votes that could potentially swing this either way. what i'm going to do is show you a few of the undeclared. among them, you will see who might be undecided. let's start with representative john spratt. he is one of the undeclared. we have been taking about him.
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he didn't know yet. he was waiting to see some of the final language in that bill. keep in mind, this legislation is massive. it has thousands of pages in it. there are many lawmakers who say they need to take a close look at the language. let's go to represent john tanner from tennessee, he is also one of the undeclared. a lot of people keeping an eye on him. the most important thing to him, cost control. he really wanted to see the report from the congressional budget office. at the end of the week, he wanted to study it a little bit. let's look at two more. representative earl pomeroy is next. he is one of the ones we have been keeping an eye on. we are not sure where he will be today. we are keeping an eye on him throughout the day and all the other lawmakers as well. i will show you a fourth one here. representative james oberstar of
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minnesota. he has been undeclared for years. last we heard, he was leaning towards likely yes. he had concerns about the language involving abortion. he seemed to feel that that was relatively resolved but has not declared his position either way. how can you find out about your lawmakers or any lawmakers, we have that for you on the web at a web page we are updating constantly throughout the day. when we get new information, it is there within two minutes. i have linked that for you at my facebook page, which you can see here at cnn.com. facebook.com/joshlefscnn. i recommend you guys keep an eye on that web page throughout the day leading up to the big vote. we will see what happens, abbie and t.j., what will happen with our remaining handful that could swing this one way or the other. >> that's great information.
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thank you so much. >> we will hear a lot about this historic showdown today. the house is going to convenient at 1:00 eastern tichlt me. we are a little less than five hours away. we will have three votes, one on the terms of debate, the rules, the compromises to the change to the bill and the bilel itself. at first, they were to vote on the bill and changes. the order has been flipped. they are going to vote on the bill, itself and then on the package of changes. it will take 216 votes to pass this measure. if the house makes any changes, the bill would then have to go back to the senate for them to approve it as well. thousands of people are expected in the nation's capital demanding immigration reform. immigration advocates are hoping congress will take up the issue
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this year. an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants are living in the u.s. people in iceland have been evacuated after a volcan volcanicruption. they are monitoring this for more activity and possible flooding that could come out of this. a teenager has been charged with harassment and bias indim dags for allegedly using a walmart p.a. system to tell all black people to leave the store. this happened last week at a new jersey walmart. the 16-year-old was arrested friday and released to his parents. so what's behind the call for a recount in iraq's election? >> the race may be too close to call. or is this just some more political posturing. we are going live to baghdad with our mohammed jamjoon next. fantastically tasty, huh?
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two weeks after iraqis cast their ballots, the race still too close to call. now, prime minister, nuri al maliki wants a recount. mohammed january joamjoon is lie in baghdad. we have been waiting. we have to wait longer? >> reporter: we just found out today that iraqi prime minister, nuri al maliki is calling for a recount of all the votes cast. doing so to preserve the electoral integrity of the process.
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what you have seen, since the election, it has been a close race between the state of law coalition and the coalition led by former interim prime minister. prime minister al maliki is leading in seven provinces. they have been coming out and charging electoral fraud and vote margins as the margins between the different candidates has narrowed. you have the president of iraq coming out and asking for a recount. this is going to prolong the process more. the high electoral commission is checking into this. they are trying to decide how to respond to this request. if the top political leader of iraq is requesting a recount and he is in the lead and you can only imagine that more and more candidates and parties will be requesting a recount. this could prolong this already long process even more. >> explain the best you can, i know it is complicated, how they
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settle how many seats and who is in power and one vote doesn't ne necessarily mean you are going to get one seat. why would it be so important that the guy in the lead wants a recount? explain what could be possibly his motive? >> reporter: well, t.j., as you've mentioned, you know, the math here for the election it is difficult at best to try to explain. it is difficult eve forein for politicians to grasp. it is not just based on the popular vote. you have seen the former prime minister inch ahead and then al maliki will inch ahead. he is leading in seven of the 18 provinces. it is not a surprise that he would call for a recount when these margins are getting narrower and narrower. there is a lot of fear bit parties in iraq that we are expected to possibly have a
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bigger lead. they are concerned. because the race is as close as it is, you are going to basically be seeing more and more political blocks, politicians asking for this recount. keet is how does the electoral commission, how are they going to respond and what's going to happen next? >> any idea what we will hear from them, the commission? >> reporter: we know they are meeting right now. we don't know what their response will be. even though the independent high electoral commission, even if they reject it, it doesn't mean it is over. there are other ways they could stop the vote counting. >> mohammed jamjoon, you weren't kidding when you said it is difficult to explain. thank you so much. we will talk to you again. faith is being put to the ultimate test. it can overcome another devastating blow to the catholic church? n i borrow a quarter?
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hello, again, everybody. i'm t.j. holmes. >> and i'm abbie boudreau. >> it is a very important sunday morning. could be a history-making morning in washington, d.c. time to vote. lawmakers hours away from voting on a $875 billion health reform package. democratic leaders trying to line up all the yes votes. all the republicans plan to vote against the legislation. where does that leave us? that means if 38 democrats join the republicans in voting no, the bill goes nowhere. it is dead. cnn's last count, 33 democrats plan to vote no. the president spent part of his day yesterday trying to rally the troops. >> we have been debating health care for decades. it has now been debated for a
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year. it is in your hands. it is time to pass health care reform for america and i am confident that you are going to do it tomorrow. thank you very much, house of representatives! let's get this done! >> let's head to capitol hill to our brianna keilar who has been keeping an eye on things this weekend. you heard the president say, he is confident and let's get this done. how confident are democrats they can line up enough of their members to get this thing passed? >> reporter: they say they r going to do it, t.j. the thing is, though, we don't see the number over or even to that all important 216 number yet. it is not there. they say they are going to get it. but, in the meantime, however this vote turns out, and it is going to be close, make no mistake about that, it is really important to focus on what's in this bill, what's in this health care reform package. this is going to be historic. it is going to effect you.
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this is the bill right here. as you can see, it is very large. we are going to boil it down for you, basically, tell you some of the key points here. first off, this would require you to get health insurance. for employers who don't provide it, they would be penalized for not providing it with an exception for small businesses that can't afford it. also, in part, to cover the 32 million more americans that this package will cover, it expands the medicaid rules to cover some of those americans. it says to insurance companies, you cannot deny coverage on the basis of pry basis of pre-existing conditions. how does this pay for this plan? this whole plan is $940 billion over the course of 10 years, though it doesn't add to the deficit. it taxes those high-end cadillac health care plans, expensive health care plans.
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critics say that will trickle down to some of the people who have high-end plans. if you make more than $250,000 as a couple, you will be seeing an increase in your taxes. >> you have seen it more so than anybody probably. some of the back and forth and the nastyness within the halls of congress, that's coming from the legislators. other people, some of the protestors, things got a little ugly. how are some reacting to some people that want no as well? >> reporter: there was a big protest around the capital, the tea party protesters who are against this health care reform package that says it amounts to a government takeover of health care. that were some ugly moments. a couple black members of congress were called the "n" word. one of whom was spat on by a
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protester. you had barney frank, who is openly gay. he was called a faggot by one protester. we had democrats say, this is not okay. we are condemning this. there were republican lawmakers at this protest. i haven't gotten anything on the record from a republican member of congress. i did talk to an aid to a senior house republican who said, keep in mind, the vast majority of these protesters were prolight a polite and dignified. when you look at protests that are for liberal causes, there are those few people that take it over the line. they say this was similar to this. what you have, t.j., this is difficult for republicans. they have been trying to harness the energy of these tea-party protesters. something like this goes down. i saw the protests yesterday. there were only a couple problem areas. something like this goes down,
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looks bad. republicans find themselves in a really difficult spot because it. >> you hate to see that kind of uglyness. some people take it too fafrmt . there are basically three directions the house can go. you are about to hear from lawmakers in every category. there is the yeses, the noes, undeclared or undecided. the undeclares means house members will not say how they intend to vote. undecided means they don't know yet. texas blue dog democrat henry cuellar was in that category. within the past 12 hours, he has joined the yes crowd. the reason? something he talked about yesterday. a majority of people in his district, he says, cannot afford health care. >> i've got a district that's in the top ten most uninsured district in the whole country. at the same time as the blue dog, i want to look at what sort
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of impact this will affect on our country, what sort of impact it will have on our country? the numbers that came out are very promising. when you talk about reducing the deficit by $138 billion in the first ten years and $1.2 trillion in the next ten years, that's promising. it's the issue, of course, of pr providing access. >> i have fought long and hard for single payer. that's not in the bill i fought for public option. couldn't get it in the bill. lastly, what i was looking at was a decision to kill the bill or enable it to keep breathing with the hopes that that will be part of a larger discussion for comprehensive health care reform. >> this is a bad bill. it has been a bad bill, because the premise of it has been faulty from the start. we would like for those who know this is a bad bill to stay firm on their belief that it is not good for the american people and
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certainly not good for our patients and not good for the health care system in general. >> here is where it stands right now. the house convenes at 1:00 people. we are going wall to wall with special coverage of today ace historic health care vote. stay with us all day as we bring you the latest, right down to the actual vote right here on cnn. it is the scandal that the catholic church has no choice but to address. the pope took a step this weekend in addressing it, apologizing to sex abuse victims in ireland. >> sorry is the beginning. that's all it is. it is the beginning. we need to see the pope coming
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here. he needs to hear us, meet us in the flesh. we need to see him without abuse in a reconciliation form. >> the apology extends only in the letter he wrote to victims in ireland. allegations are popping up across six european countries. how does the catholic church move forward? we want to begin with john allen. always good to see you. joining us early from california. thank you for being here. i don't know if you were able to hear in that sound bite from a woman who was able to say, this is only the first step. if the letter is the first step, what is the next step for the pope and for the church? >> t.j., i think the next step to some extent rests in the eye of the beholder. i think those inclined to be sympathetic to the pope would say he has already done much of what he needs to do. this is the pope who broke the wall of sigh lengths about the sex abuse crisis.
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he has met with victims and indicated he is willing, eager to do so again e has disciplined some high-profile priests who were thought of as untouchable and on and on. they would say the challenge is to stay the course. those inclined to be critical, including many victims and their advocates, will tell you there is a ton of unfinished business. the pope's letter has stirred criticism in part for what it does not contain. it contains no new punitive measures. no clear reputation for what many would see as a pattern of secrecy in the church. most glaringly, the pope takes no personal responsibility or responsibility for the vatican. he raps the knuckles of priests and bishops but doesn't acknowledge that rome mayplayedy
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part in this crisis. >> we are used to seeing when it comes to the political arena. they have a war room. you come up with a plan. is the vatican doing that as well? how much does the pope have influence in exactly how he, the church rs t church, the vatican is going to handle this? what is going on in that head of his? >> if you think the white house is the model of how the vatican does business, you have bigger problems than trying to understand this letter. that's not how it works. one of the things that's complicated, the sex abuse crisis, it is about priests abusing children. super advising priests is not something that's done directly by the vatican, is not done. it is done by local authorities. it is like rivalries and tensions in state governments in america. it is not clear where
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responsibility lies. what is clearly happening now, which is different than when the american crisis erupted eight years ago, in 2002, is the vatican now understands it cannot sit out this debate. you may remember eight years ago, when the crisis erupted in the state in january, we didn't hear word wone from a pope unti june. they were saying in rome that this is an american problem. it is a campaign to hurt the church that is whipped up by lawyers and the media and dissidents and so on. today, the tone obviously is very, very different. i think that's a recognition on the part of the vatican that even though it can't supervise directly the 400,000 catholic priests around the world, people are looking to it for leadership. it has got to come through. >> last thing. i have to ask you to do this for me quickly. are some starting to question, will they question whether or not he has the moral authority to lead the church given that so many of the allegations coming
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up in germy, wheany where he is where he was a bishop, where he was seeing someone accused of allegations, he didn't handle that so well? are some going to question whether or not he is the man who can lead the church through this crisis? >> some are raising that question. the answer would be ultimately if we learn anything more about his years in germany. if a pattern should emerge. if the one case becomes five, ten, 20, the question becomes a real problem for the pope. >> john allen, our senior vatican analyst. always good to have you and talk to you. hope to talk to you again soon. >> thanks, t.j. we are counting down of course, the health care reform vote. five more no votes on the democratic side and the bill is not going to pass. both sides have been making claims about this bill for months. we need a reality check, don't we? that's up next. ients look young. but nothing works like this. [ female announcer ] new neutrogena® clinical skincare, with 10 breakthrough patents,
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. it is that time. we serve as the warmup for the big show that comes up at 9:00 eastern with candy crowley. >> she is live in washington where there is an unfinished business of health care reform. >> yes. this whole day, we are watching what is going to be a major step. this is not the last step. the house of representatives will take a vote on health care reform. we expect it will pass. if they don't have the votes, i expect they will delay the votes. we expect there are enough democrats, 216 of them, who will, in fact, vote for health care reform and pass it back to the senate, at least a portion of it back to the senate. moving closer and closer to the end. >> how extraordinary, put it in some kind of perspective, how extraordinary of an event we have seen the past couple of days, the past few days, especially yesterday and now this extraordinary day we are about to see today. we are talking about making
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history or they are talking about making history? >> exactly. so often, when you are reporting on things, as you know, it is so incremental. there isn't a day when you think, okay, today, we'll read about this in the history book. those are very few and far between. this is one of them. we do know that not since medicare in the '60s has there been this big a piece of legislation that would touch literally every american life that has come before congress and if the house passes it, it is just a real hallmark and something that will appear in the history books. i'll tell you what, if it is defeated, it will also appear in the history books. maybe it won't be quite so large. >> history, one way or another, a fascinating day. you, of course, have a fascinating show as always. she is only 14 minutes away, folks. candy, always good to see you, thank you so much. again, she starts at 9:00 eastern, 6:00 pacific, candy crowley, state of the union. 
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with the health care bill down to the wire, we are hearing a whole new set of plans on both sides. but, are they true? our josh levs is here to tell us. you were talking before about a bunch of half truths. >> you are right. that is how it got labeled. so much is happening today. a lot of it online. one thing i want to mention, keep it on cnn.com all day for the details. earlier today, we mentioned james oberstar. he is talking about on his facebook page that he is supporting health care legislation. a lot of democrats saying they
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are moving toward a place where they will have enough votes. we are doing a lot of back-checking for you, the things we are hearing on both sides. let's start off with something president obama has been saying. >> but this bill, according to the congressional budget office, which is the referee, the scorekeeper for how much things cost, says, it will save us $1 trillion. not only can we afford to do this, we can't afford not to do it. >> he is saying the congressional budget office says the nation will save more than $1 trillion over the next 20 years. let me show you what the cbo says, they do say over ten years, it will save $138 billion. they were asked to look at the next ten years as well. what they saw for the next ten years, they can't come up with a dollar figure. we can end on that. oefrn t over the next ten years, they think it will save 1/2% of gdp.
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they say they have the votes. the head of the democratic
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caucus says that, in fact, they do have the 216 votes needed to pass the president's health care reform legislation. this word just coming across to us. we have been telling you the magic number is 216 to pass it in the house. once it passes, that's it. health care reform, the president's signature domestic issue, therefore, will become the law of the land as soon as he puts his signature on it. some other procedural stuff needs to happen with the reconciliation bill. the key number they need, they say they have. the house is going to be convenienting convening at 1:00 this afternoon. they have three votes to takes, one on a reconciliation bill and one on the bilets sel itself. 216 votes were needed. they say they have them. however, republicans have been saying all along that they thought that they might have the votes as well on the no side. this is a fluid situation, because it is hard to get all of
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the yeas and the nays to raise their hands ahead of time. we still have plenty of people on the board and that we have been canvassing that say they are undeclared. some saying they are undecided. the head of the democratic caucus has come out and said, in fact, they do have the 216 votes needed. we shall see in a matter of hours, even though the house does convenient at 1:00 today, this could go into the evening with all the procedural steps that have to take place. like i said, there are a lot of other votes that need to take place. this could go into the evening. the key now, we are hearing democrats say that they do have the 216 votes. now, i mentioned the head of the democratic caucus who is saying this this morning, john larson, the democrat of connecticut, he is going to be a guest on candy crowley's show. that is coming your way in just 40 minutes. we have been talking about this all morni

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