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whether this epic battle is a way to be proud of or not. and who told lies about the bill on both sides? we are keeping them honest. and the man who got pummeled for voting for the bill, bart stupak and we will talk to him. and he achieved health care that no other president has, and will voters reward or punish president obama, and what about nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats? republicans say it is an albatross around their neck, and we will talk all sides on 360. first up, history and what it means for you and your family
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and the country, because whether you support the bill or not, you can agree with this, there is not a moment like this before many of us were born. >> on this vote, the yeas are 220 and the nays are 211, and the bill is passed! well, that is the moment in the house late last night when they passed the senate version of health care reform in a package of fixes to it. president obama is going to sign the bill tomorrow. he will also push for the senate fixes and then head out to sell americans on it, because as you know, plenty of americans don't support it or know much about it, but last night for the president, it was a very sweet moment. >> tonight's vote is not a victory for any one party. it is a victory for them. it is a victory for the american people. and it is a victory for common sense. >> well, again, for the president to sign the bill
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tomorrow and then try to sell it until november, and in a moment, we will have a "keeping them honest" report about the lies told about the bill. first, let's go over to the wall and go over a little bit of what is in the bill and how it is supposed to be paid for. first of all, what happens first? six months from now, insurance companies will have to cover kids regardless of the illness. and six months from now, young people up to age 26 can stay on their paints' plans. the cutoff varies from states. also, no more annual or lifetime caps for anyone with expensive long-term illnesses like cancer. also, seniors will get a $250 rebate for prescription drugs to help them get across the doughnut hole in the existing coverage, and again, all of these things kick in after six months, and so do subsidies to help small companies buy insurance for employees. then, let's move forward into 2011, fees on drug makers start to kick in for covering more people, and then you move the clock ahead to 2013, and the
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taxes come into play. most of them on people making more than $200,000 a year or couples making more than $250,000. and there is a new tax on interest and dividends and a sales tax on medical devices which republican critics say will discourage innovation. then also 2014, the whole enchilada and nobody can be turned down for coverage or dropped because they are sick. also, everyone in that year has to purchase coverage or face fines. they start out small and rise up to 2.5% of incomes an exchanges will be set up to try to boost competition. also in 2014, families get tax breaks to afford coverage and medicaid is expanded as well for lower income families. republicans are going to fight all of this of course, and republican attorney generals in 11 states right now are planning legal challenges and we will speak with utah's attorney general in a moment. first, "keeping them honest." have a lot of mean and nasty stuff said in the last couple of days and frankly, a lot of whys told. i don't know if you saw this,
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but right up to the vote, some protesters on capitol hill shouted racial slurs and bigoted slur to one congressman, and one congressman was spat on and signs egging on the crowds and one congressman shouted "baby killer" on the floor of the house, and on each side they called each other liar, and that has been a constant since this whole thing began a year ago, but are both sides equal at stretching the truth? ed henry is keeping them honest. >> mr. speaker, mr. speaker -- >> reporter: the noise was deafening and the passions high. >> have you read the bill? have you read the reconciliation bill? have you read the manager's amendment? hell no, you haven't. >> reporter: but were the charges on both sides true. "keeping them honest" in a word, no.
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the most questionable claim nearly brought down final health bill, and the republican charges that the plan would force taxpayers to pay for abortion. >> can you go home to tell your constituents that this bill respects the sanctity of all human life and won't allow for taxpayer funding for abortions for the first time in 30 years? no, you cannot. >> reporter: actually white house officials say they can point to something that knocks this down. section 130-b-1-b of the bill that says abortions for which public funding is prohibited. the second questionable claim this weekend came from a familiar face, conservative icon sarah palin. over the weekend, she tweeted shocking new questions whether military health care plans are protected under obama care and how will underpaid troops afford their own purchase? actually, the bill stipulates that most military care is not
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achbted by the law, but a drafting error left some doubt, but it was tweaked to fix it, so palin's false charge about death panels were evaporated and the old standby -- >> the overwhelming number of people in minnesota's 6th congressional district want nothing to do with the government takeover of health care. >> reporter: government takeover of health care and the legislation actually builds on the current system which is why the president's senior adviser david axelrod told me it is a recycled false claim. >> i think that some of the arguments you heard yesterday were really tenny if not bewildering because they didn't bear resemblance to the program being voted on. >> reporter: but the president also made at least one statement that is highly questionable, as he ecited the congressional budget office's projection that the bill will reduce the deficit by $1.2 trillion. >> this is paid for and will not add a dime to deficit or reduce the deficit. >> reporter: but in fact the cbo noted quote, the imprecision of the calculation reflects the
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greater degree of uncertainty in long-term programs. >> ed, what is going on at the white house, because we know key players showed up tonight for a meeting. >> well, i'm intrigued tonight, because the white house was clear they didn't want to celebrate and only one bit of celebration by the top aides and the president offered some staffers up to the truman balcony which oversees the jefferson memorial and toasted the victory and made it clear they are back to work. at the oval office there are key senators like the majority leader harry reid who came over and plotting strategy and how they want the next few days to go out in terms of the dealing with the procedural hurdles in the senate with the fix-it bill. and while they say they are confident to get it done, i am picking up the nervous innocence the white house that maybe some of the hurdles are difficult and maybe some stumbles on the fix-it bill, so this meeting was important to lay out the
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strategy. >> thank you, ed henry. safe to say that live chat is up at ac 360 and not only running but buzzing, so check it out. coming up, former president bill clinton weighs in on the health care passage and also bart stupak who stood at the most controversial part of the hearing where he was called a "baby killer", and also, a challenge to have all mile an hours carry insurance, and he is not the only one. and what that mean norse gop and our panel weighs in. ed rollins and ed begala and dana bash and joe johns. we will be right back. raw politics and raw and ugly. you saw a bit of it in ed henry's report and democratic congressman bart stupak got an earful of it. he was the holdout saying he would likely vote no, until he when i grow up,
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raw politics and raw and ugly. you saw a bit of it in ed henry's report and democratic congressman bart stupak got an earful of it. he was the holdout saying he would likely vote no, until he got an executive order from president obama saying that the bill does not provide federal funding for abortion. when he switched the vote to yes, and stood up to vote, this
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is what happened. >> the vote is not to recommit life, but it is the democrats who have stood up -- it is the democrats who have stood up to -- >> suspend! those who are shouting out are out of order. >> baby killer. >> mr. speaker -- okay. you can hear the words baby killer being yell and it was the texas republican randy neugebauer and what he said is that he meant to say "it's a baby killer" and not referring to congressman stupak, himself. i know you said you accepted the apology, but the whip jim clyburn said that he should not just apologize at you, but the house. >> well, if it is not directed
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at me, then he should. we have to maintain our decorum and keep our cool under intense pressure and debate, so i think that congressman neugebauer owes the apology to the house of representatives >> do you believe he was calling you a baby killer or it is a baby killer? >> when i talked to randy today i said i thought he was directing it to me, and i was standing up to talk about the principles of life and we got the executive order to reaffirm that principle in legislation and i was pleased to vote for the legislation. >> so you didn't hear it's, but just baby killer. >> right. i just heard baby killer. >> what is that like? what went through your mind? >> just another cheap shot. i have been through a lot in the last weeks and months from both sides. >> well, the house, that is a whole different level. >> well, heck, they attacked president obama, and this is getting out of control. i wish that the republican
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leadership would talk to the members and tell them there is a proper decorum, and we set examples and you wonder with the walking back and forth with the votes and racial slurs thrown at members and when they see it on the house floor they think it is okay. but i wish that the republican leadership would pull the membership in and say, there is a proper decorum and if you can't handle it, don't be on the house floor. >> i want to talk about the executive order. would you have accepted that executive order if the president had offered it in the beginning of the process? >> well, we negotiated it out, and -- no, we had to exhaust different avenues and i tried different proposals and processes and the problem is that every time we could agree to something on the house, you need 60 votes in the senate, and we could only get 45 votes in the senate. >> who suggested the idea of the executive order and when did it come about? >> well, the conversation that rahm emanuel and i had weeks ago looking at the sense of the congress, and the joint concurrent resolutions -- all kinds of procedural ways, but
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every time we would run into a roadblock being in the senate, we could not get the 60 votes. i talked to a number of republican senators who are pro life and they said, if we do a resolution, limit it to the point, will you support us, and they said no. >> so, you do have some legal experts and folks of yours saying they are confused by your thinking on this, and they say executive orders cannot overrule the law that it takes congressional action, so does this bill that you now voted for contain federal funding for abortion in your opinion? >> the bill, but the executive order clarifies it. the executive order has the full force and effect of the law. it is interesting that you say critics, but the same crickets, when george w. bush put the executive order out for stem cell research, and remember, limit the stem cell research and the same critics said it is welcomed news and applaud it,
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and now president obama does an executive order and suddenly, it is no good, but it is. >> you are saying it trumps the law? >> i am saying, this is what it says how the administration is going to implement the law, and president obama has said as he implements the law, there will not be public funding for abortion and it is clear, the restrictions of it applies to the new law and the insured exchange right there on page two, very clear. executive odders are used all of the time. what is the most famous one, anderson cooper, is lincoln's emancipation proclamation, executive order 85 that is the most famous one we know of and they are in evident. they are okay for george bush and talking about sanctity of life, but because it is president obama it is not okay? that is a hypocrisy and afraid to say it, but it rips with hypocrisy. >> thank you, congressman stupak, for being on the show.
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and now concern grown around the country, where 11 state attorneys are trying to challenge a portion of the law requiring everyone to buy insurance. tonight, one such attorney general mark shirtleft joining us. >> well, it is way beyond congress' power. anderson n the entire history of the country, there is never a condition that citizenship requires you to buy a service or then pay a penalty if you don't do that. we believe it is not an authority granted in the constitution, and therefore in the 10th amendment, the states need to step up. >> well, from a lot of legal experts we have heard from point to the constitutional regulation commerce, and the supreme court has repeatedly ruled in support of the federal government with a broad definition of what interstate commerce is. >> well, the courts over the 100 years have expanded the reach of the federal government, however, in '95 and 2000 the supreme court has now said that the power is not unlimited. that you have to be able to establish number one that whatever you are trying to regulate is interstate commerce at the core, and two, it is not traditionally regulated by the state, and in both cases we believe that whether to insure your employees or access and no individual choice is not a mart of the interstate commerce and where it has been, it has been regulated by the states. so under lopez and morris and under cases of recent note, we think we will have the courts
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rule it is unconstitutional. >> but the federal government tells people that you have to wear a seat belt and that incurs certain costs for car manufacturers and for people who have to now have a seat belt. >> well, you still have a choice and actually for the most part, those are regulations that are state regulations. as are, you know e, the requirement to have insurance on your automobile, but you still get to choose whether to drive or not n. this case whether you access the health care system at all, whether you are self-insured and you can pay for your own, it does not matter, because they said you have the pay for it. that sun precedent and we believe under the responsibility of the 10th amendment we should step up and challenge it and have the courts rule on it. >> how long of a process and how expensive is this? >> i don't think it is real expensive and that is why we have multi-state actions. and we do this all of the time, the state attorney generals and others joining together. we hope the add some attorneys general and we think there are some democratic ags joining us, and this is not about politics, and lot of the bill is laudable, but not take talking about policy, but process, and if you do it, you need to do it in a constitutional and lawful manner and we don't believe they have when it comes to the individual
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mandate. >> "the new york times" reported a while ago that the states where the constitutional amendment has been introduced are also place where is the health industry has spent heavily on the political contributions stating that you and others have gotten a lot of contributions from the health care industry, and if so, if that is true, and if it poses a conflict of interest here? >> well, it is not something i can speak for everybody, but i can say that in this discussion it is not about political, but making sure that the process is followed. >> but you are saying this is not political and there are not a lot of democratic attorney generals signing on the this. >> did we sue when we felt they were encroaching on state's cases, and yes, there is going constitutional and lawful manner and we don't believe they have when it comes to the individual mandate. >> "the new york times" reported a while ago that the states where the constitutional amendment has been introduced are also place where is the health industry has spent
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heavily on the political contributions stating that you and others have gotten a lot of contributions from the health care industry, and if so, if that is true, and if it poses a conflict of interest here? >> well, it is not something i can speak for everybody, but i can say that in this discussion it is not about political, but making sure that the process is followed. >> but you are saying this is not political and there are not a lot of democratic attorney generals signing on the this. >> did we sue when we felt they were encroaching on state's cases, and yes, there is going to be political pressure and there are going to be some who step up, and say, this is to protect our rights and states right, and doing it for that reason alone. >> thank you, mark shurtleff. next up, former president bill clinton who tried to get
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' this bill is a fiscal frankenstein. it is a government takeover. it is not democratic. >> i consider this to be the civil rights act of the 21st century, because i do believe that this is the one fundamental right that this country has been wrestling with now for almost 100 years. i think that tonight, we took a giant step toward the establishment of a more perfect union. very different views and two different takes on the historic vote last night. bill clinton of course lost his battle to repair coprehensive health care reform, and here is his interview from haiti. >> well, the fundamental difference from now and then is that the fundamental indicators have gotten worse and people understand it.
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they filibustered it to death in the senate, and they could not do it this time. so the president who hung in there when people were telling him to pack it in, and all of the others able to work it out, and they were able to legislate and compromised and brought it through to the solution. i am thrilled. it is a great thing for america. >> well, history was made last night, but a health care battle is certainly not over. we will talk more and dig deeper with the panel. joe johns joining me with political contributor and economic strategist ed rollins. that is not paul begala. >> paul never looked so good. >> rollins has more hair. >> and dana bash, and paul begala and ed rollins a and the gang is here. paul, starting out with you, you heard from the former boss, president clinton, and tried to get the health care reform passed in the early 1990s and didn't get it through, and i was thinking of you last night, what was your reaction? >> i was moved. i really was, anderson.
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i shed blood for it, and it was a failure and one of my biggest failures of my professional life, so, to see the speaker of the house gavel it through and to see this president lift it back up and resurrect it from the dead, i was completed thrilled. something that president clinton told me that 500 years ago machiavellian said that we should bring a new order to things, because the people who will be disadvantaged from the reform know what they will lose and they will be zealous of opposing and those who have to gain, will have a promise of gain and have not lived under the gain, so they will be luke-warm in the support, and so that is why it is difficult to resurrect it, but machiavellian was right. >> you really want to quote him? >> well, it was a powerful observation about human nature. >> well, it is machiavellian of you. pardon the expression. ed rollins, where do the republicans go from here? you heard the attorney general from utah say they will fight it for constitutional grounds and others are trying to repeal it?
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>> well, the fight has begun, and it has to go with staying power and the president and the speaker and the majority leader have credit for hanging in there and to get it done, but the independents think it is important to the long-term financial health of the country, and they will continue the fight. >> but the repeal -- >> well, every year, there is a modification to the bill. if there are more republicans, it will be modifications more severe to the bill. we don't know where the bill will go in the end. i assume lit pass in the senate, but a long ways to get this in place in every household. >> what do you make of the constitutional battles, joe? >> well, it is simple when you look at the thing, there is a
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question, and people look at the thing and say, really? i am going to have to pay a penalty if i don't get insurance? what about that? well, the other half is simple if you talk to lawyers a lot of people on the democratic side says that states can order people to buy automobile insurance and therefore the government should order you the buy health insurance, and the bottom line is does the congress have enough power to do this? well, hey, congress has vast power, so, they probably are going to -- you know. >> as the attorney general pointed out, most courts have ruled for generations now that they do. dana, you heard from congressman stupak and he thought that the guy didn't say "it's a baby killer" but he was called "baby killer." what has the mood been like on capitol hill today, because it was ugly this weekend with people in the halls yelling at barney frank. >> yes, i witnessed the
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protesters and really, they were everywhere you turned, outside of the capitol is a beautiful weekend and they knew that the congressmen were going to bem back and forth in the capitol in the basements where they could be and we had unfortunate incidents. >> but we should point out these are just regular proterss and not the folks in the hall yelling the epithets, so this picture is not the one we should show when talking about that, because i don't want to give the impression it is these people, but there were clearly a lot of protests outside and inside. >> yes, congressman stupak said he believes and he is not the only one, because there are democrats and republicans today who we talked to on both sides of the aisle who said that action inside of the chamber is just unacceptable with the regard to the mood on the health care bill and what happened last night, it is really fascinating, anderson. you could almost feel it in the geography of the capitol. if you were on the house side, you can feel the relief and almost the shock that they got
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it done after everything they have been through, and as you moved across the capitol to the senate side, you could feel the tension building, because it is not over and they know on the senate side, they have a lot more work to be done. >> and when you talk about the fixes and what is coming up next, i want to talk about it with all of you and the guests throughout the hour. you heard the cheers and nancy pelosi taking the victory lap, but as dana said, it is not over by a long shot. and also, tiger woods speaking out on, well, what he did, and what he says about it now. we will be right back. when you study its engineering, its safety systems, and when you consider who will be riding with you, perhaps the question is not so much whether you can afford to drive a vehicle that is built this way but whether you can afford not to. the glk. the engineering of mercedes-benz. see your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial. ♪
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making history on health care, but what cost to the president and his party and more from the panel in a moment, but more top stories from christine roman. >> anderson, you mentioned it earlier, former president bill clinton is in haiti. to day he toured a tent city in port-au-prince with former president george w. bush. the two men are raising the fund-raising efforts for haiti following the january earthquake. president bush says he hopes that their visit reminds americans that the country needs help. in a battle watched by many, google said it will no longer
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censure searches for china. it moved the mainland site to hong kong. they have accused the government of cyber attacks and trying to limit free speech. china fired back today accusing google of violating written promises. tiger woods has given his first television interviews since the sex scandal surrounding him surfaced. woods tells the golf channel, anderson, that his actions were disgusting and that he was living a lie. listen. >> i tried to stop, but i couldn't stop. it was horrific. >> for a man who is so disciplined physically and psychologically, why couldn't you say no? >> i don't know. now as time, and being in treatment for 45 days, you strip away the denial and the rationalization and you come to the truth, and the truth is very painful at times and you stare at the person you have become
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and you become disgusted. in iceland, flames amid the frozen landscape, in this glacier, a volcano long dormant is stirring to life. these images are breathtaking. the danger is real. hundreds have been evacuated in the event that an eruption triggers massive floods. you know, anderson, since the vikings in the 9th century, they have called it the land of fire and ice but i call it a glacier in southern island, because this is how it is spelled, anderson. i don't know if you can pronounce this. >> you did want tont attempt that, did you? >> no, i am giving away the secrets, but that is why i say it is a glacier. it is eyjafjallajokull. and i went on facebook and asked if anybody from iceland could pronounce it. >> and the economy is shutting down, and now this. >> yes, a volcano. and we will see if we have
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today at this photo-op. [ applause ] >> reporter: signing the senate health care bill to send to the president. >> we are making history and progress for the american people. >> reporter: but keeping them honest, it is not over yet, until the senate passes a bill of fixes, some of the promises democrats have been making will not happen. take this one for example -- >> it will close the so-called doughnut hole in current coverage. >> reporter: the so-called doughnut hole which is a medicare loophole that makes seniors pay more out of pocket for prescription drug coverage and democrats say over and over, they closed it. >> this bill will immediately begoin close the doughnut hole for prescription medications for the seniors. >> reporter: but the bill head fod senate does not do that. it narrows the gap by $500. it is part of the yet- to-be-fixed set of fixes. and that road through reconciliation is not easy.
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marty is a top parliamentary expert, and he was a top aide for 30 years. >> in order to qualify for use, it has to affect either federal revenues or outlays, so you have to have something related to the budget of the federal government. >> reporter: so republicans are scrubbing the bill for violations and can raise unlimited objections. gop senators can also slow things down by offering unlimited amendments. amendment after amendment after amendment. and if any of the amendments pass? >> then it goes back to the house. so, you can see that is a nightmare scenario. >> a nightmare scenario, because that would once again delay the final passage of health care. dana joins us now with test are of the panel, paul begala and ed rollins and joe johns. dana, we heard from ed henry, that the president is meeting with top senate democrats and how concerned are they to get this package of fixes through?
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>> well, they think that they will get some package through, but the question is at what changes will there be and in talking to democrats tonight who know about some of the problems, they say that they actually do potentially have some problems. this kind of legislation through reconciliation usually takes months to really work out, because it is so complicated and difficult to make sure that you have everything right. republicans know that, and they have been working very hard to figure out exactly what so-called points of order to raise. anything they raise and the parliamentarian says you are right, that is a change and that means it has to go back to the house. senate democrats believe the house would pass it, but it would take longer. >> so, paul, politically, how
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does this play out for the democrats and the republicans? >> well, look, the important thing is that the big bill has pass and the president will sign it. the house has been built, and the structure is there, and now we will argue over the furniture. i know you are a big bean bag chairman, and others are like a lazy boy guy like me. but it is not as critical. the republicans have, and paone was right, they will offer unlimited amendments and the democrats have to bat 1,000 and they have to beat every single amendment. some of them will be difficult to challenge, but ift no, we are become to the house and at it again. >> we will be talking with joe johns in a minute, and ed rollins. a plunge in the polls with president obama whose polls are lower than ever, and this is right below the vote though. so we will see if he has the leverage to sell the bill to the americans right now, plus the extraordinary life of a colleague, and remembering our cnn colleague and journalist margaret moth. it's great. i eat anything that i want.
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and last night's house vote, and president obama's job approval rating had falltone a low of 46% according to the cnn opinion research poll down from 49% in february and the marks on health care were lower with 46% approved of the way he is handling the issue and 48% said they disapproved which means that president obama has his work cut out for him as he tries to sell the health care reform that congress has passed. now, over to the panel. paul, quickly, clearly, these polls are not something that the
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white house likes to see, and they were taken right before the vote, and how seriously should the democrats be taking these things? >> seriously, but i bet you that a fair number of the 58% who did disapprove are liberals who either want himd to pass it sooner or to be more liberal. those folks will come home if he does a good job to sell it, it should turn around quickly. >> and ed, you have as much, experience as anybody, and how is this going to play out? >> well, it is not an issue. you have 30 or 40 democrats vulnerable and you make the case on the stimulus, and the premise is that the democrats are going to spend our children and grandchildren's future into oblivion and that is the issue. they don't care what we say, and in the case of the polls the president has been out for two to three weeks to sell it, and every time he has been out there, the polls have dropped, so it is hard sell to go out when he doesn't have anything to give them.
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>> in terms of appealing to the independents, is this socialism argument something that has resonance or is the most -- the biggest one that will have resonance the democrats are just spending, spending, spending? >> well, particularly young people who are independent, their future is really put in jeopardy, and the spending is enormous, and they won't like the mandate and the fact that they have to have something no matter what you say, joe, and the bottom line is that you don't have to insurance in the car if you don't want to drive, but these people have to spend money, and they won't like it. they don't think that the people in congress listened to them, and the last couple of weeks of watching this and maybe a great day for the democrats, but for country watching it, it was not a great day. >> and joe n the people don't see an impact of this by the mid-term elections, that is not playing out well for the democrats? >> absolutely. you to think that there are already some democrats in the house of representatives who walked the plank last night and the fact of the matter is that people are looking closely at the democrats and
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republican-leaning districts this fall there. is also going to be a question about the flip-floppers and the people who were against it before they were for it. those people are going to come under a lot of pressure, and it is going to be up to somebody to help them, and the question is whether the president will be able to do that and it does not look like it right now. >> and dana, it will be among the most fascinating mid-term-lk shuns that we have seen in a long time and what are you hearing in capitol hill or members of congress are telling you and some of them have to be extremely worried about coming back? >> absolutely. there is no question, and that is why some of the last democrats to decide were those who were freshmen and among the new members elected from conservative districts and maybe traditionally republican districts and they just weren't sure what to do based for the difference of between what they campaigned on and what has turned out to be at this point in time a political negative for them back home. what they are hoping, these vulnerable democrats that i talked to, they are hoping that the white house and the party really does begin to, as they say, sell this, instead of defending this, but i talked to so many of them who do worry habit the narrative is set, and it could be very hard to turn that, because it is has been so long that the democrats have been on the defensive here. >> ed, have the republicans played it right, basically -- >> well, we have been unify and
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the first time we have been unified for a long time and even in the george w. bushera, so we have played it as well as we can play it and the leadership has been disciplined on the house and the senate, and there are 50 members in trouble, and there are 8 or 10 senators with real races. that is where the battlegrounds are going to b. and the extra votes that nancy pelosi gets in the district won't help some guy in a vulnerable district. >> paul, how about the republicans have played it? you clearly disagree with them, but have they played the hand well? >> well, i think that generally yes, they played a weak hand well, but this weekend those protesters calling john lewis a living saint from the civil rights movement, and those extremist and fringe could be the face of the republican movement, and that is dangerous. moderates look at those people, and they are repulsed and the base looks at the fact that they lost, they lost to the hated barack obama and they are going to be madt the republicans, too. so you will see the republicans declining, because the base is angry for losing and they hate a loser over there, and the moderate voters are going to be appalled at the language. >> i have to say, no offense, paul, republicans are outraged at the comments to john lewis. >> this is a handful of people in a large crowd. >> and they don't represent us, and they deserve to be denounced
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and they are bigots and no place for them in american politics. but our side having lost in a close race are intense and they are ready for battle in november. >> and paul, you feel that the democrats not passed this, the midterms would have been worse? >> not even close. they would have failed. they will lose seats and history dictates it, but this will prevent them from losing the house. >> thank you all. ed rollins and joe johns and dana bash, and paul begala. and next the life of a remarkable woman, margaret moth, a cnn photojournalist. her life is coming up.
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for tonight's shot, we are paying tribute to a journalist here at cnn. you may not know the name, but we want you to know about her life.
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for years she covered conflict zones and she was truly one of a kind. her name was margaret moth and in the giants in the business, she was a legend. >> who is the chain of command? >> she is this larger than life character that i was, you know, quite intimidated by before i actually met her. you know, she was this extraordinary-looking girl. she has this dark, dark hair, dark eyes, wears dark clothes, and you know what, sleeps with her combat boots on. >> reporter: she slept with her boots on in war-torn sar jere voe in case a story broke she could grab her camera and go. >> when the story broke, i knew that margaret was simply committed, passionate, dedicated and loved this job more than anything. >> reporter: she loved the job, the adventure of it all and
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cared about the truth and sought it out no matter the danger. in sarajevo, she almost lost her life, because she was shot in the face by a sniper. >> i was shot in the face and i was remember i tried to hold it on. >> she was completely enveloped in bandages and her face was unrecognizable. she was so badly wounded. and the only thing i recognized was her hand. she had distinctive strong hands. and all you could see were her two big blue bright eyes staring out. >> reporter: that brightness never dimmeden through more than a dozen surgeries and years of pain. margaret returned to work, returned to the world's front lines. she even went back to sarajevo. >> most of humanity are what i would call hurt animals. she is the antithesis of hurt animal. she is a solo artist.
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what distinguishes a non-herd animal as a human being is their demand of themselves that they go forward into darkness with their ice opened looking straight into it. >> reporter: margaret looked straight into it when she was diagnosed with cancer three years ago. she dealt with it as she did everything else, with honesty, courage, with her eyes wide open. >> so, i really would have liked to have done that a little bit more flair. so i feel if i can die with dignity then that's the main thing, you know. to me, it doesn't matter if i die in six weeks or 20 years. i don't think it matters how long you live. it is only to say i got everything out of life. >> reporter: margaret moth died sunday, at age 59. she had ridden the waves of
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history and ran toward what others ran from. she relished her life and lived so it well. i had the pleasure of working with margaret in beirut in the heady days when pro democracy was sweeping the city. and a bomb went off that night, and though she had worked that day, she grabbed the camera and said, let's go, let's go and she is an extraordinary lady with an extraordinary spirit and she has gone to the great beyond with her eyes wide open. we will right back. youtube didn't exist. and facebook was still run out of a dorm room. when we built our first hybrid, more people had landlines than cell phones, and gas was $1.75 a gallon. and now, while other luxury carmakers are building their first hybrids, lexus hybrids have traveled 5.5 billion miles. and that's quite a head start. ♪
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