volts of electricity. do it. >> it hurts? what was the line? >> i never get tired of it. >> it hurts, it's painful, but no one's dead. >> there you go. something to think about as you go to bed tonight. that's it for 360. thanks for watching. "larry king" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, spared at the 11th hour. a convicted murderer granted a stay. he almost finished his last meal. he says a dna test will prove what he said for years that he didn't kill his former girlfriend and her two children. we're live from texas with the drama that stopped a man from being put to death tonight.

then, did text messages lead to a brutal attack on a florida teen now in a coma? what the texts mean for the accused. we'll hear from a mom whose son was deliberately set on fire next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. henry hank skinner was convicted in 1995 for the murders of his live in girlfriend, twila busby and her two sons. he's maintained his innocence ever since. he sought dna evidence hoping it would reveal who he calls the real killer. as you just heard, a temporary stay was granted less than three hours ago. the supreme court ordered the stay as it considers the issue of taking up the broader appeal. joining us are brandy grisham, jason clark, for the texas department of criminal justice.

sandrine ageorges skinner and curtis mccarthy, a former death row inmate. he was exonerated by dna evidence two years ago, after spending 19 years in prison for first degree murder, and he's aided in this case. jason, you have the public information order. you were ready for the execution. did you get the word from the court to stay it? >> yes. we were notified through the attorney general's office that u.s. supreme court had issued a stay. and so we went over and did speak with mr. skinner. >> larry: he was eating his meal, i understand? >> yes, sir. he was finishing up his last meal. he had eaten most of the last meal, and he was on the phone, i

believe, with his daughter, just a few minutes prior, he was in contact with his attorney. that attorney relayed to him that the execution was stayed. >> larry: so you didn't tell him, the attorney told him? >> yes, sir. >> larry: what was his first reaction? >> you know, certainly, he was ecstatic, understandably, when we talked with him, he said that he felt like the execution was going to go through, and he was prepared for that. he said that he was weak in his knees. and at that point, he had said that, you know, he felt like he had won today and he was looking for additional dna testing to try to prove his innocence. >> larry: brandy, a reporter for "the texas tribune," this stay is only whether the court will consider it. they could technically in two days vote as a group to not consider it, right? >> that's right.

it's an indefinite stay. what the court is considering right now is whether or not they feel there is a need for them to take up and intervene in this case. >> larry: the technical question is dna was not around at the time he was convicted and he wanted to introduce it later and the lower courts denied that? is that right? >> actually, the dna was available at the time of his original trial in 1995. what happened was that at that time, his original trial attorney decided not to have that dna evidence tested. i've spoken with the original trial attorney, his name was harold comber. he's still practicing in texas. what he said was having additional dna tested at that time would further implicate skinner in this case, so he didn't ask for the testing on the evidence that skinner is now asking to be tested. >> larry: then that's the crux of the case, right?

why didn't skinner, since he's the client, why didn't he tell his lawyer i want the dna introduced? >> there's some dispute there about whether or not he did ask for the testing at the time. skinner says that he did. his attorneys have a different answer. they say that he agreed with him at the time that that testing shouldn't be done, so there's some dispute there about whether or not that testing was asked for at the time of the trial. >> larry: jason, this is probably a simpleton question, why didn't they just let him introduce it and see what happens? >> you know, we're not -- as tdcj, we don't get into the specifics of the case. that's handled through the attorney general's office. so i really couldn't answer that question. >> larry: is it puzzling to you, brandy? why didn't the lower courts, in essence, say we have a dispute here, the dna has let other

people, over 200 have gotten off death row across the united states, why not just see what it says? >> well, what the state has argued and the prosecutors in this case have argued is that hank had his chance at the time of the trial to have that evidence tested and that he didn't do so at the time, that the courts have agreed with him that that time passed and, you know, now it's time to sort of go through with what that 1995 jury decided. so that's why there hasn't been any testing at this time. >> larry: he was convicted, jason, of killing his girlfriend and her two sons. they were grown boys, right? >> that's right. >> larry: do they know what the motive was at the time, what convicted him? >> i'm not sure that they do. there was some different speculation on what exactly the motive was, but i don't know if that was clear or not. >> larry: you interviewed him, brandy.

what did he say to you? >> he said that he felt like twila busby was his soul mate, and that on the night of the murders, he was so intoxicated from this sort of cocktail of vodka and codeine that he had taken that he would have been physically unable to commit those murders. so he's never denied that he was in the house at the time of the murders, and that blood that investigators found on his clothing was that of the victims, but he says that he was so comatose. and toxicology tests prove that he was extremely intoxicated, so much so that he was unconscious -- or nearly unconscious at the time of the murders.

he says he wouldn't have been able to do the crimes he's convicted of. he says that the dna testing will show, he thinks, that someone else actually did the murders. >> larry: thank you, brandy, thank you jason. we'll hear more on this.

>> larry: joining us now, we introduced them earlier, sandrine ageorges skinner, the wife of hank skinner. i said widow, apologize, of course, she is the wife. and curtis mccarthy, the former death row inmate he was exonerated by new dna evidence two years ago. you're a french national and you met your husband while he was on death row. how did that happen? >> yes, that's correct. we met when he was on death row. i started getting involved with a unique organization that was set up by death row inmates in texas and it was run from death row at a time when they were not in isolation. it was called the lamp of hope. i started translating the newsletter. a friend said if you want to correspond, i think there's two

or three people you would get on with and hank was one of them. that was in 1996. >> larry: why would you marry someone on death row? >> it's a very long story. the marriage is really part of our personal life. i've been a long time abolitionist before i met hank and long after if he is to be executed. the reason we did marry, first of all, is because we love each other. and it's because i wanted to carry his name. we felt that if he was going to be executed, i would fight to get the dna testing done to preserve the evidence, to clear his name, to get to the truth, which at the moment, we're nowhere near. >> larry: we'll hear from hank in a minute, but curtis, how did you get involved in this? >> well, principally because i was on death row and it wasn't

until the advent of dna testing that i had any hope that i would obtain my own freedom. it took many more years, but it did happen. that's why i'm here to represent to the principle that law enforcement has a obligation to do dna testing even if there is exculpatory evidence. and let the chips fall where they may. >> larry: you're not judging hank guilty or innocent. you want the dna to be entered. >> that's correct. i think hank has a compelling case of innocence. the state of texas has an obligation, when they come before the public and say this crime is so atrocious, the man who committed it should be subjected to execution. he should lose his life for that. i believe they have an obligation to test every piece of available evidence to make sure they got the right guy. >> larry: hank's guest says he's

an innocent man. let's listen to him in his own words. >> i don't want to die for something i didn't do, as far as how i feel about it, i think about it all day everyday. how can you reconcile yourself to die for something you didn't do? it's impossible. if i were guilty, i at least had the luxury of saying this is what i get, but i don't have that luxury because i didn't do it. i'm innocent. that's all i need to say. you know, you're about to kill an innocent man. do you even care? >> larry: sandrine, you weren't there. how can you be so convinced he didn't do it? >> well, i think unfortunately, a number of media have totally misrepresented his case. it's not what he is saying or what i'm saying. the facts of the case exist to prove that the little that was tested prior to trial excluded him. the little that was tested,

thanks to daily protests, during the first conviction appeals exclude him. and it is just mind-boggling that evidence preserved from the crime scene, 15 years later, including the murder weapons, a rape kit, nail clippings from one of the victims, a male jacket that doesn't fit his size at all, with sweat, hair, dna, to this day is not tested. i mean, it's just -- i'm convinced of his innocence not because i love him and he's my husband. i'm convinced of his innocence also because of the dna issue, there is scientific forensic evidence to prove that he was not even in a state to stand up at the time of the crime, let alone murder three people that he loved. there is absolutely no motive. the only thing that got him sentenced to death was a state witness who was threatened very seriously and recanted two years later and explained how she was

threatened and withdrew her testimony at trial. that was the only thing that got him sentenced to death. >> larry: we'll discuss some other evidence. other guests are going to join us. for the record, the district attorney's office involved in this case and the governor's office is not commenting. no one wants to see an innocent man convicted. of course. >> of course. >> larry: we hope that this is resol resolved.

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curtis in huntsville, texas is the reverend maggard. and also a member of the innocence project. they have 251 inmates out of prison with dna testing. that means they were incorrectly convicted. based on some of the evidence, texas authorities say he was found close by wearing heavily bloodstained jeans and socks bearing a gash on his right hand. authorities also say blood on the shirt he was wearing at the time of the arrest was twila's and her sons. nina, isn't that incriminating? >> one thing we've learned from the innocence project is that no amount of speculation about a person's guilt can substitute for a dna test. people said a lot of the same things about curtis mccardy, one of our former clients who you

just saw who is a free man and innocent and really i think as the supreme court stay will allow us to make clear whether or not hank skinner is guilty or innocent, everyone agrees he should have an opportunity to prove that innocence through dna testing before he's executed and the ultimate punishment is carried out. >> larry: when does the court take up whether they will hear it? >> we don't know. as you alluded to earlier, it could be a matter of days, and the stay may be over, and we could be right back where we were this afternoon, which is waiting for the governor to issue a reprieve for dna testing. hopefully the supreme court will realize there are important legal issues in the case and agree to hear the case. >> larry: before we here from reverend maggard, let's hear from hank skinner. talking about the night of the crime. >> it looked like a blood bath, there was blood everywhere.

i remember when i fell i was looking sideways at her and i saw what was done to her. i knew she was dead. >> larry: reverend, how did you come to know mr. skinner? >> shortly after he was arrested, he wrote me a letter and asked me if i would correspond with him because he needed spiritual counsel and help. >> larry: and you liked him. you obviously got to like him. do you believe in his innocence? >> yes, larry. that's the reason that i'm fighting in his behalf. i don't believe in an innocent person being executed. i do believe in his actual innocence. >> larry: what is that belief based on? >> the scientific evidence. he was so drunk and drugged and bombed out of his gourd that he doesn't know what happened. it's like if we were having a surgical operation and we were

out of it. but the evidence, the scientific evidence is so convincing and so compelling that he could not have done it, and there's also evidence that another person did. and i think by following the -- you know, the clear indications of the evidence, that you can't reach another conclusion except that he is innocent. >> larry: we'll have more right after these words.

>> larry: in a moment, we'll find out what the panel thinks the supreme court will do. first, let's meet tara bradley, a friend of the victim. she says hank skinner was abusive to twila busby and her sons. >> he would be so mean and vulgar to her and tell her that she was worthless, the kids were worthless, that she wasn't worth even living. he beat her, beat the kids so badly that she was scared to death that he was going to kill her. >> larry: now, joining us on the phone is tara bradley.

what do you make of all this? are you convinced he did it, tara? >> yes, i am. i was really like to speak for twila, because twila was seeking help to get away from this man. she and her two children were on disability. her two sons were a little bit slow and she was getting an ssi check on all three of them and he would steal her money and go and buy the alcohol and drugs, where she was trying to get help to get away from him. >> larry: tara -- >> she had gotten up the courage to get away from him through speaking to me and other women

that have been abused. >> larry: wouldn't you like to see objectively, wouldn't you like to see the dna evidence so it would finally close matters? >> what he's saying now is that she was having a love affair with her uncle who is dead now, and you know, we had an attorney on tv tonight that said that any evidence that anyone else had been in that house. i know her uncle was trying to get her away from him, and he's dead now and he can't speak for himself. so his dna could be in the house, but i also know that there was hair and skin under her finger nails so if this proves not to be skinner's, i

will be truly shocked, because i have seen him abuse her. >> larry: i got you. >> and the boys. not only physically but mentally. mentally abused her. >> larry: in a tv interview, skinner had some strange things to say about the murder. let's listen to that and get the opinions of panel. watch. >> it sounds real sick, but there has been times in my life, in here, i thought to myself if it had to happen and it had to go that way, i wish i had have done it because i wouldn't have done it like that, the way it was done. you know what i'm saying? i would have let them out easy or something, you know? >> larry: i guess a little weird. nina, is your legal position you want the dna or is your position with the innocence project that he didn't do it? >> no, we don't know if mr. skinner is innocent or guilty. in fact we never know until we do a dna test.

you raised a very important point about the victim's interest in all of this, and the public's interest. given the horrible crime that was committed, if hank skinner didn't do it, that means someone else did. why shouldn't we do a simple dna that could accomplish two things. it might confirm hank skinner is guilty, in which case it will end the cloud of doubt that surrounds his execution right now. or it could raise serious questions about his innocence and potentially identify another person, whether it be the uncle or someone else. all of those are worth accomplishing before we carry out the ultimate punishment. >> larry: sandrine, do you think the court will hear the case and will decide whether dna should be used? >> well, actually, the question before the supreme court is not

whether the dna should be used in his case. the question as to the supreme court at the moment is whether first conviction and first conviction appeal process, you can go through a civil process or the habeas process only. in certain states you can use the civil pros, in other states you can use the habeas process. hank has been denied through the habeas process, dna testing. his attorneys because she is refusing to release the evidence to the current attorney for private testing. let's not forget for 15 years the defense has asked for dna testing, privately funded dna testing. it's not going to cost the state anything. why would hank be searching and asking for dna testing for so long if he's guilty? i would like to add one thing that you said that is absolutely incomplete regarding the bloodstains on his clothes. the police report, the only

police report states clearly that these are contact stains. they are not blood splatter and they exclude him as the assailant. it's an important point and i think it needs to be mentioned. >> larry: we will do a lot more on this, and we thank you all. what a puzzling, puzzling thing. a reexamination of evidence freed our next guest from prison just last month. you'll meet him after this. rboc 365-horsepower-generating, ecoboost engine in the taurus sho from ford. that has the thirst of a v6 with the thrust of a v8. the most innovative full- size sedan in america: the taurus sho, from ford. drive one.

>> larry: ryan seacrest tomorrow night, snoop dog on friday. greg taylor was 29 in september of 1991. he and an acquaintance were doing drugs on a remote dirt path in northern north carolina. as they were about to leave, greg's truck got stuck. the two men walked to a road when they saw a body. because they were high, they didn't contact police. both became suspects with greg's abandoned truck found nearby. he was convicted of murder and exonerated last month after serving 6,149 days. that's nearly two decades. christine, greg's lawyer is here. she's director of the north carolina center for actual innocence. what freed him, christine?

>> there was lots of evidence that we had to present to free him. we had to actually prove to the judges that he was innocent, not just not guilty but innocent. we showed that there was some testing that was done in 1991, some evidence that was obtained from his truck that was reported to be blood. in actuality, it was not human blood. there were some witnesses who were very questionable, snitch testimony that we had to call into question. and we had to basically relive that night with the judges. go ahead. >> larry: has the killer been found? >> not yet. we're working on it. raleigh police have reopened the investigation. we have information to share with them. we're hoping to do that next week. >> larry: what was it like for you, greg, to be in prison when you know you didn't do it? >> well, it's kind of left me

searching for a purpose, was the main thing. so the purpose that i found was to better myself throughout all those years, and to fight my case. >> larry: did you always think you would get free? >> in my darkest moments, sometimes i thought i would spend the rest of my life in prison, but for the most part, i held out the hope that the truth would prevail. >> larry: what do you make of the skinner situation we've just been talking about? >> well, i believe if there's evidence to be tested, that you know, that hasn't been tested yet, that it should be. i don't think anybody should be afraid of the truth. >> larry: do you believe, christine, that there are a lot of men like greg taylor in prison in the united states? >> i believe there are some, and that's certainly enough, so we need to do everything we can to get them out and get the true perpetrators behind bars. >> larry: do you think, christine, that the supreme court will hear the skinner matter? >> supreme court doesn't have a

great track record on these issues, but we can always hope that as they see the science proving innocence for people who are behind bars that we can have our law follow. >> larry: greg, what convicted you? >> the main thing was a jailhouse informant. that was the reason why i was brought to trial. the charges against my co-defendant were dropped. there was also the issue of the spot that was on my truck that was claimed to be blood but was later found out to be not blood. there was also some attorney issues and another witness that was suspect, as far as identification of the victim >> the real issue in his case was tunnel vision. the police -- his truck was there, the body was there, so that was pretty much case closed at that point. >> larry: your daughter was nine at the time. she's now 26. how are you doing with her, greg? >> she's fantastic.

i live with her now, i'm staying in my grandson's room, and really enjoying getting to know her and being a part of her life. >> larry: what a terrible thing to picture. i can only imagine what it must be like. thanks, greg. thanks, christine. >> thank you, sir. >> larry: two heinous crimes. one teen burned on purpose. another deliberately kicked in the head. why? next. i'm robert shapiro. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. so start your business,

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>> larry: welcome back. 15-year-old josie rattly is in a coma after being kicked in the head allegedly by a teen in steel toed boots. police say the attack was by text messages in which he threatened to snap her neck. in another case, michael brewer, a fellow student at josie's school in florida, was set on fire allegedly by a group of school mates. he jumped into a swimming pool to save himself. more than two-thirds of michael's body was burned. today he's recovering at home. michael recently went to josie's bedside hoping to encourage her. joining us are hilda rattly,

josie's mother, rick freeman, josie's attorney, and valerie brewer. let's check with hilda. how is josie doing? >> she's pretty much the same, i would say. she's got a little cough going. we don't know if that's coming actually from her. she has her -- a couple times her legs may shiver, so those are the only things. >> she's still in induced coma, larry. she has been so for seven days ever since the incident. the doctors aren't going to take her out of the induced coma until the swelling on her brain goes down. >> larry: the accused is a 15-year-old boy. is that who is accused of this? >> that's our understanding from the police reports. he's 15 years old and in custody right now. >> larry: she needs an attorney, does that mean she's planning some lawsuit.

>> when she called us it was because quite frankly the media was following them around. they wouldn't let her come out of the house. coming in and out of the hospital, and she just doesn't know how to handle the situation. and her sister knew our firm, called gordon and donner, and we said how can we help? since then, we have been trying to respond to the media requests. the community support, i will tell you, has been unbelievable and overwhelming. every single part of the nation and outside of this country, including canada, has been calling to find out where they can give, you know, to the fund that we set up at fortheinjured.com. it's amazing. >> larry: i want to show our audience a picture of josie before the attack. here's what she looked like after the attack. we warn you that this might be difficult to see.

there's josie as josie. there's josie after the attack. hilda, can you figure out, in all of your imagination, what prompted someone to do this to your daughter? >> no, i can't. i can't picture anybody want to harm josie, because josie is a loving child. she's very, very caring, very caring. she's a generous girl. she gets along with everybody. i don't know why anybody would want to hurt her. >> larry: have you seen the text messages that were sent to her threatening her? >> not at all. >> larry: have you seen them, rick? >> the detectives and the state attorney's office is not sharing that information. the rules of criminal procedure basically prohibit it until they're turned over to the defense attorneys. >> larry: is she going to recover fully, rick? >> well, the doctors are basically right now talking about it's a 24 hour by 24 hour thing.

every single day, we hope that something positive happens and eventually, they will take her out of the induced coma and then hopefully, she wakes up and hopefully her smile will be there like the picture shows, but the truth of the matter is, we just don't know. >> larry: considering the text messages, the broward county sheriff talked about some of those messages that the suspect allegedly sent out. watch this. >> she made a derogatory comment. it set him off, pushed him over the edge. he made the comment back i'm coming over there and i'm going to snap your neck. he showed no remorse after that, sent another text message to his friends saying, well, i guess i'm going to prison, i almost killed somebody. >> larry: again, we're not naming the suspect because he is 15 years old. [ female announcer ] it's lobsterfest...

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night's "larry king live." right now we check in with anderson cooper. he's ahead on ac 360. anderson, what's the lead? >> we got breaking news. concerns by democrats on capitol hill about their security. this map on sarah palin's facebook page with some gun crosshairs targeting the districts of 20 house democrats. this map was a serious point of concern for democrats who met behind closed doors today about their security. they discussed that map, a number of threats against house democrats over the past couple of days. some have been given extra security. we're keeping them honest, what's not in the health care bill that needs reforming. if something isn't done a large number of doctors could stop accepting a large number of older patients. why did they leave that out? we're keeping them honest. our series of childhood obesity continues with a 12-year-old boy who weighs 250 pounds. dr. sanjay gupta gives him a reality check. >> larry: that's anderson cooper top of the hour. back with our group, and now

valerie brewer, the mother of michael brewer. michael was the same school as josie, was dowsed with rubbing alcohol and set on fire. are they suspecting the same 15-year-old boy or is it a completely different matter? >> it's a completely different matter. >> larry: isn't it odd that these two violent acts would occur at the same school? >> yes, it is. >> larry: tell me what happened with your -- with michael. >> michael was surrounded by some boys and he was dowsed with a liquid and set on fire. he was covered 65% of his body with burns. he fought for his life. he's still recovering. he's doing wonderful, but he still has a long way to go. he just today received his eyeglasses because he had some burns to his eye, his left eye, and he couldn't see very well, but now he can see again. the doctors are very hopeful

that that will also correct itself. >> larry: he jumped in a swimming pool. that saved his life, right? >> yes, it did. >> larry: does he have any idea why this happened or who did it? >> yes, he does, but i'm not allowed to comment on the case because it's an ongoing investigation. >> larry: do you know anything, without commenting, do you know any of the boys involved? >> i do. >> you must be quite angry. >> i've made my peace with it. i pray for them everyday. as long as -- with their mothers and their fathers, their families, i pray for all of them. my son and anybody that's involved with this. >> larry: how many boys were involved?

>> they have three in custody at this time. >> larry: they spilled alcohol on your boy and set fire to him? >> yes, sir. >> larry: and you pray for them? >> yes. >> larry: rick, what is going on at that school? >> the sheriff talked about it last week. and he said that, you know, we can't keep locking up every single juvenile and throw away the key. we've got to do something before it happens, and he said, what can we do about it? it was kind of a howard beal moment, i'm as mad as hell and i don't want to take it anymore. now, we're talking about what you do do about it. you look at josie and look at her photographs and say, i'm not going to let this opportunity pass me by. i will sit down at the dinner table, i will talk to my children and i will have a teachable moment here and i will talk to them about what goes on in their school, what goes on

with their supposed friends, what goes on on facebook and myspace. you have to have serious discussions with your children. don't let this opportunity to pass you by. that's what you can do for josie and her mom. >> hilda, i understand michael's family came to the hospital yesterday to visit josie, is that right? >> yes. and it was great, because he was in my daughter's classes, two of my daughter's classes, so they knew each other. i know she would have been very happy to know that he was there, you know, supporting her. and wishing her well. >> larry: valerie, were you there? >> yes, i was. >> larry: how did it affect michael emotionally, valerie? >> he was happy to do it. he wanted to go and show josie support.

michael's a very loving child. since this has happened to him, he is more compassionate, even more than he was before, and he wanted to go and show his support to her and to the family, and to let them know that we are praying for josie and the family, and that we're here for them if they ever need anything, any kind of support or help, or a break at any time, we can come -- we can help because we understand exactly what they are going through. >> larry: hilda, is josie able to speak? >> no, she's not. my baby is not able to speak. my baby doesn't even know i'm there, anybody. >> larry: so she can't -- she's in a coma? >> yes. she's in a coma. i pray everyday, everyday that she come out of it. i want her to open those

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>> larry: hilda, i guess josie had to know what happened to michael. did she ever talk to you about his being burned? >> oh, yes. she felt so sorry for him. she can't see how anybody can do that. she says, my god, i can't even explain, how would he feel, you know. she was devastated. >> what high school was this, rick? was this deerfield beach. >> this is deerfield beach middle school, 6th, 7th and 8th grade. >> larry: deerfield beach middle school. what high school do they go on from there? >> i'm guessing it's deerfield beach high school. >> yes. >> larry: deerfield beach. >> yes.

>> larry: valerie, i understand michael recently met one of his musical idols, ozzy osbourne. how did that go? >> that was wonderful. he was so ecstatic to meet ozzy, and he was wonderful. we sat and talked to him a good hour and it was a nice visit. >> tell us a little more about josie. i understand she was quite an artist. >> yes, she is. i guess she was born with it. she picked up a pencil one day and she went for it. she's been doing it ever since. >> larry: we're showing it right now. she's terrific. >> yes. >> larry: wow! that is really beautiful. valerie, has this brought the family closer together? >> absolutely. we were a strong family before but we're even closer now. >> larry: hilda, what about you? >> can you ask me again? what was it? i'm sorry. >> larry: is the family closer? >> very close. oh, yes.

very, very close. >> larry: rick, what do you plan to do legally? >> quite frankly, we haven't even thought about it, it's been so busy the first seven days, handling everything. all we thought about is what can we do for the family. people are dropping checks off at the bank and law firm, anywhere they can, it was a matter of handling that and the media. right now, that's what we're concentrating on and praying for josie. everyday, praying for josie. >> larry: valerie, are you taking any legal action? >> i'm not allowed to comment on that but going with the state attorney's office, yes. >> larry: is michael bitter? >> no. michael has come to peace with it. he also prays about it a lot. his outlook one,