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good evening, tiger is no stranger to competition, scrutiny or pressure. so is it any surprise that he's four under par, two off the pace today, his best masters start ever? here to talk about tiger's return are two journalists who are at augusta, jim gray, the correspondent for the golf channel and doug ferguson, the golf writer with the associated press. all right, jim, frankly, were you surprised at his performance today? >> reporter: well, it's really astonishing, the man hasn't competed in 144 days, he has had all kinds of trouble brewing at home, a worldwide scandal, and he comes out here, and if he makes a few more puts, he really could be making the tournament. he was composed, he was crystal clear, he seemed to be showing very little rust, he missed some p putts that he usually would make. he seemed to be enjoying the walk, the first time around seemed to be at peace.

it's surprising but it's also surprising that we have a 50-year-old man leading the tournament, freddie couples. so it's all been a very surprising and uplifting day here at augusta national. >> larry: how do you explain despite the fact that he did things that got him terrible publicity that he was so cheered today? >> reporter: well, you know, he hasn't committed any crimes. he simply disappointed a lot of people with his behavior. and he's let down an awful lot of children by not being the role model that he had hoped he would be and that they had hoped he would be. i mean he was a great, great golfer and he proved today that he hasn't lost his game. so i think the people here are showing appreciation for their golf. i don't think that anybody's standing up here today when they're cheering him and saying geez, that's great, let's all go out and have these type of affairs and think that that's going to be the norm of life. i don't think that's what was stayed here. i think this is a respectful

place where people appreciate the golf. we all want to picasso paint. we all want to see michael angelo sculpt, we want to see tiger woods play golf. and that's what this is. and he played golf today. so i uld. misinterpret the into destruction. you build him up to tear him down and you build him up again, and he played outstanding today so you should cheer him. >> larry: a plane had a huge sign that read, "tiger did you mean bootyism? "? did you expect for stuff like that, jim? there's the sign that said "dyinger, did you mean bootyism? and jim, do you hear us?

>> reporter: i do hear you now. >> larry: we're having some connection problem, we'll come back and we'll meet two extraordinary men, steven a smith and john sadler, and we'll have an excel intellectual discussion about what occurred in georgia today. hey! increase in 6 months. pete, back it up!

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go after some easy pins. >> larry: were you surprised at the crowd's reaction to him, though? >> reporter: not really, larry, because he's been out here on monday. now he's out tuesday and out wednesday and it seems like it's back to normal in terms of his golf. i thought today was the most spontaneous reaction to it. i thought it was a little bit guarded. people were not quite sure how to react to him. earlier in the week, it just felt more natural, i think everyone was just waiting to see how he played and see how he did. >> larry: jim, is there any doubt that he's the greatest of them all? >> reporter: well, he needs to win the tigtleitles. he needs four major championships, he's befour behind jack nicholas. he's got to get to 19. that's what tiger woods says, that's what jack nicholas knows. that's what people who follow

him know. if he were to quit playing golf for the rest of his life today, there would be some in some quarters who would say he's the glaetest golfer ever but he would never have the records. >> larry: is he the best you ever saw? >> reporter: well, no, i saw jack nicholas, and as long as tiger woods is going to sajak nicholas is the best and i saw jack nicholas, i think that in this day and age, tiger woods will be the best. >> larry: doug, is he the best player you ever saw. >> reporter: a little more unfair for me, because i only saw jack when he was 46 and won his sixth green jacket. i think tiger's the best of his generation. that's the only way you can look at it. jack was the best of his, hogan was the best of his, you can go all the way, you just have to look at what you got today. >> larry: this tournament's got three more days to go, jim gray and doug ferguson. here with us now, stephen a. smith is in new york, the syndicated radio host for fox

radio, and the former nba star broadcaster and commentator on the scene, john sally. steven smith, were you surprised at the whole story today? >> not necessarily, i mean tiger woods, i consider to be the best in the world, the best i have ever seen, and the fact is he had some time off and regardless of being in the sex addiction clinic, whatever he wants to call himself being, he had plenty of time to work on his game, to practice just a little bit. i'm quite sure that he got on that golf course a little bit and worked on his game. he' focused, he knows what it takes because he's won before and he's a born winner. this is his sanctuary and he stepped up and performed, i'm not surprised at all. >> larry: john, did it surprise you. >> no, he's the greatest golfer of all time.

i called on tying tore make my sticks today, literally i'm going to learn how to play golf because i was so into what tiger woods was doing. how can you say michael jordan was the great e of all time? it's not about how much championships or how many titles. he's the great e player of all time. yes, he's the greatest player of all time. what he did today is prove what he does on the golf course has nothing to do with what he does anywhere else. >> larry: earlier this week, billy payne, the chairman of augusta national golf club was very critical of tiger and tiger responded today. listen to this and we'll get our guests' comments, watch. >> it's not simply the degree of his conduct that's so egregious here, it's the fact that he disappointed all of us and more importantly, our kids and our grandkids. our here here row did not live up to the expectations of the role model we sought for our children.

>> billy payne said some pretty tough things about you yesterday. did he say those to you firstly before he said them to all of us? did he discuss that with him. >> we did have a conversation, yes, we did. >> what did he zbla i was disappointing myself too. >> larry: billy payne except in rare circumstances being universally wrapped today. what did you think of what he said, stephen. >> he deserves it and it was embarrassing, the hypocrisy that this man exhibited by giving this speech. i can't even get into this. this is a man that ostracizes women. before tiger woods, there was a debate as to whether or not african-americans would ever be invited to augusta, for crying out loud. and this man is going to sit here and talk about how our kids are going to be disappointed and all this. it's the timing that really greats my nerves. he could have given this soliloquy, he's not a priest,

he's not the pope, but considering the sermon that he gave, he could have given it on sunday, but he chooses to wait until two days after tiger woods spoke to the media and was trying to put this past him to sit here and basically chastise the guy publicly and give him a verbal lashing and i think this was disgraceful, hypocritical and the only good things we got out of it is what we saw from campbell brown when she said he's provoked us to talk about other issues, like why women haven't been invited to augusta. >> there's been one black member that's been there for 20 years. >> but he was helping put the bags away, that's one of the only two times i agreed with stephen. when he came out and talked about our children and our grandchildren? are you kidding me? do you know what that guy probably did in his past? and i'm just sitting around thinking, people are talking about their kids and their

grandkids, charles barkley said it best, raise your kids. tiger woods should be their hero when it comes to sports. he should be their hero when he hits the ball. what he does in his personal life, this is ridiculous when people are sitting around saying this, you should have no business talking about your kids my grandkids, my grandkids grandkids, the house i had back in -- this is ridiculous. i remember when i was -- when i was paying attention to augusta and everybody was talking about going to the masters and why they named it the masters and why you couldn't have women there and when tiger first went there, i thought it was amazing when he got his first green jacket and he thanked all the guys that came before him that went through the struggle. tiger is a real role model, and he's smart enough to say that guy's right, next question. >> let's not go too far off the road here, john, i don't agree with you completely there. it's not what tiger woods has done or the extreme to which

he's purportedly or allegedly done things that need to be scrutinized. even though athletes shouldn't be role models, they are role models and there's a responsibility that comes along with it. all i'm saying is that mr. payne, mr. payne of all people shouldn't be calling him out the way that he did and the timing was disastrous, but that's entirely different than giving tiger woods a complete pass. that's all him saying. >> we also hold his feet to the fire longer than we hold anybody else. i think it's long enough. >> larry: tiger's ad for nike is polarizing, where do you stand? watch it and see for yourself next.

>> larry: joining us, donnie doich, chairman of deutsch incorporated, and david cornwell known as the cleaner, he's represented a number of athletes, among his current clients, pittsburgh steeler quarterback ben roethlisberger, he is accused, by the way of sexual assault. nike has a new tiger ad out just yesterday featuring his late father's voice, getting a lot of attention. we'll have our whole panel discuss it. watch. >> tiger, i am more prone to be inquisitive, to promote discussion. i want to find out what your thinking was, i want to find out what your feelings are, and did

you learn anything? >> larry: okay, we'll start with donnie deutsch and go around. what do you make of that, donnie? >> stunningly brilliant. genius, one of the single best pieces of advertising i have seen in a decade. what nike did in one fell swoop, instead of ignoring what went on and having him play a golf in a spot. they took the voice of god, the voice of his conscience, his father, in a very stoic way, that this man is carrying this with him. don't think that there's not a new level of consciousless, there's not a new level of rally. i think it was artfully, boldly, stunningly done. kudos to nike. >> larry: was this a clean bit of work. >> i thought the ad was brilliant as well. another thing is this was consistent or it is consistent

with tiger's statement when he said that he needed to go back to his roots, what better way than connecting him back to his father? on the 17th green, i was sitting next to tiger's mother and phil knight and phil knight is clearly pleased with this ad and proud of it. i think they did a great job. >> larry: and what do you think, mr. sally? >> i think it was brilliant just like donnie said. it got to the point, the only people that are in his head really when you come down to it is his backbone of his family, his mother, his father, hiss wife, his children. >> larry: isn't it a little weird, though, the voice of a dead person? >> i have watched movies of people who have passed and i have seen some things when you show it. >> larry: let's see if steven makes this a complete agreement. >> i do think it was absolutely brilliant, but what a lot of people fail to recognize, you've got some people who sit around and talk about how, you know what? it's kind of creepy or what have

you. all of us have loved ones, some alive and some who have passed away that we hear them talking to us in key pivotal moments in your lives. i ran into oprah winfrey today, she asked me the same question, i said, listen, he's talking, his father was talking to him, that is what he hears himself, he hears his father talking to him, giving him counsel in his time of need. all of us go through that at some point, in a pivotal time in our life and i think it was apropos and i think that tiger wasn't looking to run for this issue for a change. he was willing to tackle it head on and recognize and say to the world, listen, i know what i've done, i have manned up, i have owned up finally, let's move forward. >> larry: jimmy kimmel had a lot of fun with this last night on his show based on the ad, watch. >> there's another commercial premiering tomorrow, another tiger woods commercial this one featuring the voice of his

mother. >> tiger, what the [ bleep ] were you thinking? you stupid, stupid boy. always using your [ bleep ] instead of your brain. didn't i always tell you not to sleep with [ bleep ]? you're a [ bleep ]! >> larry: all right, donnie, that was a little brilliant, kwunt wasn't it, donnie. >> watching his mea culpa, i was more afraid of his mother than any woman in the history of the plant. whether they used his father or not, the important thing for nike, they had to say to their audience, to the people that buy their stuff, you know what? yes, we're sticking with him, but we're not blind to what went on. we have to pay homage to people who have had major issues with them. but whether they did this ad or not, there's not one less man buying tiger's golf clubs, john

mentioned earlier the charles barkley ad, he's not a role model because of any other reason than that. let's grow up and understand that. >> let's also make sure to mention this about nike, let's not completely absolve them and treat them as they're pure as the fallen snow, for crying out. nike not only recognize that their message is consistent, but it also helps them appeal to a lot of aspiring athletes or future stars in various sports because when you stand by tying never thismanner, particularly what he's going through right now, it helps you ingratiate yourself with future stars. >> larry: stephen sees motive in all things. we'll be back with our panel.

>> larry: david corn well, we have been kidding around a lot about this, there's some humor in it. but seriously, can he return all the way to good graces where in two years this is forgotten? okay we lost the signal to augusta. again there's a terrible -- i'll

ask steven smith -- let's go to john sally this time around. can you put it away? >> i always say they own bit wait people in this world now. there's always something they can grab on to. people are backing kobe, people are not even talking about it. they're going to say now that we know that tiger used to like sex. but they're going to get past this whole problem of people putting something on him. he's a golfer. >> larry: donnie, do you think he'll get past this? >> he'll be bigger than ever, because the story we love after taking someone down is bringing them back. the one knock on this guy is you can say he wasn't human? and this has made him human. what he did half the people in the world do, it's not right, but as long as he kind of repents, i'm not sitting in judgment, but walks the straight line, can your research people check and see if there's any jews in augusta?

i was so violated and disgusted by his speech, the way he was bashing tiger. >> there's a jewish guy that left, they hooked up. he had the last seat so i couldn't get on the plane. >> larry: stephen? >> i would like to ask the same question, it's the big elephant in the world since john and donnie missed out on it. the men have forgiven him, the women probably never will. >> the men were never mad at him. >> that's what i meant. >> the men have no problem with it. >> the women on "the view" agree with you, steve. because they wanted to get on "the view". the deal is women love a gangster, they love the bad boy. >> relax, first of all, john -- >> larry: stephen, go, and then -- >> more importantly, you're going to have a lot of women who are going to have a problem with him.

the men as a result are going to pretend to have a problem with him because they don't want to alienate the women in their lives? >> but the products he sells, video games, golf clubs, it's all men, it doesn't matter. they don't care. >> i was just answering larry's question, that's all. >> this is a whole new thing, this should be a viagra show. >> larry: i'm losing control here. >> can tiger -- now let's get to the sports aspect, can he win this tournament, john. >> yes, he's going to win this tournament. this is going to be the greatest -- he's going to win this tournament. i'm watching, everyone -- it's thursday, no one ever watches during the week or pays attention to it. this is the best weekend, i'm watching golf this weekend. >> larry: can he win it, stephen? >> i don't think there's any question, if he's within two

shots come saturday, i think that palms are going to get sweaty, people are going to get nervous because they know tiger is coming and tiger is going to turn it on. because if he can get through the first day, every day is going to get that much easier for him. if he's within two shots come saturday afternoon, look out, he's taking the tournament. . >> larry: donnie, can he win it? >> of course. here's the one thing that i -- people go, wow, he's playing golf, he's great again. he's playing great, why wouldn't he be? he went through a scandal, this is what he does for a living. this is his safe haven. i wouldn't expect anything different. why wouldn't he be playing great golf right now? ♪ client comes in and they have a box. and inside that box is their financial life. people wake up and realize i better start doing something. we open up that box. we organize it. and we make decisions. we really are here to help you. they look back and think, "wow. i never thought i could do this."

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control of the putter. that's going to be the key, how well he putts through the rest of the tournament and the course is just going to get harder. >> larry: by the way, david, is bender roethlisberger going to come out okay? >> reporter: well, we certainly hope so, and there's good reason to believe so. the case has been turned over to make a decision whether or not to charge ben, we don't know when that will happen, but we're hopeful for a good result. >> larry: all right, how far does this thing go? does the tiger woods thing eventually die down and he just becomes the great player tiger woods and we don't talk about. >> it no, i think he's always going to show up on vh1 when they talk about scandals, but he's still going to be known as a great, great player. and he's still going to be known as a great golfer and that should be all he should be known as. >> larry: were you shocked to learn about tiger the other side of tiger that no one knew?

are you shocked by the other side of this story? >> i'm never shocked by these things because when you're that young and your that wealthy and you're that famous, you're going to fall prey to that at some point in time. i think one of the things that we all have bypassed and it came back to my memory when his father earl woods was heard in this commercial, was the fact that his father came out and was quoted as saying, he didn't think tiger should get married, he thought he was too young. he thought there were things that he just wasn't ready for. i think people forget that, because we want our stars to come across as all wholesome and other stuff. i'm telling you right now that this might go on that tiger becomes a great golfer and he is a great golfer, he can win, and he can guest past this, even though he'll always be mentioned on vh1, but at some point if he decides or elin decides or one

to the other decides to get a divorce, then we will revisit all this again. >> can we stop being shocked that famous people like women? when we go out of stadium, the women would be lined up. i'm not saying it's right, can we stop acting shocked when politicians, when athletes, when billion areas like because they have access -- >> i'm saying men. >> chris rock has got the joke that sometimes you can line up how much men fool around by what their options are. and obviously a billionaire athlete by tiger woods has got a lot of options. so let's stop being shocked, we should be shocked if it didn't happen. we want to see the guy win the masters, i don't care what he does with his other putter. >> like you said, if he gets more control of his putter, he

would shoot better. >> larry: do you think he's learned his lesson? do you think tiger will be clean from now on. >> i have said it on your show weeks ago, months ago, i'll repeat it again just in case you didn't remember. whether the number 7, 11, 13, 16, 19 or whatever number a lot of women, or whatever amount of women he had, you don't go from that to zero, i don't care what anybody says, yes for the time being he's behaving himself, yes because of the situation he's in, he cares about his family and what have you, but the reality is you are who you are, when you get to that point and you feel the need to have that women, you may slow down a little bit, but ultimately you're not going to stop completely, it just doesn't happen when you're that prolific and i don't mean that in a positive way. >> larry: i'm going to get one more break, come back with this panel and then we'll come back with laura are schlesinger.

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>> larry: and bad weather in augusta has caused us to lose david cornwell, we thank him for

being with us. in speaking if tiger will return to bad ways, you were nodding your head viciously no. >> you're right, i was viciously because steven's obviously speaking from experience, but you can't really say what somebody else is doing, you can't really go and put that on somebody. it's not fair that you're going to go and put a stamp on somebody, you're this and you can't change. >> by the way, let's stop caring, let's stop caring whether he does or not. tiger woods doesn't exist in my consciousness because of what he does or doesn't do with women. the only reason he exists in my consciousness is to play golf. i don't give a damn what he does when he's not playing golf. >> the man asked me a question, i gave him an answer, he didn't ask us to come on and express how we don't care. >> john, hold on -- >> stephen --

>> you look at john and you say -- >> what i'm saying is we don't care. >> what i'm saying is the man asked me a question and i don't believe that you go from that many women to zero. >> i don't care if he does or don't. >> but i answered the question. you're here, you obviously care enough to answer. >> this time he's going to be smarter. he's going to go to people -- if he needs whatever he needs, if na's what that's what he needs to make him be who he is, if that's his muse, he'll just pick them better. >> oh, he's going to pick them better now? >> even to this point, this is what everybody is pushing at this point and it is so funny. if that's the advice or that's his story, and he said it right when he's talking about great men. i've been watching four show for every and i've been watching "jerry springer" "maury" and all these shows. i have seen not very many

professional people, i see toothless men and women. >> larry: who mentioned maury povitch? >> because i'm trying to learn how to be a host and then i started watching you. next on "larry king." >> who it's your tv daddy, who do you really want to get money from. >> larry: thanks, guys. on this serious topic -- i tell you what -- >> this man's wearing hot clothing. >> it's purple. in hd. >> larry: we will have this panel because i am basically a masochist. john salley and donny deutsch, dr. laura is here and she will try toanalyze all of this. she's next, don't go away. get inside each. and see what you find.

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>> larry: before we go to dr. laura schlesinger from santa barbara, let's go to new york and anderson cooper, give us a clue as to what's coming up at the top of the hour? tonight on "360" warns

teachers that teaching sex education may be a crime if they teach a new state government mandated sex ed course, the state government says they can be arrested and serve up to six years in prison. how did this happen? we're keeping them honest. a republican, democrat or a tea partier. action was taken to bring a third political party to power, with sarah palin playing a prominent role. and port-au-prince, with a potential disaster in the making. we'll talk with sean penn about the situation, those stories and a lot more tonight on "360. >> larry: dr. laura sleshchlesi, here to talk about bullying, three teenaged girls in massachusetts have pled not guilty today to charges that they bullied their class mate

15-year-old feebie prince who committed suicide earlier this year, three others are also involved in the case. it's opened a flood of opinion about bullying in school. what do you make of this story? >> frankly i'm pretty glad that somebody is taking this very seriously finally. because the type of bullying that has evolved using the internet, and physical violence and threats and ganging up as just escalated to an outrageous, it was not on harassment, it was not even bullying, this was persecution, that killing herself was her choice of options and i'm very sad that is not their fault, but they drove her to a place where she thought there was no hope, her mother evidently had gone to the school, teachers had seen it, other kids had seen it. and i have a point to make about that in a moment. >> you were bullied, am i

correct, you were bullied as a kid? >> yeah, pretty severely when we moved into this neighborhood on long island. it was mostly one religious persuasion there and my mother was a nice italian catholic, a drop dead gorgeous woman from italy and she was married to a jewish man and that's a bad thing. and i really took the grief for that because they would say horrendous things about my mother and i would defend her and i got in fistfights and thrown down a flight of stairs. i had my fun, i certainly understand what that torment is like, but it wasn't as long lasting and as intense. >> larry: what was the point you said you wanted to make? >> well t point i wanted to make was, i put all the parents in that school on a kind of trial. because we don't raise our

children with the moral value to stand in between the innocent and evil. a lot of kids saw it, they watched it happen in front of them, they didn't physically get between these kids, they didn't stand up to them and say you should stop doing this, they didn't go snitch, they let it happen. they twittered. they put it on their facebooks, they used it as entertainment like throwing christians to the lions. this was pretty insidious that a whole school full of children stood by and watched this happen, not only to this girl, but to other kids. so my word to the parents is that they have an ultimate responsibility to raise their children to do that. i remember my kid came home from school one time and said i'm in serious trouble, you have to go see the principal? what happened? i got in a fist fight. i said how did it start? he was picking on some small kid and i got in a fistfight.

so i sent my husband in to talk to the principal because i he c. but i told my son i was very proud of him and, of course, now my son's in the military doing it on a bigger scale. but we need to raise our kids to not stand by like little cowards, afraid that somebody's going to turn on them. we have to protect each other. >> larry: why do you think parents and the like look away? why? >> i think we have more broken homes and shackups and remarriages and a lot of guilty parents, two full-time career parents, not very involved, don't want to know, can't be bothered, and just get their guilt turned into sort of an arrogant defensiveness when a teacher calls and says, you know, your kid's doing something wrong. not my kid. you punish my kid and i'm going to sue. you have parents suing when kids are sent home with very inappropriate t-shirts with bad sayings on them. you have this arrogance and lack

of responsibility because of the whole concept of a moral fabric that we have a moral obligation to each other as a community. that's kind of gone. >> larry: how did you react when you were bullied? what scar, if any, did it leave on you? >> i cried. i was hurt. i would tell my parents. my father would go talk to some of the kids' parents. sometimes something would happen from it. sometimes not. and eventually it just sort of faded into oblivion. i became very, i think, centered in myself. i learned how to entertain myself, study by myself, do crafts and things by myself. i became very self-supporting and very careful about making friendships and still not that comfortable in groups. but, you know, in terms of me being hostile or angry about it, no. i mean, i don't have any -- i don't have any lingering

hostilities, but i am very hostile at the parents and the kids who stand by and let this stuff happen. i mean, we're putting those kids on trial. i hope they get convicted of something because the more we elevate the consequences, the less likely these things are going to happen. but larry, you have to think about it. these kids are taught by us to be nasty. i mean, even "american idol," you have judges that say nasty things to the people who are out there trying their best. we have reality television. and what's the exciting part of reality television? when people are nasty to each other, and it's mean. so much of what you hear on radio -- >> larry: good point. >> -- on television, in music and on the internet is all mean. we have raised our children to believe mean is the norm. we really shouldn't be surprised. but we have to stop it. >> larry: good point. as we know, not all teens behave badly. case in point is our "cnn hero" of the week. a big-hearted bookwoman who

helps abused children. mckenzie lives with an agonizing and incurable disease but spends the time easing the pain of others by helping share her form of relief, reading. and she's only 16. watch. >> i was in the fifth grade when i hurt my knee. >> ready? >> yeah, i'm ready. >> when something touches it, it's like a bomb goes off in my knee. the only thing able to get my mind off the pain was reading. >> do you guys like to read? >> my pediatrician told me about a home for abused children. any child being in pain like this, they need something and something that i knew that helped me was books. thank you so much for donating. my original goal was to get 300 books. before i knew it, i had 3,000 books. my total right now is 38,000 books. and i've delivered books to libraries and reading rooms in

27 different shelters in 6 states. take as many books as you want. if one child finds the love of reading through books that i've given them, then that will turn their life around entirely. i really think that reading can do that for someone. >> larry: mackenzie's given nearly 40,000 books to kids in 6 states. mackenzie, we applaud you. you're a terrific kid. got a hero of your own? nominate them at cnn.com/heroes. back with more of dr. laura after this.

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the word "bullying" is probably not even accurate. i mean, really, when you look at what happened with her, it's persecution. i mean, this thing was a hate crime. >> larry: we have a twitter, a tweet question for dr. laura. should schools reinstate corporal punishment? should teachers be given more power in circumstances like this? >> more power but not corporal punishment. i think these kids should be shamed. i remember when i was in college and a teacher caught a kid cheating, took him by the hand where he had answers to questions and took him to the front of the classroom and shamed him in front of anybody. i doubt he ever did that again. teachers are terrified. our kids are very spoiled. i mean, they get computers in kindergartens. they get ipods and cell phones all the way through. you know, when they graduate

high school, they get sent to aruba. i mean, we have just such spoiled-brat kids who have foul mouths. they sexually act out. our kids are out of control. and the teachers don't have control because the superintendents and the principals don't back them because parents sue instead of taking on parental responsibility for their arrogant children. >> larry: another tweet. how can we prevent our children from becoming bullies? >> one of the things you can do to prevent your kid from becoming a bully is when they act out in any inappropriate way of dominating or humiliating, that their consequences are severe. and so many parents -- i tell you, i tell parents, you know, the prior generation or the one before that would take the kid behind the barn with a switch. and you're asking me if you should take away their cell phone? that's the biggest consequence you can think of? so parents have to take back the responsibility of being leaders

and parents, for god's sake. >> larry: by the way, laura, have you got another book coming? you always have a book coming. >> yeah, i got a book coming out in september. lord, i had fun writing this one. >> larry: it is what? >> it's called "surviving shark attacks on land." it's a book about dealing with betrayal and revenge. i can't wait for you to talk to me when that one comes out. >> larry: you take off on harvey mckay's swim with the sharks. that was a business book. this is a book about a different kind of shark. >> the person who betrays and undermines and how you deal with betrayal and revenge. revenge is mostly sweet in your mind. it's not that sweet when you execute it. >> larry: yeah, you're right. thanks, laura. always good seeing you. >> thank you. >> larry: dr. laura schlesinger. the internationally