moment. at the 18th hole of the masters. it started when phil mickelson made a bird dwroi clinch his third augusta national win, a triumphant moment made sweeter by the presence of his wife amy diagnosed with breast cancer 11 months ago. she stayed in bed most of the week. even her husband wasn't sure if she'd be there until he sank that winning putt and turned to find her in the crowd. sim will hug that says more about commitment and character than any tv commercial ever could. that's it for us, "larry king live" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, cona's back and he's on tbs. o'brien returns to late night and cutthroat competition with a deal that took all of tv surprise. and could a "survivor" producer be charged with the murder of his wife.

she died a disappeared while on vacation in cancun. and then a 7-year-old boy is sent pack ago lone on a plane back to russia after his adoptive mom had enough of him. who's to blame here next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening, conan o'brien is announcing he'll have his own show on tbs beginning in november. we should note that tbs is oenld by time warner, cnn's parent company. so conan and i now work for the same people, as is george lopez who currently occupies the 11 p.m. time slot. he'll move to midnight. and he's happy to do so to accommodate conan. here to talk about the decision that may surprise many are bill carter, national media reporter for "the new york times." he's in eugene, oregon covering

the first night of conan's two-month nationwide comedy tour. lyn et rice is here, senior writer for entertainment weekly, and lauren sanchez returns, correspondent for "extra." here is how conan o'brien made the announcement today. he said, "the good news, i'll be doing a show on tbs start unwilling november. the bad news: i'll be playing rudy on the all new cosby show." by the way, bill cosby will be here tomorrow night. okay, lauren, what happened here? >> well, you know what? it's gay day to be conan o'brien, obviously. he inked a deal with tbs that will pay him $10 million a year and, by the way, he owns the show. which means he's going to make millions of dollars on the back end as well. now there's three really interesting things about this deal. one, it was fast and furious which you know, larry, never happens in hollywood. >> larry: we have the same agent. >> two, it was very private which also never happens in

hollywood. three, it never would have happened without the blessing of george lopez. "extra" learned that lopez called conan personally and said do this deal. i'm okay with it. because as you just said, he currently occupies that 11:00 time slot. but it's a win-win for everyone. tbs, conan and george who has a successful show but now will have the lead in of conan. >> larry: and tbs in 95% of the homes. what do you make of this? zbln paper, it doesn't look as sexy as saying you're working for a broadcast network like fox. and this deal wouldn't have been made possible had they been able to work a deal with fox. fox had the problem of trying to convince the stations to clear the 11:00 time slots. but it's cool. because if you look at somebody like john stewart, they don't have the big tent ratings that a jay leno or david letterman have. they sweep the emmys every year. critics like us love them. it is a great job.

>> larry: and i'll have a lot more leeway. >> yes. they insist he can do whatever he wants there. he can get as edgy as possible. low pressure here's what conan had to stay. in three months i've gone from network to television to twitter to performing live in theaters an now i'm headed to basic cable. my plan is working perfectly. in other words, next will be a local show in des moines. >> you never know. you know what? they're going to pay him that much money, i'm sure he'd go. he also got $40 million from nbc when he left. and now he's making millions more. and another thing, this kind of shows what type of guy conan is. when he left, he said i really need to take care of the people that moved from new york to l.a. to do this show. he made sure they got great exit deals. and now he's going to -- the show is going to be based in l.a. and he said he's going to bring a lot of those staff members back with him. so, yeah, he's a really good guy. i think the great place for him to be creative and have, you know, it's cable. you get to have a little more

fun. >> larry: and he has a half hour jump on me, leno and letterman. how is he going to do? >> i think he'll do well. he'll definitely get that younger dem graphic that, george lopez already achieves. i mean supposed -- >> larry: he has the best demographic. >> an average age 33. i don't think the broadcast networks view conan as a threat. it's been established who is the leader in late night. we already know who everybody watches. we know now that they're back to watching leno. and they like david letterman as number. two and then kimmel third. dispute a huge push that they gave for conan o'brien, he wasn't able to recapture the leno ratings. i don't think they look at him as a threat. >> but he's up against no one. >> exactly. it's not about ratings for cable. it's about, you know, what type of audience you're going to get. he's going to get that younger audience. you have to remember, leno has great numbers. but his audience is getting

older. and now -- >> larry: by ten years. >> and now conan has this young audience. he started twittering and got massive amount of followers, young followers. now they're going to follow him to tbs which is unbelievable. that's what you want. you want the young viewers. >> tbs is digging the fact they got a couple of 40 plus men now like george and now conan entertaining 20, 30-somethings. that is a cool thing. >> larry: does he keep match one and the whole crew, there the band and snefrg. >> yes. i think he's going to keep the whole crew. >> jeff ross, the ep. >> the key is if they get andy richter. there is a lot of people that love that man. >> there's no word yet. and he owns it. he owns the show. incredible. >> larry: it starts when? >> november. he'll have the promotional push off the baseball playoffs which will be a good thing. if they start in september stleshgs to preempt it. start it after baseball. >> tbs is going to spend a lot of money on promotion. they don't have an exact start date. they said november. >> larry: bill carter now joined

us from eugene, oregon. he's there to be around for conan's opening night. he opens tonight, right? >> that's right. this is his first night, larry, here in sunny eugene. just started to rain. >> larry: and how many -- how much time are you going to spend on this tour? you are doing a one-night coverage and then back to new york? >> i'll do this one. i'll probably do l.a. and then new york. but i thought i should come to the first one and see the scene and everything. >> larry: all right. you're always in on the know. you are surprised by this? >> i was surprised it happened. there was no glimmer or hint this was going on. frankly, i thought the fox thing was really the best and only option it seemed for conan to be competitive. but i think tbs came up with a very aggressive offer and fox was not really moving forward with the offer. so it happened really fast. but it does surprise me in a way. i didn't think he would jump to cable. i thought he would want to stay on network and be one of network

players. >> larry: well now he's part of our family, the time warner group. how's he going to do, do you think? larry, i missed that question. >> larry: i said he's now part of the time warner group making him a sister to our setup here at cnn. how do you think he's going to do? >> well, it's going to be interesting. because instead of competing against, you know, david letterman, he's not going to be competing really against john stewart and stephen he could bare who established themselves as the cable guys on late night. so it's more, you know, a very young crowd split up in a lot of different ways. that is conan's audience and the audience on comedy central. i expect him to do well. he probably won't have to worry about, you know, big numbers. i think he'll do a good, young audience. he'll be very free, creatively free to do what he wants to do without a lot of interference from, you know, what he used to have at the network. >> larry: we'll be back with

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conan o'brien said he sent a letter and said wouldn't move to 126789. 05 to make room for jay leno at 11:35. latinos have no problems being told to come into work a half hour later. what? >> larry: all right. are you surprised that george lopez completely agreed with this move to go back a half hour later? >> i'm not surprised. i think having a lead in like

conan is going to be incredible for him. i mean he's enjoyed some press. he is starting this new late night talk show on tbs. but it's not getting the press that late night stars are getting. conan got when he left fox. now with conan coming in, there is going to be so much more attention not only on conan but on what george is doing afterwards. i mean it's a huge boom for the whole line. >> larry: don't you think fox was aggressive here? >> i think fox was being as gresive as they could be. they were just moving like so s. tbs came in and swiped him up. you have to remember the logistics of fox bringing conan was a lot and hard. he would only be on 60% of the -- of the country, because they already had sitcoms in that place. so his ratings probably wouldn't be as successful as they'd like them to be in the beginning. >> larry: bill carter, isn't all this inside baseball? in other words, the family in des moines, they don't know what the ratings are. they just know what they like.

and, frankly, there's no difference today between cable and network, is there? it's either channel 14 or channel 100. >> for the most part. tbs is in 80% of homes which is basically full coverage. frankly, more than conan would have had at fox to begin w that's appealing for him. you're right. it's true that cable is an equalizer. and now also people watch -- especially the young audience -- are watching online. conan will be accessible as he was on the network. >> larry: are you betting, bill that, he'll do very well at 11:00? >> you know, i'm sure he's going to do well. it's going to be hard to judge in terms of if we want to look at what he used to do on t"the tonight show". i think he'll be very free. i think his show will be better. that's what i think will be better. i think the show is going to be freer and much like it was the last week when he just let it go and really performed at a really high level. i think you'll see much more of that from conan on tbs. >> larry: so he'll be more edgy?

>> i think so. i think he'll -- there is nothing really to hold him back really on cable. he'll have a much more free and open style than did he. you know, "the tonight show" he had to try to taylor it to a really mass audience which he really wasn't getting. he was getting about two million less than leno got. so here he s i think he can say here is my poor audience. i'm going to speak to them. i'll be as wild and crazy and creative as i can be. >> larry: we'll be back with more moments with bill carter and lauren sanchez and lynette rice. [ female announcer ] it's lobsterfest...

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fixodent and forget it. >> larry: and now with willie on friday night, two great song writers told me the other day he's the best singer alive, willie nelson. bill carter, he's with the "new york times" national needa reporter. he's in eugene, oregon, because tonight conan o'brien's tour starts. it is title legally prohibit frif being funny on television tour. the first time he's ever done standup in theaters. lynette rice is with entertainment weekly and lauren sanchez is with "extra". what about his lead in, lauren. his lead in is what on tbs?

>> "family guy." it's the perfect lead in. it's a half hour. it's a perfect lead in for conan o'brien. i believe it's a half hour. it's that younger audience. it's comedy. it's funny. i mean it's a perfect lead for him. it has a huge audience. and another big thing about conan going to, as he said, basic cable, "extra" learned that his budget for the show is going to be the same as it was at nbc. so that is pretty good. that's pretty good for basic cable. not so bad. >> larry: what about where he's going to do the show from, lynette? >> they're saying he'll be in l.a. he'll be able to retain that staff he had before. the key is where. i mean there's a suite opening back at the universal lot where he shot the last show. >> larry: could rent from nbc. >> that would be so nice from them. >> larry: bill mahr rents from cbs. >> i wonder if he'd like to go there. >> no, i don't think so. i mean, you know, you go where

you go. >> larry: mr. carter, you're the dean of this group. where will he broadcast from? >> i would bet not from the nbc studios. but not because he wouldn't like it. i think nbc might feel, and i think that i've already heard that they're not that comfortable with the idea. frankly, if no one else rents it, they would be silly not to rent it to him. i bet he would look for space elsewhere. that's my expectation. >> larry: so bill, in television circles, would you call this a major surprise? >> yeah, i would. and i did write it that way. i feel like, you know, it's very hard these days to keep anything quiet at all. and all we heard was that fox was still talking to him. and they were. and tbs very quietly came in around the side door. i didn't really expect that. because when the possibilities were laid out, it didn't seem that this was where he would wind up. and tbs, you know, tbs has not had a real hit show of its own before. and now they have a guy who's

been the signature star of the people under 40, let's say and late night for the last ten years. that's a big coup for them. >> larry: tbs and tnt, their hits are best of all -- baseball, tbs gets the playoffs. >> that's right. and that will help conan, too. it will give him exposure. >> have you interviewed phil kent? tbs answers to him in the know man clay sure nomenclature. he is giving you information for the story? >> i spoke with steve koonan, head of turner entertainment. he met with conan personally and he also spoke to george lopez and said this is a good idea for you to move back an hour and george agreed. >> larry: so how big is it to you, lynette. is entertainment weekly going cover with this? >> absolutely. we try to go after the viewers that he tries to appeal to, younger demographic.

we already have somebody up there alongside bill carter watching his comedy act tonight. we'll definitely cover it. it's going to be a great story. if anything, it will definitely trump what the networks are doing. it will steal all attention away from leno and letterman. >> "extra" will have wall to wall coverage of this. >> larry: you'll have a pictures of his cousin watching tbs. >> that's tomorrow. you know what? george lopez said, i thought, a great quote. it's the beginning of a new era in late night come dichlt maybe it really is. i like that. >> larry: thank you all very much. bill carter, as always. lynette rice and lauren you're going to stick around. did a former "survivor" produce ver anything to do with his wife's death in cancun? dog the bounty hunter will be here, too. oh sure, we have plenty of employees that...

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>> larry: a tv producer who one time worked on "survivor" is questioned in the death of his wife who disappeared during their vacation in cancun. and then she turned up dead. bruce barisford redman is free.

his wife, monica's body was found in a sewer. "extra's" lauren sanchez remains us with. and dog the bounty hunter is here. his new book, "where mercy is shown, mercy is given." there you see the cover. we'll talk to dog in a couple moments. but quick questions for lauren. what is the latest? >> this is what they're saying. he and his wife went to this posh resort in mexico to try and repair their relationship. allegedly he cheated on her. they brought their two kids. and they were trying to reconcile. sources are saying they were fighting and people saw them arguing and he tried to hit her. and then after that, no one saw her and then two days later she was found in a sewer strangled. and he is the prime suspect in

this. >> larry: he's no longer with "survivor"? >> no. he was a senior producer on "survivor." they're saying that he -- that he is going to be charged with this. charge is imminent right now. >> larry: they have to come up with forensic proof. >> they're waiting for the forensics on. this. >> larry: and in mexico, they can hold you without charges? >> they can hold you without charges. and another thing that we have learned is that he has hired a high profile defense attorney. and that's what you were talking about with dog that he has hired an attorney that he's very familiar with. >> larry: he's familiar with mexico? >> yes. >> larry: there's a lot of crime in mexico. >> a lot of crime, yes. well, you know, we're hearing about all the crime and all the, you know, drugs that's going on right now. but that's also on the u.s. border between mexico. but cancun, you know, the cancun area -- they were out of posh private resort. so there is a lot of questions that still need answered in this

one. >> larry: is he still back in television working? >> we don't know that right now. i don't know if he's still in television. >> larry: thanks, lauren. lauren sanchez, special correspondent for "extra." joining me is dwayne "dog" chapman. the suspect has been confirmed with mexican attorney eduardo amarinec. what do you know about him, dog? >> eduardo is my attorney for the case that i had in mexico. i would say not just because he won my case but we checked, you know, throughout mexico, the whole country and he was recommended to be the one of the best and turned out to be one of the best attorneys, you know, he's out of mexico city. but i talked to him today. he said that he had, you know, talked with this defendant but hasn't actually been retained yet. but he is waiting. he went to extensive talk with him yesterday. so if the guy needs a good

lawyer, you know, this is the guy to get from mexico. >> larry: where is he based, the attorney? is he based in mexico? >> yes, sir, he's based out of mexico city, layery. he's based right there. >> larry: you would say, dog, on your law experience if and around the criminal courts and endeavors that it doesn't look good for the suspect if he can be called that? >> well, one of the main things in mexico that we don't have here, in america you have the presumption of innocence before you're found guilty. in mexico, you're guilty and you have to prove you're innocent. there's no bail for murder. so if he's charged with murder, they'll hold him there. the system goes a lot faster if you are sentenced and found guilty for murder, there's no death penalty in mexico. and there's not a sentence over 50 years. they believe that's inhumane. so he's got one of the greatest attorneys there. there must be something.

usually when you go to mexico, larry, when you're visiting there, you become a citizen. so they consider that a citizen of mexico was murdered. the guy probably be in jail right now unless there is some kind of evidence that, you know, they're really trying to confirm. so it could go either way. you got to have a great attorney that knows his surrounding and he picked the right one. >> larry: if you're visiting you're a citizen? >> well, when you -- once you cross the border into mexico, you become a mexico citizen even if you're a visitor. so all the laws are the same as to you as a citizen. so, you know, which too bad we don't do that here. >> larry: we'll be back with dwayne "dog" chapman and more on this puzzling story.

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what would you say to him? >> well, you know, mexico does a thorough investigation, larry, right before they charge you. so if he's guilty, you know, he's got a problem whether you have a good attorney or not. but i would keep my mouth shut and, you know, let my attorney do the talking. americans waste millions of dollars in mexico buying these alleged that are not lawyers. the old cliche, give the cop the $100 billion does not work that much in mexico anymore. so you need a professional and someone can you trust your life to. this man that this, you know, he's fantastic guy. he's a good lawyer. if the man is innocent, he'll prove it. >> larry: how expensive is he, dog? >> you know, he's not the same as a good lawyer, you know, in the united states. he's not, you know, extravagant like that. he's not like that. but you're going to pay for the best. but he's not over the line, you know, what i mean?

>> larry: you told us that mexico you're guilty until proven innocent. you can't do more than 50 years. there is no capital punishment. what if anything do you like about the mexican system? >> well, you know, i like it was thorough and fast. you know, a lot -- we get upset about the more than 50 years. there are certain countries that if you get caught stealing, they cut off your hands. and we think as americans, oh, my god that, is cruel and unusual punishment. different countries have different laws. so i like that mexico is very quick, very thorough. you know, it's decided by a lot of -- a group of good team of people. it went good in my case. it didn't good go good until they heard the truth. then it went good. because of this lawyer, they got to hear the truth. so i would rather stand trial for anything, of course, in america. but, you know, next to that, mexico justice was fair with me. >> larry: do you believe in american is at a disadvantage in

mexico? >> well, i believe, you know, of course as in america, whoever your spokesman or your attorney is how the case is going to go. you know, whether it's mexico, like i said or america. so i think he's in good hands with, you know, the attorneyed up very well. if he's got a lawyer that's not very good and like we first had, went in there, you know, it was terrible. we almost went to prison. so with the lawyer, just as in america, he's got a good shot at it. >> larry: do we have to assume that because he hired him that he is in deep trouble? >> well, you know, a murder charge is deep trouble in any country. so -- you immediately, you know, think i need the best. so, yeah, he's in deep trouble, brother, sir. you know, murder one in mexico, that's a problem. >> larry: good seeing you, dog. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me, good seeing you. thank you, sir. >> larry: dwayne "dog" chapman,

"where mercy is shown, mercy is given." monica's friends are shocked by this death and have interesting thoughts about her husband next.

>> larry: we have a close friend of monica redman and also knew bruce. and janeknew monica for 20 years. what is your reaction? >> this reaction, it's overwhelming to me. it is insane to think that this has happened to our friend. and i just -- it's a reaction that i can't describe. >> larry: how long did you know her? >> i know her for 20 years. >> larry: you've been friends all that time? >> yes. >> larry: so you know bruce, too. >> yes. we were very close friends. bruce came to my house. i came to their house. and every time we have a birthday, he was there. >> larry: what do you make of this, that he's a person of interest? >> it is total disbelief that -- >> larry: you can't believe he would have done this?

>> well, on the morning that's coming out of the news, you know, if he did this, you know, he's innocent. he will help. >> larry: jane, she's your friend. >> yes. >> larry: did she tell you of any troubles in the marriage? >> well, we actually spoke about two weeks ago and we were talking about a lot. and i asked her how is things going? she said, not good. you know? but we kind of going by. >> larry: did they go on the trip to help the marriage? >> yes. that's what we understand. that's what we understand. >> larry: did they fight a lot? >> i know they had some difference between them like every marriage couple have. but we don't know, you know, how severe was the fight. but, yeah. they had arguments. >> larry: one of the star pins

you're wearing? >> well, this star pin is to symbolize -- to clarify the symbol what monica left. she was a star. not just in the brazilian community but because there is a diversity of community. and the diversity of the community, it's more. and their hearts are bleeding right now for this tragedy for over friends. >> larry: have you talked to bruce? >> i haven't talked to bruce. i, you know, bruce, he was lately he wasn't there a lot for her. he seems to be a little bit more off because maybe, you know, he was having differences. but, you know, eastbound even if he was, we just want him to come forward. >> larry: did she tell you of any difficulties? >> well, when i call her, well,

november of her mom was here. she threw a party. she loves to throw parties. she flew her mom here for her birthday and she flew her dad here for her birthday. >> larry: they live in brazil? >> yes in, rio. the last time she flew her parents here was for her mom's birthday. i invited her for my party. it's my birthday is november 3rd. and then she couldn't come. but, you know, she -- well, always there for us. >> larry: what can you tell us about her, jane? what was she like? >> well, monica was a very, very lovable person. i mean if you want to describe monica, monica was a very down to earth person. you couldn't find anybody more outgoing than monica. she's -- if you come to her restaurant and, you know, you

just walk in and then you see the beautiful tall girl behind the bar over there. you couldn't even tell monica was the owner of the place. you come in, she's very warm. she is very loving person. >> larry: where sis the restaurant? >> it's on the west side. >> larry: how many children? >> she has two children, a 5 1/2 little girl and a 3-year-old little boy. >> larry: and we understand they're with the grandparents, the fraternal grandparents? >> yes. his parents has -- is holding temporary custody right now. but we're going to fight. >> larry: are you going to plan a funeral, a memorial service of any kind? >> at this point, larry, we need to have the -- our first priority right now is to have her here. we are fighting. >> larry: they want to keep her there? >> we don't want to keep her there. >> larry: but mexico might? >> yes. but we want to have the family

to have a totally control of her body to do a precisely examination -- autopsy. and then to make sure that they've done their job to bring the justice. their family deserves that. >> larry: we thank you very much. as this goes on, we'll call on you again. >> thank you, mr. king. >> thank you. >> thank you both. >> the furor over an adopted child returned to his homeland by an american mother who calls him psychotic or psychopathic. that's next. (announcer) feeling back pain? dr. scholl's back pain relief orthotics with shockguard technology give you immediate relief that lasts all day long. dr. scholl's. pain relief is a step away.

>> larry: before we meet our guest to talk about this strange story, let's check in wander son cooper and ""ac 360" what is the lead? >> you've been talking about the questions swirling around the case of justin hanson. a tennessee sheriff saying no charges because he doesn't have enough information. the mom is not talking nor is her mother. did the adoption agency do everything they could to screen the adoptive mom? did they really make sure they were fitting to parents? and where are the parents? well, they're not talking. we're going to try to get answered tonight. also, sarah palin hammering the

deal for nuclear weapons. no other administration would consider such a step. but is that true? well, actually, no, it's not. ronald reagan comes to mind. keeping them honest on that. and mississippi governor haley barbour waiving in on the confederacy controversy dogging virginia. we'll dig deeper on the civil war and why people see the conflict so differently. those stories and a lot more at the top of the hour. >> larry: that's anderson cooper 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. all right. he just went over this incredible case, the american woman returning her 7-year-old adoptive son to russia. with us, mark geragos, noted defense attorney in l.a. miami, stacy hornowitz and with us in l.a., psychiatrist, medical director of family sstss and author of this new book, "side by side." mark, what do you make of this? >> is this book for

mother-daughter conflict free resolution, that's impossible. i never heard of such a thing. >> i will. i will read the book. the story is incredible. i don't understand why the sheriff thinks he doesn't have some base tois do something. i know coming from the defense lawyer, that sounds like bla blasphemy. >> what will the charge be? >> some kind of neglect charge. i don't know the specific code section there. but certainly you can file charges on somebody who leaves their 7-year-old in a car while they run into the store and that's -- i defended those cases. >> stacy, will you file charges with what you know of this case? >> yeah. i don't have all the inside scoop on it. certainly i agree with mark. it's hard agree with mark it is hard to believe that some kind of charges couldn't come down the pike. look at the precedent you are setting if you don't file

charges. anybody not happy with the child or finds themself on the same situation goes ahead, puts a 7-year-old to fly internationally, has somebody go and pick them up and we say that's okay? it just doesn't seem reasonable. i'm waiting to see if the investigation continues that maybe charges will come down later on. >> dr. sophie, now, here is the behavior alleged by members of the hanson family they attribute to this boy, the mother and the grandmother, hitting, screaming, spitting, threatening to kill people, setting fires. what kind of emotional problems does he have and what's the mother to do? >> you know, larry, we deal with this all the time, as a child psychiatrist you can as the medical director of l.a., we have a a lot of children who have a lot of issues, either because of attachment, bonding what ever, we have resources to deal with these kind of issues, psychiatric hospitals. we have emergency psychiatric teams who will even come into your home. there are resources fanned there are no resources there are emergency rooms. hospitals have emergency rooms. >> larry: no i shall fuhr her putting him on a plane? >> there is none. you are abandoning that child,

the child's safety issues are huge stakes here. i think the bottom line is she should have thought, i'm sure she was distraught, i'm sure she felt there was nothing else to do, but there's always something to do >> larry: our defense attorney. what if,000 defend her? >> if i had to defend her, i would obviously explore her state of mind. somebody who has got, as the doctor says, distraught. i can't imagine anybody in a right state of mind putting a 7-year-old on a plane after you have adopted and gone through all of that rigorous process to get to that point and then you just return them like they are day old bacon that went bad. it is an awful situation. obviously, this is somebody, you know, i don't know about the kid, but obviously, the mother is disturbed. >> i mean, where's the agency to support this woman through all of this? >> larry: doctor, is there such a thing as, remember the name of the old movie, "its bad seed?" >> yes. >> larry: there are bad kids? >> yes but there are treatments thought to contain it institutions then guz through the system to reach that level of care and that need. there's medication.

there are places to go. there are tools to use. >> yeah, used to be -- henry james had that expression, give me a kid until he is 7, he said until he is 7, and i will determine his outlook for life. but at the same point, you can't do that with a kid. all kids have issues. >> larry: stacy? >> i think the bottom line is nobody is disagreeing with with the fact she had issues with this child and this child obviously was a problem for her. so is not the idea that there are issues stemming from the adoption it is the manner in which she chose to resolve it and i think that is what everybody is looking at, how could you possibly have done what you did? and i think she is a nurse, think she has an educated background it is kind of hard to believe that sun would do something like this >> larry: something must have stacey, snapped in her, right? >> yeah. i mean, i think mark's right. everybody is right. she was distraught. i see a lot of cases were parents are distraught. it is not a mitigator -- it could be a mitigator but not an excuse for the behavior. i think in this care like i said earlier, i don't know how you are going to have this all over the news and not going to say

something has to be done. it is definitely either child abuse or some form of neglect. anybody on the street would tell you the act was neglectful what she did >> larry: because the child flew out of dulles airport in virginia, an airport i know pretty well, abandonment charges have to be filed in virginia, that is what we are told and state department officials are not aware of any federal laws being broken. >> guarantee you, there is a county prosecutor over there somewhere who can find at least five sections that they could charge and i wouldn't be surprised, given the publicity of that that is going to be done. i'm not calling for a prosecution, i'm just saying this whole thing is so inane and insane, to just put a little boy who is 7 years old on a plane because he is spitting and biting you and, you know, he may you can the little devil child, but at the same time, you just don't put a kid on a plane and ship him back. >> absolutely. remember this child has been traumatized. he has lived most of his life in an orphanage to begin with has

probably bonding issues, attachment issues, you bring him to another culture, another language, make it where it can't work for him and you send him back. >> larry: were there other children? >> in the home? from what i understand there maybe other children in the home, i don't know if they were siblings of that child. >> larry: russia and adoptions next, don't go away. [ announcer ] if you think about it, this is a lot like most job search sites. - they let everyone in, - [ crowd groans ] so the best people can't stand out. join theladders.com. the premium job site for only $100k+ jobs... and only $100k+ talent. is that your new car ? uh... yeah ? cool.

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blog commentary for us go to cnn.com/larry king to read it all right, mark, what go they do now in russia with this in the. >> the only suspicion i have, they will try to place him or put him back in the orphanage he came, which is awful. we were staying in the break, live a case where a 5-year-old here in l.a., my client's son, was kicking or spitting at school and your department came and took him away and put a 72-hour hold on him. i mean there are agencies and protocols for doing this. >> larry: do it all the time radioity? what is the success ratio of adoptions of foreigners? >> we don't oversee them that is the problem. we do county public adoptions, we do about 2,000 a year and our fail rate is less than 1% because we support them afterwards. >> larry: if this had happened here, would your department have been involved in this case? >> yeah it is abandonment, we would have been called in to protect the child and make him safe. >> larry: stacey, have you had abandonment cases? >> yes, nothing to this extent, of course this is just so

unbelievable, but, yeah, there are cases where there is abandonment, a parent has just left a child, left the child somewhere. and mostly, we file a lot of neglect charges, what is why i said early on, think for them not to do something in this case, you are setting a horrible precedent for people. it's just for people to look at and say, well if she doesn't have chrs filed against her for putting a child on plane, you are going to put charges against me for leaving my child in a car, as mark said earlier? just doesn't make sense. >> larry: will this affect russian adoptions do you think, mark? >> i would imagine that people would think twice. i mean, you hear horror stories, i have heard horror stories about russia, you have heard them about china but i think most people -- this is the exception to the rule. i just can't imagine that this is -- that this goes on more frequently, otherwise work vad an -- otherwise, i'd have an adoption chan well horror stories wall-to-wall. >> children adopted are going to have issues. the extent of them needs to be examined before you make that

commitment. >> larry: let's try to fathom, why would a mother not take the child to a tennessee center, like yours? there must be some in tennessee. she is not thinking clearly, she is broken down, something. >> larry: must have been a regular -- >> i treat that a lot but the bottom line is there should be an adult who can step to in keep this child safe. >> how does the kid get on the plane? >> larry: on the plane, stacey, does the flight attendant look at this kid with the sign on him and say -- >> go back. >> larry: go become to your milk? >> that's the interesting thing i don't understand. the sheriff said you said earlier in the show that the sheriff didn't have enough information or anderson said -- >> larry: so far, yeah. >> why didn't you interview the people on the plane, the flight attendants to find out how did he get on? who took him off? who picked him up at the airport t is my understanding she paid somebody $200 to pick him up in russia and take him wherever he had to go how did that information come about? all these things need to be investigated in order to file the charges. us