2012 when i haven't decided what i'm going to do but i'm probably going to run for president. i'm sarah palin. good night. >> i thought she was going to say "and i'll leave the lights on for you." >> joe, thanks for being on the program tonight. hey that's it for "360" thanks for watching. "larry king" starts right now. see you tomorrow night. >> larry: tonight, conan's back and he's on tbs. o'brien returns to late night and cutthroat competition with a deal that took all of tv surprise. and could a "survivor" producer be charged with the murder of his wife disappeared while on vacation in cancun. and then a 7-year-old boy is

sent back alone a plane back to russia after his adoptive mom had enough of him. who's to blame here, next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. conan o'brien is back in the late-night game announcing today that he'll have his own show on tbs beginning in november. we should note that tbs' owned by time warner, cnn's parent company. so conan and i are now working for the same people. as is george lopez, who currently occupies the 11:00 p.m. time slot. he'll move to midnight. and he's happy to do so to accommodate conan. here to talk about the decision that may surprise many are bill carter, national media reporter for "the new york times." he's in eugene, oregon, covering the first night of conan's two-month nationwide comedy tour. he'll be with nus a couple of moments. lynnette rice is here, senior writer for "entertainment

weekly," and lauren sanchez returns, correspondent for "extra." here is how conan o'brien made the announcement today. he said, "the good news, i'll be doing a show on tbs starting in november. the bad news: i'll be playing rudy on the all new cosby show." by the way, bill cosby will be here tomorrow night. okay, lauren, what happened here? >> well, you know what? it's a good day to be conan o'brien, obviously. and "extra's" confirmed that conan inked a deal with tbs that will pay him excess of $10 million a year, and by the way, he owns the show, which means he's going to make millions of dollars on the back-end as well. now there's three really interesting things about this deal, one it was fast and furious which you know, larry, never happens in hollywood. >> larry: never the same agent, you have to ask them about it. >> two, it was very private which also never happens in hollywood. three, it never would have happened without the blessing of george lopez. "extra" learned that lopez called conan personally and said do this deal. i'm okay with it. because as you just said, he

currently occupies that 11:00 time slot. but it's a win-win for everyone. tbs, conan and george who has a successful show but now will have the lead in of conan. >> larry: and tbs in 95% of the homes. lynnette, what do you make of this? >> on paper it probably doesn't say something sexy as saying you're working for a broadcast network like fox. and this deal wouldn't have been made possible had they been able to work a deal with fox. fox had the problem of trying to convince the stations to clear the 11:00 time slots. but it's cool. because if you look at somebody like john stewart or stephen colbert they don't have those big tent rateings that a jay leno or a david letterman have but they sweep the emmys every year, they're very cool. critics like us love them and it's definitely a great job. >> larry: and a lot more leeway on tv. >> yes. they insist he can do whatever he wants there. he can get as edgy as possible. >> larry: here's what conan had to say in the statement about the move. "in three months i've gone from

network television to twitter to performing live in theaters and now i'm headed to basic cable. my plan is working perfectly." in other words, next will be a local show in des moines. >> you never know. you know what if they're going to pay him that much money, i'm sure he'll go. you have to remember he also got $40 million from nbc when he left and now he's make millions more. and another thing, this kind of shows what type of guy conan is. remember when he left he said you know what, i really need to take care of the people who moved from new york to l.a. who do this show. he made sure they got great exit deals. and now he's going to -- the show is going to be based in l.a. and he said he's going to bring a lot of those staff members back with him. so, yeah, he's a really good guy. i think it's a great place for him, he gets to be creative. you know it's cable, you get to have more fun. >> larry: and he has a half hour jump on me, leno/letterman. how is he going to do?

>> i think he'll do well. he'll definitely get that younger dem graphic that, george lopez already achieves. i mean supposed -- >> larry: george lopez has the best demographic. >> an average age 33. i don't think the broadcast networks view conan as a threat. it's been established who is the leader in late night. we already know who everybody watches. we know now that they're back to watching leno. and they like david letterman as their number two. and then kimmel as third. despite a huge promotional push that abc gave for conan o'brien he wasn't able to recapture those leno ratings. i don't think they look at him as a threat. >> larry: but he's up against no one? >> yeah, exactly. >> larry: up against local news. >> yeah it's not about ratings for cable. it's about, you know, what type of audience you're going to get. he's going to get that younger audience. you have to remember, leno has great numbers. but his audience is getting older. and now -- >> larry: up by ten years. >> yeah and now conan has this young audience. he started twittering and got massive amount of followers, young followers.

now they're going to follow him to tbs which is unbelievable. that's what you want. you want the young viewers. >> tbs is digging the fact they got a couple of 40-plus men now like george and now conan entertaining 20, 30-somethings. a pretty cool thing to brag about. >> larry: does he keep match one and the whole crew, there the band and everything, do you know? >> yes. i think he's going to keep the whole crew. >> jeff ross, the ep. >> the key is if they get andy richter. it if he comes along. there is a lot of people that love that man. >> there's no word yet. and he owns it. he owns the show. incredible. >> larry: it starts when, november? >> november. he'll have the promotional push off the baseball playoffs which will be a good thing. if they start in september they would have to preempt it. start it after baseball. >> tbs is going to spend a lot of money they said on promotion. not an exact start but they did say in november. >> larry: bill carter now joined us from eugene, oregon. he's there to be around for conan's opening night. he opens tonight, right? on his tour, bill? >> that's right. this is his first night, larry, here in sunny eugene.

just started to rain. >> larry: and how many -- how much time are you going to spend on this tour? are you just doing a one-night coverage and then back to new york? >> i'll do this one. i'll probably do l.a. and then i'll probably do new york, but i thought that i should come to the first one and see the scene and everything. >> larry: all right. you're always in on the know. you are surprised by this? >> i was surprised it happened. there was no glimmer or hint this was going on. frankly, i thought the fox thing was really the best and only option it seemed for conan to be really competitive. but i think tbs came up with a very aggressive offer and fox was not really moving forward with their offer. so it happened really fast. but it does surprise me in a way. i didn't think he would jump to cable. i thought he would want to stay on network and be one of the network players. >> larry: well now he's part of our family, the time warner group.

how's he going to do, do you think? >> larry, i missed that question. >> larry: i said he's now part of the time warner group making him a sister to our setup here at cnn. how do you think he's going to do? >> well, it's going to be interesting. because instead of competing against, you know, david letterman he's now going to be competing really against john stewart and stephen colbert who established themselves as the cable guys of late night. as the cable guys on late night. so it's more, you know, a very young crowd split up in a lot of different ways. that is conan's audience and the audience on comedy central. i expect him to do well. he probably won't have to worry about, you know, big numbers. i think he'll do a good, young audience. he'll be very free, creatively free to do what he wants to do without a lot of interference from, you know, what he used to have at the network. >> larry: we'll be back with bill carter and lynn etrice and lauren sanchez after this.

>> larry: back in january, conan said he wouldn't move "the tonight show" back 30 minutes so jay leno could start at 11:30. here's how george lopez joked about that at the time. >> conan o'brien sent a letter saying he wouldn't move to 12:05 to make room for jay leno at 11:35, which i don't understand, because latinos have no problems to be told to come into work a half hour later! right? >> larry: all right, are you surprised, lynnette rice that george lopez completely agreed with in move to go back a half hour later? >> you know, i'm not surprised. i think having a lead-in like conan is going to be just incredible for him. i mention, he's had -- he's definitely enjoyed some press, because he's start this new late-night talk show on tbs. he was not getting the kind of press that the late-night stars are getting. you know that conan got when he

left fox. now with conan coming in there's going to be so much attention, not only on conan but what george is doing afterwards, i mean it's a huge boom for the whole late-night lineup. >> larry: don't you think that fox wasn't aggressive here? >> no, i think that fox was aggressive as could be, they were just move like molasses and what happened is tbs just came in and just swiped him up. i mean you have to remember the logistics of fox bringing conan was a lot and it was hard because he'd only be on 60% because ofu know of the entire country because they already had sitcomes that were in that place so you know how that workings so his ratings probably wouldn't be as successful as they'd like them to be in the beginning. >> larry: bill carter, isn't this all of this inside baseball? in other words, the family in des moines, they don't know what the ratings are, they just know what they like. and, frankly, there's no difference today between cable and network, is there? it's either channel 14 or channel 100. >> for the most part. i mean, tbs is in 87% of homes

which is basically full coverage and frankly, more than conan would have had at fox to begin with so you can see that's appealing for him but you're right, it's true that cable is an equalizer now. and also, people watch -- and especially the young audience, are watching online so conan's going to be accessible pretty much as accessible as he was on the network. >> larry: are you betting, bill, that he will do very well at 11:00? >> i'm -- you know i'm sure he's going to do well. you know it's going to be hard to judge in terms of if we want to look at what he used to do on "the tonight show." not as many viewers i don't think. but i think very free. i think his show will be better. that's what i think will be better. i think the show is going to be freer and much like it was the last week when he just let it go and really performed at a really high level. i think you'll see much more of that from conan on tbs. >> larry: so he'll be more edgy? >> i think so. i think he'll -- there is nothing really to hold him back really on cable. he'll have a much more free and open style than did he. you know, "the tonight show" he

had to try to taylor it to a really mass audience which he really wasn't getting. he was getting about 2 million less than leno got. so here he s i think he can say here is my poor audience. i'm going to speak to them. i'll be as wild and crazy and creative as i can be. >> larry: we'll be back with more moments with bill carter and lauren sanchez and lynette rice. rice. bill cosby tomorrow. restaurant.

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♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ >> larry: and now with willie on friday night -- that's going to be fun. two great songwriters told meet other day he's the best singer alive, willie nelson. bill carter, he's with the "new york times" national media reporter. he's in eugene, oregon, because tonight conan o'brien's tour starts. it's titled "legally prohibited from being funny on television tour." kicks off tonight. first time conan's ever done standup in theaters. lynnette rice is senior writer with "entertainment weekly," and lauren sanchez is correspondent for "extra." okay what about his lead-in, lauren? his lead-in is what on tbs? what is tbs saying. >> "family guy" it's the perfect lead-in. >> larry: an hour show? >> yeah it's a half hour. it's the perfect lead-in for conan. i believe it's a hamphour ihope it is. because it's that younger audience. it's comedy. it's funny. i mean it's a perfect lead-in

for him. >> larry: a great audience? >> yeah a huge audience and another big thing for conan going to, as he said basic cable, "extra" has learned his budget for the show is the same as it was at nbc. so that's -- >> larry: conan has money. >> yeah that's pretty good for basic cable. not so bad. >> larry: what about where he's going to do the show from, lynnette? >> right now they're saying he'll number l.a. so he'll be able to retain that staff that he had before. the key is, where? a sweet openingalt the universal lot where he shot his last show. >> larry: could rent from nbc. >> that would be so nice from them. >> larry: bill mair mahr rents from cbs. >> i wonder if he'd like to go there. >> no, i don't think so. i mean, you know, you go where you go.

>> larry: mr. carter, you're the dean of this group. where will he broadcast from? >> i would bet not from the nbc studios. but not because he wouldn't like it. i think nbc might feel, and i think that i've already heard that they're not that comfortable with the idea. frankly, if no one else rents it, they would be silly not to rent it to him. i bet he would look for space elsewhere. that would be my expectation. >> larry: so bill, in television circles, would you call this a major surprise? >> yeah, i would. and i did write it that way. i feel like, you know, it's very hard these days to keep anything quiet at all. and all we heard was that fox was still talking to him. and they were. and tbs very quietly came in around the side door. and as i said, i didn't really expect that because, when the possibilities were laid out, it didn't seem that this is where he would wind up. and tbs, you know, tbs has not had a real hit show of its own before. and now they have a guy who's basically been the signature star of people under four, let's say in late night for the last ten years. that's a big coup for them. very big coup. >> larry: tbs and tnt, their

hits have been basketball. >> that's right. and that will help conan, too. it will give him exposure. >> larry: have you interviewed phil kent? tbs answers him in all of the nomenclature in all of this. has he given you the information for the story? >> i spoke with steve koonan, head of turner entertainment. he met with conan personally and of course he's also the guy who talked to george lopez and said to george, this is a good job to move back an hour, and george agreed. >> larry: so how big is it to you, lynnette? is "entertainment weekly," going to cover with this? >> absolutely. we try to go after the viewers that he tries to appeal to, a younger demographic. we already have somebody up there alongside bill carter watching his comedy act tonight. we'll definitely cover it. it's going to be a great story. if anything, it will definitely trump what the networks are doing. it will steal all attention away from leno and letterman. and they'll be so irrelevant.

>> larry: and will do 33 half hours. >> of course they will. are you kidding "extra" will have this wall-to-wall coverage of this. >> larry: picture of his cousin watching tbs three years ago. >> that's tomorrow so don't forget to watch on "extra," but no, george lopez said, i thought, a great quote. he said, "it's the beginning of a new era in late-night comedy" and maybe it is. i like that. >> larry: thank you all very much. bill carter, as always. lynette rice and lauren you're going to stick around. nightmare in mexico. did a normer "survivor" producer have anything to do with his wife's death in cancun? dog the bounty hunter will be here, too.

>> larry: a tv producer who one time worked on "survivor" has been questioned in the death of his wife who disappeared during their vacation in cancun. there you see the couple. and then she turned up dead. bruce beresford-redman is free. he was pending results from forensic test. he can't leave mexico, though, his wife's monica's body was found in a sewer. "extra's" lauren sanchez remains with us to talk about the case. and dog "the bounty hunter" dwayne chapman is here. star of a & e series. his new book, "where mercy is shown, mercy is given."

there you see its cover. we'll talk to dog in a couple of moments but some quick questions for lauren. what's the latest on this? >> "extra's" learned and saying beresford-redman and his wife went to this posh resort in mexico to try to repair their relationship. allegedly he cheated on her. they brought their two kids. and they were trying to reconcile. sources are saying they were fighting and people saw them arguing and that he apparently tried to hit her and after that, no one saw her and then two days later she was found in a sewer strangled. and beresford-redman is the prime suspect in this. >> larry: he's no longer with "survivor"? >> no he's no longer with "survivor." he was an ex-produce or "survivor" and he was a senior producer on "survivor." they're saying that he -- that he is going to be charged with this. charge is imminent right now. >> larry: they have to come up with forensic proof.

>> that's what they're waiting for right now, they're waiting on the forensics on this. >> larry: in mexico, they can hold you without charges? >> they can hold you without charges. and another thing that we have learned is that he has hired a high-profile defense attorney. and that's what you were talking about with dog that he has hired an attorney that he's very familiar with. >> larry: who's familiar with mexico? >> yes. >> larry: there's a lot of crime in mexico. >> a lot of crime, yes. well, you know, we're hearing about all the crime and all the, you know, drugs that's going on right now. but that's also on the u.s. border between mexico. but cancun, you know, the cancun area -- cabo san lucas. >> larry: there was nothing there? >> yes. they were at a posh private resort. so there is a lot of questions that still need answered in this one. >> larry: is he still back in television working? >> we don't know that right now. i don't know if he's still in television. >> larry: thanks, lauren. we'll tune into "extra" and find out. lauren sanchez, special correspondent for "extra." joining us now from honolulu dwayne "dog" chapman as we said star of his own reality series and author of that new book."

the suspect, if can be called that, has been confirmed with mexican attorney eduardo amarine ec. what do you know about him, dog? >> eduardo is my attorney for the case that i had in mexico. i would say not just because he won my case but we checked, you know, throughout mexico, the whole country and he was recommended to be the one of the best and turned out to be one of the best attorneys, you know, he's out of mexico city. but i talked to him today. he said that he had, you know, talked with this defendant but hasn't actually been retained yet. but he is waiting. he went to extensive talk with him yesterday. so if the guy needs a good lawyer, you know, this is the guy to get from mexico. >> larry: where is he based, the attorney? is he based in mexico? >> yes, sir, he's based out of mexico city, larry. he's based right there. >> larry: would you say, dog, on your law experience in/around

the criminal courts and endeavors that it doesn't look good for the suspect, if he can be called that? >> well, one of the main things in mexico that we don't have here, in america you have the presumption of innocence before you're found guilty. in mexico, you're guilty and you have to prove your innocence. there's no bail for murder. so if he's charged with murder, they'll hold him there. the system goes a lot faster if you are sentenced and found guilty for murder, there's no death penalty in mexico. and there's not a sentence over 50 years. they believe that's inhumane. but he's got one of the greatest attorneys there. there must be something. usually when you go to mexico, larry, when you're visiting there, you become a citizen. so they consider that a citizen of mexico was murdered. the guy probably be in jail right now unless there is some kind of evidence that, you know, they're really trying to confirm. so it could go either way. you got to have a great attorney

that knows his surrounding and he picked the right one. >> larry: if you're visiting you're a citizen? >> well, when you -- once you cross the border into mexico, you become a mexico citizen even if you're a visitor. so all the laws are the same as to you as a citizen. so, you know, which too bad we don't do that here. >> larry: a reverse of illegal immigrants. we'll be back with more of dwayne "dog" chapman and more of this puzzling story after this.

>> larry: we're back with dwayne "dog" chapman. i wand to remind you about a blog that dog wrote for us about adversity and overcoming obstacles. he's quite a guy. go to cnn.com/larryking to read it. what would you recommend to the husband here, dog? what would you say to him? >> well, you know, mexico does a thorough investigation, larry, right before they charge you. so if he's guilty, you know, he's got a problem whether you have a good attorney or not. but i would keep my mouth shut and, you know, let my attorney

do the talking. americans waste millions of dollars in mexico buying these alleged that are not lawyers. because the old cliche, give the cop the $100 billion does not work that much in mexico anymore. so you need a professional and someone you can trust your life to. this man, you know, he's a fantastic guy. he's a good lawyer. if the man is innocent, he'll prove it. >> larry: how expensive is he, dog? . >> you know he's about the same good lawyer as in the united states. he's not, you know, extravagant like that. he's not like that. but you're going to pay for the best. but he's not over the line, you know, what i mean? >> larry: you told us that mexico you're guilty until proven innocent. you can't do more than 50 years. there's no capital punishment. what, if anything, do you like about the mexican system? >> well, you know, i like it was thorough and fast.

you know, a lot -- we get upset about the more than 50 years. there's certain countries that, if you get caught steaming, they cut off your hands. and we think as americans, oh, my god, that is cruel and unusual punishment. different countries have different laws. so i like that mexico is very quick, very thorough. you know, it's decided by a lot of -- a group of good team of people. it went good in my case. but it didn't good go good until they heard the truth. then it went good. because of this lawyer, they got to hear the truth. so i would rather stand trial for anything, of course, in america. but, you know, next to that, mexico justice was fair with me. >> larry: do you believe an american is at a disadvantage in mexico? >> well, i believe, you know, of course as in america, whoever your spokesman or your attorney is is how the case is going to go. you know, whether it's mexico, like i said or america. so i think he's in good hands

with, you know, he'd attorneyed up very well. if he's got a lawyer that's not very good and like we first had, went in there, you know, it was terrible. we almost went to prison. so with the lawyer, just as in america, he's got a good shot at it. >> larry: do we have to assume that because he hired him that he is in deep trouble? >> well, you know, a murder charge is deep trouble in any country. so -- you immediately, you know, think i need the best. so, yeah, he's in deep trouble, brother, sir. you know, murder one in mexico, that's a problem. >> larry: good seeing you, dog. thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me, good seeing you. thank you, sir. >> larry: dwayne "dog" chapman, new book -- "where mercy is shown, mercy is given." monica's friends are shocked by this death and they have some interesting thoughts about her husband, next.

>> larry: she's a close friend of monica beresford-redman and also knew bruce. and jane knew monica for 20 years. all right, what's your reaction to this? >> oh, mr. king, this reaction

it's overwhelming to me. it is insane to think that this has happened to our friend. and i just -- it's -- it's a reaction that i can't describe. >> larry: how long do you know her? >> i know her for 20 years. >> larry: in what kind -- you've been friends all that time? >> yes. >> larry: so you knew bruce too, right? >> yes we were very close friends. bruce came to my house. i came to their house. and every party that we have, a birthday, he was there. >> larry: so what do you make of this? he's a person of interest. >> it's total disbelief that -- >> larry: you can't believe that he would have done this? >> well i am learning what's coming out on the news but you know if he did this you know if he was innocent he will help. he will help. >> larry: jane, she's your friend? >> yes she was. >> larry: did she tell you of any troubles in the marriage?

>> we actually spoke about three weeks ago and i met her in target. and we're talking a lot a little bit. and i ask her, how things go? oh, not good. you know but we kind of going by so -- >> larry: did they go on that trip to somehow help the marriage? >> yes that's -- that's what we understand. that's what we -- >> larry: did they fight a lot? >> i know they had some difference between them -- like every marriage couple have. but we don't know this you know how severe was the fight but, yeah, they had arguments and disagreements. >> larry: what are those star pins that you're wearing? >> well, this star pin is to symbolize -- no, to clarify the symbol what monica left. she was a star. in the brazilian community. not just in the brazilian community but because there is a

diversity of community. and the diversity of the community it's mourning. and their hearts right now, they're bleeding for this tragedy over our friends. >> larry: have you talked to bruce? >> i haven't talked to bruce. i, you know, bruce, he was lately he wasn't there a lot for her. he seems to be a little bit more off because maybe, you know, he was having differences. but you know even if he was you know we just wanted him to come forward. >> larry: did she tell you of any difficulties? >> well, when i call her -- well, november of her mom was here. she threw a party. she loves to throw parties. she flew her mom here for her birthday and she flew her dad here for their birthday. >> larry: they live in brazil?

>> they live in brazil in rio. the last time she flew her parents here was for her mom's birthday. on october 31st, it was halloween. i invited her for my party. it's my birthday is november 3rd. and then she couldn't come. but, you know, she -- well, always there for us. >> larry: what can you tell us about her, jane? what was she like? >> well, monica was a very, very lovable person. i mean if you want to describe monica, monica was a very down to earth person. you couldn't find anybody more outgoing than monica. she's -- if you come to her restaurant and, you know, you just walk in and then you see the beautiful tall girl behind the bar over there. you couldn't even tell monica was the owner of the place. and she's very loving person. >> larry: where is the restaurant? >> it's on venice boulevard.

>> larry: here? >> on west side. >> larry: how many children does she have? >> she has two children, a 5 1/2 little girl and a 3-year-old little boy. >> larry: and we understand they're with the grandparents, the fraternal grandparents? >> yes. the temporary custody right now. but we're going to fight. >> larry: are you going to plan a funeral, a memorial service of any kind? >> well, at this point, larry, we need to have the -- our first priority right now is to have her here. we are fighting. >> larry: they want to keep her there? >> we don't want to keep her there. >> larry: but mexico might? >> yes. but we want to have the family to have a totally control of her body to do a precisely examination -- autopsy. >> larry: autopsy. >> examination. and then to make sure that they've done their job to bring the justice. the family need and deserve

that. >> larry: well, we thank you very much. as this goes on, we'll call on you again. >> thank you, mr. king. >> thank you. >> larry: thank you, both. the furor over an adopted child returned to his homeland by an american mother who calls him psychotic or psychopathic. that's next. ♪

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>> larry: before we meet our guest to talk about this strange story, let's check in with anderson cooper and "ac 360." at the top of the hour. anderson, what's our lead? >> larry, i know you've been talking about the questions swirling around the case of justin hanson. a tennessee sheriff saying today, no charges, frankly. he does not have enough information. the mom is not talking nor is her mother. did the adoption agency do everything they could to screen the adoptive mom? did they really make sure they were fitting to parents? and where are the parents? well, they're not talking. we're going to try to get answered tonight. also, sarah palin hammering the deal for nuclear weapons.

saying, quote, "no other administration would consider such a step." but is that true? well, actually, no, it's not. ronald reagan comes to mind. keeping them honest on that. and mississippi governor haley barbour waiving in on the confederacy controversy dogging virginia. we'll tell you why dig deeper on the civil war and why people see the conflict so differently. those stories and a lot more at the top of the hour. >> larry: that's anderson cooper 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. all right. anderson just covered this incredible case, the american woman returning her 7-year-old adoptive son to russia. with us, mark geragos, noted defense attorney in l.a. mooichl stacy horno wits the florida state attorney and also l.a. psychiatrist. medical director of family services. and author of this new book, "side by side." mark, what do you make of this? >> of his book for mother/daughter conflict for free resolution, that's impossible. i never heard of such a thing.

>> larry: read the thing. >> i will. i will read the book. the story is incredible. i don't understand why the sheriff thinks he doesn't have some basis to do something. i know coming from a defense lawyer that sounds like blasphemy. >> larry: well i spoke with the mother's attorney. what would the charge be? >> some kind of neglect charge. i don't know the specific code section there. but certainly you can file charges on somebody who leaves their 7-year-old in their car while they run into the store and that's -- i defended those cases. >> stacy, will you file charges with what you know of this case? >> yeah. i don't have all the inside scoop on it. certainly i agree with mark. it's hard to believe that some kind of charges couldn't come

situation goes ahead, puts a 7-year-old to fly internationally, has somebody go and pick them up and we say that's okay? it just doesn't seem reasonable. i'm waiting to see if the investigation continues that maybe charges will come down later on. >> larry: dr. sophie now. here is the behavior alleged by members of the hanson family they attribute to this boy, the mother and the grandmother, hitting, screaming, spitting, threatening to kill people, setting fires. what kind of emotional problems does he have and what's the mother to do? >> you know, larry, we deal with this all the time, as a child psychiatrist you can as the medical director of l.a., we have a a lot of children who have a lot of issues, either because of attachment, bonding whatever, we have resources to deal with these kind of issues, psychiatric hospitals. we have emergency psychiatric teams who will even come into your home. and if there are no resources there are our emergency rooms. hospitals have emergency rooms. >> larry: no issues for her putting him on a plane? >> there is really not. you're abandoning that child. the child's safety issues are at huge stakes here.

i think the bottom line is she should have thought, i'm sure she was distraught, i'm sure she felt there was nothing else to do, but there's always something to do. >> larry: you're a defense attorney, what if you had to dedepend her? >> if i had to defend her, i'd obviously explore her state of mind. somebody who, as the doctor says, distraught. i can't imagine anybody in a right state of mind putting a 7-year-old on a plane after you have adopted and gone through all of that rigorous process to get to that point and then you just return them like they are day-old bacon that went bad. it is an awful situation. obviously, this is somebody, you know, i don't know about the kid, but obviously, the mother is disturbed. >> i mean, where's the agency to support this woman through all of this? >> larry: doctor, is there such a thing as, remember the name of the old movie, "its bad seed?" >> yes. >> larry: there are bad seeds? >> yes but there are treatments thought to contain it institutions then goes through the system to reach that level of care and that need. there's medication. there are places to go. there are tools to use. >> yeah, used to be -- henry james had that expression, give

me a kid until he is 7, he said until he is 7, and i will determine his outlook for life. but at the same point, you just can't do that with a kid. all kids have issues. >> larry: stacy? >> i think the bottom line is nobody is disagreeing with the fact that she had issues with this child and this child obviously was a problem for her. so it's not the idea that there are issues stemming from the adoption it is the manner in which she chose to resolve it and i think that is what everybody is looking at, how could you possibly have done what you did? and i think she is a nurse, think she has an educated background it is kind of hard to believe that sun would do something like this. >> larry: so something must have, stacy, snapped in her, right? >> yeah. i mean, i think mark's right. everybody is right. she was distraught. i see a lot of cases were parents are distraught. it is not a mitigator -- it could be a mitigator but not an excuse for the behavior. i think in this care like i said earlier, i don't know how you are going to have this all over the news and not going to say something has to be done. it's definitely neither a child abuse or some form of neglect.

anybody on the street would tell you the act was neglectful because of what she did. >> larry: because the child flew out of dulles airport in virginia -- an airport they know pretty well -- abandonment charges have to be filed in virgin virginia. that is what we are told and state department officials are not aware of any federal laws being broken. >> guarantee you, there is a county prosecutor over there somewhere who can find at least five sections that they could charge and i wouldn't be surprised, given the publicity of that that is going to be done. i'm not calling for a prosecution, i'm just saying this whole thing is so inane and insane, to just put a little boy who's 7 years old on a plane because he is spitting and biting you and, you know, he may you can the little devil child, but at the same time, you just don't put a kid on a plane and ship him back. >> absolutely. remember this child has been traumatized. he's lived most of his life in an orphanage to begin with has probably bonding issues, attachment issues, you bring him to another culture, another

language, then you make it where it can't work for him and you send him back. >> larry: were there other children? >> in the home? >> larry: siblings? yeah. >> from what i understand there maybe other children in the home, i don't know if they were siblings of that child. >> larry: russia and adoptions next, don't go away. its foot mapping technology identifies the areas you put pressure on then recommends the right orthotic. for locations see drscholls.com. i'm going to own my own restaurant. i want to be a volunteer firefighter. when i grow up, i want to write a novel. i want to go on a road trip. when i grow up, i'm going to go there. i'm going to work with kids. i want to fix up old houses. [ female announcer ] at aarp we believe you're never done growing. i want to fall in love again. [ female announcer ] together we can discover the best of what's next at aarp.org. [ female announcer ] together we can discover [ birds screech ]

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do now in russia with this? >> the only suspicion i have, they will try to place him or put him back in the orphanage he came, which is awful. we were saying it was a break. live a case where a 5-year-old here in l.a., my client's son, was kicking or spitting at school and your department came and took him away and put a 72-hour hold on him. i mean there are agencies and protocols for doing this. >> larry: do it all the time? what's the success ratio of adoptions of foreigners? >> we don't oversee them that is the problem. we do county public adoptions, we do about 2,000 a year and our fail rate is less than 1% because we support them afterwards. >> larry: if this had happened here, would your department had been involved in this case? >> yeah, it's abandonment. we would have been called in to protect the child and make him safe. >> larry: stacey, have you had abandonment cases? >> yes, nothing to this extent, of course this is just so unbelievable, but, yeah, there are cases where there's abandonment, a parent has just left a child, left the child somewhere.

and mostly, we file a lot of neglect charges, what is why i said early on, think for them not to do something in this case, you are setting a horrible precedent for people. it's just for people to look at and say, well if she doesn't have charges filed against her for putting a child on plane, you are going to put charges against me for leaving my child in a car, as mark said earlier? it just doesn't make sense. >> larry: will this affect russian adoptions, do you think, mark? >> i would imagine that people would think twice. i mean, you hear horror stories, i have heard horror stories about russia, you have heard them about china. but i think most people -- this is the exception to the rule. i just can't imagine that this is -- that this goes on more frequently, otherwise i'd have an adoption channel with horror stories wall-to-wall for some reality. >> children adopted are going to have issues. the extent of them needs to be examined before you make that commitment. >> larry: let's try to fathom, why would a mother with this situation not take a child to a tennessee center, like yours?

>> yeah she's not thinking clearly. she's broken down something. >> larry: she must had been a regular -- >> i treat that a lot but the bottom line is there should be an adult who can step to in keep this child safe. >> how does the kid get on the plane? >> larry: on the plane, stacey, does the flight attendant look at this kid with the sign on him and say -- >> go back. >> larry: go become to your milk? >> that's the interesting thing i don't understand. the sheriff said you said earlier in the show that the sheriff didn't have enough information or anderson said -- >> larry: so far, yeah. >> why didn't you interview the people on the plane, the flight attendants to find out how did he get on? who took him off? who picked him up at the airport. it is my understanding she paid somebody $200 to pick him up in russia and take him wherever he had to go. how did that information come about? all these things need to be investigated in order to file the charges. >> well, plus, apparently, he wasn't so misbehaved that he got kicked off the airplane. >> right. >> nowadays, if you lean back into mitt romney, they take you off the plane.