-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, pam anderson, burning up the stage on "dancing with the stars" is here. to answer the question everyone is asking. is kate gosselin a diva? is pam stepping out with her handsome partner? and was her barely there outfit and this move too hot for primetime. and then drama on the high seas. the guys from "deadliest catch" are used to live threatening surprises. but the loss of a fellow captain knocked them for a loop.

they haven't recovered yet. all next on "larry king live." ♪ >> larry: good evening. pamela anderson, actress, animal rights activist, and she's on tv's number one show right now, "dancing with the stars." she rumbled her way into the next round this week all because of a costume, or lack of a costume, and a routine-ending split that had jaws dropping. how are you doing? >> i'm fine, how are you? >> larry: how did you do that split? >> i was born doing the splits. >> larry: you were born -- was that hard? >> no. no, it wasn't, actually. >> larry: doesn't anything hurt when you do that? >> a little. but it's a good hurt. >> larry: all right. what about this show? why did you take it? >> i love it. i've always wanted to learn how

to dance. i've had this fear of dancing, and i just thought, you know what, they've asked me to do it for so many years, i thought this was the year that fit into my kids' schedule. i rehearse when they're at school. it's a nice challenge in my life right now, so it was something positive. >> larry: you have a fear of dancing? >> well, yeah. everyone around me is always so talented, and musicians are musical, and i love music so much. but i thought this would be a good way to do something technically, like a ball room dance. >> larry: you said you never had a dance lesson in your life? >> yes. >> larry: this was from strach? >> they helped me right from strach. >> larry: are you happy with how you're doing? >> i am. i'm really happy. i want to be better, but i'm happy with what i'm doing. >> larry: we hear the rehearse always are really tough. >> they are. but i like it. i like structure. i need structure. >> larry: no kidding. >> yeah. >> larry: so you finally decided -- you turned it down, though, in the past? >> yeah. >> larry: why did you turn it down? >> it wasn't the right time. i'm not doing "dancing with the stars." but they sent me the season

eight, and i watched it for two days in my room, and i thought, i absolutely have to do this show. it looks like way too much fun. >> larry: are you surprised by how well it's doing? >> it's doing great. >> larry: it's the best season ever. >> it's doing great, yeah. >> larry: you received a lot of attention for the seductive moves, the costumes and a very sexy split. pamela anderson in action on "dancing with the stars." ♪ >> i didn't practice the splits very much, but the rest of it, yeah. >> larry: all right. you've done splits before then, right? >> i was a gymnast when i was

little, like 8, 9, 10. >> larry: that helps. >> yeah. yeah, kept some flexibility. comes in handy sometimes. >> larry: have you had to tone down any of your moves for television? >> what moves? >> larry: come on, pamela. you're a very seductive, sexy person. we all know that. that's a given. >> no, i thought the rumba is the dance of love, and desire, and i thought it was really nice to come out morrow man tick and do it very sweet. >> larry: what do you do after the rumba? >> quickstep. my feet are killing me. >> larry: the fox trot? >> yeah, but faster. a lot of fun, but a lot of steps. it's very quick. >> larry: to what tune? >> am i allowed to say? i don't think i'm allowed to say. i can't say the song. buff it's a quickstep. and it's movie week. so we have to -- they give you a movie, and that's kind of where we go from there. >> larry: clear up reports. >> okay. >> larry: that you say "dancing

with the stars" producers had a talk to you about wearing underwear while you dance. >> no, they followed me around with little nipple covers. >> larry: nipple covers? >> yes. that's it. nothing else. >> larry: did you offer not to wear underwear? >> no, i have never said that, i don't think. that's never come up. nothing's ever come up about that. >> larry: have you had a wardrobe malfunction? >> no, not yet. no. >> larry: could that happen? >> well, they're very, you know, they're very -- they're on top of it. they don't want that to happen. i don't want that to happen. >> larry: do you know what you're wearing next? >> kind of. we looked through -- they've looked through patterns and dress styles and things like that. but that's it. they do it very quickly. damien has a lot to do with it. he really comes up with the costumes. >> larry: here's what the judges have had to say about your performances. watch. >> what's really beautiful about you, you have this certain artistry to all your movements. your body moves so beautifully.

>> pamela anderson can do refinement and elegance and still being drop-dead sexy. >> pamela, you've been titillating yourself, haven't you? >> what? >> titillating. >> you go from character to character. you brought marilyn monroe right back to life. >> i can feel the waves of sensuality. >> for me, perhaps a little bit overdressed. but other than that, i have to say, well done. great dance. >> larry: what do you make of that? were they fair? >> well, i mean, i'm just overwhelmed, because they're being so nice. i have a lot to learn about the technique and everything, but i was really happy to get a good score from len. >> larry: were you surprised at the score? >> yeah, kind of surprised. but we're getting a little bit better each week. and i'm starting to learn how it all works. i've never danced before, so it's not your -- you have to remember steps, and physical

performance. and characterization and all that kind of stuff that goes into it. it's a lot of work. >> larry: what's with kate got lin? she seems to be having problems with her dance partner. we'll have pam straighten out all that drama right after the break. her. this. lives. how ? by bringing together... information. ... people ... ... machines ... ... systems ... ideas... verizon helps businesses worldwide... including fortune 500 companies... find and achieve... better. better. better. better. [ male announcer ] we call it the american renewal. because ge capital understands what businesses need to grow. that's why today ge capital provides critical financing to more than 300,000 growing companies. ♪ key lime pie, pineapple upside down cake, raspberry cheesecake...

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>> larry: willie nelson friday night. welcome back the pamela anderson is our guest. been a lot of drama on this season's show. kate gosselin has been described as having meltdowns on and off the set and clashing with her partner, tony. let's take a look. >> we don't have enough time. i'm stressed. >> really? then why don't you start paying attention to my teaching then. >> i just want to work. show me, so i can get it. i love how you teach but you're not taking into consideration how i learn. >> i've never been questioned on my teaching before. >> please don't make arguments where there's none. >> i quit. >> you can't quit. i don't get it.

>> larry: okay. she's been called a diva, true? >> we don't have these problems. damien and i have so much fun. >> larry: what do you make of her? >> i see her, you know, we're getting other hair and makeup done and we talk about kids. but she hasn't been -- she's been nice. she's been sweet. everyone has been. >> larry: were you surprised at that? >> everyone's having a little meltdowns. there's a lot of tears on the show. a lot of tears. >> larry: have you had any? >> no, i haven't had any yet. i'm not going to. >> larry: you and kate are both single working moms. do you relate to her at all? >> yeah, we do talk about the kids. my schedule is always around my kids. i say i have to go here, make dinner, have to rehearse. that's it. >> larry: do you think she's treated fairly by the media? >> i don't look at the tabloids. i don't know. >> larry: are you close to any of the other contestants? >> i love evan. i've known evan, richie rich has done costumes for him in the past. he's fantastic.

we've become like a little family. >> larry: how do you deal with shannon daugherty? you were both married to the same guy, right? >> both by mistake. >> larry: you both admit it was a mistake? >> she's sweet. >> larry: you get along? >> yes. that didn't count, no. >> larry: you balance each other out? >> yes. >> larry: biggest competitor on the show. who you feared the most? >> fear the most? >> larry: by fear, i mean -- >> you kind of compete against yourself, i guess. but everybody else is so good. evan's good, nicole's good, and i mean everyone has their strengths. and i'm just -- i can't believe we're doing this well. i'm not used to all the compliments. it makes me more nervous and more shy when they say good things. >> larry: in your heart, do you think you might win it? >> i don't know. wouldn't that be fun? i think it would be great. >> larry: it would be great for you. >> it would be fantastic. that would really be a lot of work, though. again, technically when the dances get harder and harder, and we do two dances a show -- my mom's going to come out on sunday and help me with the

boys, thank god. because i've been running from rehearsal to dinner. i've been doing it all myself. >> larry: you're close to your dance partner, damien. we'll meet him a little later. but you said he's the only man in your life. >> the only man in my life, yes. i'm glad i'm not really in a relationship right now. i think that would be harder to do the show. i think it would be difficult. but damien is my entire focus. that's it. we dance all day together and i go home to my kids, he goes home to his girlfriend, and we get to have this really fun, healthy relationship. >> larry: no romantic relationship? >> it's a very sexy romantic relationship, but that's it. >> larry: just for the camera? >> i feel really connected to him. there's a lot of chemistry. >> larry: when you say stuff like that, don't you think his girlfriend -- >> she understands. she understands. >> larry: she's not ticked? >> i don't think so, no. >> larry: you know her? >> yeah. we go out to dinner. she was out to dinner with us last night. she spends a lot of time with us in rehearsal.

her name is peta. you know, like people for the ethical treatment of animals, peta. >> larry: all right. so do you mind the talk that people insinuate that you're having a relationship with your dance partner? >> do i think so? i don't mind it, no, i don't mind it. >> larry: any other romances on the set? aaron andrews and maxim? >> i don't know if there is. i don't know if there is. i have no idea. >> larry: are you dating anybody? >> i'm not dating anybody. just the boys and damien and the show. it's a lot of work. so, no. >> larry: aren't you lonely? >> i am a little lonely. but that's good for the dance. it makes me excited to go to work every day. >> larry: don't young eligible guys ask you out? >> not right now, no. >> larry: no one asks you out? >> not really. i'm not thinking about that. >> larry: you could change that, you know. >> either this, or match.com. that's what i was thinking. >> larry: we'll be back with more of pamela anderson. by the way, if you'd like a date, get online.

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>> larry: pamela anderson's with us. still there on "dancing with the stars." do you think it's harder to date a celebrity? let's not say a celebrity, stockbroker who wants to date you. he has to put up with paparazzi, the press, people looking at you and not him when you go to a restaurant. don't you think it's hard to date -- >> it's very difficult to date, yeah. that's why i'm single.

>> larry: are you a good date when you date? >> i think so. i think so. i really have my little life with my kids and i live in a little bubble. >> larry: how old are they now? >> 12 and 13. >> larry: boys? >> boys, yeah. >> larry: what do you think of the tiger woods thing? >> i think it's too bad everyone had to get so involved in it. i wish him the best. he's a great athlete and that's all we really should be concerned with. >> larry: how about sandra bullock? >> that sucks. that's terrible. >> larry: do you know him? >> yeah, i do know them. so, i feel bad for her. >> larry: do you know jesse? >> i met him before, yeah. through bob. >> larry: do you have any impressions of him? >> no idea -- i had no idea. again, i don't really know what's going on with them personally. i haven't talked to them in a long time. it's too bad it's so public and everyone talks about it. it's hard enough privately. >> larry: how is your health? you've had hepatitis c, right? >> i still have hepatitis c, yeah. >> larry: how does that work? >> well, you know, they say how you feel is a barometer of how

you're doing. and the liver is a regenerative organ, and as long as you take care of yourself, you can live your whole life with it. not even know you have it sometimes. >> larry: what do you take for it? >> i take nothing. home yeah pathic medicine. i have a ton of energy, and that's kind of what you have to base it on. and i get yearly checkups. >> larry: tommy lee is a good friend of the show as well. do you stay in touch with him? >> yeah, i have to. >> larry: oh, yeah. >> i love tommy. >> larry: does he see the boys a lot? >> he sees them. yeah, he sees them whenever he can. he's been helpful lately, which has been nice. >> larry: there were reports that you owed $500,000 in unpaid taxes. >> why, i do owe some taxes. i'm working on it, though. >> larry: how did you get into that? >> it's kind of a -- it's -- you know, construction lawsuits and all sorts of things. last year was a tough thing. i'm getting all that together and getting my house together. everything is resolved. everything is being resolved. i think it just came out.

>> larry: you're a famous animal rights activist, work closely with peta. what do you make of that sea world tragedy? do you think there should be sea worlds? >> i don't think there should be sea worlds, of course not. i think it's terrible. >> larry: they should not be in captivity. >> they should not be in captivity at all. bound to happen, something like that. >> larry: a question came to us through facebook. ask her what she eats to keep in such great shape. >> lots of vegetables. i'm vegetarian, so lots of vegetables. >> larry: are you a vegan? >> i try to be vegan. >> larry: what's the difference between vegan and vegetarian? >> dairy. no cheese, no milk, no dairy, no animal products at all. >> larry: is there a pamela anderson milkshake? >> yeah, a vegan milkshake. >> larry: what goes into it?

>> rice milk and, you know, coconut, pineapple, all sorts of good stuff. >> larry: a good sweet taste? >> it's very good. you have to check it out. >> larry: where do you get it? >> millions of milk shakes. that's what it's called. it's in santa monica. >> larry: after dancing, what are you going to do? >> i don't know yet. i'm working on my home in canada as well. and i want to spend more time home. i have a perfume and i have, you know, hair care and skin care all coming out, too. i have a few things going on. >> larry: pam's partner. her dance partner is next. he'll join us. he'll join us. don't go away.

>> larry: we're back with pam anderson and joining us is damian whitewood, her partner on "dancing with the stars." and the guy teaching her all those moves. all right. when they told you you would be paired with her, what did you think? >> oh, my god. pamela anderson. >> larry: how is it to be on the show? >> i've been dancing for the past 22 years, and i was dancing on broadway for the past seven months. and got in contact with the show, a few of the guys, sent in my details, and -- >> larry: the rest is history. >> here i am. >> larry: what show were you on broadway? >> "burn the fall." >> larry: where are you from? >> australia. >> larry: i knew that.

great aussies. she said she's never had a dance lesson in her life. how difficult was it to teach her moves? >> the best thing possible. because she's got no bad habits. so starting from scratch, and she's listening to everything i say. >> larry: have you had moments like kate gosselin had with her teacher? >> not yet. >> larry: haven't had -- >> no, we haven't had a fight yet. >> we need to get angry at each other. >> larry: it doesn't work. not you two. let's take a look at some rehearsal footage of pam and damian learning a dance. watch. >> pam's really responsive to all the technique i'm throwing at her. she definitely wants to get it right. wow. really getting this, like move fox trot thing happening now. >> i'm so happy at this point in my life and my career that i'm doing something this fun, and actually semi pulling it off. >> that was terrific. >> he's smiling. >> larry: okay, damian, we asked her, we'll have to ask you, how close are the two of you? and you can elaborate.

>> we have a pretty close relationship. we're spending six hours a day with each other. time outside as well. i think it's a good working relationship. you need to get along and have fun. as you can see in our packages, we haven't argued yet. >> no. nothing to argue about. >> larry: what's the time outside? >> oh, what's the time outside? getting to know her family and meet the boys. >> come over and barbecue. >> on the beach. >> larry: does she know your girlfriend? >> she does. she comes along all the time. >> larry: is your girlfriend at all jealous? >> she understands what i'm doing. obviously i've been spending the last four or five years dancing with her. so it's a bit of a break for both of us. >> larry: a girl as bright and beautiful as this, and gorgeous, isn't it hard not to say, well, i still love my girlfriend, now i'm not attracted to this girl. >> his girlfriend is gorgeous. >> she's an amazing woman. amazing woman to work with. i'm very grateful. i'm kind of living the dream, i guess. i'm getting to dance with pamela

anderson, but i get to go home to a beautiful girlfriend as well. i'm a lucky man. >> larry: is your girlfriend in the business, too? >> she's my professional dance partner. >> larry: you dance as a couple? >> yeah. >> larry: she has no qualms about pam? >> she knows what we need to do on the dance floor, and she upses each dance is an entirely different thing. with the rumba, we have to be romantic. >> larry: how is she? >> i didn't know what to expect. she said she had never danced before, so i didn't know where we were going to go. but she's quick at picking things up. >> larry: what kind of teacher is he? >> he's great. he's really firm, really strict, which i like. i can tell when he gets a certain face that i need to try a little harder. when he's smiling, i can tell he's happy. >> larry: here's a question for pam on our facebook page. what dance have you liked the most which you've performed? >> the rumba. >> larry: because? >> i just like -- it was just very romantic and sweet and sexy. all the good stuff. >> larry: can anybody learn to

dance? >> everyone should learn to dance. everyone can, really. listen to the music and let yourself go. >> larry: what's the joy in dancing? >> the joy? >> larry: yeah. >> there's nothing more sexy than a man and woman dancing around the floor for me. it's two people moving as one. >> larry: like sex standing up. >> with our clothes on, yeah. >> larry: sex with your clothes on. >> yeah. >> larry: so, nothing happens with this attraction? i mean, the audience probably would have a tough time believing this. >> really? >> larry: yeah. >> i think it's very good lesson in a relationship, too. it's fun dancing and i go home to the kids. >> larry: this is a hypothetical. >> okay, larry. >> larry: if he didn't have a girlfriend, would you date him? >> what, are you 20? no, i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> no, we can't say that. >> larry: hypothetical.

if you didn't have a girlfriend, would you date her? >> we have to see how we go with the dancing, i think. >> i have to be a much better dancer. >> larry: thank you both very much. we'll be following these exploits. >> good question. >> larry: some of the most dangerous jobs on the planet. but they made it here safe and sound of the the guys from the "deadliest catch" are with us. and they're next. stick around.

♪ >> larry: welcome back. the sixth season of the "deadliest catch" premiered on the discovery channel last night. the stars of the shows -- the show, rather, are with us.

captain sig hanson, captain northwestern working on the high seas for 18 years. captain jonathan hillstrand. captain's time bandit. and hillstrand is the other captain. and captain keith colburn who captains wizard. we understand last night was the highest rated catch episode ever. >> thank you, that's awesome. >> larry: you deserve it. how long are you gone for when you go out? >> just depends on how much quota we're allowed to catch. so, you know, in our younger years, we were gone for 9 to 11 months, you know, out of the year. these days, five to seven months. >> larry: how long have you been doing it? >> all my life. i was 12 the first time i went to alaska. >> larry: jonathan, how far out do you go? >> we're about a week out. five days in dutch harbor and another two and a half days out to sea past that. >> larry: are there different crab seasons? >> king crab are about a day and a half out, a day out. but you're so far from

civilization, dutch harbor's got a bar, a church and a little store. >> larry: where are you doing this, andy? >> it's on the aleutian chain. and we go out to bristol bay for king crab. >> larry: near what big -- >> well, you have the russian line where we can fish on that. we've actually gotten in trouble with the russian navy before. and then bristol bay for king crab. >> larry: is there good money in this? >> yeah. there can be great money in it. this year we had a little bit of a blip. the recession didn't help us any either. because our price is down significantly. from year to year -- >> larry: you get paid by the catch? >> we get paid by the catch. this year it was down quite a bit. it was a little bit of a tough year for us. >> larry: is there a lot of competition with these boats going out? are you all competing with each other? >> oh, of course. it's all about -- it's not just about the competition, but you're competing against yourself as well.

and, you know, when we get out, the flofs are off. you want to make that catch and provide for your family and make your crew money. at the same time you get into town and get your bragging rights if you do well. at the end of the day, the guys -- it's a band of brothers. you know, if they need help, or something -- >> larry: you're going to help out? >> yeah. >> larry: how do you know exactly where to go, jonathan? >> you don't. you set your gear out, spread it out. >> larry: make a guess? >> you spread your gear out, pick your gear up and see what's in it. once you think you've got it figured out, you don't. >> larry: was the perfect storm, andy, about what you do? >> the perfect storm was about swordfish. >> larry: but similar in the dangers of weather and -- >> yeah, some of the roughest waters are in the bering sea. we've been in 120-foot waves before. that's when you think you're going to die. >> larry: keith, did you all know each other before the show? >> yeah, sig and i actually

worked together a little bit before the show. met john and andy, my brother monty was pretty good friends with them before the show. it's a small group. it's the fishery, the crab fleet is a small tight-knit group of guys. >> larry: is the team aspect important? where you're working together? >> no, that's out the window, man. >> larry: so you can hate each other? >> they don't come over here. there's nothing here when you're on the mother lode. >> larry: things can get tense on the boat. fights even occur on land. take a look. >> you were up there with that lady. it wasn't helping you out. >> oh, yeah, whatever. >> it's not just about fishing, it's about the [ bleep ] fishing. >> just knock it off. just try to be a human being, you know? [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> hey, don't [ bleep ] on me for that!

>> hey, hey, hey! >> that's a cheap shot, huh? a sucker punch! >> larry: keith, are things okay now? >> i'm standing, yeah. oh, yeah, we're good. we leave that stuff on the beach. basically once we start fishing, we fish. you know, we all plow into the bering sea to go fish. all that stuff stays behind and we just go fish. >> larry: where do you live? >> seattle. actually, most of the fleet is from seattle. >> larry: you all live in seattle? >> no. >> arizona now. >> seattle. >> larry: arizona? you've got a way to go. you ain't doing this in tent bay. >> no, not happening. >> larry: a death in the "deadliest catch" family hit these guys hard. these guys hard. we'll talk about it next.

♪ ♪ >> larry: he's quite a guy, captain phil harris, guested on this show, captain of the cornelia marie. he was featured on the deadliest catch for a number of years. you guys all close with him? >> i knew him well before the show. and we did a lot of fun things together, other than fishing. he was a good guy. >> larry: died of, what, a heart attack, jon? >> he had a stroke.

and ended up having a brain aneurysm ten days later. >> larry: did you ever sail with him, andy? >> i never sailed with him, no. but we've known him for about 25 years. >> larry: what about you, keith? >> never sailed with him, but the same thing, i've known him nor years and years. just a tough loss for the entire fleet. >> larry: what made him a great fishermen, sig? >> well, you know, the thing about phil is what you see is what you get. he never held back. but he was -- he would have been a good poker player. because he kept those cards close to his chest. you could try to read through the lines, he was good at fibbing. >> larry: do you know how the family's doing? >> they're getting through it. the kids -- it really hit them hard when we buried him. and i could see on the ride back to the hotel, his son just sort of slumped. i was with josh. >> larry: do you know, andy, how the producers of the show handled the death? >> i was still out fishing when phil died. the rest of the guys were back. but i think they handled it well from what i saw on the first episode. they tried to be respectful.

he was a big character on the show. >> larry: you ever fish with his brother and kids, keith? >> no, i haven't. never had the opportunity to fish with the boys. >> larry: are there any female captains? >> back in the '80s we had a gal that ran a boat for a while. what was her name? >> toni. >> tony, yeah. and i think she had some female crew members. usually the gals that do work on deck aren't -- they're pretty stout. >> larry: by the way, phil and his sons were guests last year. we asked him about the art of crab fishing. watch. why do you like crab fishing? other than the monetary rewards. >> you don't think about the money. it's something that's between you and the elements. and it gets in your blood. >> larry: what makes a good crab fisherman? >> catching crab. >> larry: are there certain attributes? do you need good reflexes? strength? >> you have to know what you're doing. you've got five, six, seven guys on the boat. you're telling them when they

can eat, sleep, go to the bathroom. you stay up for days and days and days at a time without sleep. our record was five and a half days. >> larry: he was a great guy. >> yeah, he was. >> larry: andy, what makes a good fisherman? >> well, i don't know. some say you're born with it. it's just your instincts where you think like a crab almost. seems like phil said, either you're behind -- you're in front of it, in between it or you're doing crabbing. it just gets in your instincts and read the way the crab are moving. there's only 70 of us in the world. >> larry: only 70? keith, do you ever have a feeling like you're killing something that's living? >> no. i mean, the fisherys in alaska are some of the most regulated and well-managed fisherys on the planet. there's well stocked right now. we take a minute portion of the biomass off the ground. at the end of the day, we don't kill them, we just give them to the processors, they kill them.

>> larry: it's doing well? >> everybody wants a sustainable fishery. i want a fishery for the next generation and thereafter. keith's right, i mean, politically, the fishermen join in. wer with the feds. it's all regulated. we used to take 45% of the mills off the ground now we're taking only 15% of the males off the ground. we're so conservative, it's -- >> 15% of the four-inch males off the ground. >> larry: how do you know the male from the female? >> the female snow crab is about that big. the male snow crab gets to be about this big. the shell itself. >> he started looking. >> larry: an interesting development this season, it involves a personnel switch on two of the boats. back with that drama after this.

♪ >> larry: back with our captains. when people talk about dangerous jobs, miners have dangerous jobs. how do you rank yours, sig?

>> i would say we're around the top of the list. the strange thing is, i don't think anybody realized it before they started filming. all the statistics came out. the next thing you know, you've got everybody freaked out. >> larry: now you're scared? >> honestly, yes, the older i get, the more afraid i am. >> we can't lie to our wives about what we're doing. >> larry: toyou told me before e break that you get sea sick. why do you do this? >> to pay the bills. i didn't get sick when i was a younger kid. if i go out and haven't been out on the ocean for two months. if i go out 30, 40-foot seas, a few days out, i throw up lunch out the window, and i'm good to go. >> larry: andy, did you ever come close to, do you think, from buying it? >> yeah. we were throwing some lines out and a line went around my hand and pulled on it, and i threw my glove off like that.

there's been a couple times like that, i got a line wrapped around my waist and about killed me. jon saved me, cut me out. >> larry: have you ever scared, in dangerous waters? >> boy, even just last year, i captured a pretty immense wave that just about took out my crew. and, you know, i can honestly say, during the moment, i was never scared. i mean, just everything becomes really clear. you're really focused and you just get through it. after you're out of the situation, whether it's big water or big, whatever, then you have a chance to kind of reflect on it. at that point you get a little shaky. but not during the moment. >> larry: do many people who want to be >> larry: do many people owho want to be fishermen not make it. >> absolutely. a lot of guys hear about it and it is an ego thing. you don't got be big to go fishing. you have to have a big heart and want it bad enough. a lot of times they hear about the money.

that is an incentive. they don't see the other side of the coin. we can go a week or months and not make a dime. >> larry: you come back empty? >> i have come back where we had to pay the boat money, fuel, bait, airplane tickets. >> larry: you are renting the boat? >> i own the boat, but as a crew member, you have to pay the boat. it is not all peaches and creams. >> larry: jonathan, have you ever thought of quitting? >> yeah. this is my 30th season. we were taking saltwater in our fuel, laying on our side, too deep to dump our gear. i came in to offload and saw an airplane coming in and i said i'm getting on that plane. i left my brother -- >> in the ice. >> for two trips. >> larry: you came back? >> yeah. phil harris came two hours after

me to town and i had to say goodbye to phil. >> larry: simple question, why do you like it? >> it is everything about you, mother nature tests you, it is the ultimate man versus nature. unbelievable. >> larry: when you see -- when they forecast bad weather, do you ever not go out? >> if you are in town, you have the option of not going out. we work so far offshore, when you are 200 miles out there is no running and hiding. you have to batten down the hatches and deal with it. >> larry: how long does it take to get out there. >> it depends where you fish. sometimes you are a few hundred miles from the russian harbor. >> larry: take a long way to get out? >> yeah. maybe two days if you are going to go out that far. it is a ways. >> larry: i would think, jonathan, i saw the fight, you would have to get along because you could throw a guy overboard.

>> you have a fight in town, but everybody saves each other on the water. >> larry: did you ever want to throw anyone overboard? >> quite a few. >> larry: do you eat crabs, keith? >> absolutely. i have a freezer full of the stuff. people ask do you get sick of it. it is not like we are eating crab every night. >> larry: all of you do? >> any shell fish, man, i like it. >> larry: do you guys like stone crabs? >> yeah. >> larry: they have seasons in florida, stone crab season. >> king crab is still the best. >> larry: how many can you bring in in a haul, on a great day? >> it depends on the size of the boat. keith's boat is bigger than mine. a hundred average, you pull a hundred pots, you can pull in 70,000 pounds. that is $500,000 in one day. >> larry: how long will you be out for? how many pounds can you bring

back? >> i did 100,000 pounds in 80 hours. >> his boat will hold 400,000. our boat holds 13000,000. his boat holds, what, 170,000? >> larry: you can make a lot of money in two days? >> you can't fill the boat in two days. we'll give it a shot. there were years not long ago when crab stocks were down, where we literally made all our money in 14 fishing days one year. the entire year based on 14 days of fishing. >> all these guys complaining about the economy, they are lucky to have a job. when you are a fisherman, you don't know what is going to happen from one year to the next. >> larry: when we come back, zig and phil switch deck hands. t in. the is line. at your lexus dealer.

>> yeah! >> that's what i'm talking about. >> yeah. that's what we are talking about. >> larry: michele bachmann, ann coulter tomorrow.

we will talk tea party. let's take a look at the two jakes. >> listening to you, josh, you are not his boss for everything. >> i didn't say -- i never told him i was his boss. >> yeah, you did. >> yeah, you did and you know it. he is trying to get another boat on because he is afraid he is going kill you. here's the deal. i need for you to go on the conelia. >> i had a little meeting with siz. we decided to put you on the northwestern and me take jake anderson. >> larry: what was that about, siz? >> i think the kids need to -- we need to take them down a notch. plain and simple. >> larry: and you did? >> well, yeah. the grass isn't always greener. it is a good lesson to learn. >> don't you love the way phil tells it like it is. tells his kid. >> larry: do you see whales.

>> yeah. >> larry: what do you think about whales in captivity, do you have an opinion on that? >> killer whales, we talked to trainers in san diego and they said they never swim with them. >> last year a killer whale jumped up behind us. >> larry: thanks, guys. congratulations, best ratings every. that is the show "deadliest catch" tuesday on discovery. we close on a sad note for the larry king live, family. miriam walker died on easter sunday. she was 94. miriam walker left a remarkable legacy, four daughters, ten grandchildren, including my goddaughter and her brother and two great grandchildren. miriam walker enjoyed a fulfilling, distinguished life. she was sharp and independent minded and right to the end she