tac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight, pam anderson. burning up the stage on "dancing with the stars," is here to answer the question everyone is asking. is kate gosselin a diva? is pam stepping out with her handsome partner? and was her barely there outfit and this move too hot for prime time? and then drama on the high seas. the guys from "deadliest catch" are used to life-threatening surprises. but the loss of a fellow captain knocked them for a loop.

>> what do you mean i could die? >> larry: they haven't recovered yet. all next on "larry king live." ♪ such is the passage of time ♪ suddenly swallowed by signs >> larry: good evening, pamela anderson, actress, animal rights activist and she's on tv's number one show right now, "dancing with the stars." she rumbaed her way into the next round this week with quoot a costume. or lack of a costume. and a routine-ending split that had a few jaws dropping. it's always good to welcome her to "larry king live." how are you doing? >> i'm doing good. how are you? >> larry: how did you do that split? >> i was born doing the splits. >> larry: you were born -- you came out doing the -- i mean was that hard? >> no. no, it wasn't, actually. >> larry: doesn't anything hurt when you do that? >> a little, but it's a good hurt. >> larry: what about the show? why did you take it? >> i love it.

i've always wanted to learn how to dance. i've had this fear of dancing. and i just thought you know what, they've asked me to do it for so many years, and i thought this was the year. it fit into my kids' schedule. i rehearse when they're at school. it's just a nice challenge in my life right now. i thought it was something positive. >> larry: you had a fear of dancing? >> yeah. kind of. well, everyone around me is always so talented and -- you know, musicians are musical. and i just love music so much. but i thought this would be a good way to do something like technically like a ballroom dance. >> larry: you said you never had a dance lesson in your life? >> no. >> larry: so this is from scratch what we're seeing? >> from scratch. damian taught me right from scratch. >> larry: are you happy with how you're doing? >> i am. i am happy. i want to do better, but i'm happy with what i'm doing. >> larry: we hear the rehearsals are really tough. >> they are but i like it. i like structure. i need structure. >> larry: no kidding. >> yeah. >> larry: so you finally decide -- you turned it down, thou though, in the past i'm told. >> yes. >> larry: why did you turn it down? >> it wasn't the right time. i thought i'm not doing "dancing

with the stars." they sent me the season eight and i watched it for two days in my room and i thought i absolutely have to do this show, it looks like way too much fun. >> larry: are you surprised at how well it's doing? >> yeah, it's doing great. >> larry: i think this is the best season ever for. >> i'm glad. it's doing great. yeah. >> larry: you received a lot of attention for the seductive moves, the costumes, and a very sexy split. let's take a look at pamela anderson in action on "dancing with the stars." ♪ because i can't make you love me ♪ ♪ if you don't ♪ [ applause ] >> larry: did you practice that a lot? >> i didn't practice the split very much, but the rest of the routine, yeah. >> larry: have you done splits before then, right? >> i was a gymnast when i was

little, like 8, 9, 10. >> larry: that had to help. >> yeah. kept some flexibility. it's come in handy sometimes. >> larry: have you had to tone down any of your moves for television? >> what moves? >> larry: come on, pamela. you're a seductive, sexy person. we all know that. that's a given. >> thank you. no, i thought the rhumba is the dance of love and desire, and i thought it was really nice to come out more romantic and do it very sweet. >> larry: what do you do after the rumba? >> quickstep. my feet are killing me. >> larry: that's like a fox trot, right? >> yeah. but faster. it's very quick. >> larry: to what tune? >> am i allowed to say? >> larry: yeah. i don't care. >> i don't think i'm allowed to say the song. i am? no. i can't say the song. but it's a quickstep. and it's movie week. so we have to -- they give you a movie -- >> larry: song from the movies. >> they give you a movie, and that's kind of where we go from there. >> larry: clear up reports that

you say "dancing with the stars" producers had to talk to you about wearing underwear while you dance. >> no, just -- they follow me around with little nipple covers. >> larry: nipple covers. >> yes. >> larry: you wear underwear? >> yes, of course. >> larry: did you offer not to wear underwear? >> no, i have never said that, i don't think. that's never come up. >> larry: they haven't said anything to you? >> nothing's ever come up about that. clear that up. >> larry: have you had a wardrobe malfunction? >> no, not yet. >> larry: could that happen? >> it -- well, they're pretty -- they're very -- you know, they're very -- you know, they're on top of it. they don't want that to happen. i don't want that to happen. >> larry: what have they -- do you foe what you're wearing next? >> kind of. we've just looked through -- they've looked through patterns and dress styles and things like that. but that's it. they do it very quickly. and damian has a lot to do with it. he really comes up with the costumes. >> larry: we'll ask about him in a moment. here's what the judges have had to say about your performances. watch. >> what's really beautiful about you is you have this certain artistry to all your movements.

your body moves so beautifully. >> pamela anderson can do refinement and elegance and still be drop-dead sexy. >> pamela, you have been titivating yourself, haven't you. >> what did you say? >> titivating. >> titivating. >> you go from character to character. you brought marilyn monroe right back to life with that. >> i can feel the waves of sensuality. >> for me perhaps a little bit overdressed. but other than that i've got to say well done. great dance. >> larry: what do you make of that? were they fair? >> i'm just overwhelmed because they're being so nice. they are critical too, because i have a lot to learn about the technique and everything, but i was really happy to get a good score from len the other night. >> larry: were you surprised at the score? >> yeah, kind of surprised. but we're getting better each week, and i'm starting to learn how it works. it's kind of -- i've never danced before, so you

have to remember steps and there's a performance and then there's characterization and all that kind of stuff that goes into it. so it's a lot of work. >> larry: what's with kate gosselin? she seems to be having trouble with her dance partner. we'll have pam straighten out all about that drama right after the break. her. this. lives. how ? by bringing together... information. ... people ... ... machines ... ... systems ... ideas... verizon helps businesses worldwide... including fortune 500 companies... find and achieve... better. better. better. better. ♪ [ male announcer ] designed to function the way you function. the lexus rx. ♪ at your lexus dealer.

>> larry: willie nelson, friday night. welcome back. the pamela anderson is our guest. kate gosselin has been described as having meltdowns on and off the set and clashing with her partner, tony. let's take a look. >> can you just show me? we don't have enough time. i'm stressed. >> really? why don't you pay attention to my teaching. >> i just want to learn. show me so i can get it. >> i love how you teach, but you're not taking into consideration how i learn. >> i've never been questioned on my teaching.

>> please don't make arguments where there's none. >> i quit. >> you can't quit. i don't get it. >> larry: okay. she's been called a diva. true? >> we don't have these problems. damian and i have so much fun. we laugh all the way through the -- >> larry: what do you make of her and her problems? >> i see her when we're getting our hair and makeup done and we talk about kids. she hasn't been -- she's just been nice. she's been sweet. everybody has been. >> larry: were you surprised about that. >> everyone has been having meltdowns, there's a lot of tears on the show. >> larry: you too? >> i haven't had any yet. no. i'm not going to. i hope not. >> larry: you and kate are both single working moms. do you relate to her at all? >> well, yeah, we do talk about the kids. and my schedule is around my kids. so i'm always saying i have to go here, i have to make dinner and i'm going to rehearse after here. so that's about it. >> larry: do you think she's getting treated fairly by the -- >> sure. >> -- media? >> oh, the media? i don't look at the tabloids. i don't know. >> larry: are you close to any of the other contestants? >> i love evan. richie rich has designed costumes for him in the past. so we have mutual friends, and he's fantastic. everyone is so sweet.

you really become like a little family. >> larry: how did you deal with shannen doherty, because you were both once married to the same guy, right? >> both by mistake. >> larry: you both admit it was a mistake? >> yes. no. she's sweet. that didn't count. >> larry: that didn't count? >> that didn't count, no. >> larry: they balance each other off? >> yes. >> larry: biggest competitor on the show? who do you fear the most? >> fear the most? you kind of compete against yourself, i guess, but everybody else is so good. evan's good, nicole's good. and i mean everyone has their strengths. and i'm just -- i can't believe we're doing as well as -- i'm not used to all the good compliments. it actually makes me more nervous and more shy when they say good things. i'm used to kind of being -- >> larry: in your heart, do you think you might win it? >> i don't know. wouldn't that be fun? i think it would be great. >> larry: great for you. >> it would be fantastic. that would really be a lot of work though, because again, technically, and the dances get harder and harder. they start doing two dances a show.

my mom is going to come out on sunday and help me with the boys because i've been running from rehearsal to lacrosse to water polo to rehearsal to dinner. i've been doing it all myself. >> larry: you're close to your dance partner, damian whitewood, we'll meet him a little later, but you've said he's the only man in your life. >> the only man in my life is damian. >> larry: elaborate. >> well, i'm glad i'm not really in a relationship right now. i think it would be harder to do the show. i think it would be difficult. but damian is my entire focus. that's it. it's nice to go dance all day together and then he do home -- i go home to my kids. he goes home thoiz girlfriend. and we get to have this really fun healthy friendship. >> larry: there's no romantic relationship. >> it's a very romantic, sexy relationship. but that's it. >> larry: just for the camera? or for the dance. >> i feel really connected to him. there's a lot of chemistry. >> larry: when you say stuff like that and you -- don't you think his girlfriend -- >> she's a dancer too. she understands. >> larry: she's not ticked? >> i don't think so. >> larry: do you know her? >> yeah. we go out to dinner. she was out to dinner with us last night. she spends a lot of time with us in rehearsal.

and her name is peta. so there's a sign. >> larry: like pita, the bread? >> no, like people for the ethical treatment of animals. peta. >> larry: you're into that. i bet you like that. so do you mind the talk that people insinuate that you're having a relationship with your dance partner? >> do they think so? >> larry: do you mind it? >> no, i don't mind it. >> larry: any other romances on the set? erin andrews and maksim chim rofsky? >> i don't know if there is. >> larry: are you dating anyone? >> i'm not dating anybody. no time. just the boys, and damion and the show. it's a lot of work. so, no. >> larry: aren't you lonely? >> i am lonely, but it's good for the dance. makes me excited to go to the show every day. >> larry: don't young eligible guys ask you out? >> not right now, no. >> larry: no one asks you out? >> no. not really. i'm not thinking about that. >> larry: the show is going to change that, you know? >> either this or match.com. that's what i was thinking. no. >> larry: we'll be back with more of pamela anderson. by the way, if you would like a date, get online.

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>> larry: pamela anderson's with us. still there on "dancing with the stars." do you think it's hard to date a celebrity? or someone not a celebrity, let's say a broker, stockbroker wants to date you. he has to put up with the paparazzi, the press, people looking at you and not him when you go to a restaurant. don't you think it's difficult to date someone like you? >> i'm very difficult to date, yeah, that's why i'm single. >> larry: are you a good date when you date? >> i think so. i think so. i mean, i really have my little life with my kids and i live in a little bubble. >> larry: how old are they now? >> 12 and 13. >> larry: boys? >> boys. yeah. >> larry: what do you make of the tiger woods thing? >> i think it's too bad everyone had to get so involved in it. but i wish him the best. he's a great athlete. and we all should -- >> larry: what about sandra bullock? >> that sucks. that was terrible. >> larry: do you know him?

>> yeah, i do know them. i feel bad for her. >> larry: do you know jesse? >> i have met him before, yeah, through bob. >> larry: do you have any impressions of him? >> no idea. i had no idea. and again, i don't really know what's going on with them personally. i haven't talked to them in a long time. it's just all too bad. it's too bad that it's so public and everyone talks about it because it's hard enough, you know, privately. >> larry: how's your health? you've had hepatitis c. right? >> i still have hepatitis c. yes. >> larry: how does that work? >> well, you know, they say how you feel is a barometer of how you're doing. and the liver is a regenerative organ and as long as you take care of yourself you can live your whole life with it and not even know you have it sometimes. >> larry: what do you take for it. >> i don't take anything, homeopathic medicine. i feel good. i have a ton of energy. and that's what you kind of have to base it on. and i get yearly checkups. >> larry: the father of your boys are tommy lee, a good friend of the show as well. >> yes. >> larry: do you stay in touch with him? >> yes, i do. i have to. i do.

no, i love tommy. >> larry: does he see his boys a lot? >> he sees them. he sees them. he sees them whenever he can. he's been helpful lately, which has been nice. >> larry: there are reports that you owed $500,000 in unpaid taxes? >> yes, i do owe some taxes. i'm working on it, though. >> larry: how did you get into that? >> it's kind of -- you know, i'm in construction lawsuits and all sorts of things. last year was a pretty tough year. so i'm getting that all together and getting my house together, and i'm working -- everything is resolved. everything is being resolved. i think it just kind of came out because of "dancing with the stars." >> larry: the government worked with you? >> yes, of course. >> larry: you're a famous animal rights activist. you work closely with peta. what do you think of the sea world tragedy? do you think there should be sea worlds? >> i don't think there should be sea worlds. of course not. i think it's terrible. >> larry: in other words, they should not be in cap pivot? . >> they should not be in captivity at all. it's bound to happen. it's terrible. it's terrible that it's happened. but there shouldn't be sea worlds. >> larry: we have a question came to us through facebook. ask her what she eats to keep in

such great shape. >> lots of vegetables. i'm vegetarian. so lots of vegetables. >> larry: are you a vegan? >> i try to be vegan. i'm getting close to -- >> larry: the difference between vegan and vegetarian is? >> just dairy products really. no cheese, no milk, no dairy, no animal product at all. >> larry: is there a pamela anderson milk shake? >> there is. a vegan milk shake. at millions of milk shakes. i just launched that the other day with peta. >> larry: what goes into it? >> rice milk and, you know, coconut, pineapple, all sorts of good stuff. >> larry: have a good, sweet taste? >> yeah, you have to check it out. >> larry: where do you get it? >> millions of milk shakes. it's a place, that's what it's called. >> larry: it's in santa monica. >> it's in santa monica, yeah. >> larry: after dancing, what are you going to do? >> i don't know yet. i'm working on my home in canada as well. and i want to spend more time home. i have a perfume, and i have, you know, hair care and skin care all coming out too.

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>> larry: we're back with pam anderson, and joining us is damian whitewood, her partner on

"dancing with the stars" and the guy teaching her all those moves. all right. when they told you you would be paired with her, what did you think? >> oh, my god. pamela anderson. lucky me. >> larry: how did you get to be on the show? >> i've been dancing for the past 22 years, and i was dancing on broadway for the last seven months and got in contact with the show, a few of the guys and, yeah, sent in my details and -- >> larry: the rest is history. >> here i am. >> larry: what show were you in on broadway? >> "burn the floor." >> larry: where are you from? >> australia. >> larry: i know that. the great aussies. all right, she says she's never had a dance lesson in her life. how difficult was it to teach her moves? >> that's the best thing possible because she's got no bad habits. so we're starting from scratch, and she's listening to everything i say. >> larry: have you had moments like kate gosselin had with her teacher? >> not yet. >> larry: haven't had a fight yet? >> no. we keep saying that. we need to get angry with each other. >> yeah. >> we tried in the past but -- >> larry: doesn't work. >> no. >> larry: not you two.

let's take a look at some rehearsal footage of pam and damian learning a dance. watch. >> pam's really responsive to all the technique i'm throwing out at her. she really wants to get it right. wow, you're getting this smooth fox trot thing happening. >> i'm so hoopy at this point in my life and and my career that i'm doing something this fun and actually semi pulling it off. >> that was perfect. >> good, he's smiling. >> larry: okay, damian, we asked her, we'll have to ask you, how close are the two of you? and you can elaborate. >> we have a pretty close relationship. we're spending six hours a day with each other, plus time outside as well. and i think it's a good working relationship. you need to get along and have fun. as you can see in our packages. we haven't argued yet. we're having fun. >> larry: what's the time outside? >> what's the time outside? it's time getting to know her family and meet the boys and see the lifestyle -- >> having a barbecue. >> on the beach. >> larry: does she know your girlfriend? >> she does. she comes along all the time.

>> larry: is your girlfriend at all jealous? >> she understands what i'm doing. obviously, i've been spending the last four or five years dancing with her. so it's a bit of a break for both of us. >> larry: a girl as beautiful and bright as this and gorgeous, isn't it hard not to be -- to say, well, i still love my girlfriend, i'm not attracted to this girl? >> his girlfriend's pretty gorgeous. >> she's an amazing woman. amazing woman to work with. i'm very grateful. i'm kind of living the dream. i'm getting to dance with pamela anderson, and yet i get to go home to a beautiful girlfriend as well. i'm a lucky man. >> larry: is your girlfriend in the business as well? >> she is. she's my professional dance partner. >> larry: oh, so you dance as a couple? >> yeah. >> larry: so she has no qualms about pam? >> she knows what we need to do on the dance floor and she understands that each dance entitles different things and like with the rhumba we had to be sensual and romantic. >> larry: how good is pam? how good is she? >> she's good. i didn't know what to expect. obviously she said she's never

danced before, never done any fitness, i didn't know where we were going to go. but she's quick at picking things up. >> larry: what kind of teacher is he? >> he's great. he's really firm, strict, which i like. we do repetitive things. i can tell when he gets a certain face that i've got to try a little harder. and when he's smiling i can tell he's happy. >> larry: here's a question for pam on our facebook page. what dance have you liked the most that you've performed? >> the rumba. >> larry: because? >> i just like the -- it was just very romantic and sweet and sexy. all the good stuff. >> larry: can anybody learn to dance? >> can anybody? everyone should learn to dance. anyone can, really. it's -- you've just got to listen to the music and let yourself go. >> larry: what's the joy in dancing? >> the joy? >> larry: yeah. >> there's nothing more sexy than a man and woman dancing around the floor for me. it sums it up right there. two people moving as one. >> it's good stuff. >> larry: kind of like sex standing up. >> with your clothes on. yeah. >> larry: sex with your clothes on. >> it is. >> larry: nothing happens with this attraction? >> no. >> larry: i mean, the audience

probably would have a tough time believing this. >> really? >> larry: yeah. >> i think it's very innocent. it's a good lesson in a relationship too. he's very sweet. very gorgeous. and it's fun dancing. and then i go home to the kids. >> larry: this is hypothetical. >> okay. okay, larry. >> larry: if he didn't have a girlfriend, would you date him? >> you're like what -- are you 20? i'm sorry. >> thank you. >> no, we can't say that. we can't say something like that. >> larry: it's hypothetical. >> hypothetical. >> larry: if you didn't have a girlfriend, would you date her? >> i'm too old for you. >> we would have to see how we go with the dancing, i think. >> i would have to be a much better dancer. >> larry: thank you both very much. we'll be following these exploits. >> good one. >> larry: they have some of the most dangerous jobs on the planet, but they made it here safe and sound. the guys from "the deadliest catch" are with us. and they're next. stick around. ♪

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♪ ♪ being no concern >> yeah! ♪ point of no return >> whoo! >> larry: welcome back. the sixth season of "the deadliest catch" premiered on the discovery channel last night, highlighting the excitement and danger of alaskan crab fishing. the stars of the shows -- the

show, rather, are with us. captain sig hansen, captains "northwestern," been working on the high seas for 18 years. captain johnathan hillstrand, captains "time bandit." captain andy hillstrand is the "time bandit's" other captain. and captain keith colburn, who captains "wizard." and congratulations to all of you. we understand last night was the highest rated "catch" episode ever. >> thank you, that's awesome. >> larry: you deserve it. how long are you gone for when you go out? sig. >> it just depends on how much quota we're allowed to catch. in our younger years, we were gone for nine to eleven months out of the year. these days five to seven months. >> larry: how long have you been doing it? >> all my life. i was 12 the first time i went to alaska. >> larry: johnathan, how far out do you go? >> we're about a week out, it's five days to dutch harbor, and then another two and a half days out to sea past that. >> larry: are there different crab seasons? >> king crab, we're a day, day and a half out.

but you're so far from civilization, like dutch harbor is a bar, a church, and a little store. >> larry: where are you doing this, andy? where is this that you're fishing? >> it's out on the aleutian change for dutch harbor. and we go out to bristol bay and the bering sea for o'peelia. >> larry: it's near what bay? >> you have the russian line, we've gotten in trouble with the russians before for opelios. and bristol bay for the king crab. >> larry: is there good money in this? >> yeah, there can be great money in it. this year, we had a little bit of a blip. the recession didn't help us any either, because our price was down significantly. so from year-to-year. >> larry: you get paid by the catch? >> paid by the catch. this year, the price was down quite a bit. it was a tough year for us. >> larry: sig, is there a lot of competition when these boats go out? are you all competing with each other? >> of course. it's all about -- it's not just about competition, but i mean you're competing against

yourself as well. and you know, when we get out there, the gloves are off. you know, you want to catch that crab. you want to provide for your family and make your crew money. and then at the same time you get into town and you get your bragging rights if you do well. but then at the end of the day you know, the guys are still -- it's a band of brothers. if they need help or -- >> larry: you're in the same game. >> you're going to help out. yeah. >> larry: how do you know exactly where to go? johnathan. >> you don't. you set your gear out, spread it out. >> larry: educated guess? >> well, you just spread your gear out, pick your gear up, and see what's in it. but once you think you've got it figured out, you don't. >> larry: was the perfect storm, andy, about what you do? >> "the perfect storm" was about sword fishing on the east coast. but -- >> larry: but similar, in the dangers of weather and -- >> yeah, exactly. we pretty much -- some of the roughest waters are in the bering sea. we've been in 120-foot waves before. so it's just -- that's when you think you're going to die. >> larry: keith, did you all know each other before the show?

>> yeah. sig and i actually worked together a little bit before the show. you know, met john and andy. my brother was pretty good friends with them before the show. it's a small group. the fishery and the crab fishing fleet is a small, pretty tight-knit group of guys. >> larry: is the team aspect important? the four of you working together. >> no. that's out the window, man. >> larry: so you can hate each other? >> you lie to each other. >> you lie to them. say, don't come over here, there's nothing here when you're on the mother lode. >> larry: i'll show you about that. things can get tense on the boat. fights even occur on land. take a look. >> he set you up with that solid lady. triple toe of pots. wasn't helping you out? >> oh, yeah. thanks. >> huh? >> whatever. you're catching -- >> so it's not about fishing, it's about the [ bleep ] outside fishing. >> talk about it. >> knock it off. just try to be a human being. don't kill your brothers. >> hey, don't [ bleep ] go down on me for that!

what the [ bleep ] is that cheap shot, huh? sucker punch. >> larry: keith, are things okay now? >> i'm standing, yeah. >> oh, yeah, we're good. you know what i mean. we leave that stuff on the beach. basically, once we start fishing, we fish. we all plow into the bering sea, all that stuff stays behind and we just go fish. >> larry: where do you live? >> seattle. actually, most of the fleet is from seattle. >> larry: you all live in seattle? >> no. alaska and seattle. arizona now. >> seattle. >> larry: arizona. you've got a way to go buff get -- >> yeah. >> larry: you ain't doing this in tempe. >> yeah. not out in it. >> larry: a death in the "deadliest catch" family hit these guys hard. we'll talk about it next. with less drowsiness than benadryl. it does all that? chlor-trimeton. less drowsy relief that lasts 12 hours.

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>> larry: he was quite a guy, captain phil harris. he guested on this show. captain of the "cornelia marie." he died during the crab season, and he was featured on "the deadliest catch" for a number of years. you guys all close with him? sig? >> i knew him well before the show. and we did a lot of fun things together, other than fishing. it was a -- he was a good guy. yeah. >> larry: he was quite a guy. he died of what, a heart attack, johnathan? >> he had a stroke and then ended up having a brain aneurysm ten days later. >> larry: did you ever sail with him, andy? >> i've never sailed with him, no, but we've known him for about 25 years. >> larry: what about you, keith? >> never sailed with him, but same thing, i've known him for years and years. and just a tough loss for the entire fleet. >> larry: what made him a great fisherman, sig? >> you know, the thing about phil is what you see is what you get. he never held back, but he would have been a good poker player, because he kept those cards close to his chest.

you know, you could try to read through the lines. he was good at fibbing. he knew what he was doing. >> larry: do you know how the family is doing? >> they're getting through it. the kids, it really hit them hard when we buried him. and i could see on the limo ride back to the hotel he just sort of slumped. that was with josh. >> larry: do you know, andy, how the producers of the show handled the death? >> i was still out fishing when phil died. the rest of the guys were back. but i think they handled it well from what i've seen on the first episode. they tried to be respectful. but he was a big character on the show. >> larry: did you ever fish with his brother and kids, keith? >> no, i haven't. never had the opportunity to fish with the boys. >> larry: are there any female captains, deck hands? any? >> back in the '80s we had a gal that ran a boat for a while. what was her name? >> toni. >> toni, yeah. and i think she had some female crew members if i'm not mistaken. >> little five-foot pots, though. >> usually, the gals that do work on deck, they're not exactly -- they're pretty stout. >> larry: by the way, phil and

his sons were guests, as we mentioned, on the show last year. we asked him about the art of crab fishing. watch. >> larry: why do you like crab fishing? other than the monetary rewards. >> you don't think about the money. it's something that's between you and the elements. and it gets in your blood. >> larry: what makes a good crab fisherman? >> catching crab. >> larry: i mean are there certain attributes, you need good reflexes, you need strength -- >> you have to know what you're doing. you have five, six, seven guys on the boat and you've got to -- you're telling them when they can eat, sleep, go to the bathroom. you stay up for days and days and days at a time without sleep. our record is 5 1/2 days. >> larry: great guy. >> yeah, he was. >> larry: andy, what makes a good fisherman? >> well, i don't know. some say you're born with it. but it's just your instincts to where you think like a crab almost. phil said either you're behind -- you're in front of it, you're in between, or you're doing crappy. you just kind of get your

instincts and you just kind of read the way the crab are moving, and it just takes -- there's only 70 of us in the world. >> larry: only 70. >> only 70 crab fishermen in the world. >> larry: keith, do you ever feel like you're killing something that's living? >> no. the fisheries in alaska are some of the most regulated fisheries in the planet. the crab stocks are healthy. they're doing really well. and we take just a minute portion of the male biomass off the ground. at the end of the day, we don't kill them, we give them to the processors, they kill them. >> larry: they control it well, then, the fisheries? >> everybody wants a sustainable fishery. and that's what it's all about. i want a fishery for the next generation and thereafter. and so keith's right. i mean, we're -- politically, the fishermen join in. we're with the feds. i mean, it's all regulated. we used to take 45% of the males off the ground. now we're only taking 15% of the males off the ground. so i mean, actually, we're so conservative, it's too much. >> 15% of the four-inch males

off the ground. >> larry: how do you know the male from the female? >> female snow crab is about that big. you know, and the male snow crab gets to be about this big. >> female is better-looking. >> larry: an interesting development this season involves a personnel switch on two of the boats. boats. back with that drama after this.

♪ going to rise up turn mistakes into gold ♪ >> larry: back with our captains. when people talk about dangerous jobs in the -- miners have dangerous jobs. how do you rank yours, sig? >> i'd say we're on the top of the list. the strange thing is i don't think any of us realized it before they started filming. all these statistics came out. next thing you know, you know, you've got everybody freaked out. >> larry: now you're scared? >> yeah. honestly, the older i get the more afraid i am. >> it's harder to lie to our wives now about what we're doing. right? >> larry: johnathan, you told me

during the break you get sea sic. >> yeah. >> larry: why then would you do this? >> it pays the bills. and i didn't get sick when i was younger, when i was a younger kid. when i was like 30 -- if i go out and i haven't been on the ocean for two months, i go out and there's 30, 40-foot seas, for about 2 1/2 days into it i throw up lunch out the window, and then i'm good to go. >> larry: andy, have you ever come close, did you think, to buying it? >> yeah. we were on the boat one time, and i was -- we were throwing some lines out, and a line went right around my hand and started pulling on it and i kind of just threw my glove out like that. that would have pulled me over. i would have been gone like that. there's been a couple times where i got a line wrapped around my waist and almost killed me. cut me out. >> larry: keith, have you ever been scared in dangerous waters? >> even last year, they captured a pretty immense wave that just about took out my crew. and i can honestly say during the moment i was never scared. just everything becomes really

clear. you're really focused and you just get through it. after you're out of the situation, whether it's big water or big whatever, then you have a chance to kind of reflect on it. at that point you get a little shaky but not during the moment. >> larry: do many people who want to be fishermen not make it? >> absolutely. i think a lot of guys go up there, they hear about it and it's all an ego thing or a guy, you know, some kind of testosterone that kicks in. but the fact is you don't got to be big to go fishing. you just have to have a big heart and you've got to want it bad enough. and a lot of times they hear about the money. that's an incentive. but then they don't see the other side of the coin. we can go for weeks or months and not make a dime, and i don't know if a lot of guys are willing to sacrifice that. >> larry: you mean you come back empty? >> i've come back where we've had to pay the boat money. we've owed the boat money. you're paying for fuel, bait. your airplane tickets. >> larry: you're renting the boat? >> we own the boat, but i'm just saying as a crew member you own the boat. and now you've got to fish the

next season and pay up for what you're behind. it's not all peaches and kraernlgs man. >> larry: johnathan, have you ever thought of quitting? >> yeah. this is my 30th season. and we're taking saltwater on our fuel, laying on our side, too deep to dump our gear. and i came in to off-load at st. paul island, i seen that airplane coming in, i said i'm getting on that plane. and i left my brother -- >> in the ice. >> -- for two trips. >> larry: but then you came back? >> yeah. and phil harris came 12 hours after me to town, and i got to say good-bye to phil. >> larry: simple question, andy. why do you like it? >> why do i like it? i think it tests -- it's everything about -- mother nature tests you the whole time when you're out there, it's just like -- it's the ultimate man versus nature. unbelievable. >> larry: when you see -- when they forecast bad weather, do you ever not go out? >> well, if you're in town, you have the option of not going out. but we work so far offshore,

larry, that when you're 200 miles out there's no running and hiding. you're pretty much out there, and you've got to just kind of batten down the hatches and just deal with it. >> larry: how long does it take to get out there? >> depends where you fish. but sometimes you're right but the russian border. you could be 200 to 300 miles from dutch harbor. you're in the middle of nowhere. >> larry: take a long time to get out to where you're going to fish? >> yeah, it's going to take you two days if you go out that far. so it's a ways. >> larry: i would think -- johnathan, i saw the fight. you'd have to get along. you can throw a guy overboard. >> if we're mad at each other, you'll fight in town and then save each other in the water. >> larry: ever want to throw anyone overboard? >> oh, there's been quite a few people you want to throw over. use them for crab bait and put them in the pot. >> larry: do you eat crab, keith? >> yeah. absolutely. i have a freezer full of the stuff. people ask, do you get sick of it? it's not like we're eating crab every night. i love crab. >> larry: you too? >> any kind of shellfish. >> it's delicacy.

>> any shellfish, i love it. >> larry: you guys like stone crabs? >> yeah. we've had stone crabs. >> larry: they have seasons in florida, stone crab season. >> love 'em. >> king crab is still the best. >> larry: how many can you bring in, in a haul, on a great day? >> oh, on a great day -- it depends on the size of the boat. keith's boat's bigger than mine and i'm a little bigger than their boat. on a good day let's say you're getting 100 average, you pull 100 pots, something like that. >> 70,000 pounds. >> 70,000 to 100,000 pounds a day. >> that's a half million dollars in one day. >> larry: and how long will you be out for? what's the most pounds you ever brought back? >> i did 100,000 pounds in 80 hours. that was a $500,000 load in 80 hours. >> our boat only holds 130. his boat holds what, 170? >> larry: and you can make a lot of money in two days? >> well, you can't fill the boat in two days. but we're going to give it a shot. yeah. there were years not long ago when the crab stocks were down,

where we literally made all of our money in 14 fishing days one year. the entire year of our finance, based on 14 days of fishing. >> and think about it. all these guys complaining about the economy, they're lucky to have a job. because you know, when you're a fisherman you don't know what's going to happen from one year to the next. >> larry: when we come back, sig and phil will switch deck hands. we'll talk about it after these words. compare a well equipped lexus es, to a well-equipped buick lacrosse. get inside each. and see what you find.

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a switch this year had phil and sig switching deck hands. one of them was phil's john. let's look at the two jakes. >> you don't listen to you and josh. you can't -- you're not his boss for everything. >> i didn't say -- i never told him i was his boss. >> yeah, you did. >> no, i didn't. that's [ bleep ]. >> he's calling up trying to find another boat to get on because he's afraid he's going to kill you. >> here's the deal. i need for you to go on the "cornelia." >> i just had a little meeting with sig. and we've decided to put you on the "northwestern" and me take jake anderson. >> larry: what was that about, sig? >> i just think the kids need to -- we needed to take them down a notch. plain and simple. >> larry: and you did. >> well, yeah. that's the deal. i mean, the grass isn't always greener. so i think it's a good lesson to learn. >> don't you just love the way phil says it like it is? just goes and tells his kid. >> larry: do you guys see whales? >> sure. >> thousands.

>> larry: what do you think about whales in captivity? do you have an opinion about that? >> they might eat you. >> well, killer whales and stuff, we were talking to the trainers in san diego, they said they'd never swim with them in the wild. >> it was wild when that killer whale jumped up behind us and that kind of jumped. now you see. >> larry: thanks, guys. continued good fortune with the show. congratulations, best ratings ever. that's the show "deadliest catch," tuesdays on discovery. we close on a sad note for the "larry king live" family. miriam walker, mother of my senior executive producer, wendy walker, died on easter sunday. she was 94. miriam walker left a remarkable legacy, four daughters, ten grandchildren including my goddaughter amaya and her brother walker. and two great grandchildren. miriam walker enjoyed a fulfilling distinguished life. she was sharp and independent minded and right to the end, she