>> larry: tonight, george lopez exclusive. he's following conan o'brien on tbs this fall. >> so you're going to move for the white man, huh? >> i am, i am. >> hey, i hope he appreciate this. >> i think the white man does appreciate it very much. >> then you don't have to clean or park or nothing, right? >> no. >> larry: george reveals for the first time how he helped seal the deal for team loco. and bill cosby on bullying, the cause and his alter ego fat

albert have had it. >> people get attention by being mean, and that's a bully. >> larry: they're defending kids who get picked on, beaten up, and driven to suicide by other kids. all next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening, george lopez is just finishing up with the taping of his show. there's the live studio. that's where the taping happens. here's some of the conan humor from "lopez tonight" hot off of the press, watch. >> every time i say i'm down with conan, we're loco together. they look at me like i have to take a breathalyzer. will you breathe into this. i'm glad conan is coming. okay? i'm glad. i'm glad.

>> larry: george will be with us in a little while. we welcome back our friend, the one and only dr. bill cosby. dr. marlin irving is with us. she's ceo of irving and associates, character education services. they're here to talk about bullying. the case of phoebe prince is the latest to make news. she may have been bullied to death allegedly by schoolmates who were charged in the case. and there were others. surveys indicate one-third of american kids have bullied or have been bullied. some 100,000 children skip school every day fearing insults and worse. bill, what do you make of this? >> i think that the adults -- and there are supposed to be adult adults who have gone to college, studied psychology or something, who are around these children or

should be around these children -- they should be able to recognize it when they see it as they walk around the hallways, as the kids are sitting in the classrooms. they should be able to recognize it and play it for real. i'm really asking all of them to -- to wake up because for a child to hang him or herself to me that's a very, very violent, violent act. a way of taking yourself out because some people are practicing hatred towards you, whether they know what they're doing or not. >> larry: dr. irving, why do people bully? do we know the psychology of

bullying? >> i think people bully because of low self-esteem and problems that stem from home. usually children who are bullied at home tend to bully in school. is it more of it now or are we hearing more about it now? >> i think it's more of it now and that stems from children watching tv and looking at violence on tv shows. i think it has to do with the technology of students not being supervised or monitored using the computer. >> i think -- i agree wholeheartedly, you know, you see things on whatever youtube or something. and it looks like the more you see it, the more it could be thought of as, well, that's

normal. and i don't want anybody saying, well, what is normal. if you see it enough, pretty soon in your mind the minds of these kids or whatever, it may be a fun, fun thing to do to somebody. and when you see people fighting, when you see videos of people beating on somebody and it's on tv and it's called reality tv or whatever, i think an awful lot of kids are going to imitate that, to give themselves a feeling of power. >> larry: well, by the way, bill cosby and the celebrated series fat albert and the cosby kids combined animated education to take on social issues. one episode includes this musical message about bullies. watch. ♪ are you a bully ♪ ask yourself why

♪ are you really happy ♪ being that kind of guy ♪ you'll never have friends ♪ if you'll always be ♪ you'll be the loneliest kid ♪ that you've ever seen >> larry: taking us back in time. fun to see that. and important too. was cosby ahead of his time. we'll also ask the doctor of the definition of a bully that could be physical or psychological. we'll be right back.

>> larry: fat albert and the cosby kids for a character debate. what is bullying?

>> bullying is when somebody intentionally cause harm or sigh hurtful things to others. >> larry: and it can be psychological or physical, right? >> it can be psychologically, physical, or verbal abuse. >> larry: bill, wasn't there bullying when you were a kid? >> big time. >> larry: did you always see bullying? >> big time. one of the stories that i think you and i since we're of that age can remember -- i don't know if you had a parent like it, but certainly people your age. you remember when the big guy beat up the -- beat you up. and you came home crying. and your mother or your father said let's go back out and made you fight the bully. did you ever hear that? >> larry: no. i heard of it, but it didn't happen to me, bill. >> you had your own tv show when you were a kid. >> larry: no, my father had

passed away. and my mother -- i was bullied a little, but not a lot. >> yeah, well anyway, of course you did. we had guys on the corner. i was born in 1937, there were guys on the corner, young teenagers. and the point, larry, is these adults have to get in now. this is something that cannot just fly away and happen by itself. if you're in charge, if you're a teacher, if you're someone in a rec center or something, recognize it and it can be stopped. kids understand and bullies as -- as you were asking -- a long time ago, bullies had different philosophies about when to bully and when not to bully. and this thing of getting together and staying on a person who may before the bullying

started a kid may be very depressed without even happening. and then by the time you apply it, the bullying and you stay on it -- i call it a form of hate and hatred. if you don't realize you're bullying, somebody tells you, you stop it. >> larry: what makes a kid, bill, do you think susceptible to bullying? >> depression. i think a kid may be have low self-esteem, want to belong, or have some -- someone or people at home not giving the strength and/or looking at the child and saying, you know, how do you feel today? i think also that these kids have too much time in the room alone at home with the computer and this becomes very important to them. it becomes another life -- one that they disappear out of the

home and away from the parent or the love care giver. >> larry: dr. irving, what kind of kids get bullied? >> children who have low self-este self-esteem, children like cosby mentioned or who are depressed. and usually who do not have a support system at home. not only not have a support system at home, but if they see bullying at home, they maky cary it to the school. >> but also, the computer -- this is a new life that kids get into and want to join and want to be a part of. when they see these things, see they're able to tune in and see a group of people beating somebody up, because the kids who join in also to get together, to pick on someone,

there's a -- there's a group -- i saw on the news thing washington, d.c. about four years ago, that four or five girls going up and down the subway following a girl and beat her up because they knew that she was still a virgin. >> larry: oh boy. we'll be back with more from bill cosby and dr. marilyn irving. what does he think about the late-nights goings on. don't go away.

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>> larry: george lopez is our guest at the bottom of the hour. he'll be with us from the set of "lopez tonight" just ahead. we'll even ask cosby what he thinks of the late-night shuffle involving o'brien and lopez. back to the important topic of bullying. take a look at the fat albert and cosby kids' episode on bullying. important, watch. >> why do you also harassing us

kids, slappy? >> because i feel like it, see? >> you wouldn't do this to fat albert. >> that tub of lard don't scare me none. >> slappy -- up -- >> if fat albert was here, i'd tell him a few things. >> hey, hey, hey -- what you got to say? >> larry: let's take a call for bill cosby springfield, illinois. hello. >> hello, how are you, larry? >> larry: good. >> craig: i have a question for dr. cosby. does he think bullying is something new within the last ten years or twenty years? what is his time frame? >> no, it's not new at all. at all. >> larry: we hear more about it, right? >> it's not that we're hearing about it. what we're getting is at a point where people who should be

handling the situations appear to be ignoring it. >> larry: teachers or -- >> of every -- the school, the parents, people need to look at their children and they need to really find out what's going on with so and so. you're not yourself today. what's your problem? we may also have a problem because the kid may not -- may be caught up in -- well, i don't want people to think i'm a snitch. a lot of things are going on. we have to look at our kids. >> larry: do you see any improvement at all? we had a suicide two weeks ago? >> go to work with dr. cosby. sometimes bullying is being ignored and it's ignored by i think the school districts. >> larry: ignored how? they don't -- >> let me put it this way, if

you look at some schools, there's one counselor for 420 kids. unless that child really steps out and comes to that counselor, how would one know? >> larry: take a call. tucson, arizona, hello? tucson, arizona, hello. >> craig: how are you? bill cosby -- and what i think you guys are great, i'm only 55. and my question is this -- when we bullied back when we were kids, it was restricted to a group of kids. maybe ten kids. now with the internet, do you think that the internet -- 24-hour news cycles, i don't

remember anybody committing suicide when bullied. the internet spreads out around the world, the local government, everywhere. that adds to the pressure of what the recipient of being bullied is. >> larry: good point, bill? >> yes, it does. it does because for example when phoebe prince was being bullied, it's called cyberbullying with when children post bad things about other children, where they say hurtful things. they spread rumors. and if a child has a low self-esteem, it's very hurtful and will cause the child to become depressed and fearful. >> larry: were you shocked when administrators in the case had

no idea what was going on? >> i don't know if shocked is the word as much as i did not believe -- i don't remember that you can take the job as a teacher, as a superintendent, as a principal and not recognize when you're being told by parents. for instance, when our daughter erica had a problem, she reported it to us. mrs. cosby then went to the school. the school immediately -- and eri erica's maybe 7, 8 years old. immediately brought the parents in of the child who was doing the bullying. and it -- it worked. >> larry: yeah. we've got more coming up. was george lopez, by the way, the key to conan's deal with

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>> larry: take a call.

hattiesburg, mississippi. hello. >> craig: hi, thanks, larry. this is for dr. cosby. i work with a grassroots anti-bullying campaign called the coastal factor. we try to fight bullying through education, communication, and legislation. what do you think of the criminalization of bullying behavior? >> larry: what about making it a crime, bill? >> first of all, i think that it is hateful and secondly, i don't know what you're going to do with all these kids. because most of your prisons like the state of california is now -- i just think they have prison camps -- i don't think the state of california has anything to do with turning the criminal line around in terms of behavior to put a person back in to society -- >> larry: these nine people have been charged with the case of

the girl who committed suicide. do you think they should be criminally charged? >> i think they need to be fixed if they are charged, why are we charging them? you're a taxpayer, i'm a taxpayer. if they go to jail, you and i are responsible for paying $41,000 or more a year for them to be incarcerated. what is prison supposed to be about? >> larry: supposed to rehab and punishment at the same time. >> that's what i want. but if you're not going to rehab them, we're not making any sense. so put them in and put -- let's hire psychiatrists to work with these people and turn them around. >> larry: makes sense. before you leave us, bill, we have to ask, what do you make of what's going on late night, lopez, o'brien, leno. what do you make of all of this? >> i'm sorry i started it. it's all because i wouldn't -- i didn't want my own show at that

hour. so now all three of these people are just wandering around -- the networks are having a terrible time. you turned down a late-night show. >> i turned everybody down. i turned down george lopez. >> larry: why did you turn them down? oh. >> george wanted me to take conan's spot. and i said no to george. then conan -- conan offered me george's slot. and i turned it down. then -- >> larry: so -- >> somebody else came along. i think it was george burns or -- was it carlin -- somebody asked me, i'll have none of it. >> larry: thank you, bill cosby for setting us straight. and now you know the rest of the story. dr. marilyn irving and bill cosby, thank you so much. half of team loco is standing by ready to launch tbs's new late

"nightline"up. the george lopez -- the george lopez, is next. george, you ready to go? >> i'm ready to go on. i want to profess my love to bill cosby, also. i love bill. >> larry: well done. get ready to laugh. we'll be right back.

>> one day after the big announcement, i must tell you that i am still down with team loco. conan o'brien! george lopez. and the reporters keep asking me the same questions -- they even all sound the same -- "george, are you happy that conan o'brien is coming to tbs? are you? are you happy?"

i'm really happy. really -- i'm a latino, i'm never happy. i'm really happy. >> from "the tonight show" yet to be seen. he'll be on later. actor, comic, and host of executive producer of "lopez tonight" on america's most favorite channel these days, tbs. he played a role of bringing conan o'brien to tbs. so, george, conan, and i are all working for the same people all with you. george lopez is working from the set of "lopez tonight," part of team loco as he calls it. give it to us straight. the story is you called up, conan is hesitant to do this. you don't want to see somebody get bumped to a later time that you personally called conan and assured him it was okay. >> absolutely, larry. last wednesday steve coonan, the

head of tbs flew to my office and said i have something that sounds crazy. i want to propose this for you. if i don't have your blessing, this deal does not go forward. what do you think of conan o'brien coming to tbs and taking the 11:00 spot and you go to midnight. he said, i think it's fantastic. he said, will you call conan and tell him how you feel about tbs and how we do business. i said absolutely. tbs and warner brothers has nothing but great to "lopez tonight," nothing but great to me. and conan is a wonderful asset to the tbs family. and also, i believe that this combination, almost the same sex desi arnaz and lucille ball, if you will, will take late night in to a new generation. and change the landscape. larry, i'm a latino, i know something about landscape, it's going to be fantastic come november. >> larry: george, what did conan say to you when you called him and said it was all right with you? what did he say to you?

>> you know, everybody's been asking me this question. i haven't answered this question from the time conan and i last spoke on sunday. i'm going to tell you, respectfully on sunday, conan will not have an issue with this. what he was concerned with was that he wasn't going to do to me what was done to him at nbc. that was his biggest concern. he did not want to get, as they say on twitter, "lenoed." i'm not getting "lenoed." i'm welcoming conan. moving to midnight -- i go to work an hour later? a dream come true. and the pay's the same? conan o'brien wanted to know that he could do the type of show that he wanted to do. and the biggest concern that he was not going to do to me what was done to him. that was not the case. if you hear about that, you didn't hear it from me. that's not the case. >> larry: in the conversation, did he tell you he was going to take the deal? >> you know, he didn't tell me that he was going to take the deal. i didn't hear about it until the morning when i was in a meeting

this monday morning. and everything changed. everything -- i almost feel like -- i feel like dancing with the stars. i got voted on to the next week. my profile is changed in a day. no longer did i get confused with eric estrada or rodriguez anymore. i'm george lopez, jorge, you know? >> larry: did you think he would take it after you spoke to him? >> i know the one thing that was important to him, the freedom of doing the show that was edgy, doing the division of his own show like we do at "lopez tonight." when we go to cable, there are no stations or no affiliates. they allow you to do your type of show. i believe the system of the network talk show is a little dated. larry, the guys are a little older, they're not as fresh. people are tuning away. the demographic for "lopez tonight" is 33 years old. it's amazingly young.

with conan, a contribution to a dynamic two-hour block every night. come on -- i don't have to -- it sells itself. come on. >> larry: are you saying -- are you predicting, then, that these shows are going to do very well -- the 11:00 and the 12:00? >> i'm predicting the shows are late night tv. the shows are on friday night. and in november, i've been doing that. and conan is a fantastic addition to tbs. he's on earlier. he needs to get out earlier and get out and get some sun. i want us to eventually end up being the same color. >> larry: you have a goal. >> i have a goal. we want to end up the same color. and the size of our heads, no one is going to -- no one is going to miss the show. >> larry: we'll ask if the suits anted up for george since he helped to land conan. did he get anything extra for this? a big bonus, big thank you, big

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>> larry: all right, george. you pull this off, you called him, if you didn't do it, they wouldn't have got him. did tbs give you any special extra things for this?

>> well, i can probably say right now, unofficially and allegedly, a word that i like to use, that i probably will be picked up for another season. >> larry: uh-huh. >> i feel comfortable enough putting tbs on the spot with you. the contract could have been up, you know, in a couple of weeks. so i -- i believe that i will continue for another year. >> larry: i would -- >> and here's the beautiful part. you always know someone is making more money than you when the terms of their deal aren't disclosed. >> larry: by the way, do you know where conan will do his show from? where he'll work physically? >> i believe it would be done at warner brothers. we're trying to keep it close. we want to have something you don't see in late night. we want to have synergy. craig ferguson and letterman, east coast, west coast. conan and i talked about him

doing things together. about him being in the lot, he and i doing pieces back and forth which is innovative for late night tv. >> larry: is there space there? is there room on the lot they could build a nice studio by november? >> well, i'm prepared to blow out dark blue which is on the stage next to me. "big bang theory," hands off, "two and a half men," hands off, "deep blue" maybe we can get them to move out. >> larry: legally prohibited from being funny on television. but he was still featured in a way on last night's "lopez tonight." watch. >> i look forward to you being a lead-in opposite family guy. >> why don't you two get together and have a couple of spanish love children. >> all right, that's it, conan, he's your lead-in. he's head and shoulders above your former lead-in. >> hey, i followed a baby for years.

>> funny -- taking a shot at me. that's hitting below the denim belt. i'm the victim here too. i'm not the bad guy. you guys car pooled in the rubble seat. did you see, tiger had a tough weekend. did you hear about that. hey, we've got big guests coming on the show. >> woup, now he's trying to take over the sketch. >> larry: funny, george. funny stuff. >> thank you. >> larry: by the way, do you have any background with conan? are you friends? do you know him well? >> you know, i was on conan's show twice in 2004. in 2003, we co-hosted the emmys together. we've been cordial and honest together. i think it's interesting in hollywood, this deal was brokered the way the deals used to be done. a guy comes in the office, this is my intention, if i have your blessing, this is what i'm going to do. i picked up the phone, called conan on wednesday. he started to mull it over. i talked to him on sunday night, man-to-man, i got his number, picked up the phone.

we did it the way things used to be done, face-to-face, phone call-to-phone call. that's the kind of integrity that conan has. he wanted to make sure that i wase happy moving to midnight. that i was okay. he would not have come over if he would even feel a little bit like he was going to have done to him what jay leno did to him? >> larry: honestly, were you team cocoa or team leno? >> i have to tell you the truth -- if a show is promised to somebody, then that person should have a chance to succeed or fail on his own terms. the 10:00 show that jay leno did in front of conan o'brien was a disservice to conan having a fair shot of succeeding as the host of "the tonight show." it was offered to him six years before. it was not a surprise. and in my opinion, as george lopez, i don't think jay leno should have done a show at 10:00. >> larry: so you were team coco -- >> i'm team coco -- now i'm team loco.

>> larry: you know, that crossover idea is interesting. are we going to see him the beginning of yours, you'll come on at the end of his. you'll be like a team. >> you know, i think that would work. conan, unfortunately, with a significant amount of severance that he was given has been asked to stay off for the -- until the end of september. it was given by nbc $1 million a day till the end of september to stay off. >> larry: not bad. we would have taken that. >> i'm trying to get car rrot t to fill his shoes until the end of september. >> you have to do it from vegas. talk about sarah palin and kate gosselin and other news makers next with jorge. don't go away.

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check it out. conan o'brien is a guest from his set. let's switch to a few hot comedy topics. kate gosselin, she's competing on "dancing with the stars," what are your thoughts about kate? >> larry, i have to tell you, i have never enjoyed anything more than kate gosselin dancing on dancing with the stars. i went in person a week ago. it is a train wreck you cannot turn away from. i don't know why she bothers to train. kettle one is the secret to her rhythm and her dancing feet. you think someone with such a talented cervix and hip area could be able to gyrate and keep a rhythm. >> larry: you're giving her the thumbs down. >> no, thumbs up. i was on twitter. i follow you on twitter, by the way. i was on twitter. i want everybody to vote and

keep kate gosselin on "dancing with the stars." my wife, my daughter, the dogs in the bed. it was like a norman rockwell painting. only kate gosselin has been able to make that happen in the house. i'm not ready to make that end. >> larry: what about sarah palin, reports are she's made $12 million in the last year. >> those are alaskan dollars. there's sarah palin. with her at fox news, she's not the craziest person at fox news anymore. there's something to be said about that. >> larry: that's a good way to look at it. >> she makes glenn beck. >> larry: she what? >> she makes glenn beck look significantly abnormal. >> larry: george has had a lot to say -- >> i will say this, larry. let me say this.

>> larry: hold on, yes, what do you want to say? >> let me say this. everyone is trying to build a wall, they don't know what the answer to immigration is. i'll give you the answer, larry king, to immigration. if sarah palin wins and rupps for president in 2012, i have a reliable source as the head of all of the latinos, we will voluntarily go back to mexico if she becomes president of the united states. there it is. it, from george himself, who by the way has had a lot to say about tiger woods on his show. here's a sample. >> phil thanked his wife and then immediately said, screw you, man. >> all hugged up with nibs. rub it in. >> larry: by the way, george, tmz reported you had a pleasant meeting with tiger woods last week in the locker room at

augusta national. is that true or false? >> i was a guest of former champion and friend of mine, mike weir. he and i are sitting there, in watches hank mainy, tiger woods's swing coach and dwootig woods. so i thought i was going to take a swing or a nine iron to the side of the face. neither of that happened, tahan god, larry. >> larry: what did tiger say to you? >> you know what, he said hello, he was very gracious. very few people know that tiger woods played, since he was released from sex rehab, he played with an ankle monitor much like criminals do for crimes. his was a little bit different. he had an ankle monitor that could detect maple syrup to keep him on the course and out of pancake houses and waffle with houses in the area. >> larry: we'll be back with more of george lopez.

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amy, what are you doing?! >> changing a lightbulb. >> no, get down there. you've got to make it one last day without getting injured. >> i know, dim light is responsible for 56% of the accidents in the workplace. did you know in 1992 -- i see it, i see it! in 1992, there was a study that -- ah! >> are you okay? >> yeah, yeah, my leg broke my fall. >> funny. what a show that was, by the way. sandra bullock, george, a terrific lady, going through some very tough times, was executive producer of your show, "george lopez," good friend of yours. have you talked to her? how is she doing? >> well, i want to say that without sandra bullock in my life, i would not have given an opportunity to succeed in this

business. she has been a friend and an inspiration the ten years that i've known her. she is going through a difficult time, as everybody knows, but she's a strong woman and we all love her. and wish the best for her. she's doing all right. i spent a little bit of time with her. she's doing as well as could be expected, larry. i can say this, honestly. she has not been asked to host a late-night show. i can say that. >> larry: okay. i'm glad that's revealed. that's the one! by the way, what is it -- you going to do a smurf movie? >> yes, i've gone blue. i am in the new smurf movie with katie perry and i am grouchy smurf, larry. >> larry: grouchy smurf? george -- >> same size head, blue body. >> larry: by the way, you've done this show, now, this late-night show for five months. are you enjoying it? >> you know, i truly am enjoying

it. i enjoy -- i'm curious, you know, here's the beauty of growing up with the tv as your sibling. i watched "the tonight show" with johnny jcarson. johnny carson threw a party every night, knew everyone in hollywood, loved music, smoked cigarettes, johnny carson was a good listener. that all came across. he was cool. my homage and this show is like what i grew up watching. craig ferguson, probably the most innovative guy, because most of his show is done off the cuff. that's amazing. i have no ill will toward anybody. and like i said, i'm happy that conan's coming and it makes late-night exciting. it's almost like a heavyweight division filled with contenders. everybody can knock everybody out. >> larry: does it mean, then, you don't go out and do stand-up

anymore? >> you know, it's difficult. i was talking to chris rock about this on the show. it's difficult because of youtube and of twitter and everybody having a video camera. it's a little bit, when you're trying to work something out, larry, it's a little difficult to have something pulled that's maybe 40 seconds and take it. michael richards can tell you that he's not in favor of cameras in comedy clubs. i'd like to -- in the old days, when you would just go and whatever was said in that room was meant to stay in that room. >> larry: by the way, you mentioned chris rock. here's a little bit of chris last night on your show. let's watch. >> conan's coming to tbs. >> conan's coming? >> yes. >> where are you going? >> i'm staying. he's going to 11:00 and i'm going to midnight. >> get the hell out of here. so you're going to move for the white man, huh? >> i am. i am. >> i hope he appreciates this. >> i think the white man does appreciate it very much. >> okay.

and you don't got to clean nothing? >> no. and i get to go to work an hour later. that's a latino dream come true. >> that's a great line. that was a lot of terrific stuff. you could tell you really enjoyed him, right? >> you know, i really do. i love music, you know, i've made some great relationships. jennifer lopez is coming back. jennifer lopez hijack mid monologue about a month and a half ago. she's coming back as a guest. luke wilson, kara, the judge from "american idol," is not only a guest on the show, she's going to sing. i'm not sure that's happened anywhere else, but it's happening on "lopez tonight." a lot of stuff happens on "lopez tonight." >> larry: and we might add, larry king is also coming to "lopez tonight." >> larry king is coming to "lopez tonight" and lopez is going to host "larry king live" soon. >> larry: look forward to seeing