malveaux. that all one word. "john king, usa" starts right now. >> thanks. a busy day here in washington in the financial reform debate. if you're following that florida senate race, don't go anywhere. more wacky developments as governor charlie crist suddenly sounds an independent streak. anger in america. we'll look at this anger all across the country. who's angry, why are they angry and how might it affect our midterm election year politics? we'll go wall-to-wall and look at this question. is the government trying to take your guns away? that's what many of those demonstrators think. we'll put their concerns to the fact test. one on one tonight. frank keating was the governor of oklahoma when tragedy struck 15 years ago. we'll ask him about america's discontent then and now. in our forum discussion tonight, florida's wacky politics. governor charlie crist is a republican. for months he's said, no, no, no, i'm running as a republican. suddenly he says he's open to running as an independent.

all that and more in a packed hour ahead. but first, a few observations. growing up in boston, patriot's day meant two things, remember lexington and concord, it was the shot heard around the world. the beginning of the revolutionary war. it is also boston marathon day. because of that, the red sox play an 11:00 a.m. day game. they lost again, but i digress. it is a day to celebrate, not be angry. but anger in america is a big theme this patriot's day. and an important one. the 15th anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing, a heinous act of domestic terrorism. rallies from coast to coast are a reminder of the deep disaskz in our country and politics. a new survey finds just 22% of americans say they trust in government in washington most of the time. just 4 in 10 americans give their president high marks. fewer than 2 in 10 think congress does a good job. yes, anger is easy to find. yes, when the democrats are in charge, the rules of politics

say they will suffer more in such a foul climate. but beyond that, beware of any sweeping generalities. anger is easy to find, but different people might be mad at different things. we'll explore that tonight mindful that we have more questions than answers at the moment. we'll look back on the shock of 15 years ago to see if there are any lessons to be learned today. let's begin tonight with a closer look at the frustration and where that frustration grows to anger and disaffection. we'll look at political debates from taxes and spending to the current debate over financial reform. first, an up-close personal look. i went across the river to virginia to what organizers called a restore the constitution rally. it was held in national parkland along the potomac in virginia so that those attending could bring their firearms. it was an honest crowd and many were quick to label those as the fringe element. whatever you call them, their

disaffection was very real. >> a pump shotgun. the primary i guess you call it home defense weapon. because with a shotgun, you can neutralize a threat, although i hope i never have to do that. what people miss is that obama has outpushed bush in, you know, kind of the disdain for the constitution. i think he's carried on the negative policies of bush. we are still overseas, and the president said that he was going to bring our troops home. and that has not happened. >> hillary clinton announced at the beginning of the year that she was going to work with the u.n. on the small arms treaty. so assuming that passes, they're going to find some way to -- to logistically get around the constitution to take away the right to bear arms. >> have you always felt that way in terms of frustration with government? >> well, no, it's definitely escalated in the last about 20 years. it's incremental, but they're turning up the heat as they go.

they used to nibble around the constitution. now they're stabbing at the heart of it. >> right now, a lot of what motivates me to be here is the recent constitutional violations, the health insurance mandates. there is no justification in the constitution, nowhere in the constitution does it give power to the federal government to bail out companies that are deemed too big to fail. a right unexercised is a right lost. rights, like muscles, atrophy if not used. >> so fringe or part of the bigger picture of disconnect and distrust? with me tonight cornell voucher, gloria borger and in atlanta, erick erickson of the popular conservative blog redstate.com. most of those in attendance leaned right. they would say they were part of the right or center of the community. but their disdain for george bush and the bank bailouts,

their criticisms of some republicans now, it was clear that they might be conservatives, but they're not happy with republicans either. when you have discussions on redstate and in your community, how does that affect the moment, the politics of the moment when there's such distrust for if you attach yourself to a political institution people don't trust you? >> you know, it is across the board. a lot of republicans feel very betrayed by george w. bush, mifs included. the end of his administration just went totally off the reservation, deciding he was going to define conservatism as something it wasn't. big government conservatism. there's no such thing. he went for t.a.r.p. he made that weird statement that he was going to tear down the free market to support the free market. obama came in after and was worse to a lot of conservative minds. abraham lincoln, the first republican, said the reason the country was great is because every man could make himself.

a lot of people, conservatives, myself included, don't think that's very much the case any more. you have to rely on the government instead of yourself. >> so cornell, this affects your party, the governing party more so, a, because you are the governing party, but, b, because some say that it can be an instrument for good. 10% approve of his job. look at these here. public's view of institutions. banks and financial institutions. do they contribute positively to society? 22%. negative 69. the congress, 24% say it makes a positive contribution. 65% a negative contribution. the federal government 25%, a positive contribution, 65% a negative. similar numbers for large corporations. to show the flip sides because people do see good in their church, 63% positive. 22% negative. cornell, if you are the democratic party, the party that believes government is an instrument of good, how do you govern in an environment where people just flat out don't trust you to get it right?

>> a couple things. one is you do sort of have to have the conversation about how good the comes from. bill clinton said the era of big government is over. some of the things that you see manifesting itself, it's from bush on. barack obama didn't start this trend line of people being upset with government and not trusting the government. he's inherited this trend line. how he turns that around will be a big challenge for us going into the midterm election cycles. it will be about hope over anger. because nothing good has ever come out of our political system that's been angry. >> can he turn it around? is one lesson we have to learn is that it was a negative reflection on george bush rather than an embrace? >> i don't think we know yet. barack obama's problem is that he promised things would be different. he promised change. he promised government would be smarter. maybe larger but also smarter.

and people are looking at things and saying, you know what? it's pretty much just the same as it's always been. they didn't like health care reform. democrats have gone out in the country trying to sell health care reform. you saw in this poll that the attitude towards health care reform has not gotten any better. people are skeptical of big government because they haven't seen it do good things for them. now, this is cyclical. for example, after 9/11, when people saw the first responders go in to those buildings, government, the trust in government and the faith in government went up because people said, oh, that's what government does for me. and that's what they do well. >> i would push back a little bit by saying this, look, he has in fact, done everything that he said he was going to do and change is not easy. when you for the first time ever go and buck a political trend and say i'm going to take on the big fights like health care reform, which every president going back to what, truman said he was going to take on, that

this president had the courage to take on that fight, that is, in fact, change. when he's pushing for these big things that he said he would do in the campaign and they were not politically popular -- >> everybody hold on. i'll get a quick break and come back to everybody. don't go anywhere. we'll look at what's fueling the gun owners out there, their anger. is the president trying to take away their guns? [ male announcer ] what is performance?

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we believe you're never done growing. thanks, mom. i just want to get my car back. [ female announcer ] together we can discover the best of what's next at aarp.org. back to our panel in just a moment, but first we go wall-to-wall to put to a test some of the complaints from those we saw demonstrate today. this is a restore the constitution rally. this is just out in virginia. i went over there today to listen. you see people carrying their firearms in the national park. one of their complaints was that they believe this president wants to infringe on their second amendment rights. many said that nothing president obama has done as yet would take away or limit their gun rights, but they do remember something he said as a candidate that leaves them worried. >> it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to

guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. >> so are gun rights being limited or are they expanding in an obama administration? let's go to the magic wall and put to the test some of the claims demonstrated at the rally. the red state has the most restrictive gun laws. that's california. then the greener the state, the least restricted the gun laws. the darker green have the least restrictive. state-made firearms and ammunition are except from federal regulations. that's being challenged in the federal courts. arizona, it allows concealed weapons without a permit. the third state to legalize that. here in the state of indiana, allows employees to bring firearms into the workplace parking lots. you must keep them in your car. you can't take them inside.

the state of virginia, allows concealed weapons in restaurants and clubs. the person carrying cannot drink any alcohol. what about nationally? especially in this administration? in 1968 a major gun control act. in 1994, those of you who remember the clinton administration, this was a big fight. the federal assault weapons ban. in 2004 george bush allowed that ban to expire. what about president obama? what is his position on this issue? we'll get her to play along. in 1996, he did endorse a possible illinois handgun ban. during the primary debates he said that he would defer to state and local governments to determine their gun laws. as president he's on record saying he still supports that federal assault weapons ban. he's not lobbied the congress to pass it. as president he signed a law reluctantly, he didn't like this particular provision, but he did sign a law allowing guns in national parks. despite that, no gun rights restrained and some expanded.

many of those protesting say they have legitimate worries the second amendment is under siege. >> is god pro second amendment? i think he is. >> we must declare war against oppression and against socialism, and you are the people to do that. >> it isn't left versus right, black versus white, conservative versus liberal. it isn't any of that. it is us versus them. >> do we want a communist running america and disarming us? no! do we want tiananmen square and more wacos and more kent state university events in our country? no. what do we want? we want freedom, freedom. >> again, if you look at this map and what has happened to the administration, it doesn't match up with some of the fears raised at the rally. ow panel will be back in just a minute to continue the conversation. as we go to break, a reminder of

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let's continue the conversation. democratic strategist corn el belcher is with us, gloria borger and in atlanta erick erickson of the blog redstate.com. erik, i want to bring you into the conversation. as i do, i want to ask in this context, where is this anger coming from? and where is the frustration and discontent take us? and one of my questions is, in a sense, are these people more frustrated because they don't have outlets? we don't have a perot movement in a national election? we watched the british debate, the third party, nick clegg, they're usually the third ranging party, he did very well in that debate. we're showing pictures of it on tv. you have the labor prime minister, you have the conservative challenger. you have a third party where people have a place to go. but come november in the

overwhelming majority of elections there will be a d and an r and nobody else. >> that's why i've been so aggressive on redstate trying to encourage tea party activists to try to funnel their energy to engage in the primaries for the parties. because we are a two-party nation. the campaign finance rules stack up to benefit them. the qualifying rules, the valid access rules, the money, they all benefit a two-party system. that frustrates people. but at some point they have to accommodate the rules. the real anger comes from a point gloria raised earlier. after 9/11 polling about government, the first responders, it was very, very good. there were a lot of people in the country, mostly conservative but not all conservative who realize they can't read the constitution any more and realize how the government is structured. they can't figure it out without hiring a lawyer and going to court. they feel like it is removed from them. they live in washington. congress largely exempts itself from the rules that everyone

else must follow, whether they're republican or democrat. people are very, very frustrated about it. they feel like they should be able to understand how the constitution works. they shouldn't have to have some guy on tv telling them that they're not as smart as the guy on tv or a congress thumbing their nose at them. they feel detached. when they see what government is doing right now, they look at the constitution and they say, i get where defending the country comes from. where does taking over health care come from? >> so how does this play out in a climate in which just about everybody has some anger, some discontent, some disconnection, but it's for a whole lot of different reasons. cornell. you see this, you some liberals are made. they think with a democratic president they should have got more done to their liking. conservatives are upset. everybody is mad but not always for the same thing. how do you tap that? >> let's get into the numbers as well. i'm going to go to the opposite direction here. because i think to a certain extent we're mainstreaming fringe. when you get inside the numbers t vast majority of americans

don't say they're angry. you have a majority of them saying they're frustrated. frankly, i'm frustrated with government. >> they don't trust government. >> but they haven't trusted government since the '50s. it's going downhill. when you see this anger and you -- the tea party we had like 3500 people show up on the mall angry and we treat it like it was a million people. this is a disillusion fringe element of the republican party. they are angry. they're not angry about policy, they're angry about culture. >> one quick point for context. cornell is dead right about the big numbers. if you compare the inauguration or immigration marches, but there are still people who have legitimate concerns whether you agree or disagree with them. the modest numbers are a sign of something else out there? >> i think that democrats do not pay attention to this at their own peril. i think this poll that we saw was a little bit of a wake-up call to democrats particularly as you're heading into the 2010

elections. the people who are energized right now are the people who are frustrated and the people who are angry. it's always that way, as you know. so heading into the election, we were chatting about barack obama. barack obama wants to be a transformational president. when you do big things, as he's trying to do, it takes a long time. we're used to seeing results in the next ten minutes. and people are afraid of what's coming next. and so it's going to hurt democrats. >> we'll see as this plays out. >> sorry. >> because of this -- this is a point we'll be talking about all the way through the elections. you can count on that and probably after the elections, too. when they decide how much to change the city here and our states. gloria borger, cornell belcher, erick erickson. thank you all. we're determined to bring you into the conversation as well. each week we ask you to make your case on an important topic. this week's question. follow up our conversation right

here. are you angry or fraus rated with your government? and if so, why? record your opinion and post it at cnn.com/johnkingusa. the winner gets a jk usat-shirt. 15 years ago today a truck bomb shattered the oklahoma building. frank keating was oklahoma's governor. next we go one on one to compare the anger then to now. after using rogaine for a while, i went to my stylist and she said hair was growing back... i was like, yes, this works... [ male announcer ] only rogaine is proven to regrow hair in 85% of guys. puhh puhh puhh putt and that's it. [ male announcer ] stop losing. start gaining.

♪ ♪ this heart still believes >> 15 years ago tonight all eyes were on oklahoma city and the horror of domestic terrorism. a truck bomb had destroyed the murrah federal building. an army veteran, timothy mcveigh, was eventually caught, convicted and executed. he said it was an act of revenge against the u.s. government.

frank keating was oklahoma's governor. he's here now. governor, good to see you again. first, just a simple question. you were in charge of the state on that horrible day. you came to learn about a rawness in the culture, at least in this individual. how do you compare, when you hear people talking now about an angry america, frustration in america, the threat of domestic terrorism in america. what's your sense of the then and now? >> well, i don't really see a very direct or accurate comparison, john. i mean, back when i was in fbi in the early '70s, it was the sds, the weather underground, the black panther party, hate spewing and some real violence in the street. obviously, the tax protester movement, branch davidian compound. that's the reason in 1993, the atf and fbi action there that mcveigh, who killed all these wonderful neighbors of mine, wanted revenge. i mean, the reality is we have

had, unfortunately, a lot of violent acts by extreme individuals and groups, but i think to have a group of individuals largely reasonably well educated, upscale economically who have had enough of taxes and are protesting, that's quintessentially america. i mean, that's something from the boston tea party forward. as long as you say, i'm angry, but i'm not violent, that's okay. if you're angry and violent, then you're a problem. law enforcement is interested in you. and that is not american. >> you're bringing up your experience not only as governor but in the justice department and the fbi. i want you to tap that experience and listen to janet napolitano. she did an interview with cnn earlier in the day. get her take on how she says the government is much better at figuring these things out now. let's listen. >> we're seeing some of the same kinds of activity that we did see prior to oklahoma city, but at the same time, as i said

before, i think as a nation, we are better prepared and leaning forward. and i think recognize more gravely the different or more acutely the difference between really angry rhetoric and really plotting something like what happened here in oklahoma city. >> now, frank keating is a conservative republican from oklahoma. but does this democratic administration have the right balance in your view on how they do this or are they off on anything? >> well, janet napolitano was here today celebrating life with us and remembering those who were killed. she's a highly gifted very experienced person, as i am, she's a former united states attorney. she understands that isolated, dangerous individuals, tim mcveigh, hinckley, oswald, even back in the civil war, there was a glorified actor john wilkes booth, a very angry young man who decided to take law into his own hands. you have that. and what's important is for

schools to teach civic responsibility, sharing debate but not crossing the line and to have good and attentive citizens tell law enforcement, you know, my friend has crossed the line, i think he's going to hurt somebody. that's what good citizenship does. i think janet is right. and i think we have to be careful. there are people out there because of the internet and other propaganda pieces saying you need to hate, you need to cross the line and hurt or kill somebody. but think of this guy, mcveigh. he hated the atf. he didn't touch an atf agent. he hated the fbi. the fbi wasn't even in this building. he killed 19 babies. he killed people standing in line to get their social security checks. he killed people that had nothing to do with his beef. now, is that a smart thing to do? no, it was an evil, wicked, outrageous act. we need to make sure students, young people and even older people in america know that that is unacceptable. >> governor, another question on a completely different topic. back in 2003 you were head of the catholic church sex abuse

oversight panel. you stepped down. there are a lot of questions about how this pope, how the church has handled more recent -- a recent uptick, recent new revelations about all this. what's your sense? >> well, the good news is the catholic community is a fourth of mankind. 160 countries. the bad news is when an allegation or an accusation about american misconduct occurred and occurs, i think the attitude of the has been those are those oversexed americans. they need to solve their problems. the catholic bishops when they asked me to claire that panel set zero tolerance, criminal referral and transparency, that's what we did as a board. as a result the incidents of abuse are very low now in the united states. i think we've done the right thing. but these individuals who had touched children are criminals. they ought to go to jail. they ought to be stripped of their ministry, their priesthood. that became the attitude of my

board. i really feel for the pope because he is the spiritual leader of the church, but that means he's got to make sure the kids are safe. and he's got a real trial under way because this is not helping the church, but it's important, obviously, that we on behalf of the catholic and the faith community everywhere that we win this battle and not have these kind of people in ministry. >> governor keating, we appreciate your thoughts. thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> take care, governor. when we come back, the most important person you don't know is trying to get to the root causes of the financial disaster. is like something out of a spaceship. which is why, mechanics nowadays are more like rocket scientists. they have to be. the technicians at ford and lincoln mercury dealerships are highly trained. they really do know their stuff. and, they have all the parts to make sure the job gets done right. get the works - an oil change, tire rotation and more just $29.95 or less after $10 mail-in rebate. does this thing do email? you betcha. see, smart and friendly.

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yellin and dana bash. flowing out of this is the big debate over will they try to take steps out of prevent this from happening again. aig bonuses, then the big bank bailouts. outrage today from a republican who is supposed to be in the middle of trying to get a bipartisan deal and was early on. this is bob corker of tennessee. >> what's happening right now is both sides of the aisle are trying to herd up folks with language that really in many ways i don't think does justice to this issue which is very important, very difficult and something that's very, very much needed in our country. >> so they're going to talk and talk and talk and point and point or get something done? >> what was interesting about senator corker today -- and both jessica and i heard that today and went, wow. he didn't say by name but it was clear he was talking about, his own republican leader. some of the receihetoric he's b

using to hit them on this bill. ludicrous. he said the rhetoric was out of control. a pretty rare thing for a republican to dikick dirt in th face of a fellow republican. to be fair, he was talking about both sides. here is a guy who has been working to try to get some kind of bipartisan solution on this huge issue. he's frustrated that both sides are taking what are very real issues and twisting them for rhetorical and political gain. >> he has said, bob corker, this is not health care reform this is different because he said that republicans are close to being able to support what the democrats have done. they won't support this bill but he feels there's room for negotiation. that's why there's some optimism on both sides that they'll get a bill done. but right now there is such a divide in the republican caucus. it's possible but the democrats are pushing this to a vote. >> on this one, you say the divide in the republican caucus.

on past issues, particularly health care, the leaders have been able to hold them. is there evidence -- and i take corker's statement as evidence that that grip is loosening. >> we've talked about this before. that especially mitch mcconnell, one of the hallmarx of this congress is that he's had major discipline from his republican -- >> he's got the troops in line. >> yeah, he really has. but this issue, he's getting pushed back rhetorically, the fact that another republican went on the senate floor and said he's not too happy. in terms of votes, that's a different thing. i talked to senator corker in the hallway. he said right now he's with the republicans broadly in saying we won't allow this bill to go to the floor unless we have bipartisan negotiations. he just sent a note saying there are actually talks. believe it or not. hold your breath, don't hold your breath, i don't know. on a huge issue that perhaps bipartisan talks are resuming between key players, republicans and democrats. >> let's hold our breath.

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we have our reporters here. let me talk about a few things on my radar and we'll get their views. two senators were threatening to subpoena the obama administration accusing it of stonewalling congress about the ft. hood massacre. today it happened. joe lieberman and susan collins subpoenaed the justice and the defense departments ordering officials there to tell congress what the government knew before the november attack. especially about the radicalization about major nidal hasan who is charged now with 13 counts of murder. this was a running theme in the -- late in the bush administration when democrats once they took back congress said the administration would never cooperate with their investigations. rare to have a democratic congress now challenging a democratic white house. >> can you imagine if that's where we were right now. if we were talking about a democratic-led committee subpoenaing a republican president named george bush? >> i was surprised last week when they first threatened this and it didn't get more attention.

because the secrecy, executive power was a running complaint of the democratic congress in the bush days. >> and i predict they call executive privilege and don't cooperate. because that's what the white house does. isn't that what the white house does? >> you know, he was a senator. he liked the legislative prerogatives. when they get to the white house, te tend to have a different take on executive power, lo and behold. one of the year's most bizarre senate races the unfolding in florida. mitt romney's down there today to endorse marco rubio who polls show is likely -- the primary is a way off. but polls show rubio likely to beat crist. charlie crist is the sitting republican governor. once a darling of the republican party. today he talked about the advice he's getting to run as an independent instead. >> i can tell you, i'm getting a lot of advice in that direction. so i'm a listener. so i'm certainly listening to it. >> listening this week. he was no, no, no, no, no way last week. that kind of talk doesn't sit well with the republican

establishment here in washington. >> he would lose all republican support if he were to run as an independent. >> i hope that charlie crist will remain a republican. >> let's get to why we're even talking about this. we're talking about this because this is, as you said, a darling of the republican party. was considered a shoo-in. john mccain had endorsed charlie crist. >> a year ago. >> exactly. today the executive director of the republican senatorial campaign sent an e-mail that we obtained saying he has zero chance of winning the republican primary and they're trying to kick him out as fast as they possibly can. >> subtle. >> remarkable. >> but he was a popular governor. he has proven that he can win moderate and independent votes. if he goes as an independent and he can raise the money, what a fascinating race -- that's just an all bets off. >> you think he could do it? you think he could prevail?

>> i don't know because a guy named joe lieberman, when he lost the democratic primary, he did it. >> wasn't the difference that the democrats tass itly approved and they said, we give you our permission to vote for him. it would be different in this case because republicans are not giving other republicans -- >> but florida is such a fascinating state. there are conservative pockets of florida, there are moderate parts of florida. the farther south you go, the more north you get in terms of the population of florida. if you have a weaker democratic opponent or a democratic opponent that maybe charlie crist might be able to get democratic votes if he rebels? i don't know. >> an example of what we're seeing across the country politically -- and you've talked about this -- whether you're a democrat or republican incumbent caught in the middle. the idea of being a moderate like you said, you covered him in florida. >> everyone in the state seems to know him. he has been in public office for so long. he gets along with both sides of the aisle. he's a classic centrist.

>> but with the politics we're in right now, it is difficult to succeed as a moderate and somebody who wants to reach across the aisle which is public say is exactly what they want. >> this is an excuse for men everywhere not to take their wives and girlfriends on european vacations. the icelandic volcano spewed out more ash today. it is actually not a funny store pe it is costing the airline industry $200 million a day. no wonder the european airlines are screaming for permission to fly again. they insist it is safe. millions of travelers are stranded including some 40,000 americans. >> such a nightmare. the thought of being stuck at an airport with your family for days and days, i mean, they have to fix this. and there's nothing we can do. >> nothing we can do. but the interesting thing is to hear some of the remarks from people who are stranded. and they seem to actually -- many of them, obviously some are frustrated. they have an understandable -- they're sort of fatalistic about it. well, better that i'm here than up there where -- >> it's not very safe.

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>> not a sports show, but like the sports show, we break down the tape. we go into the politics and try to see analysis from our folks here. we're going to start today here. we're going to start with john mccain on immigration. here's john mccain when he wrote, he was. a recognition, john mccain that immigrants have contributed to economic growth. here's the senator speaking about this issue at the cnn youtube debate in november 2007. >> we need to sit down as americans and recognize these are god's children as well and they need some protections under the law. and they need -- they need some of our love and compassion. >> so that was then. here's now. the mccain-kyl immigration bill

talked about today with his colleague, 3,000 national guard troops to the border. 3,000 new border patrol agents. jail time for second offenders caught crossing the border. 700 miles of fencing along the border. today, his tone is much tougher. >> it's spiralled out of control. the degree of violence has increased. those crossing the boarer illegally are increasingly armed and the violence across our southern border and in arizona has increased. >> now, he has every right to say the situation has changed, and the situation along the border has changed. but his tone is so striking. these were god's children in the other forum. >> john mccain 2010. there's no other way to say it.

i said how does this fit into any broader immigration bill? he said we have to secure the border first. going into his run in 2008, it wasn't different. he veered right during the primary and would come back in the general. but i don't see him coming back. but if that's the move among republicans who were with him, can you get them to say immigration reform this year? >> not this year. when i've been in arizona cently, you talk to the folks who are former john mccain supporters, immigration is one of their biggest complaints. it's not going to fly this year. when the president walks into the room, the president of the united states walk into the white house briefing room and, people staff. the staff stands, the reporters stand. some of them more quickly than others. not all of them, actually. they're a little surprised.

okay, now, let's walk the vice president walk into the briefing room today. he was making a statement. staff gets up. >> he gets no respect. he came in to make a pretty important announcement. two al qaeda in iraq leards wde were killed. it was kind of different. you've been in that room. >> it is different. i was trying to think of when the vice president pressed up. >> i would like to say it's the element of surprise. >> we will research this, i promise. thanks for coming in tonight. when we come back, we'll check in with pete on the street. you might say he's a case study in anger management.

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enthusiast, yes? >> no, not really. >> you just went to the gun store? >> no. >> how do you explain these? >> do you own a gun? >> yes. >> do you have it on you now? >> no. >> can i frisk you? what about your dog. he's startled. >> you say people should haven't guns? >> not around the street, no. >> how long does it take you to do your hair? >> five minutes. >> five minutes? you don't look like an angry guy. he's clean. what's this? that's a kneecap. >> i've got tools. >> he says that's a hammer. >> when you're angry, what do you do? any reading? prayer? meditation? >> i read, watch a movie, i'll take a drink. >> do you have a couple of drinks? >> yeah. >> a dlittle something called woosa.

a you meditate and say to yourself -- count to ten. breathe in, slowly let it out. >> did you just do some lunges? just lunge with me. you look like a yoga guy. >> i do, don't sni. >> some hot yoga. >> hot yoga. >> you want to talk about relaxing? what i do to relax? >> well, we found out what people do to relax. people aren't as angry as we might be perceiving them, john king. >> watching that, if this news thing doesn't work out, you can work with the tsa with that little frisk thing you have going. >> not everybody accepted, but a lady just walked right through the live shot. i didn't get angry. i added her on facebook. >> let me ask you this as a test of your reporting skills. does spring weather make people