>> some republicans are saying i told you so as the obama administration releases a new report that shows health care costs will go up, not down as the president promised. but our lead tonight a developing story out in arizona and across the country. arizona's governor signs a tough new immigration law that gives police new powers they say it needs. but the president of the united states says this law is misguided. we will break down the specifics of the arizona law, the policy debate and the political debate that stretches from phoenix all the way to right here in washington. in wall to wall tonight, you've seen some of the pictures, we'll give you the latest on this dramatic oil spill in the gulf. some of this environmental damage is making its way to the shore, tonight the coast guard has called off the search for the missing, what coast might get hit and what will the environmental impact be. we have asked you all week what makes you mad at your government, what makes you frustrated? we'll give you solutions.

and sarah palin gives us a flash back, what during the campaign made her turn to john mccain's senior advisors and say, chill? arizona's governor signed a tough new law tonight designed to crack down on illegal immigration. and as she was making her announced, there was word of a shoot-out just south of the border in which seven people, six of them police officers were killed, a reminder if we needed one that illegal immigration and the separate but related challenge of across the border drug violence stoked policy choices. we have a great panel with us to debate the pros and cons of both the arizona law and the coming national conversation. to hear arizona governor jan brewer tonight, she had no choice. >> we in arizona have been more than patient waiting for washington to act.

but decades of federal inaction and misguideded policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation. >> the new law has some tough provisions that requires police to determine if a person's status, if there's reasonable suspicion they could be here illegally. it allows people to be arrested who are unable to produce they are in the united states legally. and it allows citizens to sue off the law isn't help forced. latino groups and demonstrators rally even as they call the bill unconstitutional. and the president of the united states appeared to take their side. >> our failure to act responsibly at the federal level will only open the door to irresponsibility by others. and that includes for example the recent efforts in arizona which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that

we cherish as americans, as well as the police that are charged with keeping our communities safe. if we continue to fail to act at a federal level, we will continue to see misguided efforts opening up around the country. >> a better solution mr. obama says is a sweeping new federal law that covers border protection. that's a tough sell any time. just ask george w. bush or john mccain for that matter, an especially tough sell in an already heated election year, let's break down the new policy terrain and the crackling new political environment with four people who know it well. robert orkwis has warned republicans not to alienate the growing latino population. frank sherry is founder and executive director of america's voice and immigration advocacy

group that shares the president's views. and maria cordona who has served as federal communications director. let me start with a show of hands, does anyone here think this arizona law is a good idea? that's four nos, half, if i could. >> why? >> if i could, first of all we haven't really seen the details thon. there's been a quantity tum leap here about racial fro filing. we don't know if that's the case. we need to see that the actual federal law will be enforced. there's an incident that's followed by reasonable suspicion then additional steps can be taken to see if the person is in our country and that will enforce our laws. >> maria you shaking your head. let's listen to the governor t governor made it very clear, she was quite forceful in her language saying she examined all

sides. let's listen to governor brewer who says this is not racial profiling. >> let me be clear, though, my signature today represents my steadfast support for enforcing the law, both against illegal immigration and against racial profiling. this legislation mirrors federal laws regarding immigration enforcement. despite erroneous and misleading statements suggesting otherwise, the new state misdemeanor crime of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document is adopted verbatim from the same offense found in federal statute. >> here's the law, it's only 17 pages, it's pretty easy to read. where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is illegally in the united states, but only after legal contact

from law enforcement. you're both shaking your head? >> when people say it's not about the money and it is about money, the governor's saying it's not about racial profiling. there's no way to tell if somebody is an illegal immigrant. if john king and juan ray are both in a traffic stop, who do you think the police are going to reasonably suspect of being here illegally? this institutionalizes racial profiling. most cops, they're caught between a rock and a hard place. but there's going to be 10% of those rogue cops who are going to use this aggressively and it's going to create an atmosphere unwelcome to latinos. >> racial profiling which is illegal right now and still exists, law enforcement officers engage in rainfall profiling, that is a fact. this law gives them basically permission to engage in rainfall profiling and they have that exact line that you just read as a defense. what does it mean to have a

suspicion that somebody is in the country illegally? that they're speaking spanish, that they're eating tacos or they're listening to spanish speaking television or radio? i could go down to arizona and not have my license and have myself be arrested. >> is it the legal challenges or is it the -- >> you worry about the tone and how people present these things in particularly some of the politicians that have been out talking. but also, this bill doesn't just go after people who don't have papers, this goes after every employer in the state, this is a bill aimed at small businessmen, and it requires all sorts of paper work and threaten them with all sorts of government actions if they hire someone and they haven't demanded papers. i'm a little bit concerned about this idea that we're going to sound like this world war ii movie when people are always demanding to see your papers when you get on and off the train or in or out of a car.

i don't quite now how someone deserves to be suspected or how you're going to demand to see someone's papers. are we going carry papers with us? how is this going to work? >> in many ways we need to carry papers with us. we do need to carry a driver's license. >> we do, the example of the stop, which is the worry about a traffic stop. you need to have a registration, you need to have a driver's license. just because someone is stopped doesn't give anyone license to have racial profiling, it gives stop to the next level, which is is there reasonable suspicion this person is disoriented, does not have a domicile, does not have an address or a driver's license, then you take it to the next step. it is illegal to be in the united states under certain circumstances and this is what this is addressing. so i think the governor is right, washington has failed to act. the president has failed to act, he has not made it his priority and that has led to arizona taking it into its own hands. >> let me call a quick time-out, we have a lot of the

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get back to the conversation with our panel in just a minute. but i want to show you using the magic wall some of the issues at stake here. here's the arizona border with mexico. the green is the tougher fence t red is a more spartan, you might say pedestrian fence. i was down not long ago on a border tour. you fly just along the arizona-mexico boardser and as you start to look down, you see it t border area is right up over here and there are towns on both sides and as you see from parts of this area, it's quite open, but when you get down to the contested parts of the border, this is the heaviest, the corrugateded steel fence, that's pretty tough. that's hard to get across. that's one example. but if you come over to much of the border to where you see the red, let's play this through, it's pretty simple, it's a pedestrian fence, it's metal posts mostly, but you as walk along the miles and miles of this, you'll find many places

along the border where there are breaks, and you'll see here it starts to bend. very easy for eight or ten people to walk on through and in some cases big enough to drive a vehicle through. that's where local police and border patrol says they have the biggest problems. more than 575,000 pounds of marijuana seized in last the six months. 15% of those incarcerated in arizona for felonies are illegal immigrants and nearly half of border apprehensions were in arizona. i asked the sheriff right here, now that your police officers would have this new authority under the law, do you see a wave of racial profile happening? larry dever is the sheriff of the koe cheese county. >> no society would permit that and i certainly wouldn't as a

sheriff to allow my deputies to fall under that kind of an operational, disgusting tactic. >> here's what i'm trying to cut through, i understand your suspicion, here's what i'm trying to cut through, this debate gets so emotional and so heated, and i want to get back to how we got here burks when you talk to a law enforcement guy who had a rancher killed in his county recently who says when they go out to the grocery store, they come home and their homes have been ransacked. when they go out on their farm or ranch, they have drug smul r druglers coming across the. >> there's police chiefs in arizona and around the country who say it's going to undermine the trust between imgrants and the police, subject them to routes, cost taxpayers millions, the police chiefs in arizona were against this law, some of the sheriff's were for it. >> so you lose more than you gain, that's what the police are saying? >> they have laws against

breaking into people's houses or doing bodily harm. it's illegal for people to work and put mandates on small businesses to make it difficult to hire people. so it's a great deal of things about keeping people from working, there's something about standarding on the side of the road to be hired orpik up somebodying to hire it. these are laws against people working in arizona. it's a real test case to what it's going to do to the arizona economy and what it will do to the small business community. >> so some of your friends in the conservative movement, senator mccain who we could go through a long history of senator mccain and say this doesn't match up at least in tone that he has said over the many years, that he says now is necessary because of the increase in the drug violence. why are they for. >> it jamie harris doesn't want to talk about how he did earmarks because that's not a

winning strategy. and the governor brewer that she's demandsing a billion dollar ayear sales tax increase, rather than reducing spending and reducing the budget, she's been pushing for a tax increase and opposed the legislature that gave her a bunt that didn't raise taxes. she's delighted to be on tv talking about anything other than her tax increase, jamie hayward is happy to be out there talking about anything but government spending. >> right now the democratic candidate in arizona loses to any of the republicans, that is a statement had it not been john mccain as the republican nominee last time probably would have been another of the red states turning blue was of the hispanics coming over to the reside. what happens in this state now? >> i think that we have to make one thing perfectly clear, the governor is facing a challenge

from the far right. that is a huge reason why she did this. john mccain who supports the wrong headed bill is also facing a challenge from the far right, that is why he's doing this. i think this is a death knell for the republican party in arizona because of the growth in the latino communities, it's going to be the debt neath knel the national republican party, it's a wakeup call for our leaders in congress to actually pass comprehensive immigration reform. >> the 80th vote for the house and the democratic president have done nothing for the last year and a half and you're going to blame the republicans? nice try. >> you're opposed to senator mccain. >> but more importantly, i think senator mccain is right for supporting the bill. phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the hepmisphere, there's more kidnapping going on in phoenix than bogota.

the people in arizona are behind the kidnapping, among them legal latinos that are reside in arizona. we'll see in november, all the polling data indicates that the republican candidates that are in favor of this are doing quite well. because the majority of the people are fed up with this. here's what no one's addressed, and you addressed it in our comments and your questions is what are we doing about the violence? what are we doing about the terrible, not only border problem, but state wide problems, i think arizona's going to be the first state of a number of boarder states who are going to see similar legislation. >> when we come back, the president of the united states and frank you were there today said, you know what? things like this happen in arizona because we haven't done our job here in washington. we'll talk about the national debate when we come right back. what are you really buying?

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live pictures here of protests under way in phoenix, arizona of those who oppose the new arizona immigration law outside the state capitol, making their views clear.

the big question here us here in washington tonight, how will this decision in arizona impact the national immigration reform debate and one of the questions is will we have one? the president promised to pass immigration reform in his first year in office. and frank, you were at the white house when the president made another promise to give it a go. >> over the years, many have attempted to confront the challenge but passions are great and disagreements run deep, yet surely we all can agree that when 11 million people are living here illegally outside the system, that's unacceptable. the american people demand and deserve a solution. >> how mad are latinos at him? that made such a difference in the election campaign and i can read you from a radio show that candidate obama did, he was asked first month, first year, you're going to have to prove it. i'll follow up. he didn't follow up. >> there's a lot of anger and

it's growing particularly in to the latino immigrant community who live in families who many are voters, but many don't have papers. this is a family issue, that's why its a threshold issue. and the fact that president obama hasn't followed through on his promise is putting in play a big swathe of new voter who is swung dramatically away from president bush and towards democrats in 2008. he either steps up or he's going to get the lion's share of the blame for not stepping up. >> i think he stepped up before. >> a lot of people are seeing this as a failure. he's called a few republicans. 11 republicans voted for closure, to remove immigration reform. that was back in 2006. at that point george w. bush was calling them, his commerce secretary was on capitol hill, his homeland security secretary was on capitol hill, bush was saying you've got to do this for me. some did it for their republican president. you said it would be horrible

for the republican party to turn away those supporters. yes, they're saying they're going to do this now, if he really meant it, why not in the house of representatives where the democrats have a huge majority pass the bill, put pressure on the senate? you heard nancy pelosi say that she's absolutely fine with putting immigration before climate change and she said that if the senate gives it to her, they will ---and senator reid has made a commitment to make this a priority and by the way, he needs to because of his reluctance. >> but we'll bring it up for a vote. but that's curious, everything else has been originating in the house. the president stood at the state of the union and had a list of house passed bill in the senate, which we all know has the mechanism to give the minorities the ability to block legislation, so now when they have passed climate change, when they have passed health care, when they have passed every

other bill, now -- so let's say he has wandered, can you get him back? >> i couldn't count the number of republicans on one finger besides lindsay graham who has stood on up on this issue this year. there has been a second republican for a year to join lindsay graham and you know how many have showed up? none. >> he had 60 last year. >> what balm and the democrats are doing, they are moving forward and they're going to flush out the republicans, republicans republicans. >> there's an opening and you think the republican tone in arizona could be hurtful. and now you have a democratic president coming forward and saying we're going to do this, what do the republicans do. >> the onus is on president obama, he said he was going to do this a year ago, he didn't. organized labor has been the problem here, it's the open secret, organized labor, the

labor union bosses do not want any sort of comprehensive reform, they don't want anything that makes it easy for small businessmen to function in this country, they won't let the democrat dos it. the democrats have the vote to take a look at immigration reform. the idea that the republicans should jump into the middle of that is nonsense, it's up to balm to mix what he said he would fix, but he's not done it. >> the labor unions did not tell john mccain to run away from this issue. the labor unions didn't tell john leser to filibuster. >> we'll have you all back m, thank you. it's a fascinating conversation, we'll continue to have it. next we turn our attention to another developing story, the coast guard is suspending the search for 11 missing people after that oil rig fire in the gulf. where the oil from that spill

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in "wall to wall" tonight, an update on that oil rig explosion down there in the gulf

of mexico, many of you have seen these pictures in the last few days. we're told the coast guard has suspended it's search for the 11 people missing. obviously the rig has now sunk and one of the questions now is what is the environmental impact and we can show you a look at that as well. if you look closely, you can see the discoloration, that is the oil floating on the water. the question is when and where will it hit? we'll continue to track that let's head over to the magic wall for a closer look on how this works. you see the rig right here in the water, this is what these look like, let's look at the deep water horizon, it drills down to a maximum depth of 30,000 feet. the maximum water depth is 30,000 feet at any one time.

transocean's global reach is all around the world. so this is a company with 146 rigs with deep experience in doing this and their case is it's a highly safe of operation and some sort of bad accident happened here. from an environmental standpoint, here's a bit of what i'll call not good news, but somewhat less discouraging news. if you look at the big circle here, that was the exxon valdez, that was 11 million gallons. it's certainly not good news to have any environmental impact, but nowhere on the scale of the exxon valdez. if you're wondering how one of these rigs works, bring this over here, this is you have a crane obviously so you can get materials down into the water, you have the basic functions on top here, imagine this just going down into the ground from there and up comes from there, throughout the telestrators have placed through, this goes down

into the water, it's a fairly simple idea obviously, incredibly high-technology, but nothing on the scale of the exxon valdez, discouraging news the coast guard calling off the search of the 11 missing people on that rig. when we come back, you get to make your case, it's friday night on "john king usa" we asked you what makes you angry about your government, what are you frustrated about? we'll hear what you think and your solutions when we come back.

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this is the part of the show where we introduce you to the most important person you don't know. on friday, that's always you, as part of our commitment to bring you into the conversation, we always read our facebook postings and our tweets. we give you all week to make your case by putting a video on our website. this week's question, are you angry with your government? and if so, why? here's a cross section of your comments. >> why do i not like my government? there's so many reasons i don't even know where to start. taxes number one. the government needs our money for any sort of project, they just throw another tax on there. >> the government has taken over things that they never had control over in the past, and it

seems like us as americans don't have the choice, the freedom of choice to deal with issues that are arising. >> i feel that the democratic party isn't taking advantage of their majority in the house and senate. they're playing softball with the republicans and they should be playing hardball. >> they just want more of my tax dollars to be use for things i don't really want to spend for as well as having my constitution, what i believe to be torn up. >> my frustration is that the republican party seems determined to say nothing but no to everything. >> it's sort of frustrated when you think that these are some of our most intelligent people and they can't make a decision. for example they didn't even read the health plan and they're voting on it what. 's the deal with that? >> a good example of your frustration and how does it affect the politics in our country? with me now three people who track that quite well, they're never frustrated. gloria borger and dana bash,

that's an interesting cross section there, where my mon, they're making -- we're not quite sure how it impact this is election, are we. >> we know it's having an impact in the sense that we have candidates now who are hearing this and they say, well, people are angry at the government, then regardless of whether i'm an elected official or not, i have to run as an anti-establishment outsider that's why you're seeing all these people who have been in government for quite some time now, everybody wants to be scott brown and everybody's getting pick-up trucks and bar codes and going out there. >> they're watching them deal with their anger. you talk about immigration reform. do the democrats for example deal with the fact that the latino community is furious, not just angry, furious at democrats for not dealing with immigration reform and do they do that and

risk angering people who don't want immigration reform. picking and choosing who to listen to is not easy. >> once you arrive in washington, you can't admit that you actually live here. and that you actually work here. and so although we all do. but you have to -- no, as a politician in particular, that's why we see so many of them are going home every weekend, they're tweeting, they're on facebook, because they have to be a part of this and they have to understand. >> one important things that the pugh poll that came out this week, i know that was based loosely on this, that midwestern people are more angry or more disaffected than others. but in 2006, 20% of americans said i'm angry with government. and in 2010, it's 21%. so it's the same number of people, it's just different people, back in 2006, of course

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obama's seat. >> here's another potential problem for the white house, some republican arguments about health care reform debate may have been right after all. the administration's own number crunchers say the health care bill is going to raise health care costs more than expected. i was on the phone with mitch mcconnell, the republican leader earlier today and said, boy, it's hard not to say i told you so. and he makes the case that this supports the republican argument that this thing costs too much and that the administration should have known better and his argument is that it helps even more. >> hard not to say, you could not put your blackberry down without six republicans saying i told you so after this report came out. one of the interesting things that this study said also is that medicare actually will be solvent longer because of what they put in place than it would have been without which is actually the argument that democrats were making. however the question is whether or not democrats will have,

congressmen in general will have the stomach to keep these medicare cuts because the cuts are there and politically, republicans have made the argument, and it is very true, it's very difficult to keep those medicare cuts in place. >> there was a vote to have cut backs in medicare, it comes down the line, four or five years from now, are you going to keep those or are you going to safe your own political skin and say, you know what? not so much. >> republican senator scott brown, he's the republican flavor of the month, he's the most popular guy. he's talking about the 2012 presidential race, not about himself, but about some of the other candidates, he was asked what do you think about sarah palin? >> yeah, i think she's qualified, sure. >> do you support her? >> i'm going to support governor romney and i'm going to see who's out there in the field and then make my decision. >> governor romney, of course a fellow massachusetts guy, the brown senate staff was the

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much of a nail biter here and that could be first sign, everybody's looking to that district as a first sign for what this means going into the midterm elections and democrats hold on to a seat that the congressman had held for a very, very long time. >> amy walters, dana bash, thanks very much. and we'll be back with the play by play, sarah palin's flash back, it's a great one too, to the 2008 campaign. have an old 401k? no matter how the market changes,

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rvelgsz we gather some of the great political minds together and we also grab some great tape and we break it down and analyze it and sometimes we compare it to past performance. maria cardona and republican strategist flashback today. she testified in the trial of a guy accused of hacking into her personal e-mail during the campaign. when she came out of testifying she stopped with reporters and going back over what she talked about. when this happened back in the 2008 campaign, she said the senior mccain staff was in a panic that she had said some

damaging things perhaps in her e-mail. >> that's what was going around in the blogoshpere. people are going to have the e-mails exposed to the public to show the real sarah palin. so the convincing had to take place no, just children. there is nothing in there that is horrible or -- >> just chill. >> just chill. i think it points to the huge tension that was clearly the issue between the mccain campaign and the palin campaign. i'm not going to pile on to sarah palin because between not knowing what newspapers she reads and writing notes on her hand. and john mccain, it was the one that created her. >> you were part of that campaign. >> listen, the fact of the matter is i guess it's a good thing she is not a prolific writer. not a problem with this.

the fact of the matter is during a campaign everything can be taken out of context. it's a legitimate flashback to say that everybody, there really isn't anything. everybody is worry mid allies, the former campaign associates, or even the press today. >> a couple years back, during the bush administration, the vice president and of course the president of the senate and dick cheney would go up to the senate every week to see the republican lunch, and occasionally you have to preside over the close votes. there was a classic encounter with pat leahy, the democratic senator from vermont. they didn't get along very well, and the vice president didn't deny it, dropped the f-bomb in a conversation with leahy. dennis miller was asked about that. he was fan of that comment. >> on the list of things i should thank you for almost kicking patrick leahy's [ bleep ]. thank you very much. i loved that, one of my favorite stories. >> how many people liked that. sort of the best thing i ever did. >> i don't know if i want to

talk about this specific moment with pat lay high, but why is it that vice presidents tend to use the f-bomb sometimes. >> exactly. at least vice president biden is sorry for it. and if that's the best thing that vice president cheney ever did, i think that speaks a lot to what he did in office. >> i think the -- >> his mom should have been so proud of him. >> it was clear that i see using the f-word is an occupational hazard of being vice president of the united states, but i think this shows that the vice president, they try to portray him as darth vader is a regular guy. he can yuck it up and joke about himself and have a lot of fun with regular america. >> i think it does show that the reason why our politics are -- a lot of it, the perception is that it's in the gutter. and the reason why a lot of americans are so upset with washington and have had it. >> you talk than frustration and the tone people have toward washington. we talked earlier in the program about the tone and the immigration debate and does that get problematic. there is a guy running for

nomination for governor in alabama. his name is tim james. he has an ad on television that certainly raises eyebrows. we'll discuss what you think about it. let's listen to this. >> i'm tim james. why do our politicians make us get driver's license exams in 12 languages? this is alabama. we speak english. if you want to live here, learn it. we're only giving that test in english. if i'm governor. maybe it's the businessman in me. but we'll save money. and it makes sense. does it to you? >> interesting approach in the ad. is that a conversation that alabama is a conservative state? >> it might be a conservative state, but i don't believe it's a message of republicans. i believe in the message of reagan, inclusiveness. by the same token, there a lot of people want immigrants and they want everyone to speak

english among themselves. but i think this is a little over the top. >> i think that's the problem with the republican party. i know my friend is in the right place; but a lot of conservative right-wing leaders right now are the ones who are pushing this anti-immigrant notion and legislation and are running on it. and my hope is that americans will understand that we are a nation of immigrants, and that is not the right way to go. it's wrong-headed. >> i appreciate you both coming in, maria, adolfo, thank you very much. next, we check with pete on the street because he is reporting on s-e-x at the s.e.c. ♪ my own restaurant. i want to be a volunteer firefighter. when i grow up, i want to write a novel. i want to go on a road trip. when i grow up, i'm going to go there. i'm going to work with kids. i want to fix up old houses. [ female announcer ] at aarp we believe you're never done growing. i want to fall in love again. [ female announcer ] together we can discover the best of what's next at aarp.org.

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campbell brown is just a few minutes away at the top of the hour. let's head up to new york and check in for a preview. >> hey there, john. tonight we have a very provocative question. is america a christian nation? there are some people, notably sarah palin who would say yes, but with the controversy this week over a judge's ruling that the national day of prayer is unconstitutional, are we really one nation under god? also tonight, the uk is trying out politics american-style. and we have a fascinating report for you from across the pond on that as well. all that at the top of the hour, john. >> looking forward to it. thanks, campbell. you know, we call pete dominick our offbeat reporter. but he is a tough investigative reporter too. so when we heard report there's might be something fishy going on at the s.e.c., pete was the man. >> yeah, john king, apparently

some people at the s.e.c. were looking at pornography while they were supposed to be working. i don't know what this pornography was, and this was a tough assignment for me to do the hard research on. but we went out and talked to people on the street about it. people that were supposed to be watching the financial system getting caught watching porn on their government-issued computers. >> i know that's a leading growth industry in the united states. >> so you don't think women would ever look at pornography at work? >> i wouldn't because i would be scared to be caught. >> 16,000 times by one man. >> one man. >> that's impossible just physically it wouldn't be possible. i'm glad nobody is looking over my shoulder at work. >> have you ever gotten caught looking at pornography? >> no. >> you would never do such a thing? >> no, i would not. i have no desire. >> do men or women get caught looking at porn at work more? >> probably women. >> you're going with probably on that? >> certainly it's men. >> we're wondering if you're

surprised that people get caught looking at pornography on their work computers. >> i would have expected there would have been some controls on that sort of thing. >> at a government agency guys got caught looking at pornography when they're supposed to be doing their job. >> no, they're men. >> is this ever a problem where you were? >> no. >> nobody has ever been caught? >> not that i've seen. >> are you surprised people got caught looking at porn in their office? [ laughter ] >> not really. >> you would never look at porn, would you? >> hell no, my wife would kill me! >> yeah, this is a tough issue, john. this is a tough assignment that you guys gave me today. >> that's why we haven't issue you'd a computer. >>