twitter.com slash wolfblitzercnn. that is all one word. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "john king, usa" starts right now. >> thanks, wolf. p more heated rhetoric in the immigration debate today in arizona and also right here in the nation's capital. also what was to be a big partisan announcement about climate change canceled. guess why? more partisan politics. a big day in washington as the congress tries to protect you from another big financial collapse like 2008. a test vote in the senate, democrats lose. financial reform is the issue. negotiations continue. we'll track both the policy and the policy argument tonight. we go wall-to-wall, you won't want to miss these destructive pictures of the gigantic tornado. it killed 12 people in mississippi and alabama. you'll hear from mississippi's governor that will give you the latest on the recovery effort and show you the dramatic picture. one on one with the independent

senator joe lieberman. he was in the middle of the big climate change debate. it happes collapsed now. he'll talk about the political climate here in washington, d.c. on my radar tonight, fascinating stories including one democratic governor's unusual job pitch. she'd like to come to washington. guess where she'd like to work? and whether the supreme court should step in to keep your children from playing violent video games. you're not getting what you want from washington tonight. most of you, anyway. and i'm guessing that doesn't come as a big surprise. two-thirds of americans say they support tougher rules on big wall street financial firms, but the senate decided tonight that such a debate has to wait a bit. why? well, you make the call. here's what happened. democrats failed a short time ago to get the 60 votes they need to begin debate on sweeping

financial reform. they blame republicans and raise their voices in doing so. >> what's the point of having 100 seats here coming from 50 states when a major issue affecting our country cannot even be the subject of a debate? so mr. president, i urge my colleague, i urge them, let us get to this debate. >> all republicans on hand voted no, not, they say, because they don't want financial reform. their goal is to force more negotiations and compromises by democratic leaders and the white house. >> the democrats want us to trust them on this one. with all respect, americans aren't in a trusting mood. the burden is now on the democrats to prove it when they say their legislation will or will not do something. >> negotiations are still active and key players say they expect the bipartisan deal within days that includes new rules on risky investments blamed for much of the 2008 collapse. what are the hang-ups and what does it mean for you?

the republican perspective in a moment from senator jim demint and we'll hear from richard durbin of illinois. but as he makes his way to the camera, let me start with gloria borger and dana bash. the democrats lose this vote tonight, yet they rush out all these statements sounding as if they think they have a political win in a voting defeat. >> only in washington. a loss is a win. and it's not an accident. that's exactly right. i'm fascinated to hear what senator dur win says and how he explains it when he comes before the cameras. because behind the scenes what democratic sources are being extremely candid about, is not only did they push this vote, which they knew they would lose, but they'll do it later in the week as well. why are they doing it? they want to make republicans look as though they are voting against wall street reforms, but that belies what is going on behind the scenes. as we speak, john, right now on capitol hill, there are bipartisan negotiations going on. >> and so, gloria, it is the

theater of politics versus some highstakes negotiations on policy. the republican complaint is they don't believe the language is strong enough. they still think you can have too big to fail. the taxpayers would still be on the hook, maybe if regulators think they have to shut a big bank down in the future. so why have all the votes when people seem to think if we just keep talking, we'll get there. >> because it's politics -- i know you'll be shocked to learn that goes on in washington. there's an outside game and an inside game. the democrats are lining up to go have a talk-a-thon on the senate floor. behind the scene, you've had republicans and democrats negotiating on this measure for months. in the end, if you asked everybody, dana, you know this better than i do, does everybody expect there's going to be a bill? yes, they say. could be as many as 60 or 70 votes. we'll have to see. >> let's put the question to a man who helps with the vote counting on capitol hill. the number two democrat from the leadership.

dick durbin from illinois. i know it's a busy day. i hope you heard a little bit of what dana and gloria were saying as you hooked up there. the expectation is if you talk to senator dodd and his staff, senator shelby and his staff, when the democrats and the republicans spend a few days in a room, they'll come up with the language. if that's the case and they're optimistic you can get 60, maybe 70 votes for this in three days or a week, why keep having these votes? >> i tell you why, because we face so many filibusters from the republican side. you know, chris dodd made a good faith effort. he sat down with the ranking republican dick shelby of alabama. they spent two months. he then said i'll work with bob corker, another republican on the committee. they spent a month. then dodd said, let's all come together in the room, democrats and republicans and discussion our differences, consider amendments. the republicans brought in 400 amendments that markup didn't offer a single one of them. so we believe that we have to

make things right on wall street so we don't get into another recession like this, believe that it's time to move forward. the filibusters have to end. >> you wanted to have this vote as a statement that it was time to move forward and if you have objections deal with them on amendments on the floor. do you agree that some of this language does need to be changed, that it is vague, that the republicans have a credible case and say there are too many loopholes for them, that they're not dead seven that you couldn't have another bailout and so you need to tweak the language. >> i'm womening to listen to any constructive suggestion. but what i won't do is say that we can do this and weaken votes. we want to make sure that the wall street interests and big banks that got away with murder in this recession and left the taxpayers holding the bag don't have that chance again. >> senator durbin, this is dana bash. what the republicans argue is they agree with you, they have the same goal, but they don't believe in the legislation that the democrats have crafted so far does that and there are

still loopholes that leave taxpayers on the hook and let me get specific with you. goldman sachs has been in the news. do you fundamentally believe and can you promise your constituents that with your bill goldman sachs could not do what they are accused of doing, obviously they've not been convicted of anything, but what your colleagues are saying that they play both sides and they really hurt taxpayers. >> i think that this bill really strengthens the hand of the oversight agencies that would watch goldman sachs of any other company that tried to do what they're accused of doing. that's only an allegation, but a serious one, that they were playing both sides of the street, if you would, selling a product, then basically betting that it would fail. and that to me is the wrong thing to do. it's the kind of thing that makes people so cynical and upset with what's happening on wall street. if you want to make that provision stronger, you bet. i'll join republicans in doing it. if they want to water it down for some bank interest, i'm not for that at all. >> you said in the past, this is a quote, the banks own this

place. so isn't that democrats as well as republicans you were referring to? >> absolutely. i can tell you, i found it in my bankruptcy bill. i lost a number of democrats and virtually all the republicans when i offered it to get tough on banks. >> does it change with this, does it change with financial reform? >> i think so. we're moving to the point where even republicans believe we've got to do something really basic here to restore the public confidence and to make sure that people have some belief that their government's going to stand up and fight for them so we don't end up with another taxpayer bailout. >> one final question on another topic. there have been a lot of questions about whether president obama's seat back in your home state of illinois is at risk in this election campaign. you have shared some of your concerns with the white house. the democratic candidate out there, his family bank was shut down just last week and there's an investigation of that, and, again, just an investigation, but there's a lot of questions that as we speak that republicans would be favored to win that race. do you think the democrats need a new candidate in that race? and have you asked the white house to help you in that

regard? >> i can tell you that the bank that senate candidate, democratic candidate alexis giannoulis closed on friday, this hurt him, this is a bank his father started as an immigrant to this country. but giannoulis has been removed from that bank for years. had nothing to do with it because he's our state treasurer. had nothing to do with the loans that were in this bank's portfolio. he needs to answer the questions. he's done that and he needs to continue to do that. congressman mark kirk, the republican, opposes the wall street reform. alexei giannoulis supports it. there's an issue that people do care about when it comes to bank. >> senator dick durbin, from illinois. we know you're going to florida to be among the democrats who speak tonight. wre appreciate your time. >> here's a quick look at the numbers. still another 19-month high.

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so let's get the republican perspective on this evening's big senate vote against proceeding with the final reform debate and the ongoing negotiation, hopefully, to get a bipartisan bill. senator jim demint joins us from capitol hill and back here in the studio gloria borger and

dana bash. you have called this regulation without reform. is it your take that the democrats just want to regulate, regulate, regulate, or do you support at least some aggressive new steps to, what they would say is necessary, rein in wall street? >> i am afraid this is another massive bill that doesn't keep the promises on the label. all republicans want to fix what caused this financial mess we're in. but unfortunately, the bill that has been presented does not address the key problems that created the subprime market and it expands regulations to community banks, credit unions and thousands of businesses that had nothing to do with the financial meltdown. so we're hoping the vote tonight will at least get the democrats to work with us on fixing the problems and making sure that we just don't have another overreach of government power without really fixing the problem. >> a number of your republican colleagues who are either vulnerable this year or who think that there are some merits to this legislation even though

they want some tweaks have said they're willing to vote with the republicans on these procedural votes. they want to move this process along. take us inside the caucus room. americans do want something done. are there any jitters with all the republicans standing together at the moment to say no? >> well, all of us want a financial reform bill to pass. i mean, we clearly have some problems in our financial market. a lot of those were caused by bad government policy which we're not addressing. we certainly want to clamp down on wall street to make sure we get out of this too big to fail idea. unfortunately, this bill actually has a fund for a special group of companies to either bail them out or liquidate them. these are things that we can fix. i'm on the banking committee. we've worked with democrats for several months to come up with consensus on many of the issues. so there's a lot that we agree on here except the major concepts of fixing the fannie mae, freddie mac, the subprime market, they are not allowing us to address it.

so hopefully if we can shake them up like we did tonight and help them say they're not going to ram this down our throat, that we can get a real bill that the american people can feel good about. >> senator demint, gloria borger here. can i just change a topic on you for a moment. one of the other controversies you were dealing with today was whether the senate does immigration reform or energy reform, climate change. your colleague from south carolina linbehin lindsey graha quite a stir when he said, i want to do climate change first. he's been working on it. and senator majority leader harry reid said, no, i'm going to take up immigration reform. what's your reaction to this as a republican? do you want to do immigration reform right now in the senate? >> i was just talking to lindsey graham about this. and no one can challenge his credentials on wanting to do something about immigration, but he is exactly where i am on immigration, that there's no

policy that will make any sense or make any difference if we can't control our borders. we've got thousands of mexicans being killed on the border because the federal government will not do its job to control our border and secure our country. >> but do you want to do climate change first -- do you want to do climate change either? >> what i want to do is open up our own energy supplies in this country. and part of what lindsey graham is working on is following through with opening our own natural gas supplies, moving to nuclear generation and away from coal. these things would clean up the air quicker than any of these cap and trade ideas. i'm not sure that lindsey and i agree on every point but we can't bring up immigration reform until we control our borders and we need to focus on opening up our own energy supplies. but harry reid is playing politics with immigration to try to show the people back home he wants to do something about it. but i think lindsey graham has taken an important stand. we're not going to go to

immigration when we can't even control our borders. >> senator, dana bash. you say that senator reid, the democrat the leader is playing politics with immigration. i want to read you a quote from the chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele, in a meeting last friday with hispanic republican activists. he said if we want to have a comprehensive policy that's uniform around the nation, then the federal government has got to step up. i look forward to our republican leadership putting on the table good solid efforts to create the kind of reform that takes in mind first and foremost the family that recognizes that this is not a nameless composition. sure sounds like the chairman of the rnc is calling for comprehensive reform when it comes to hispanic republicans. do you agree with him? >> i agree that we need to address the immigration issue, particularly the illegal immigration/. the only way to honor our heritage of immigration is to make sure we have a sensible and legal flow of people into and out of our country. right now, we've created a

disaster on our southern border because we're unwilling to can take the measures that are necessary to control immigration. i don't think there's any legal immigrant in our country who wants an open border that compromises our national security. >> any concern at all, senator, about latino vote ners the midterm election year if all you do is border security this year at the federal level? >> well, we need to do everything we can to make sure that all the immigrants in this country, legal immigrants know that republicans are taking a stand for the things that make a difference in their lives, for their families, for their jobs, for the economy. every immigrant that i've talked to that has come here the legal way wants us to continue to work on border security and a workable worker i.d. system. all of us as republicans want to move ahead with those kind of reforms. >> senator jim demint, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. today haley barbour told me this weekend's gigantic tornado left one car dealership roof

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in wall-to-wall tonight, the devastating tornado that hit mississippi and alabama over the weekend. you see some of the devastation here. the video and the aftermath. it is extraordinarily destructive. we can show you a little bit more just on the force of all this. what happened was 12 fatalities so far, 10 in mississippi, 2 in alabama. dozens of injuries. hundreds out of their home. the rating ef-4. 5 is the maximum strength. 150-mile path. among those assessing the damage is the mississippi governor haley barbour. in high school he played for the yazoo city indians. yazoo city one of the towns hardest hit. the governor was there today. >> it's the biggest tornado i can ever remember, and in terms of across, the mile across. car dealership, roof twisted up like a beer can. several hundred people have lost their houses. there are a bunch of people whose houses are not just

uninhabitable, they're unidentifiable. >> we show you a map here of the tornadoes reported so far in 2010. you see those red dots. those are all tornadoes reported so far this year. now we'll bring up severe weather reports throughout the year. that includes wind and hail. these are severe weather incidents across the united states in 2010 so far. you see them swept up. the red dots the tornadoes, blue is red -- is wind, excuse me, large hail storms are the gold dots. now i want to take you over to the magic wall and take you to the path of this particular tornado that caused so much destruction. we'll walk across, excuse me, we'll fly you in to show you where the damage is. as we come on in, you come right into central mississippi. you see the path of the storm going this way. we want to show you a bit of the video as this played out. play this through. you'll see a windshield wiper going by. but you see the power lines bending. you see debris in the air. it is hard to see in the

graininess. but destructive debris goes flying. take you some of the photos as well. this is up in durrant, tree just uprooted. power of the storm. down here in yazoo city, you see some of the destruction, homes, housing, governor barbour told me hundreds without their homes tonight. another one there, the storm just taking the roof right off. two of the fatalities, and if you watch this, you'll see again some dramatic video. watch the debris flying. grainy footage. this sent in from storm chasers. see as the wind blows up, debris just flying in the air. remarkable destruction for a storm. when i spoke to the governor today, he said he grew up with tornadoes, never saw anything like this at all. the best news is relief efforts are there, they'll continue to track this destructive storm over the next several days. next i go one on one with

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divide, joe lieberman stands out. officially he's an independent. technically he sides with senate democrats but he's been quietly working with both parties on climate change issues. senator joe lieberman is here to go one on one. what happened? lindsey graham, your republican partner on this energy and climate bill he says they had a promise from the senate majority leader harry reid that after financial reform, you would move immediately to this piece of legislation you've been working on. is he telling the truth? >> yeah, that's a simple question on what happened, it's not so simple an answer. >> did reid make that promise to move to climate change after financial reform? >> when we met with harry reid, he said that he would take up the energy climate change bill as soon as we were ready. and he was still saying to people that could be during this work period before memorial day. then there were leaks out of his

staff that said no, it's not coming up, it may not come up at all. but lindsey was really upset about another promise he thought he had, which was an immigration reform on which he is also the only republican out front, would not come up this year. he believe tlas the decision to bring it up is political. >> so then what happened? if you had this clear path on your bill, you had a republican who was out there working the business community, you had the best coalition you ever had on this issue. >> correct. >> the house has already passed legislation, so you would have something to try to compromise with if you got it through, why confuse things? why not move to that and then if leader reid wanted to bring up immigration. they did that for some reason. you called them leaks from his staff. maybe we'll do immigration first. why did that happen? lindsey graham says he believes it's just partisan politics. harry reid is in trouble at home and needs to appeal to his latino base. >> i don't know why it happened. but i don't think it was right. in other words, what john kerry

and i and others -- and i hope the white house will get involved in this -- has to do in the next couple of days was to bring about a meeting of minds between two people. harry reid and lindsey graham so lindsey feels a separation from immigration reform which will enable him to come back and be where he wants to be for this energy npd climate change bill. >> you know how to do the math. do you think there is any chance in this tough election year of passing immigration reform? >> i happen to be for immigration reform -- >> that's a separate question. >> yes, i'm going to say that as a precondition to say that i am, therefore, disappointed to tell you that i don't see a reasonable prospect of passing immigration reform this year. and i think that one of the reasons for it is that the only republican who's come forward to say he'll work with democrats in immigration reform, lindsey graham, says, i won't do it this year. >> a lot of democrats don't want to take this tough vote in this

election year. if there's not unanimous support on the democratic side and you know that raising the issue will cost you your only republican on another important issue, why do it now? the president is suddenly talking more about it, leader reid is pushing it more. many do come to the conclusion that they're looking at base politics. they need latino voters to come out in the midterm elections. is that all this is about? >> i sure hope that's what they're looking at. >> let me ask you to step back from the emotions of that particular debate at the moment. the immigration redate. where are we in town? everything is left/right. republicans will vote no on the financial reform bill today, they say they'll go negotiate. health care was left/right. we now seeing this playing out in the midterm election year. there are democrats that say we don't want any more tough votes. we want to go home in a year that even you said will be a tough year in the democratic party. what's the climate in town right now? not very pretty. >> the climate's bad.

and what's worse and more important is the climate of attitude toward government out across america is terrible. because they see people in washington playing partisan political games that seem to be mostly related to the next election instead of to their lives in the next generation or the next period of history. it's really bizarre. it's been going on for years here, but it seems to get worse. both parties never stop campaigning. party loyalty is put ahead of the national interests, what's good for the public, for the people who are good enough to send us here. and the net effect of that is that the american people have a lower opinion, less trust in their government than any time in my adult life. and that is bad. we got big problems that we can only solve if we work together, and we're not doing that now. >> so then give some advice to

the governor of florida. you know him well, charlie crist. he's in a tough primary right now. you lost a primary and you decided to run as an independent and you won re-election to the united states estate. he faces the decision this week as far as running for an independent, they call it something different in florida. if you were him, could you tell him, you know what? it can be done? >> i won't offer public advice to charlie crist. every campaign, every individual is a different situation. but i'll say this. when i lost the democratic primary for re-election in 2006 in connecticut, it was the most painful moment, most disappointing moment of my political career. and yet as i look back to it, it sure didn't feel like that then, i felt like i was done a favor. because if i wanted to continue to serve and i didn't want to give up as a result of the rejection of the democratic party, i had to go forward and run as an independent. and my state laws fortunately

allowed me to do that. that's not the case in florida. being elected as an independent, god bless the people of connecticut. i think put me in exactly the position i want to be in in this hyperpartisan, nonproductive, divisive time in our politics. it give meese the latitude to try to be a bridge on a lot of different issues to make things happen or sometimes not to be a bridge, just to speak out, say what i believe whit makes somebody in one or another party happy or not. >> thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> if you are one of the volunteers who signed up for barack obama. i'm ed whitacre, from general motors. a lot of americans didn't agree with giving gm a second chance. quite frankly, i can respect that. we want to make this a company all americans can be proud of again. that's why i'm here to announce we have repaid our government loan, in full, with interest,

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professor and his mom taught fifth grade. i want to bring dana bash back into the conversation. we all get the e-mails, too, because we're trying to track them. one of the steps they've taken in recent days is a personal video appeal from the president himself. and listen who the president is trying to motivate saying, you were with me in 2008, don't sit out 2010. >> it will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, african-american, latinos and women who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again. >> so when you run into the vulnerable democrats on capitol hill, do they think this operation has their back? do they want the president so invested? >> they'll take anything that they can get. historically last year when some of the vulnerable democrats who were conservatives were considering to vote for health care, this group, the president's group really smacked them and it caused some bad blood. but my question is right now given the fact that democrats don't seem to be very motivated, when they get those e-mails,

will they think, hm, has he closed guantanamo bay? no, has he brought troops back from afghanistan? no. they're going to hit delete on that e-mail whether going out to work for him. >> whether democrats who are mad about some issues still rally to the bigger party cause or stay home? it could make a huge difference. latino voters. the president mentioned them. if you go gak to 2006 remember this number, 69% of latino voters cast their ballots for democrats. in 2008, move the number up, 68% voted for the democrats. but look at our polling now as to how latino voters plan to vote in this year's congressional elections. 56%. 12, 13 points down from 2006 and 2008. if those numbers hold firm, that will cost the democrats some house seats and maybe a senate seat come november. >> you wonder why the democrats are suddenly talking about moving immigration reform. it is not an accident.

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stories of our radar. tonight cornell belcher and kevin madden. here's one just in. congressional producer ted barrett tells cnn that democrats plan the next cloture vote, that's what they call it, they didn't have the votes to start the debate on financial reform. the democrats want to have another vote. they think even in losing there's political victory. make sense? >> if it looks like the republicans are just showing opposition to reform, yes, but i think that clearly what you've seen is that there's a persuadable electorate out there that washington doesn't have all the answers here, that democrats don't have all the answers, and that in order to get a bill that works, they have to come to the table and have a bipartisan bill. if anything, this is another step in the process towards a deal. >> republicans are looking like they're blocking reform here. look, there's no one group that americans are more angry at than wall street. right now looks like republicans are on the side of wall street. as a political play, we got to

love it. because you block reform, block reform, block reform when americans are angry at wall street. >> by a hair. they're almost as angry at washington. so they don't trust washington to fix this. >> i've covered michigan's democratic governor jennifer granholm many years. never been shy. check this out. i call this a video resume for a job opening on the u.s. supreme court. >> i'm from the most challenged state in the country, and, you know, for somebody to experience and see what everyday people are feeling and experiencing out there, i think is an important thing to consider. >> to be fair, she also mentioned janet napolitano, also a former governor. her term is up. she can't run again. she's actually saying, look at me, mr. president. >> she's a strong candidate. she's on the short list along with some other people on the short list. what the president said is you want someone beyond that realm

of the courts. that could bring real world common sense to it. she understands the struggles of real world. >> i agree, it sounds like a plea. every time a supreme court nomination or vacancy comes up, we do this. y with start talking about people who i think will never get nominated. a great conversation. something usually had here in washington, d.c., and only in washington, d.c., but ultimately -- >> you're suggesting we're disconnected from 'ali eed from >> just a touch. >> he does have people on the short list that are not your typical run of the mill folks. >> this sounds like a believe it when i see it environment here. this is interesting, especially for the parents. the u.s. supreme court will decide whether california can ban the sale of violent video games to children. whether to speculate on scalia talking about grand theft auto, we're asking this blogger for her take. >> my issue as a parent and as a

mom blogger, it's the things that i can't control. i can't control when we're watching an nfl, nhl, nba game in the middle of the sunday when one of these video games customers come on. i have to dive for the remote because i don't want any 7-year-old seeing it. she doesn't need the courts, she'll decide what her kids will rent or buy. >> that's exactly right. you have nine members of the supreme court. 435 members of the congress, 100 senators. none can do what i do in my house, which is police my children. i'm more powerful than all of them put together. all the laws and regulations in world aren't going to be able to stop what one parent can do. >> it's hard to disagree with that. it should be parental responsibility. it starts with thatp about you about at the same time should we be able to ban some of this stuff that we know is toxic and hurting the kids? shouldn't government have a role

in saying, hey, you know what? that's out of line. we're going to help parents here. not everyone is a great parent. >> just go to the garage and maybe throw the circuit breaker. you guys hang out right here. we'd like to get your take on this issue as well. we're giving you all week to make your case. a good idea to ban the sale of violent video games to children? post your opinion on cnn.com -- jkusa. the winners get a guaranteed, nonviolent and friendly jkusat-shirt. dad, here, look at this. your p.a.d. isn't just poor circulation in your legs causing you pain. ok. what is it? dad, it more than doubles your risk of a heart attack or stroke. you'd better read about plavix. if you have p.a.d., plavix can help protect you from a heart attack or stroke. plavix helps keep blood platelets from sticking together and forming clots- the cause of most heart attacks and strokes. talk with your doctor about plavix?

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here comes the play-by-play. >> we're back with the "play-by-play." we break down the action, break down the tape. sometimes we take another look at the key plays. still us with here, kaven madden and cornell belcher. latino voters turned away a bit from the democratic party, in part because they say you promised us you would deal with immigration reform very early on. i want to take you back to the campaign. listen to the president and then candidate obama not make this promise not once, not twice, but

more. >> i'm tired of seeing immigration used as a political football. >> we have to stop using this as a political football. and instead actually solve the problem. >> but this requires us not to use this as a political football. >> i'm tired of people using this as a political football. >> he's consistent if nothing else in saying political football. there are some, even some democrats mumbling now we don't have the votes for this. there are no republicans to join us on this. and they see the president or maybe more pointedly leader reid bringing up as a political football to try to check a box saying we tried. >> look, i know it's crazy in this town for someone to follow-through on a campaign promise, but that's what he's doing. when he campaigned on the idea that i'm going to take on the big fight. i'm going to stop kicking the can down the road and take on the big fight, that's what change is all about. we talked about immigration for a long time. the president's taking it on. we may not have the votes now, it's a fight worth taking on. he's not going to keep kicking the can down the road.

it takes leadership. >> to use the football analogy a little bit more, both parties are going to see the best punters on this one. it's going to go back and forth and back and forth. if you're one of the democrats that sits in one of the majority seats -- i'm sorry, sits in one of the seats that mccain won, you are very worried that this is going to, you know, alienate your base. the way the democrats and the republicans start to fight over it. i think republicans are also worried that we're going to, you know, we may scare off the independents with the way we talk about the immigration issue. i think it's important not to look at latinos as just one monolithic bloc. i think one of the reasons that they got away from the democrats and the president is because of economic issues, spending in washington. a lot of the other economic issues that they care about. >> let's have the voice of the arizona governor to the debate. jan brewer signed that new bill. allows them to say, hey, can you prove you're in the country if they have reasonable suspicion, can you prove you're in the country legally. she says she signed that law

because she is writing president obama and washington for months and not getting a good answer. >> the last year and a half with my five letters that i have sent and have spoken to the president personally in regards to that has been met with complete, total disrespect to the people of arizona. >> let us stop that there. we get her point. she says washington is not helping. she is also in a tough republican prime airy. let's not let her, you know, say this is all about washington. she has politics at home as well. but how much? washington was going to have this conversation anyway. how much does the arizona law and the conversation about that change the debate here? >> you know, i think you're right on first part which is that when all else fails, blame washington. what happens is if immigration was as easy as a lot of people make it out to be, it would have been solved already. it's not. it's a very complex issue. when the complexities get

distilled down to the basics, it becomes about what i disagree about with you. it poisons the debate oftentimes. >> let me call time-out on this issue. the president met with the reverend billy graham on sunday over the weekend. i want to bring up the photo so everybody can see it. you see him right there. reverend graham is clearly getting up in age. the president meets with him. now let's go back in time a little bit. you can see george w. bush meeting there with billie graham and also bill clinton meeting with billy graham. we show you these three, 12 u.s. presidents dating back to harry truman met to the pastorst president as you call him. how important a cultural figure? >> he is an awfully important cultural figure and one i think we're going to miss as time goes on. and it hasn't been a partisan thing. you go there and you pay hommage. you listen to what he has to say. >> more importantly, he is a unifier. there are people from all ideological divides that can, you know, when we look to our faith we look to its history as

a big part of how we became a country. i think a lot of people afford that certain level of respect. >> we could use a unifying figure at the moment. >> you're right. >> next, we go out with pete on the street. he is looking at how the immigration law is playing in new york city. ♪ i'm going to own my own restaurant. i want to be a volunteer firefighter. when i grow up, i want to write a novel. i want to go on a road trip. when i grow up, i'm going to go there. i'm going to work with kids. i want to fix up old houses. [ female announcer ] at aarp we believe you're never done growing. i want to fall in love again. [ female announcer ] together we can discover the best of what's next at aarp.org. [ female announcer ] together we can discover to the seekers of things which are one of a kind. the authentic, the rare, the hard to define. to those who'd climb mountains or sail across seas...

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talking about politics. we wanted to send our reporter pete dominick on the street to find out what people in new york city thichlt hey, pete. >> reporter: hey, john. obviously this law in arizona is controversial. one thing that isn't controversial is that our nation, the united states of america, is a nation of immigrants. i went on the street to prove that. >> my mother is half black, half jamaican. my father is half puerto rican and half black. >> korean. >> south america. >> czechoslovakia and poland. >> my grandmother is african-american and that's it. >> pakistan. >> grandfather is originally from panama. >> all right. >> my grandmother is american indi indian. >> italian and irish. >> reporter: where did your parents meet? >> new jersey. hackensack, new jersey. >> reporter: of course they did. >> i'm not sure. >> reporter: you're not sure what you are. this woman has no idea. what's your favorite foreign food, ethnic food if you had to

go anywhere? >> kielbasi. perogis. >> rice and beans. >> oxtail and curry chicken. >> reporter: you eat oxtail? >> chicken rice. it's cooked together. >> jerk chicken. >> chicken curry. >> reporter: everything chicken. everybody eats chicken everywhere in the world. how many languages do you speak? >> a lot. >> i have my own language, french, english, and i try some spanish. >> we speak vietnamese at home. >> reporter: your kaugt is saying do you not. what about sports? i imagine you're a big soccer or futbol fan? >> well, actually, i don't play since i left school. >> sports, cricket. >> reporter: cricket. enough with this cricket. >> it's the only game where they stop for tea. >> reporter: they stop for tea? >> baseball. >> reporter: a mets fan? yeah. i can't deal with a mets fan. but that must have been like 20