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reverend al sharpton dough announces it. sheriff joe ar pay yoe defends it. i referee next on "larry king liv live". brett michaels from poison and reality tv stars in critical condition this week. he suffered a brain hemorrhage last week. joining us with all the late sest donald trump jr., executive vice president of the trump organization. his father will be here wednesday night, by the way. he appears on nbc's "celebrity apprentice," one of the more successful nbc shows. brett is currently a contestant on that show. dr. sanjay gupta is a practicing neurosurgeon. he'll be joining us in a moment. and in los angeles, carlos diaz, syndicated radio host and former correspondent for "extra." what's the latest, carlos, on

his condition? >> well, the latest, of course, is that brett michaels will be going -- undergoing tests all week long as doctors continue to try to find the source of the bleeding. there have been several reports that he is out of the woods. that is not true. he is still listed in critical condition as doctors continue to look for the source. he suffered a major brain hemorrhage thursday, was taken to the hospital. he's going to undergo more test this is week. he said that the pain while he was headed to the hospital is like a baseball bat hitting him in the head over and over again and doctors describe this kind of pain as a thunder clap headache. >> larry: is he in a coma? >> no. the reports are that he is talking. he has slurred speech. he does have some double vision and some dizziness. but he is talking. reports this weekend were that he was talking this weekend. but doctors have ordered him sedated through the weekend. >> larry: as we said, brett

michaels, medical crisis coincides with the airing of the new season of "celebrity apprentice" in which he's a competitor. here's a clip. >> i just want to tell you guys on this serious situation, last night my daughter had blood sugar spill into her urine and they're testing her for diabetes. i have to be honest, i'm freaking out. so my brain is a little -- very serious. my daughter, i've shown her, i take the insulin injection ands she's asking me today, she said, dad, do i have to take shots -- like you do? you know, she shouldn't have to take shots like i do. i don't want to do any more interview. >> larry: the star of "celebrity apprentice" donald trump issued a statement about brett's

medical situation. it says "i'm deeply saddened to hear about brett michaels and my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family at this time. he's a great competitor and champion. i hope that he'll be fine." donald jr., how did you hear about this? >> actually, i heard about it on the news. i was traveling. you know, was really dismayed to hear it. i got to know them very well throughout the show, just hanging out with them on and off camera. he's just a great guy. you can see the emotion when talking about his family, talking about his daughter. he's really linked to the charity that he's playing for. you know, he is really invested emotionally. just a great guy. >> larry: does he cast a shadow on the show? >> you know what -- it thooz has to in a certain wa. people will see how he performs throughout the show. he's done great so far. but there is definitely an issue. >> larry: dr. sanjay gupta joins us. brett had a hemorrhage. is this as scary as it sounds?

>> what it is, what often occurs here is an aneurysm, larry. i think we have a picture to sort of show what this is specifically. but, you know, you get a little blister on ton of one of the blood vessels in the brain. sometimes that particular blister can pop or rupture. that's what that is. it causes sort of a spring of blood in and around the brain. and that can be, you know, very difficult to treat. large majority about, 50% or so of those patients, you know, either die or have significant neurological deficit. some of the news i'm hearing right now on your show, i think, is the more promising, more optimistic news that he's talking,al and has vision. those are good signs. much better than it can be in these situations. >> larry: the official website says there will be further testing done to locate the source of the bleeding. what kind of testing is that? >> well, this is kind of

unusual. but an important point. typically if someone has a hemorrhage like this, can you find the source of the bleeding by doing an afrngiogram. >> larry: i've had them. >> they can do the same thing for the brain. and in his case, when they did the afrpg yngiogram, they did nd an aneruysm. sometimes you do them and sometimes later you do find the aneruysm. maybe blood was pushing on it and you couldn't see it perfectly. 15%, 10% to 15% of cases, they never will find the exact reason as to why this bleeding occurred. he may not have a definitive answer. >> larry: what kind of guy is he, donald? >> just a great guy. wonderful. some of us is really hurt because he has diabetes. it's the charity he's playing for. he thinks about it all the time. he's worried his daughters have it. he is really emotionally invested in this charity. it is something that he really talked about a lot. he's a great guy. >> larry: did you hit it off with him right away? >> i d all the people from "celebrity apprentice," i had

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tomorrow night and donald trump sr. will be here on wednesday. brett michaels was hit by a piece of scenery during an appearance on the 2009 tony awards. he talked about the incident back in march on "lopez tonight." watch. >> i'm walking backwards. they say always face the audience, right? i'm like what you are talking about? so i'm walking backwards. i go this went great. i throw my hands in the air and i said this rocked. this is killer. and i turn and, bam! >> larry: all right. could that have -- could that be a forerunner of this? >> you know, it's interesting. when you talk about this type of hemorrhage, there is two reasons that can cause it. one is the aneruysm that we're talking about earlier and the other is trauma. someone who has some sort of traumatic injury to the brain. but, you know, this is some time ago, it was june of 2009. so close to a year ago. if he had some bleeding in the brain at that point, it was -- it would be unlikely to cause a

problem at this point. so i think those two things are probably unrelated. >> larry: could diabetes have anything to do with it? >> you know, it's interesting. i think most people would say no. he does have type one diabetes as he's talked about publicly. there have been a few studies, small studies that show people who have diabetes take some of the medications for diabetes can have, are more likely to have certain types of bleeds in the brain. but the type of bleed that he had is a different type, probably again from the ruptured aneruysm. so i think that also probably unrelated. high blood pressure, smoking, certain medications, certain drugs and sometimes genetics, those things can be risk factors. but diabetes not so much. >> larry: let's be clear, this could be permanently damaging? >> yeah. you know, when you talk about this type of bleeding in the brain, again, you know, a significant number of people within about a month or so don't survive. again, as i mentioned, i'm encouraged by the things i've

heard about how he's doing now. but the larger question really for neurosurgeons is two questions, one, can we figure out what happened here precisely and make sure it doesn't happen again? and, two, figure out, you know, neurologically how he is going to do? is he going to have difficulties with speech? may he have difficulty with the strength on one side of the body or the other? that is a longer term scenario and longer term questions. >> larry: carlos, from a showbiz standpoint, how big a story is this? >> well, you know, he is a star that transcends several generations. you talked about donald trump jr. about whether he can remember him growing up with poison. i grew up with him and poison in the '80s and then, of course, in the '90s there is reports he dated pamela anderson and now he's on "celebrity apprentice". this guy has fans in their 40s and 20s. so this is a story that a lot of people are following about a guy who's had a career that's been

well over 20 years. >> larry: is it -- what happens on the show, donald? >> well, you know, a lot of it is filmed. we'll see what happens in the finally. brett's date of birth very well. >> larry: will we see him on the next show? >> you will see him on the next show. again, we did that in the fall. he continues to perform really well. he gotten into the stride now. he started off slow, difficult time. really expressing himself to people. he's an artist. he is a really creative guy. now that we got into the crea creative tests, you've seen him come out of shiz sheof his shel. >> larry: i guess you can't cancel. it is going to be bizarre to seeing him? >> i think it could be a little bit bizarre. like my father said, we're hoping the best for him. i think we're less concerned about the show than his well-being. he's a great guy. some of the filming, he brought his kids down. you can see he is really into that world. he is a family guy. he's not just a rocker. >> larry: sanjay, how life threatening can it be? >> at the time this happens,

again that, thunder clap headache that was described, that's a classic sign, again, of this aneruysm literally rupturing. and about 10% of people that point don't survive. he obviously survived that. another quarter of people, you know, they don't make it through the first couple days in the hospital. again, within 30 days, you're talking 45 to 50% of people don't survive. this is a significant problem. and that degree of bleeding in the brain, i haven't seen his scans. but based on what is being described, obviously of concern. the fact that he is talking and, you know, able to maybe communicate according to some of the reports that we're hearing, good sign. i think the larger question and longer-term question is he going to be able to return to normal in terms of speech and strength? >> larry: our panel remains. we'll be joined by a competitor who worked alongside brett on celebrity apprentice, one of the great baseball stars darryl strawberry is on deck. stick around. it's actually my iphone, but everyone in the family loves it.

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>> larry: darryl strawberry joins us, the baseball great was a contestant on "celebrity apprentice" with brett michaels. he got the boot in week three. his book comes out in paper back next week. what's your reaction to all this? >> well, first of all, i was hard broken when i heard the news about brett. you know, i got a chance to meet brett when i was on the show. and we became real good friends. being on the show with him, he's

a very competitive person. he's a wonderful person. he is so unique. i think a lot of times on the show nobody wanted to hear what he was saying when he had his suggestions about what we should do as a team. his ideas were great. he was always creative. you know, my heart goes out to brett and his family. i love him dearly. i talked to him about a month and a half ago after i was booted off the show. and we kind of would just laugh and joke about the show. and, you know, he wished i hadn't left. you know, when i got booted off the show, brett signed me a guitar, one of his personal guitars. gave it to me as a friend of his. >> larry: were you a fan of poison? >> i had no idea about poison. i had no idea -- first time i saw brett was on "the rock of love." when i saw that show, i thought wow this guy is crazy as ever. then i saw he was on "the apprentice" when i got there. and when i met him the first couple days i was wondering,

what is wrong with this guy. he was kind of slow moving, slow pacing. but you realize he's a rocker. and that's what rockers do. and after time went by, me and him became buddy buddy. we just kind of hung out and hung in our little corners over there and talked. and i hated to see, you know, the frustration that he went through from time to time because of his ideas and his opinions about our task. and no one would pay attention to him. >> larry: donald, was brett what you expected? >> actually, totally not. you know, he was much more intelligent. again, he is an artist. so it took a long time to get the thoughts out, as he is saying. but when he came up with something, it was great. just a very creative guy. can you see why he's able to last generations in that business. >> larry: we have a statement from brett's publicist. it says, "brett remains in icu, in critical condition under 24-hour doctor care and supervision. we're hopeful that further tests will locate the source of the bleeding. as we all know, brett is a fighter and we're hopingful that

one auns is complete the slurred speech, blurred vision and dizziness will be eliminated and all functions will return to normal." how important, sanjay, is attitude? >> you know, i think it's very important. we think about this a lot as doctors and particularly i think as neurosurgeons. sounds like he has a real fight in him. i think that that can certainly help the healing process. when you think about, again, this type of bleeding, larry, this isn't the type of blood that sort of pools on top of the brain. this is more like blood sort of getting into a sponge, like watter in a sponge. this is how the blood gets into the brain. and so it's hard to take out. i think someone just needs to -- it's a long recovery period. the more that someone has a fight in them, the more likely they are to recover. you're looking at the image there. take a look at that highlighted area. that's what the aneruysm looks like. and it's a blister on the blood vessel. that can release blood as you see there. that's how -- what transpiers in this case, larry.

>> larry: carlos, brett's people are very tight. do we know what hospital he's in? >> that's very unusual that we have not found that out yet. it is an undisclosed location in los angeles. he is in the icu but no one knows exactly what hospital he is in. and his friends and family members who are up updating the website are be very secretive as to where he is right now. and, of course, all this going on just ten days after he had an an emergency appendectomy. he is being rushed to the hospital for a massive brain hemorrhage. a lot of different medical problems going on right now with brett michaels. >> larry: and i guess that's their business. all right. we thank dr. gupta and darryl strawberry for joining us. carlos and donald trump will carlos and donald trump will remain and winner of vh-1's brett's and actress and model will join us. it's a sale. nothing beats a sale! wrong move! you.

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>> larry: we're back. the third season of vh-1's "rock of love" features women competing for brett michael's affection. tea parker was brett's eventual pick. take a look.

>> you held yourself with class, dignity. you're beautiful to be around. and you roll with everything. you're everything wrapped up in what i'm looking for. you are my rock of love. okay? all right? come here. >> i know i wasn't the safe choice in all this. but i was the right choice. and i think he felt it along the line. i know i felt it. >> can you deal withe? >> let's go. >> we welcome tea parker to "larry king live" from columbus, ohio. she and brett were at an event together on april 9th, two weeks before brett's brain hemorrhage. did you see anything wrong then? >> no, larry. there was absolutely no indication that anything was wrong. they were doing a lot of taping for nbc for some "celebrity apprentice" pieces. and, i mean, it was probably one of the better concerts that i had ever seen of his.

i remember commenting on that to a couple people. just how energetic he was and he was just on point that night. it was just amazing. it was amazing to see. and i think back on that since all of this has happened. like were there any warning signs? did i notice that anything was off? and you would not have known it. i mean he was just in his element. i mean he was having such a good time. you could just tell the energy on stage was amazing. >> larry: you dated for a while, right? >> he chose me on the show. you know, we've remained close. i've seen him a couple times since the show. i saw him on april 9th right before the emergency appendectomy in texas. this does all come as, you know, a complete shock. it's just a devastating time. i mean i think it's emotional for everyone. >> larry: have you been in touch with the family? >> i have not. i noe by no means want to gift impression that i'm here speaking, you know, for brett or for his family.

i felt it was important, you know, to say -- to speak on the person that he is and the person that i witnessed him to be and the person that he has come to be in my life and how much he means to so many people. you know, being on such a high profile show like "rock of love," when something happens, you know, i'm kind of someone that the fans and the public reach out to. you know, i get so many well wishes sent to me for brett. i mean they sent e-mails to me in hopes that i'll deliver these messages to him. and it being such a difficult time, you noi, of course, you want to respect the privacy of the family. so, i mean, it's a difficult time. i can't imagine what they're going through. >> larry: carlos, is his fan base multigenerational? >> yes, exactly. i mean that's the thing. you talk about him as being the poison front man. that goes back 20 years. you talk about him as being, you know, the guy from "rock of love" which is an immensely

popular show and then "celebrity apprentice." the thing that everyone says about brett michaels, and i can tell you this by interviewing him several times, he is a great guy and the kind of guy that you want to hang out with because he's down to earth. he looks you right in the eye. and, you know, he's not the fake hollywood guy that you might find sometimes. he's real. and that's the reason he stayed, you know, popular for so long. >> larry: i know you're not going to give things away, donald. you taped everything until the final. >> correct. >> larry: is he there for the final? was he scheduled for the final? >> he'll be involved in the final. they bring back a lot of the people for the finale. but, yeah, he is scheduled to be involved. you know, again, he'll be there next week. and, you know, he's been a great competitor. he's really come into his stride now. and like everyone's been saying, he is really that great guy that you wouldn't expect. >> larry: tea, you've been hearing from a lot of fans? >> i have. i mean outpouring from his fans. they're doing candlelight vigils. i have a sweet girl from dover, pennsylvania, named chrissy,

they're doing candlelight vigils every night at 8:00. so if everyone keeps that in mind, they want everyone to light a candle and pray for brett and pray for his family and for a speedy recovery. i mean he's just got amazing fans. i mean young children with diabetes like dustin, he's 15 years old. he lives in albuquerque, new mexico. he says brest's like me. i have diabetes like brett and he gives me reason to fight for a cure. he's been to brett's camp for diabetes. >> larry: he's in all our prayers. thank you. we'll see your dad on wednesday, donald. will arizona's new immigration law divide a state and possibly a country? the fiery debate is next. exec: well, it's easy for him. he's a cute little lizard. gecko: ah, gecko, actually - exec: with all due respect, if i was tiny and green and had a british accent i'd have more folks paying attention to me too... i mean - (faux english accent) "save money! pip pip cheerio!"

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jail. and we have a big problem in this state and across our nation. something has to be done. the federal government needs help. and we're here to help. >> larry: sheriff, what is wrong with that? it's a crime. it's only misdemeanor. >> if it's a crime, there is nothing wrong with it. but if you're going to target people based on who they are, in this case mexican-american, but if it is anybody, that is racial profiling on its face. to say we're going to stop the incoming of people that are mexicans into america is to say that you're going to look for people that look mexican, which is racial profiling, for legal citizens of hispanic dissent. that's the problem with it. >> larry: the mayor of phoenix calls it a hateful law. how do you respond? >> he's an open border guy. he called me nazi, every name in the book. let's get back to al. al, you came here in june.

actually, we met in my office. you asked for my resignation. you encourage activists to follow my deputies around. i'm really sad that now you're trying to perpetuate more violence if there's going to be violence in dissent over this new law. >> i'm a little confused. i'm a little surprised at you. you said i was there three times. none of the times was there violence. and then noornlg did i perpetrate violence. i asked you to resign because people there are making complaints. this is not about you. this is about the constitution of the united states. and this is about making sure that people have equal protection under the law. and if you are a latino in phoenix, you should not be subjected to having to ride around with citizenship papers any more than anyone else. if you're a person of color that you may think of latino, you shouldn't have to be submitted to anything other -- this is not

about you, sheriff. this is about the constitution of the united states. >> you're the one that is butting into our business here, al. i know you get paid for it. but that's your business. but you don't even know what you're talking about. >> i don't know, first of all, any immigrants that are coming here from mexico that can pay anyone. and certainly no one -- in fact, i paid my way to arizona the three times i came. i'll pay my way this time. it's not about money. you want to get personal, let's talk about the constitution. your law enforcement officers. let's talk about the law. >> you don't understand the law. >> larry: all right. here is one -- sheriff, the key question is, what constitutes a reasonable suspicion? >> well, you know, we stop people all the time for every type of traffic violation, you know, cops do that all the time. they have a right to ask for their driver's license, id and such -- >> larry: anyone? >> of course. we don't just go on the street corner -- >> larry: then why do you need a law that says reasonable suspicion if it's already inherent? >> let me tell you this, now

there is the new law that says we can arrest people pursuant to our duties if they're here illegally. so that's a good part of the law. there is nothing yowrong with that. >> it says reasonable suspicion of being here illegally. so he's talking about car stops. we're talking about immigration. first of all, immigration is in the hands of the federal government. no state is supposed toint fear wi to interfere with the federal government. immigration is federal business. secondly, i think that if he's the toughest sheriff in the country in immigration, then why do they still have a problem with -- they have three different laws. if he's so tough, we should see immigration having gone down. thirdly, it is clearly designed at an ethnic group of people. something he is not denying. you are going to tell me if you pull people over in that county or in that state that are not looking like they're latino, they're going to ask them to

prove their citizenship? >> we do it all the time. >> i think we should deal with the problem of immigration reform. i think that the congress and the federal government must move forward. none of us want to see the borders opens. none of us want to see drugs and crime. but you don't have two wrongs to make one civil right. people do have rights. >> larry: doesn't that concern you, sheriff, to say target someone just because they happen to be of a certain race? >> we don't do that. we've arrested hundreds and hun hundreds of people and never had any problems until al's friend the president of 60 days in office had his justice department launch a civil rights investigation against me and my people. they've been roaming the streets for a year and a half. they haven't found anything. so evidently we're doing the right thing and i know that law enforcement under this new law will do the right thing. >> larry: let me get a break. we'll be right back. communities. industry. energy.

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>> larry: sheriff, you have ever asked a white person to prove their citizenship or legal immigrant status? >> we do it all the time.

we always when we stop someone, we ask date of birth, where they were born, id, nothing changes. doesn't matter where they're from. >> larry: what's wrong with that, al? >> there is nothing wrong with that if there were not many people and despite the fact that he says -- >> larry: he says they stop white, black, mexican alike. >> there have been all kinds of complaints filed that led to the federal government investigating him that there were civil rights violations in the state. >> larry: do you think they were racially profiling? >> that is the accusation that is -- he said there wasn't a problem until this president got there. i think this justice department is reviewing things that had been complained about way before this president was in. but i think -- larry, it's very simple. if you're saying the way we're going to alleviate a mexican immigration problem is by now having the right under suspicion to go after people you are saying we're going to look at

people that look a certain way. that's racial profiling. i mean you can't have it both ways. >> larry: sheriff, isn't that logical the way he explained that. you're going to look at people differently. >> no, we do not. 38,000 people. we have investigated, detained, 38,000. so you get a handful of people that make a complaint. so i don't believe that. that's a cop out to bring the race card into this situation. >> of the 38,000, how many people were white that you arrested? >> i'm talking about 38,000 -- we monitor 200,000. out of the 200,000, 38,000 or 34,000 were here illegally. >> out of the arrests you've made, what is the percentage of nonhispanic arrests? >> well, very few. we happen to be next to the border, al. you know that. so consequently, many of the arrests are from mexico or latin america. >> i'm talking about in injure

general arrests, is it not true, sir, that there has been a complaint with your whole county department about racial profiling across the border. is that not true? i'm not just talking about the border -- >> i just said the justice department 60 days. >> narrator: under the obama administration sent the civil rights people here. they've been roaming around for a year and a half. if we're racial profiling, where is the proof? >> so this is not about as you say, somebody being paid to come in or there was violence. this is about there's been complaints made by the citizens that the justice department reviewing. i understand you -- >> you know, when you have 38,000, you deal with, you bound to get a few complaints. you know that. people complain about you whether you come here. >> sure. you just made some reckless complaints about violence that never happened and money that never happened. we're trying to get to is the constitution of the united states protects people with equal protection under the law.

if i'm latino, if i'm black, i should be treated the same way as anyone else stopped in the state of arizona. >> and you are. >> and that is the bottom line. that is not the case. that is not how this law has been pointed out. >> larry: let me get a break. the attorney general is concerned that maybe this might damage relations between police in the latino community. we'll talk about that when we come back.

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>> larry: sanjay gupta is going to sit in for anderson cooper this week. what's up tonight, anderson -- what's up, sanjay? >> easy to get us confused. tonight on "360," we're taking on wall street. a big topic today. congress goes after the most powerful man at the most powerful bank. he is the ceo of goldman sachs. democrats and republicans, as we found out, are going after each other, playing chicken with wall street reform. we're going to "keep them honest." tragedy, terror and raw emotion of tracking down a killer tornado. a storm chaser shot the video you're looking at there while another twister took the lives of ten people in mississippi. and up cloet close tonight, do you believe in ufos? if so, tonight, guess what? you're in pretty impressive

company. one of the as a matter of factest people on this planet, arguably, thinks there is a good chance that alien life exists. and not exactly the friendly et kind. we'll tell you more. those stories and more at the top of the hour. larry? >> larry: that's a fascinating story. sanjay gupta, 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. arizona's attorney general worries this new law can damage relations between the police and the latino community. he told "time" magazine that policing depends on casual contact. this bill is going to stop that communication. might this make policing tougher, sheriff? >> that's another cop out. certain people like the attorney general want amnesty. how do you think we get all the information? we get it from illegal aliens. and that's how we go into workplaces and arrest those in the workplace, a majority with only identification. so i don't go along with that that people won't talk to law enforcement.

>> i say, again, the attorney general of the state, you know, he wants amnesty. the mayor of phoenix is hateful. i'm, you know, i don't call -- >> why don't we deal with the constitution of the united states -- >> you're the one calling me all the names. >> what we said is the arizonians that invited me out there three times have used that title on him. but again, i'm not here to get into name-calling. my concern is, none of us want to see immigration laws disobeyed, none of us want to see the borders wide open, but we do not want to see this country lose its basis, saying that its treats its citizens equally. >> i agree. >> that's what the country's supposed to be about, and that's what this law speaks to. >> larry: sheriff, will this law help curb illegal immigration? >> it sure will. it sure will. i'm confident of that and we're going to do it in an honest, professional manner like we all have been doing it.

>> could you explain to the country why the laws that you have been enforcing has not worked and why you think this would, you claim to be the toughest guy, the laws -- >> here you go. >> -- you have used haven't worked, so why does this work? what's going to happen here other than harassing people based on who they are? by what magic are now we going to see because you stop people, you see they look like they're brown, that you're going to ask for their i.d., how this will bring this down? >> i'll tell you what, we have 20% of the people in the jails i operate are charged with murders and every violent crime you can think of are in this country illegally. they came across the border, they're criminals. >> and you're to be commended for arresting murderers. but i'm asking how this bill, you think, will solve the immigration problem without exacerbating tensions? how do you feel this works? because nothing that you've tried before has worked, sheriff. you still have the problem. >> no, i don't know, the problem is that a lot of people have

left this state, they're going to california or going back home, but they're leaving. >> the problem is that the people -- >> they're here illegally. we arrest a lot of people coming through, heading for california and other states. >> larry: al, what action do you plan here? >> well, i've said that if the court does not either enjoin this or if the courts do not overturn it, that just as freedom riders went into the deep south when i was a kid -- >> larry: you're going to lead a march? >> we're going to go into arizona and we're going to walk together as american citizens and not submit to this -- >> you said that last year. >> larry: have you heard the federal hearing before -- >> groups we're part of work along with other groups that are going into court this week, and if we can't overturn it, then we are willing -- i think martin luther king jr. said it best. sometimes you have to disobey state laws for a higher law and certainly to protect the federal constitution. >> larry: sheriff, do you fear an encounter here? >> no, he was here last year and

encouraged people to follow my deputies around and videotape my deputies, just because they were doing their job. so, you know, al, you come on back, we'll meet again in my office, we'll discuss the situation, person to person -- >> that's fine. but we're also going to test the officers. they hopefully won't be there, and either way we can meet in your office. but, again, my fight is not with you, my fight is we must protect the constitution of the united states for everyone whether they're black, brown, or white. that's the concern and i think if you listen to the citizens in arizona, or the attorney general, or the mayor, you would find that that's all that people are talking about. >> no, they're talking about that 75% love this new law. do your research. they like this new law. so if the people that i serve like the new law, we're going to enforce the law. very simple. >> well, i don't know if 75% like it or not, but i know there's been times when the majority like new laws that are unconstitutional and immoral.

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>> larry: this year we are celebrating the 25th anniversary of "larry king live." and today we're excited to kick off our interactive lkl top 25 moments where you get to pick the top five moments in this show's history. here's my buddy ryan seacrest to tell you how to take part. >> thank you, larry! well, we are obviously celebrating 25 years of "larry king live," so if you go to cnn.com/larrykingtoppicks, you can actually see the list of some of the biggest and best and most compelling shows that you've ever done. it's going to be hard to pick, but, for example, i chose one already here. like, let's take, "how you can help:hai hel help: haiti," so you click "pick," rank it number one, and then that will end up, larry, if you're following along, right up

here in the number one spot. another great show, i think it was 1988, i never had a chance to meet him, but he was one of your guests, frank sinatra, yeah, 1988. so i picked that and i can put it at number two. if you scroll up, you will see, sinatra, two. so what you should do is log on to cnn.com/larry kiking, pick y moments and see who comes up with their best and their favorites, then you'll broadcast them, the top five on your show. back to you in the studio. >> larry: thank you, ryan! also when you go to cnn.com/larryking, you can sign up for our larry king live 25 sweepstakes, a chance to win a trip to los angeles, meet me, and see the show in person. we'll have dinner too. in the coming weeks, we'll be showing you all the top 25 moments you can vote on, but to kick it off tonight, we thought it would be fun to go back to how it all began.

♪ >> larry: my name is larry king and this is the premiere edition of "larry king live." every night at this time, we'll be here for one hour. we'll meet fascinating people from all walks of life. we hope that you enjoy this kind of alternative to prime-time programming rather than murder, mayhem, sex, violence. we'll bring you all of those, but disguised as talk with questions. boy, did that turn out to be true. >> announcer: welcome to "larry king live"! >> larry: the first thing i noticed is my hair looked like a wig and i never have worn a wig. i was wearing a jacket, i don't wear a jacket anymore, and those glasses were ridiculous. we'll be back with governor mario cuomo after this. but i had a feeling that night that this show would make it. i don't know why. mario cuomo was the first guest, he was fantastic. >> that allows you to be a jew, and me to be a catholic, to choose, by allowing everybody to be what they are. >> larry: larry turner calle