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a lemon/lime snow cone on the beach. a little awkward. obama is like forget the oil spill for a minute can he we figure out how to fix the leaks in the bottom of these paper cone things? >> that's it for us. "larry king live" starts right now. next on "larry king live."
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good evening. we begin with news from the gulf. anderson cooper, host of "ac 360" is in port jackson, louisiana tonight. phillip cousteau joins us from new orleans and edward james e olmos, the actor returned from the gulf coast, shot a short film bp doesn't want to you see. here is what the president and bp executives discussed today. watch with. >> this $20 billion fund will not be controlled by either bp or by the government. it will be put in an escrow account,ed a minute sfwird an impartial, independent third party. so if you or your business has suffered an economic loss as a result of this spill, you will be eligible to file a claim for part of this $20 billion.
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>> you talk to people here, they overwhelm leg support this idea of having the escrow account. the devil is in the details, larry. how soon will this be set up? how do payments work? how do people apply for it? a lot of criticism about the system that bp has in place currently. a lot of people saying they put in claims weeks ago, not seeing their claims paid in a timely manner. bp says they have upped the percentage of claims for big commercial businesses that they paid out, but the state is complaining about the speed and the data that bp has on the smaller claims. hopefully, that will get sorted out with this new process but how long it is going to take is anybody's guess. >> felipe, what is your take on
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this? >> there is a concern this is a fund set up for legitimate claims, many of which will be file and paid in due course, we hope. however there is real need on the ground now, both for the communities that have been impacted and the people's lives, not just a few weeks from now, but the people that got laid off two weeks ago or earlier, also real problems with the environment, restoration and damage assessment needs to happen now and the funds for that still aren't available. >> folks, if you remember the telethon we did for haiti a while back, we are going to do another telethon, a "larry king live" special this monday night for two hours from 8 until 10 eastern, 5 until 6 pacific, 5 until 7 pacific and the subject is to help now, what these gentlemen have been talking about we are going to go at length with them, raise as much money as we can to help as many people as we can with. joining with us here in l.a.,
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edward with james olm to os, the actor and active gist, just back from the gulf, he produced this short video. before we talk about that, what was your reaction to what you saw? >> devastation. i wasn't quite prepared for the humanistic understanding. i thought they would be angry. i thought there would be a tremendous amount of energy. >> larry: what did you see? >> people that had given up, the lack of hope. hope is the one thing that keeps us alive and that is why we need it and they don't have hope over there and i think felipe said it very well and so did anderson, we need to really understand this. this is a human issue now as well as, you know, ecological issue. but can i just say one thing is that we have an opportunity to help over there i love what you're doing, those two hours and i hope you will invite me to be here to help you raise funds. and i hope that everyone will give. but i hope that they will spend time this year going to that
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region along all the gulf, all of it and continue to use that -- the hotels, the restaurants, bring a lot of -- let's make it the best year they have ever had. also a great place to go. >> it is wonderful. >> larry: ed olmos shot some video, calling it the short film bp doesn't want to you see. once y'all leave here, y'all do whatever you want to do documentary, three months, six months later. when y'all leave here, i need to get a job to save my house. my way of life is over. so, i have to go to bp and beg them for a job. so, six months, when this becomes public domain, what am i going to say to bp? well, rodney, you been talking bad about us. you have been telling people what we don't want to hear. we don't need to you work for us anymore it is all fine and d.a. dandy, but somebody's got to say something. >> that whole film is on our
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website, cnn.com/larry king. are people afraid of bp, anderson? are they? >> well, you know, look there is a lot of people who work for bp down here and a lot of people who need work and want to work for bp as part of the cleanup operations, a lot of people who can't find fishing jobs anywhere else, can't go for shrimps anymore, can't farm for oysters anymore. they need those jobs that bp is offering much and bp, you know, now they say, look, anybody can talk, anybody that works for bp can talk, but that is not the story that has been the case all along. i mean, for weeks with now, we have gone up and other report verse gone up to bp, contractors work on the beaches and they say, look, we can't talk, we sign a contract, bp told us not to talk. bp says now they are free to talk a all right of people are scared about speaking out, talking, getting their names out there, they need work down the road. >> larry: edward said a lot of these people have given up, have you noticed that? >> i think there is a lot of
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anger and frustration here along the coast. i have been tracking a covering this story from the very beginning down in louisiana and mississippi and alabama and i will be in florida next week, where it is unfortunately headed. but most of what i have seen there is as i have said, anger and frustration but still a lot of res sill yency in these communities, people ready and willing to fight, but they do need help. that is why the telethon we are doing next monday is so important, larry. people need help today and they need to know that this country is behind them. >> how do we let them know that, edward in the bp guy today said $20 billion and he is going to take care of everything. >> it is going to be very difficult. >> larry: you have faith in bp? >> i have faith bp will do what is best for bp. i said that on the show with anderson. i don't think they are doing the best for what's best for the humanity and the environment are right now. >> larry: what's the worst case scenario for the environment?
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>> larry: we want to remind but our two-hour special this monday night, disaster in the gulf, how you can help. it begins at 8 eastern. we have got a great lineup of celebrity guests who are going to help us raise money for our friends down south. we would love to have your support, too, because they need your help now. bp -- the bp chairman apologized today for what's going on. watch. >> i would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the american people on behalf of all the employees in bp, many of whom are living on the gulf coast. and i do thank you for the
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patience. >> you know, tough judge based on actions and also past statement. i mean, look, bp hassed me a number of statements about promising transparency and i think that's the thing that most people down here just do not believe that they have followed through on. this is a company clearly not used to having the world watching what they are doing. and clearly has not figured out what transparency truly means. there is a number of things that they have done which they could have easily made far more traps parent. their operations currently are not very transparent, a number of thens we have never seen, very basic thing. so i think that is a lot of the frustration here. they have a remarkable story to tell, they are working extraordinarily hard. i don't think anybody here doubts that. they have people and engineers working around the clock, but i
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think executives have not done a very good job of letting people see the process and letting people see what is actually happening and that's the only way we can know whether or not, you know, they are doing everything they can. >> t. boone pickens, right along this said this could go into mid september. go you buy that? >> i do. i think what people are overlooking is the fact that relief well is not always successful. and this is predicted to be one of the worst hurricane seasons in several years a hurricane comes through and deposits further oil inland and on the larger wetlands and marches causing further environmental disaster is a very real possibility and people need help, the restoration needs to start happening now and people in the communities suffering need help now, bus in the long run, paying money for legitimate
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claims won't be helpful. and it is a good step in the right direction but it is not dealing with with the challenges and the very real pain that's happening today. >> edward, what do you hope to accomplish with this short documentary film? >> we are just allowing people to experience the human outlook on it i know that they wouldn't talk to any of the reporters. these people would never talk to reporters. >> why not? >> for the -- afraid of bp. yeah. they on the gulf right now. >> larry: now you are going to snow to bp? >> is that the courage that rodney and mark and gina and joe and about j abj gave themselves they sacrifice sod people could understand the humanistic side of. this i say thank you to them, he they put themselves on the firing line. rodney said it clearly.
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joe's landing is a beautiful place to go visit and i hope they will all go there and also to c & m fuel dock, where bj works. those are places that have to be populated. people have to go there and rent the boats. i wanted to ask you one question, did you ever hear of the istak oil spill of 1979, june 3rd? the same thing that happened here happened there >> larry: where was it? >> right here in mexico, the gulf of mexico. >> larry: i didn't know. >> yeah, 1979, the istak. i got to tell you only 160 feet deep and they ended up going down 11,000. once they broke ground, they went down 11,000 feet more. the oil, when it came out and it blew up and same exact thing happened here, they -- it took them almost ten months to -- and they had to do two -- they had to tap in with two wells on the sides. and nobody even knows about it. and that's really -- everything that we tried to do here was already tried with with --
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>> larry: what companies? >> pam ex. i got to say one thing, there is real danger never be working down there and already been proven. like during the "exxon valdez" spill, hundreds of people who worked that spill died after working that spill. and we know that they need respirators down there >> larry: anderson, you have almost lived there, seems forever. how do you explain the resiliency of those people? >> i mean, look, this is a region that has seen a lot of natural disasters. this, of course is not a natural disaster that bears repeating often. this is a man-made disaster. but this is a place that you know, these are tough people. and it sounds cliche to talk about resilience. we reporters often talk about it in disaster zones but it really is true are. you see that in, you know, in generations of people who have carved a living out of the marches, who carved a living off the land here and that is going to continue. new orleans is a remarkable
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place. it is a city of memory. it is a place where it doesn't erase the past, even how painful the past may be, incorporate the past, like walking -- walking down the streets, you see the past alive in the present. and i think this city, new orleans will continue, the gulf coast will continue, but lives here are hanging in the balance and a way of life is hanging in the balance and there is no clock on this. there's no telling when this is going to end. >> don't forget our big special, two hours, all the participants you see here and many, many others are going to be with us on monday night. ryan seacrest will be back, kind of co-hosting as well. accused killer joran van der sloot, can he help had solve the natalee holloway mystery? some sensational developments in that case, next. pain is keeping him up. with advil® pm she's spending less time awake with aches and pains and more time asleep®. advil® pm. the better night's sleep.
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>> larry: we are back. the joran van der sloot arrest in peru has generated all kinds of incredible news.
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here to talk about it is jean casarez, our correspondent from in session, our sister network, true tv. she is reporting from lima. what's the latest now? >> the latest, it is official, joran van der sloot goes before a jim next monday. as for the first time a defendant in a murder case. and what's going to be happening is that under peruvian law, he has to make a formal statement to a judge, so it will be one on one, the judge and him. normally, larry, be done right behind me it is the palace of justice this very beautiful building with all of the courts here in lima but in this case it is so high profile with such high security concerns, the judge is going to go to castro cast rocker the high-secure wit prison where joran van der sloot is. >> larry: speaking at that prison, there's a report, jean, that he fears for his life if he stays in peru. is he under special security, by the way? >> he is under very special security. he is in a protective custody
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unit there are ten cells, two of them are occupied, one by him, one by an alleged colombian hitman. but it is amazing the freedoms he has, larry. he is able to go to a living room area and watch television, there is a weight room in there, where there's coca-cola bought wells they put sand in with broom stick and do weight training exercise and the food he is getting, larry, is the food the officials at the prison eat, because they are concerned people will try to poinz his food. a lot of special concerns protect him. >> larry: we are going to show you in a little while what the prison like there. what's the latest on his legal team and his family? who's visited him? >> that is the question with. the attorney that has been representing him, we have spoken with him several times in legal marks he has told us that he wants off the case, that he has had threats to his life. that he is hiding out in lima.
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>> larry: he is going to plead guilty, is he going to go on trial of any kind? >> it's interesting, larry, if he pleads guilty, all right, and he has already confessed allegedly, according to police if he pleads guilty it will be a shorter proceeding, maybe six months. yes it will still go to trial but the trial will be shorter because he has confessed. but under aruban laws, american law, the confession has to be corroborated. you can confess all day, but if your story doesn't add up with the evidence, they wouldn't accept that confession and you will have to go further into trial. >> larry: now, if he wants to give information about natalee holloway in exchange for whatever, can aruba take part in this? >> well, yes. now, peruvian officials aren't commenting but aruba submitted an official press release today
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saying that the peruvian government has told them that they will help facilitate, that's the word used, a meeting between aruban prosecutors and police for them to come here and they can go interrogate joran van der sloot. but peruvian judge, peruvian officials, they are not saying a word about that >> larry: but in view of the murder, they are not going to extradite him to aruba, are they? >> no. no. this is a peruvian murder case, a 21-year-old university wiof la business student was terribly murder. lima backs stephany flores, this prosecution will continue there. >> larry: jean cass ceres, a top reporter, with in session, our sister network, true tv. when can he come back, we will meet a man who knows firsthand the hell that awaiting anyone sentenced to a peruvian prison. we are going to give you a rare look inside. don't go away. it's new beneful incredibites. uh-huh! it's just the way you like it--
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>> larry: welcome back.
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michael griffith is an international criminal defense attorney. he is joining us from new york. he has been to the prison in pe peru, where he believes joran van der sloot -- van der sloot could end up. it has been one of those days. he has been in more than two dozen prisons in foreign countries and says it is the worst he has ever seen. he represented billy hayes, remember the famous "midnight expre express" case? he said left uragancho makes the turkish prison hayes lived in looks like a resort it is profiled in national gee graphic's world's toughest prisons which airs on that channel next wednesday night. watch. >> luragancho is one of south america's toughest prisons. conditions are appalling. built for 3600, it now houses nearly 10,000. >> in peru, officially, we
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assume that criminals had a second chance and they have to be rehabilitated. but the reality, it is not normally like that, because we don't have enough phones, we don't have enough money and budget. >> with mass overcrowding, lurigancho massive cell block blocs can easily explode into civil war with n 1986, in just one day, 124 prisoners died. with only 100 guards to police 10,000 criminals, the security is turned over to the inmates. >> larry: peru is a civilized country, how do they put up with it? >> they are one of the poorest countries in south america and they don't give too much money for the prison system, larry are. >> larry: is that the only prison in lima?
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>> no, there's another prison called miguel castro castro, where the prisoners brought a lawsuit against the international -- in the american court where peru was found guilty, where 600 prisoners were abused, 135 women were humiliated and stripped and some of them were killed. their bodies were never returned. and to tell you how bad this prison was it got a new warden there not long ago and the first day on the job, the warden was murdered. >> is that definitely where joran would go? >> jurorson there now but i suspect after he is sentenced, he is going to go to lurigancho. i must be the prison maven, i have been in prisons in over two dozen countries. this is, by far, the worst it centering, larry, the gates of hell. if you want me to give you a thumbnail -- housing 600
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prisoners each on three floors. when i visited my client, who was a cocaine pilot on a plane, they caught him, he was in a room 25 by 15 with 35 prisoners. seven had to sleep on the floor. the toilet was a hole in the floor. the sink, was just a concrete slab with a hole. if you want to survive there you have to have food brought in from the outside, so he is going to have to make friends with someone and pay for food to be brought in. if you want to try to eat the prison food, they have got these giant vats the size of hot tubs where hoses come out of the ground where there's ex-treatment and insect he is around the hoses. you cannot eat the prison food. when i went to visit my client with, i went through a territory of what's called the shaping
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path guerrillas who tried to take over the country a number of years ago. i had to hire two guards to take me through this territory. when i went back the next day, i certainly didn't want to go back again, 'cause i got there a little late to get become to the main gate and the guards said that the gates were closed for the night and that i had to stay in. so i gave him a couple of cigarettes and i got out. but the following day, i asked to see my client in the visiting area and ten feet away from me, one prisoner stabbed another. -- >> michael griffiths is with us. hold on, michael. let's see more of this peruvian prison from national geographic's world's toughest prisons. >> even inside a cell block, prisoner safety isn't guaranteed. all of the blocks are in competition. >> yeah, each is like a pirate ship, try to take care of their boat, you know what i mean? >> each is run as a business, selling drugs and prostitution
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to make money. three times a week, visitors are allowed. this is when many visitors get their money and trucks are smuggled into the jail. >> larry: have they -- michael, this is incomprehensible, incomprehensible, even for joran van der sloot and everything that he did is incomprehensible for a human, or an animal. larry, they have got -- he is going to be put in the tourist section. they have got 600 prisoners in the dormitory where there are 12 showers for 600 prisoners mupri showers when i was there work once a week for 15 minutes. you can get drugs, guns, knives, anything you want in that prison. i will tell you a quick story. >>. >> larry: quick. >> a canadian woman whose husband killed a brother and he was the head of a gang and he was sentenced to 25 years. after a year in prison, the
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guards brought him home to the wife's house one night yes went with inside, made love with his wife and then left and was taken back to the prison. money can get you anything there. >> larry: michael, thanks so much. we will call own again. michael griffith, international criminal defense attorney. the family of the woman police say was murdered by juror joran van der sloot is next. oun! [ male announcer ] when stress gives you heartburn with headache... alka-seltzer gives you relief fast. [ low male ] plop, plop. [ high male ] fizz, fizz. compare a well equipped lexus es, to a well-equipped buick lacrosse. get inside each. and see what you find. if perfection is what you pursue, this just might change your course. meet the new class of world class. the twenty-ten lacrosse, from buick.
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joining us from lima is enrique flores, the brother of late stephany flores murdered last month, joran van der sloot is arrested in that case. and they join us from lima enrique, how have you been coping, dealing with this tragedy? >> well, this is still hard for me and for all the family.
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the pain that we are feeling will never go away. we just hope that the process that they are taking here in lima is be as quickly as it can. very, very hard to -- >> larry: carolina, well did you know your sister-in-law? >> i know her since she was 9 years old, she was a little girl. and i know the family 12 years ago, 'cause we were girlfriend and boyfriend since that time. so we were very close. >> larry: what are your feelings, enrique, toward joran van der sloot? what can you think about him? >> i really don't have a feeling
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for him had or something. i just want justice to be made i know that he -- my sister was very -- he hit her and she wasn't all her body, her face and everything was -- you comment even recognize her. it is hard. i just hope justice is made here in peru. >> larry: have you heard anything from the police about a motive? does anyone know why the accused may have done this? >> the thing is he keeps telling so many lies and each time he is
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changing his version for us, as a family,'s killer. i know he roughed her, he took money from her. he took his car -- her car. to think he have a motive -- he is like a serial killer, so i don't have much to say about that. it's -- he is just a killer. you don't have feelingings. he has killed people. >> larry: carolina, do you worry that he might get special attention? >> i am not worried. i trust the justice in peru. so we are just waiting for the
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judgment, the judgment. we are praying for this case and that will for us and that will for natalee's family, too. >> larry: yeah enrique, do you think he might try to make some sort of deal, giving information about natalee holloway in return for some leap yency in peru? >> he is going to try to do everything that is in his head. i know that there are a lot of evidence that they are finding every day. i mean, they have to talk with the owners of the hotel, the people that work in the hotel. my sister was dead in there four days, four days. and there are a lot of things that they have to keep looking.
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my sister won like $10,000 in the casino the day before and she had it with her. there's so many things -- this process is going to take a long time. and he tried to reach the best lawyers in peru and no one take his case. so i know he is trying to do everything that is in his head. so this is going to take a while. it is going to be a difficult case here in peru. >> larry: enrique, have you heard from the holloway family at all? >> yeah, i talk with her mother, natalee's mother, beth and also with dave. >> larry: what do they say? >> well, they -- they keep looking, everything that's happened here in peru much and we hope some times he can say where natalee's body.
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it is very hard dish think the pain they are feeling, it's very hard, because we have a pain that you can describe it, but we know -- we saw the body of our sister. they don't have the body of their daughter. so it's -- >> that's worse. >> that's worse. and she is -- yeah, that's even worse. >> larry: no closure. >> it is very difficult. >> larry: thank you both. we will keep in touch. best of luck to you. enrique flores and carolina flores, the brother and system of the late stephany flores. jennifer lopez is here. she is going to tell us about her daughter's health scare and how it led to a much larger crusade. she and her sister, linda, are next. ready brew. she shared it with i heart chihuahuas and i heart labs. she even shared it with i heart cats. premium starbucks via ready brew. now available wherever you buy groceries. ♪ look in the glove box.
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>> ahead on "3600" faceoff at the white house today, bp meeting with the president.
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they agree to put $20 billion into an escrow account to cover the claims of those affected by the spill. the devil is in the details. is it a good deal for the american people? we are keeping them honest. local officials upset their imp prop profrn to you efforts to vacuum up the oil put on hold by the coast guard. romptu effo the oil put on hold by the coast guard. we welcome the founders of the marivelle foundation, jennifer lopez, actress, singer, producer, entrepreneur and if i have to tell you who she is, you have a major problem and her sister, linda lopez, the emmy-wing journalist and jennifer's younger sister. they join us from the fame cipriani wall street in new york city. let's get right to it jennifer. what -- what is the mariveb bchb e foundation? >> it is a foundation linda and
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i have talked about forming for years and when we both got pregnant, we decided it was something we wanted to really just do now. obviously, when you become a mom, your perspective and your whole kind of view on life changes. and it did for us and we always wanted to form a foundation that helped women with and children and education in health care and tonight, we are here, like you said, at ciprianis, doing a big samsung fund-raiser as part of helping our telemedicine program with samsung. >> larry: lynda, why maribel? >> it has special meaning for us. maribel is mark's sister, was mark's sister who passed away she was 9 years old of a brain tumor and mark was 8 when she was 9 years old and when jennifer and i were pregnant at the same time, she said we thought a lot about the kind of care that mothers want to be
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able to give their children, the kind of health karntd level and qual wit of care that you want to have available when it's your baby and we wanted that for every single mother everywhere in the world. and maribel was a real inspiration for us thinking that and thinking we wanted to do more from there for children. >> larry: which every mother wants to do. so, jennifer what is the foundation's missions? >> the foundation's -- i mean, we have a lot of missions, but right now, what we are focused on with the children -- along with the children's hospital of los angeles is called the telemedicine program. what that is, it has a very, very big dream, larry, which is to bring the best, most advanced health care to every child in the world, on the planet. and through this -- through this technology. what this is it allows specialists from anywhere in the world, so long as they have the it technology in the clinic setup, go to remote areas of the world, they have one of these machines, they can talk to
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specialists anywhere in the lik know what this is or what this child has, they can call the children's hospital and hook up through the telemedicine program and then they can read the charts and they can look at x-rays and they can examine the child and do so many things where they can actually help save a child who wouldn't normally have that type of health care. so, that's what the telemedicine program is. and children's hospital of los angeles has been developing it and talking about it. and when we came to them with the maribel foundation, we said we -- i've been involved with the children's hospital of los angeles for many years. >> i know. >> and helped them raise money and all this kind of stuff. we decided to do our own foundation, we went to them for years, what can we do? what could really make a difference in this world for health care for children, for moms, for everybody? and they were like, well, there's this thing called the telemedicine program we're really excited about and we really need help with to get off the ground. that's what we've been doing and we've been doing it one step at a time. one step at a time. it's a big idea and it's a lot
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to get the clinics out there. we're going to have to raise a lot of money and we're going to have to have great partners like samsung help us. >> larry: i want to ask about that. >> you know, larry -- >> larry: this interview was tape taped tuesday afternoon, but because of the president's address, we're playing it wednesday night. the gala happened last night. the four seasons of hope, give me the background, lynda, of you and samsung getting together on this. >> you know, they actually found out about what we were doing and were excited to help. as jennifer said, it's a very specific kind of technology and very specific kind of equipment. we want doctors at children's nopt los angeles to be able to have video conferencing and some kind of technological hookup to places like puerto rico where we're setting up the telemedicine program, pan marks other countries we're going to move into. we need to get all of that equipment to any site that we need to set up so that children can have that care in that row
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moat locati remote location. they were very excited, as we were about the possibilities of telemedicine and technology to spread health care. children's hospital of los angeles is one of the top in the country. they have the top pediatric oncologists and hematologists, some of the top pediatricians. that is the level of care that will be available now in puerto rico or if we move into panama city or anywhere we go, those doctors will dial up, they'll see charts. they'll see different cases of children that they can confer on and examine and diagnose and treat immediately. >> and, again, the idea is to bring that not just to one or two places but to every place and make this system a general primary which, of course, is a few years off. we're going to be working on it. we're getting there. >> children's hospital of los angeles is one of the sister hospitals of the larry king cardiac foundation, which your husband, jennifer, marc anthony, is a major supporter of.
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we hope to get you involved, too. we help a lot of people, a lot of kids with cardiac problems. >> absolutely. >> larry: we'll be back with more moments with jennifer lopez and lynda lopez right after this. i switched to a complete tomultivitamin with more.50, only one a day women's 50+ advantage has gingko for memory and concentration plus support for bone and breast health. a great addition to my routine. [ female announcer ] one a day women's. host: could switching to geico 15% or more on car insurance? host: does elmer fudd have trouble with the letter r?
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>> larry: we're back with jennifer lopez and lynda lopez. is your mom living, jennifer? >> yes. yes. she is very alive. >> very full of life. >> watching right now, in fact. >> larry: what kind of, lynda, mother was she growing up in relation to all you're doing for mothers now, how were you raise ed? >> you know what? my mom is a mom that's full of joy. she was always singing. she was always dancing. she was always keeping the happiness level up in our house. it was very energetic. >> she was the most fun, amazing person, you know, who taught us -- when i said alive, that's the first thing that comes to my mind. she's the most alive person i know. she's just amazingly inspiring in that way.
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she's always lived her life that way and taught us to live that way as well. >> an incredibly generous person, too. she never taught us to be generous. i can literally think back to times i saw her doing and giving to people but she never made a big deal out of. >> do you have a website, jennifer, on the maribel foundation where people can get more information? >> we do. >> go ahead. >> it's maribel foundation.org, one r and one l, if that helps. >> larry: we mourn his
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untimely passing. our deepest sympathies go out to his family, including his brothers, jamie, evan and patrick and his mom, ava. our thoughts are with his many friends. brian kelly will be much missed by everyone who had a chance to

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