you're even cute when you spit up. okay. good job. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> my name is lady gaga. and this is my house. >> larry: tonight, the one, the only, lady gaga. international superstar, style icon. self-proclaimed freak. ♪ i want to kiss you >> larry: lady gaga gives us a backstage pass into her unique world. next on this special 25th anniversary edition of "larry king live."

♪ can't read mine, can't read mine, no can't read my poker face ♪ >> larry: on this, our 25th anniversary week here at cnn, we're so excited to welcome lady gaga to "larry king live." she is the grammy-winning singer, songwriter, musician, performance artist whose provocative music videos have been fewed more than 1 billion times online. and later in the show, we're going to give you a sneak peek of her latest video "alejandro." she just received five world music awards in may and is one of the top winners at the 2010 brit awards. lady gaga has sold more than 15 million albums and 40 million singles worldwide. and "time" magazine recently published this annual list of

the 100 most influential people in the world. lady gaga was on the cover as one of those people. were you surprised at that? >> yes, of course. i was so surprised. i didn't even imagine that i would make the list at all. and i was so excited, and i am very blessed to have the wonderful fans that i do who voted for me. should i call you larry or should i call you king larry? >> larry: well, king larry would be a great honor, but let's do larry, and i'll do gaga. >> okay. >> larry: okay. you were born stefani -- how did you come up with lady gaga? >> well, it was actually a nickname that some of my friends called me in new york. i was doing these performance art pop music pieces in the city. and they were a bit on the eccentric side, i suppose.

so people started to call me gaga after the queen song "radio gaga." >> larry: at what age growing up, gaga, did you know that you wanted to be a performer? >> in the womb, larry. in my mother's warm womb. >> larry: at your birth. >> yes, at my birth. i guess you could say it's always been my destiny to be a performer. i used to perform even just in restaurants with my family or in the living room. but it's been really a very exciting transition now that i get to do this for a living. and i just refuse to stop. i probably should take a break and go on vacation. but i'd rather die onstage, not under a palm tree. >> larry: before you were a performer, did you have any other jobs? >> yeah. well, i was a waitress for many years.

and a bartender. and i was a go-go dancer briefly as well. i used to make a lot of money to pay for demos and flyers that i used to post up all around the nyu area on the lower east side to get people to come see my shows. i got a job when i was 15 because my allowance was about $20 a week. which in new york was impossible. so i used to waitress across the street from where i grew up. and i used to take all the money i made waitressing so that i could go watch jazz downtown. >> larry: you said that people use the word icon carelessly. do you consider yourself an icon? >> no, i do not. i hope when i'm dead i'll be considered an icon, though. >> larry: who are your icons? who does lady gaga look up to? >> who do i look up to?

my mother. my grandmother. i love princess diana. so much. she was an enormous influence on me when i was younger, because my mother worshipped her so much. her story, how she began, what she married into, how her society affected her as a woman, i was always very fascinated with princess diana. when she died, it was -- i'll never forget. my mother was crying, sitting on the couch watching the news, and i was very young. and it was this very powerful moment in my childhood watching my mother so connected to someone. so i guess you could say she is one of my biggest icons. as well as, you know, david bowie, wonderful.

>> larry: did the family encourage you to sing and dance and perform? >> yes. my mother was actually in musical theater when she was younger, and my dad was in a bruce springsteen cover band for many years. he was a real jersey shore boy. and they were always very supportive. they always -- you know, i think more than anything in my house growing up, my parents instilled a very strong work ethic in me and my sisters. so as long as i worked hard at whatever it is i wanted to do, they were okay with me doing it. but if i was ever lazy, i would -- i would reckon that they would perhaps not want me to do it. >> larry: there has been a lot of stories and stories so often wrong about your health. how are you? >> i'm okay, thank you, larry. how are you? >> larry: i'm okay. i mean, you look great.

there was a story about lupus or something? do you have lupus? >> you know, lupus is in my family, and it is genetic. it's funny because my mother told me the other day that my fans were quite worried about me because they did talk about the fact that i was tested for lupus. and the truth is i don't show any signs, any symptoms of lupus. but i have tested borderline positive for the disease. so as of right now i do not have it. but i have to take good care of myself. >> larry: sure, you have to be very precautionary. death, though, is a theme in a number of your performances. you're only 24. you have been eaten by a giant angler fish onstage, crushed by a falling chandelier during a 2009 mtv music show. do you think about dying? >> yes, i do. >> larry: at age 24?

>> it's something i -- well, i dream about it a lot. i don't know. i suppose i could lie to you and not tell you the truth, but the truth is i do think about it. the angler fish in the show was actually my childhood monster. my big fear was of the angler fish. so it was kind of comical to use it in the show that i battle my childhood fear every night before the finale. but -- i don't know. i actually am good friends with deepak chopra who i speak a lot about to about my dreams. and he seems to think it's nothing to really worry about. he tells me i'm very creative and i should learn to embrace my insanity and not worry so much because i always call him and saying deepak, i had this most horrible, morbid dream. what does it all mean? he says you're just very creative. put it onstage. >> deepak is on this program a lot. he never worries about anything.

he doesn't. >> he is a wonderful -- he is a wonderful person. i wish i could be more like that. but, you know, i think part of my fascination with it, as well as why it is in this show is that the show is a celebration of shame. the show is a rejection of insecurity. the monster ball is in essence an exorcism for my fans and for myself where we sort of put everything out on the table and reject it. there is so much in the show about insecurity and struggle. and so many of my fans are really, really, really troubled. and i was really troubled. and i still am fairly troubled. so i guess you can say i relate to my fans in that way. and i choose not to hide from it. i'm not interested, larry, in being a perfect placid pop singer that looks great in

bikinis and is on the cover of every magazine. i'm more interted in helping my fans to love who they are and helping them to reject prejudice and reject those things that they're taught from society to not like themselves. >> larry: well said. >> like they're not wanted. >> larry: much more with lady gaga ahead, including an exclusive sneak peek. you're going to see this for the first time of her new musical video for "alejandro." you will not want to miss this. we'll be right back.

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♪ caught on the dance floor ♪ stop calling, stop calling, i don't want to talk anymore ♪ >> larry: we're back with lady gaga. it's our 25th anniversary week. we're honored to have her be one of our featured guests. bill gates will be with us tomorrow night. and lebron james friday night. we're very diversified. we have a question for you, gaga. it's on our facebook page. is it true michael jackson wanted to perform with you on his "this is it" comeback tour? >> you know, it's always very difficult, because i don't necessarily like to talk about those very personal things that happened. i guess i can speak about it now. i was actually asked to open for michael on his tour.

and we were going to open for him at the o2, and we were working on making it happen. >> larry: wow. >> and i suppose i believe there was some talk about lots of the openers doing duets with michael on stage. but michael's death was devastating for me regardless of whether or not i was supposed to go on tour with him. he's such an inspiration and remarkable human being. i guess i suppose, larry, some of my fascination with death and the demise of the celebrity goes along with me watching these hugely iconic and amazing people that i have heralded and admired my whole life become destroyed. whether self-destroyed or destroyed by the media. >> larry: how did you come up

the -- with the idea of the incredible idea of these costumes? of not just singing and dancing, but the way you present yourself, how did that come about? >> well, some of the things i wear are obviously created for me by designers or they're recreations of archives of things worn in the '70s and in the '80s. but lots of the newer more original pieces, they're meant to be kind of a rejection of what people view about women. i guess i'm a feminist. i am a feminist. and i want to change the way people view women and change -- i guess it's not quite sure what she definitely means by her work, but marina abramovic, the performance artist, she seems to be quite limitless and seems to say she or we create our own limits.

so i guess i'm trying to push the limits, push the boundaries as much as i can. and i also really love the way i dress. it brings me a personal joy and satisfaction in my own life that i like to share with my fans. i also try to create things that are quite easy for my fans to replicate. some of them not so much. but some of them are very easy for my fans to replicate, and that bonds us in a way. it's quite nice to have this connection to them outside of everything else. yes? >> larry: is there any boundary you won't cross? >> i suppose -- well, you'll have to wait, larry. i'm not sure. i'm not interested in violence. yes, i don't like violence. i hate violence. i don't like negativity. i don't like prejudice. i don't believe in hatred in music. so there are some things, i suppose. >> larry: well said. you said that your 2008 single "just dance," that single, saved your life.

that was a quote from "the sunday observer." how? >> well, of course people love to take sound bites from nice interviews that i give. but it saved my life in a -- i guess in just a transitional way, in terms of where i was in my music and i had moved from los angeles and i'd been dropped from record labels a few times and had been through so many obstacles and told no, rejected, you're not thin enough, pretty enough, thin enough. you can't write a song good enough. you're a freak, the weird girl from new york. it was rejection after rejection. and i wrote this song "just dance." and it was my eureka moment. it was the thing that everyone was able to latch on to, the record label, the gay community who has been the most enormous blessing of my life that i have them and their support and the way that they truly understand me and support me.

and in fact the "alejandro" video, which will premier very soon, but you'll see a snippet of it tonight, is a celebration of my love and appreciation for the gay community. my admiration of their bravery and their love for one another, their courage in their relationships. it's something i have yet to nail on the head with a man, larry. >> larry: she has a special relationship with her fans. we'll talk about that and a lot of other things when we come back.

♪ ♪ oh, caught in a bad romance ♪ oh, caught in a bad romance ♪ ra, ra, roma, roma, gaga, ooh la la, watch out the romance ♪ >> larry: we're back with the

fantastic lady gaga on this our 25th anniversary week. we'll be joined thursday night by the president of the united states, barack obama. you said, lady gaga, that you don't touch cocaine anymore. was it hard to stop doing it? >> no, it wasn't. by the time that i had stopped doing it, it was ruining my life. so no, i kind of just threw it away, i guess. >> larry: british tabloids say that you recently -- i want to get this right -- you walked into a local pub in birmingham, you had a few drinks and picked up everybody's tab when you left. true? >> yes. what's wrong with buying a few friends a beer. >> larry: all right. you're in the midst now of a massive world tour. in fact, you're coming to us from the o2 arena in london

where you'll be performing. what is that pressure like, to go on that kind of tour? >> it's a wonderful pressure. it's the most amazing pressure. it's not like any other kind of pressure. it's not under pressure, it's not water pressure. it's not pressure cooker. it's just wonderful. it's miraculous. i'm so blessed. i look out into the audience and i scream and cry, and we sing and we cheer and we dance. and i can't believe that 17,000 people singing my lyrics or that even know my name. and i'm so -- i'm so grateful, larry. i can't say enough about my little monsters, my beautiful fans. they inspire me so much. i've been writing my new album on the road every day. it's been a wonderful experience.

of course, i always want to be better, but not a bad pressure. a good, wonderful pressure. >> larry: how do you come up with the little monsters idea? what does that mean? >> well, i wrote the album "the fame monster" which is the second album. and when i had finished, i realized that i had written each song about a particular fear that i had come across on my journey promoting the fame. and then when i went on tour, my fans were so -- they were salivating at the mouth and they couldn't -- they were rabid. they couldn't wait for me to sing my new songs, and they just behaved like monsters in the audience. so a couple of nights i just said, you little monsters. and i had used the lyric on the album as well, little monsters. so i just started calling them my little monsters. and then before i knew it, they were all holding their hands up like this in the audience, and

this became the symbol for the little monster. and now they stand in the audience every night and they dance and they hold up their monster hands. >> larry: she is a musical phenomena. she is a social phenomena. she is lady gaga. it's our 25th anniversary week. bill gates tomorrow. everybody is waiting to see what lady gaga's video for "alejandro" will look like. well, the wait is over. an exclusive sneak peek of that video that everyone is asking about is ahead.

♪ ♪ i'm your biggest fan, i'll follow you until you love me, papa-paparazzi ♪ ♪ let's go, dance, just dance ♪ can't read my, can't read my poker face ♪ ♪ watch out for romance ♪ oh caught in a bad romance ♪ i want your loving, all your lover's revenge, you and me could write a bad romance ♪ >> larry: we have a tweeter question for lady gaga twitted to us.

if you weren't in show business, what do you think you would be doing? >> i would be dead. >> larry: simply put, you wouldn't be here? >> no, i am show business. so much of what i do is hinged on show business. i believe so much in it. people ask me what do you dress like when you're alone, or do you ever just wear sweat pants or whatever they say. and i'm thinking the concept of show business is lost. michael jackson when he was being wheeled out of the ambulance when he was burned, he held his glitter glove up high above his head to wave to his fans because he was show business. >> larry: you have become a champion of what you call all the freaks. now, explain -- is everybody a freak, or are you appealing to freaks, or are there millions of

freaks? explain it. >> well, i have -- since my childhood in school and for a very long time, i used to always feel like such a freak. i didn't have very many friends in school. i had a few close friends. and i wasn't a popular girl and got made fun of every day. couldn't really relate to anyone, and didn't want to dress like anyone else. and liked different things. and i related to men more than i related to women. and i felt like a freak, and i had nowhere to go. and i guess through the music and the performance pieces we've done, the clothing that i've worn, and as the fan base has begun to grow, i've sort of watched this massive group of misfits join together to liberate themselves. they love the music and they

love what the house of gaga's creating, because it has a sense of individuality, a sense of freedom, a sense of nonconformity. and i celebrate that. at the show i say all the freaks are outside and i locked the doors. it's kind of the opposite of what you're saying, larry. we believe that we aren't the freaks. it's everyone else is the freaks. >> larry: your videos are hugely popular on the internet. they've also been remade by other people, like u.s. soldiers in afghanistan, or the 12-year-old grayson chance performing "paparazzi." do you like all these imitators? >> yes, of course. but it's actually very interesting that you brought up the soldiers in afghanistan, because i specifically didn't post that one when i saw it. i wanted to post that one on my twitter, but i got nervous about posting it on my twitter because

i was not sure how it would be received by -- >> larry: who? >> the other soldiers or the other, you know, members of the army or the administration. so i didn't post it. and then it's quite interesting that all of these -- this "don't ask, don't tell" is happening now that it's happening, because in the alejand"alejandro" videos this sort of homo-erotic military theme in the video. and it kind of makes perfect sense, doesn't it? it all kind of comes together culturally and politically. and it's no secret that i don't think that anyone should have to hide who they are, let alone be discriminated against to serve this country. we can all fight equally. >> larry: sure. >> i bring that up specifically

because it made me sad that i saw that video and i thought it was so great and i was so excited that over in afghanistan they're fighting every day for us, and they're protecting us and doing so much, and they were just having a little downtime, and i had to think twice before i posted it because i didn't want anything bad to happen. >> larry: she has been compared to another groundbreaking female artist known for visuals, music, and stage shows like madonna, of course. what does lady gaga think about those comparisons? and that video is coming. ccccccc

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choose, don't call my name ♪ ♪ hall ehan dro >> larry: we of course have gotten tons of tweets, lady gaga about the soon to be released video of your song "alejandro." when will it be released? >> it will be released in just a few days. and i wanted to make sure that my fans had something nice and foreshadowing tonight to watch on larry king. >> larry: okay, you've got it. the moment the world has been waiting for. a sneak peek of lady gaga's current single released in a couple of days, "alejandro." watch. ♪ alejandro ♪ ale ale alejandro

>> larry: we mention madonna earlier. and many articles about you refer to madonna comparisons, parallels. what do you make of all that? what do you think of her? >> oh, i think madonna is great. she's been a wonderful friend, and very kind and supportive, and amazing. and she -- she's such an incredible woman. you know, i get compared to so many people. and we all get compared to each other, whether we're blond, brunette, black, white, straight, gay. but on another level, it's kind of funny, because my mother actually looks very much like madonna. and the older i've gotten, i look more and more likely mother. sometimes i just want to say it's not my fault that i look like her. >> larry: did you have fun doing that skit with her on "saturday night live"? >> i did. she's great.

we had a blast. we were laughing. we're both quite attentive about rehearsals, so we were driving everybody crazy rehearsing over and over and over again. "snl" wanted us to go get ready for the show and we kept going. but she's so great. of course, there are no bad comparisons to madonna. she is wonderful. and there can never be another. so i have to think of even more ways to annoy and shock everyone, because she has done everything. >> larry: there will never be another you either. let's go to some other areas. you were raised catholic. you were raised as a catholic. what are your feelings towards the church, and religion in general? >> well, i struggle. i struggle with my feelings about the church in particular. but i guess it's quite honestly completely strat, isn't it, religion and the church are completely separate things. but in terms of religion, i'm very religious.

i was raised catholic. i believe in jesus. i believe in god. i'm very spiritual. i pray very much. but at the same time, there is no one religion that doesn't hate or speak against or be prejudiced against another racial group or religious group. or sexual group. and for that i think religion is also bogus. so i suppose you could say i'm a quite religious woman who is very confused about religion. and i dream of and envision a future where we have a more peaceful religion or a more peaceful world, a more peaceful state of mind for the younger generation. that's what i dream for. >> larry: do you believe you'll go somewhere when you pass on? >> do i believe in heaven? >> larry: yeah. >> or hell? i believe i'll go to heaven, but i suppose i could go either way, couldn't i? >> larry: you mentioned earlier about this appeal to the gays.

you're an outspoken advocate of gay rights. why do you think there is such an appeal between you and the gay community? you for them, they for you. why? >> well, i can speak for myself in that my admiration for the gay community comes from an incredibly steadfast and joyful courage and bravery that they have for one another, for their community. to be gay and to live openly in this society is something that requires a tremendous amount of strength and steadfastness. and i admire that, and i envy it in so many ways because it's something that i as a woman do not always wholeheartedly possess. and i think that my connection to them has also been just symbiotic and mutual.

they know how much i love them. and my music in so many ways, my friends since i was very young, they were all gay. and they were always my closest friends, my purest friendships. gay men never wanted anything from me. but my love and my friendship. it's very different than your relationships with straight men. so i suppose it's just very pure. and i celebrate their culture and their union and who they are through and through in my music and in my fashion and in my work every day. and i will forever. >> larry: we have a few segments left with her. we wish we had hours. more with lady gaga. more on her thoughts on "don't ask, don't tell," next. don't take the trip. or even buy the camper... without blueprint from chase. create a plan to pay off large purchases... and save money on interest. does your credit card have blueprint? design your plan at 866 blueprint. of all luxury vehicles.

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♪ what did you say, you're breaking up on me ♪ ♪ sorry i cannot hear you, i'm kind of busy ♪ ♪ kind of busy, kind of busy >> larry: it's our 25th anniversary week. tomorrow night bill gates. the president of the united states thursday, and a major surprise friday night. lady gaga is our big surprise tonight. what an honor to have her. what about "don't ask, don't tell"? do you think they're going to change it? >> i hope so. you know, there are so many things, if it's "don't ask, don't tell," and recently i know they're working on repealing the -- the restrictions on blood donors from the guy community. it's just there are so many archaic things floating around in the government right now that are so misinformed and so wrong.

it's very confusing. it's very confusing for young people, especially, you know, 14-year-olds in high school who are getting sent home because they have t-shirts that say "gay" on it. and as if gay is a curse word or somehow inappropriate. i just think that in terms of education, sexual education, political education, and social education in schools, i think it's important to be specific about civil rights and a person's worth. no person is worth any less than another human being based on their sexual orientation. or religion. >> larry: you said that your song "poker face" from "the fame" is about your own bisexuality. how do you deal with that? how do you deal -- are you with men more or women more? do you want to be married? what are your thoughts? >> i deal with it just fine.

well, i'm looking for love just like everyone else, larry. but right now love is in the form of my fans. love comes in many different forms. right now i'm -- i'm passionately only serving them. >> larry: do you want to have children? >> yes, some day. although, my womb is not yet beckoning for a child. i'm very far away from that day. i'm also terrified it will ruin my creativity. >> larry: forget it, it will not. we'll be back in a minute, as we sl br celebrate our 25th anniversary here on larry king. we've counted all the votes. and the moment you picked as number four is one of our favorites, a rare interview. he had a lot in common with our

guest, the legendary marlon brando. they did things their own way. and it ended with, of all things, a kiss. watch. >> larry: our guest is marlon brando. we've got a full hour to go. this is "larry king live." don't go away. brando does not do interviews. i get a call, and the voice says, larry king, this is marlon. and i actually said marlon who? >> oh, my god. >> i wanted to run from office. >> larry: let me get a break. there's lots of other things to talk about. >> it doesn't matter what you say. >> larry: we'll be right back. don't go away. he was very open. he had food for the whole crew. he served champagne -- he served it. he was a genuine good guy. >> i could have been a contender. i could have been somebody.

>> larry: you chose it as a profession. >> because there isn't anything that pays you as much money as acting. while you are deciding what the hell you're going to do with yourself. >> larry: you said if someone would just pull up to this door twice a year and leave $5 million, i'll never act again? ♪ got a date with an angel ♪ going to be there at 7:00 ♪ go a date with an angel ♪ and i'm on my way to heaven >> larry: i've never been kissed by a man in my life, until brando. and i've got to tell you the truth, i can't stop thinking about it. going to make him an offer he can't refuse. good-bye. >> good-bye. >> larry: i had no idea he was going to do that. that was brando. impetuous. that's what made him the greatest screen actor of our

time. how much do you know about "larry king live"? test your knowledge by taking the "larry king live" edition of the cnn challenge. just go to cnn.com and scroll down to the cnn challenge box. lots of people have been asking us what lady gaga's next album will be like. in our last segment we'll find out next.

♪ why are you suspicious ♪ you've left me speechless ♪ will you ever talk again ♪ so speechless

♪ you've left me speechless ♪ some men may follow me ♪ but you choose death and company ♪ >> larry: we're back with lady gaga. we decided since you wore so much in honor of us, we'll wear something in honor of you. >> oh, larry. you are so shady. shady king. >> larry: you are so adorable. all right. you've got a number of facebook -- we've got a number of facebook posted along the way. ask lady gaga about her next album, when is it coming out and what will it be like? >> well, my next album, it will not be coming out this christmas. which i don't know if i was supposed to tell you, but i will tell you anyway, so that my fans

won't crucify me later. i wanted to give it some time because even though it's finished, i really want to give my fan what is they deserve which is for me to promote and travel the world and give the new music to them in the most perfect and accessible way i can and i'm on tour right now which means i would have had to just throw the album up against the wall and let it just seep into the atmosphere, which i don't like to do. i like to do things the old-school way. i want to kiss every deejay and radio director around the world again like i did the first time, so that's the first thing but then the sound is -- i couldn't possibly give anything away because i don't want to reveal anything. but it's -- the album was inspired by my new-found understanding and love for my fans. a new-found love and understanding for what they need, for what they dream about, or what they dream for our generation and for the future. and the album for me is an anthem for the new decade. it's -- has an overarcing message.

>> larry: a couple quick things. do you -- i want to see if i can still see. ah. that was fun. do you -- do you enjoy fame? >> do i enjoy fame? i enjoy my fans. my fans are something i could never trade or even dream of giving up. but there are many things that come with fame that i do not enjoy. you know, at the end of the day, larry, i'd much rather not go to the hollywood party. i'd much rather go to the pub around the corner and buy everyone a drink so -- >> larry: well -- >> so i still do. and i can buy you a drink when i come see you in new york. >> larry: you got it. let's get together soon, okay? >> yes. we will. we will. >> larry: the king and the lady.