with kagan, so far the woman has offered very to opinions. i thought to myself, my god hour, do you find a woman like that? that's it for us. and "larry king live" starts right now. >> larry: tonight they're willing to die to save whales. >> i can't get to to it. >> hold on, hold on, hold on! slow down! >> larry: life and death drama on the high seas. >> they're going down. >> larry: but are they going too far? plus, bob barker on the ship named in his honor. >> he said if i have $5 million, i could do it. and i said, all right, you have $5 million. let's do it. >> larry: why he defends radical

tactics. the cast of "whale wars" next on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. we are talking tonight with people who say they're ready to sacrifice their own lives to save whales. the controversial anti-whaling activities of the sea shepard conservation society are chronicled on the documentary show "whale wars" now in its third season on animal planet. we welcome captain paul watson, founder of sea shepard, a co-founding director of the green peace foundation. captain chuck swift, captain of the bob barker, one of the vessels operated by sea shepard. and, a member of the sea shepard crew of the bob barker. most amped up in your face yet, season for "whale wars," occurs now. it premiered by the way last month.

it is going to be a heck of a year for animal planet, and them and for us to have them with us. how did you get into this? why do you whale save? >> i have been doing this really pretty much all my life. but it really goes back to 1977 when i was on a green peace mission and the soviets had harpooned a whale. it turned to defend its pod. it was harpooned in turn. and as it was struggling in the water in agony dying, i caught its eye, and he dove, i saw a trail of bloody bubbles coming real fast, up and out of the water over a small boat. the next move was going to crush us. as the eye came out of the water and i looked into it i saw thug there that changed my life forever. >> larry: which was? >> understanding he understood what we were frying to do. and i saw the effort he made to pull himself back. i saw his eye disappear beneath the surface. he died. he could have killed us and chose not to do so. >> larry: why do they harpoon whales, chuck? for what? >> well they say they're trying to maintain traditional cultures

their way of life. >> larry: who is they? >> who ever is killing whales, whether the japanese, icelandic people or norway. they say they're trying to maintain their traditional ways of life. in fact it is illegal and commercial operation. >> larry: the three countries that are involved? >> primarily now, yes. >> larry: are there no laws against it there, fiona? >> since 1986 it was actually illegal to kill, commercially kill whales around the world. and, you know some countries justify that they can through a loophole, in the regulation, for scientific purposes. but these days we know that we can take all scientific information by taking a small slab from the whale and from that blubber in the skin you can work out how much mercury is in the system, how much toxins and pretty much most of the information that you need for see if ye science. >> larry: what do you do to save them? what are examples what you do? a ship is coming along going to harpoon a whale, what do you do?

>> best way hit them where it hurts most. economically. we interfere with their operations and cut their quotas. this year, we saved 528 whales. they killed 507. we saved more than they killed. by being there, by being on the stern, chasing them, harassing them, making it impossible for them to do their thing. >> larry: you don't physically harm them? >> we have never physically harmed anybody. we do get in their way. obstruct them. harass them with stink bombs make work difficult for them when weep hit them. >> larry: let's take a look at highlights of this season's "whale wars." >> maybe they're shining the spotlight at us so they can arrange things on deck. it was us alone against the fleet of ships. it's dark out. not knowing where they were or what they were doing or what they planned on doing. it's really scary, a really scary thought. >> it is quite intimidating. running circles around us, it's like sharks. this is what we came done here to do to engage the fleet, piss

them off. there is a certain fear. that's where ships sink in second. >> one right there. where is the other one. >> he's angling in at us. >> holy [ bleep ]. >> he's coming right at us. >> oh, my god. >> just get him in a bit closer. >> what's that thing? what's that thing he's got? >> i don't know. >> he has some sort of gun on him under the tower, can you see him? >> he's got a gun! >> i'm worried that if you hit it on the ground, it's gone. >> whoa. [ bleep ]. >> larry: whoo, how did you get into this, chuck? >> well i worked with a number of organizations before i heard about sea shepard. one of the people that knew me

the best walked up to me one day with a sea shepard brochure and said i think you need how to know about the guys. the more i researched. they're passionate, aggressive, but absolutely nonviolent. and, take all kind of sometimes, you know called radical actions for means of enforcing international conservation laws, kind of an intoxicating mix. how can you not want to be involved? i signed up and have been doing it 20 years. >> larry: how many, fiona, how many sea sheparders are there? >> we went down to antarctica with 77 individuals from 17 different nations. but, look, there is people that have gone on the boats. and there is people who work for us onshore. a volunteer organization. i have been working for a year as a volunteer. >> larry: you make no living from this? >> i don't. i am living in a hostel at the moment in los angeles. that's the beautiful thing about this organization it has a completely different structure than the other big environmental organizations. when people give their money it does go towards the campaigns

and boats, not huge office rents and salaries. >> larry: captain, how did the tv show start, paul? >> we thought when you look at the larger show on discovery which is the deadliest catch. i figured these are people going out in the water, in rough weather to catch crabs, going down in rougher weather, in a remote area to save whales had to be more compelling. sold them on the idea. >> larry: good idea. good sale. back with more right after this. another heart attack could be lurking, waiting to strike. a heart attack that's caused by a clot, one that could be fatal. but plavix helps save lives. plavix, taken with other heart medicines, goes beyond what other heart medicines do alone, to provide greater protection against heart attack or stroke and even death by helping to keep blood platelets from sticking together and forming dangerous clots. ask your doctor if plavix is right for you. protection that helps save lives.

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there are four ships maneuvering around us. >> one more attempt. but we have got to hurry up because the harpoon ships are on our tail. we are a very fragile ship. drop it now. tell hem im to drop it now! >> whoo-hoo! >> larry: joining us is lawrence degrute, after two campaigns aboard the flag ship steve irwin he joined the crew, the ship described by some as a batmobile on water. it was destroyed in a collision with a japanese whaling ship in january. here is a look at some of the drama on "whale wars."

>> it will be our harpoon interceptor vessel, twice as fast as the harpoon vessels. it has a kevlar fiber hull. so the vessel is pretty much bulletproof. >> its mission ties cut the whalers harpoon lines. >> wow. wow. >> he hit it? >> i can't see. >> they hit him. >> get some binoculars. >> do you see people? >> i don't see any people.

>> larry: thank you for joining us. you were on the ship when it went down, what happened? >> well we were drifting at the point that, when we got around, we actually had been going after the boat to slow it down, the bob barker could catch it up. we were running very low on fuel. we were actually about to head back to refuel. and we were drifting, letting the ships pass by. one of the last ships that was passing by and as it was passing by at the end it made a sharp turn to the right. it was too late for us to get out of the way. and it rammed us. >> larry: did that change your feelings about sea shepherd, did it increase them, what did you think? >> no, it made me more determined to go back every year and stop the illegal whaling operations you know there are always risks when you choose to join the sea shepherd scam pain. you are dealing with criminals, illegal poaching. these are ruthless people.

they don't back down even if they need to ram your ship. it showed they're welling to do it. >> larry: captain, what was the impact in the loss of the ship on the sea shepherds efforts? >> loss of a $2 million vessel. what's surprising me, the captain of the ship, has not been questioned by any authority after ramming and destroying our ship. he got away with it. >> larry: you know who he is? >> we know who he is. on videotape. australia did an inquiry, investigation, they said japan refused to cooperate with the investigation the that was the end of it. i don't know any case in maritime history where a person destroyed another ship and walked away without repercussions. >> larry: you know what the name bob barker means, he will be here. what is the ship? >> an individual that put up some funds to purchase 2/3 of the vessel. and so we named it after him for that reason. >> larry: do you think captain swift about taking risks? >> absolutely. any time we get involved with these kind of actions there are

risks. we are all briefed. we all know what is possible down there. our resolve, our passion, determination to shuttle down illegal activities overrides all of that. >> larry: fiona, do you have a specific duty on the ship? >> yes, i was rescue swimmer. put up my hand, not thinking it would be a significant accident. and i was also deck hand. so, you know, painting and sanding and launching the small boats and learned a lot. very different from my normal commercial property job, that is for sure. >> larry: laurens, how did you get involved in all enough snis. >> i was a former crime investigator for the dutch police. after doing that for three years, and before that, working five years on the streets, my specialty became environmental crimes. i got so involved in the atrocities that are happening to the animals around the world. one of the animals are the whales. i thought if we can't protect the species, what can we protect. i decided to give up my job and

join an organization that is doing something out there to protect the whales. >> larry: well, you do this voluntarily, right? >> yes, an international volunteer organization. >> larry: what do you dupe fo f living? >> i am paid. i have been with the organization 30 years. i captain the ship as a volunteer. >> larry: what do you do? >> i am a paid employee, deputy chief executive officer as the organization as well as capta captaining the bob barker. >> larry: you are not paid? >> i am not paid. the survival of such a good environmental organization. because you know we really want the money to go towards international conversation law and enforcing it. >> larry: laurens, are you paid? >> yes, i am. currently working as a european coordinator trying to set up chapters of sea shepherd in europe. >> larry: "whale wars" airs friday on animal planet. how aggressive are the anti-whaling forces willing to get? we'll ask them next. [ female announcer ] lunch at red lobster...

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stand by for a moment. >> as the captain. i need to provide leadership and make the tough decisions. you know that's what i do. >> matt. launch. >> you piece of -- ♪ ♪ >> larry: we're back. the captain is now on trial in japan accused of trespassing, vandalism, possession of a knife, obstruction business and assault. what did he do, captain watson? >> pete bethune boarded the ship to confront the captain who had destroyed his ship. he was taken prisoner back to japan and given all these charges. >> larry: you have expelled him? >> yes, we did. because pete is a character.

he certainly is a bit of a cowboy. there is no arguing with his passion. he did break rules and regulations. it is a good thing that we did, it helps his case in japan. >> larry: will he get a lot of years? >> they are concerned he will go back to antarctica, one of the reasons they don't want to let him go the i am making it clear to the japanese he won't be back in antarctica. we want him to be free. pete is really a hero for what he did. we support him 100%. >> larry: the international whaling commission, iwc has been meeting in morocco, what has come of that? >> well, in my points it's the biggest waist of tax money i have ever seen. so far earlier this week, a brit, newspaper revealed there is all kind of corruption. japan is buying votes, buying and offering prostitutes to delegates of several countries. i thought that was going to be the main topic on this iwc that is here in agadir, morocco, it

is not. yesterday it was a small victory for the whales when there was the plans to uplift the ban on whaling fortunately that is in place. still, commercial whaling is not allowed. yeah, japan, iceland, norway will continue illegal whaling. >> larry: not allowed, done. japan slammed the sea shepherd during the iwc gathering saying the attacks are becoming more aggressive. are they? >> what they mean they're becoming more effective. we save 528 whales this last season which is more than they killed. we have lost them tens of millions of dollars in losses. we understand that the best way to stop them is hit them where it hurts. economically. our objective is to sink the fleet economically. we haven't injured any of them. we are at a disadvantage. they're trying to kill us out there, trying to do what we are doing making sure we don't injure any of them. >> larry: is their defense, chuck, their defense, these are whales. we are making a living. how are we different than fishermen? >> well --

>> larry: fishermen kill fish. >> the fact is fishing is not illegal. sea shepherd enforces international conservation laws. the action jazz pan as japan is illegal. i've think we feel, people have an attachment to whales, seals, dolphins, that's why sea shepherd focuses primarily on these, use. if we can't save these animals that we have, some intrinsic connection with we have no chance of saving the rest of them. >> larry: what do you think of the people who do go and harpoon them? >> they're breaking international conversation law. look, of course they're people who are wanting to also feed their own families, and empathy there, everyone needs to make a living. but these people are illegally poaching wild animals. in the last five years, humans have actually realized how important biodiversity is. if we don't have all the wild animals in the word, humans will die as well. so the whales, it is, you know we are helping the whales. the whale is symbolic. we can't save the most popular

an ma animal in the world what's the possibility of saving smaller animals, the frog. >> larry: are there rules of the road when it comes to engagement between the combatants. that's next. ♪ when you have a different perspective on things you don't end up with just another car. you end up with a saab.

cable is away. i can't get to the end. >> hold on! hold on! slow down! >> larry: before we show you some apparatus here on the desk, i want to ask laurens de groot,

are there rules of the road here? >> both side don't. we are not out to hurt anyone. that is an important rule that we always stick to. >> larry: they're not out to hurt you, are they, they just don't want you there, right? >> correct. we don't even want to be there as well. but, yeah it is up to japan. sh they should get out of there the we won't be there either. >> larry: thanks for that, laurens. what have you got, fiona? >> one of the pieces of the ady gil, one of the last remaining pieces. this boat was sunk, sunk after it was rammed into by one of the harpoon boats. nearly killed six men. so any way we lost the boat. but, yeah, we didn't have any injuries. >> larry: do you have the suit you wear? haw haw i >> i do. one of the mustang suits. normally in the walters down

the there, you get 20,30 minutes. plenty of time for a recovery. >> larry: what is that? in front? >> a net. sea shepherd has been active not only about whales, seals, dolphins and fishing. we just had a campaign in the mediterranean, released 4 tuna. this just shows. you can see how tangled this. i mean, seals, whales, dolphins, sharks, swordfish, all kind of what they call bicatch, or extra products. >> larry: bonus. >> horrendous. like clear cutting the ocean. >> larry: do they have feelings for the fish that they're doing this to do you think? >> i don't think. resource. consume, sell for profit. >> larry: what's the book, captain? >> we maintain a logbook of everything. we submitted this to the australian new zealand investigators the they looked at our log. japan wouldn't give them theirs. they have the one side. >> larry: you describe what is happening? >> every day, put down the position. >> larry: turn to a page. >> every day we put down our

position, you know, and the hours, and you know keep track of every incident that happens. >> a log. >> a legal document. so if there is any court case or everything, this is our proof. it all has to be in pen. you can't do it in pencil. that can be erased. >> larry: do you think you will meet your goal and stop this? >> absolutely. i think, more and more people are getting aware that whaling is truly barbaric, shouldn't have a place here in the 21st century. so, pretty confident we will shut down whaling once and for all. >> larry: you think so, fiona? >> absolutely. >> larry: you do? it's been going on how long? >> been going on for hundreds of years. but it is not tradition for commercial whaling, you know, i mean in the olden days that's fine, a to whales taken for small villages in japan. going down after world war ii, to antarctica, taking 1,000 whales, southern ocean sanctuary is not a cultural thing at all. and, i think the whole world is

realizing that you know, we want an end to whaling. i think it will definitely end. the sea shepherd will go back time and time again until we make sure that we put them out economically. >> larry: what waters are you in, captain? >> arctic oceans, southern oceans, antarctica peninsula. >> larry: what type of whale is it they're getting? >> they had a self provided quota of 995 meeke whale? >> larry: what is that? >> smaller whale, distributed throughout world. when the ice melts there is an algae bloom, and the crill feed on the algae. they go down to feed. during our winter it is summer in ant ashgt car, the ice melts and whales migrate down there. >> larry: you saw the eye, captain watson, are whales smart? >> scientists are now discovering, whales are self-aware, sentient beings. i think they're highly

intelligent. when people say that is ridiculous. i equate intelligence to live in harmony with our environment, by that criteria, we are not that intelligent. when you look at whales you are looking at a real mind in the ocean. i believe that one day through the use of computers we'll be able to communicate with the spe he says. i think that is an exciting possibility. >> larry: the way they die is how? >> they're harpooned. it is a very agonizing death. none of this would be tolerated at any slaughterhouse in the world. last year we filmed one whale struck. it took 25 minutes to die after being hit with an explosive harpoon, being shot at continuously with high powered rifles. a whale can take from ten minutes up to two hours to die. there is nothing really quite as cruel like this in any other part of the animal world. >> larry: laurens have you witnessed these killings? >> yeah, i was there on the last campaign. and, yeah, indeed we saw the whale being harpooned. it is incredibly horrific. even today i heard here in

greenland, also killing whales, shot a whale, it took over 120 minutes to die. yeah, it's just insane. >> larry: that is insane. laurens, thank you for the work you do, thank you for being with us. laurens de groot from morocco. where does bob barker fit in all of this? he'll join our panel next. let's break out the drop cloths, rollers, brushes, and tape. let's start small. then go big. no matter what the budget. and when we're done, let's take a bow. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now, get $5 off any one-gallon can of any behr or glidden paint. ♪ ♪

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our goal is to attach a line and tow it out. >> i'm getting out too. >> push it out. straight out. you all right? going to start it. give it a little push. >> at which point i made the decision i am going to start the engine and just drive it on to the rocks. >> oh, my god. oh. whoa, whoa, whoa! whoa! >> larry: captain watson, captain swift, and bob barker joins us, of course, the iconic tv personality, long time animal rights activist. he donated $5 million to sea shepherd for the retrofitting of

the vessel cin his honor. >> announcer: 4,000 miles away, a covert operation is under way. a mission kept secret from the japanese whaling fleet. the sea shepherds have quietly been rebuilding the vessel for three months now they want to sneak the ship to antarctica to surprise the whaling fleet. >> all aboard! >> we're moving. we're moving. we're moving. >> the sea shepherd! >> hell, yes. >> we are finally on our way to antarctica, yeah, we are all stokeed, yes. >> quite frankly i don't care what people think about what we do. they can criticize us all they want. but their opinions mean nothing

to me. >> larry: bob, how did you connect with the whale group? i see you with animals, i don't see you with whales? >> well i have a dear friend, named nancy burnett, who is a leading animal rights activist in the country. she is a long time admirer of sea shepherd. she has mentioned them several times. but this year she heard that they needed a new ship and she called me, she said, you ought to talk with paul watson. and help them out. so paul and i met. and i was very impressed with him as i am sure you are. and i -- listened to what had to say about what he needed and he explained as he has to you today, he explained to me that he was trying to sink the japanese whaling fleet

economically. and he said, if i had $5 million, i could do it. and i said, all right you, have $5 million. let's do it. and he has had a great year. they made no money. >> larry: the price is right. have you seen, have you watched the show? >> no, never had seen it. >> larry: do you seep it now? >> i seep it now. >> larry: what do you think, captain watson, ask the guy for $5 million, he gives it to you. >> it is exceedingly generous. bob has a long history of helping animals. bob did a psa for us 20 years ago. >> yes, i did. that's right. >> larry: you need people in the world, it is okay to go out. you need the bob barkers don't you? >> absolutely. any battle needs different positions filled. and without the support of people like bob barker or just the average populous we could never do what we are doing. >> larry: bob, i guess, all your life it has really bothered you that people would harm an animal of any kind, right?

>> it has. i have loved animals my entire life. >> larry: do you remember when it started that you got so upset to become active? were you a kid? >> well i was -- as a kid i picked up strays. i brought home strays. i lived in a little town in south dakota. and my mother and i lived in a hotel, it was the only two-story building in town. and out at rosebud indian reservation. there was a stairway up to the roof. when she wanted to find me when i was a little boy she would go up on the roof and look for the dogs because i had a pack of dogs with me always. and i -- i have always. >> larry: all of your lifetime? >> all my life. but i was the honorary chairman of be kind to animals week here in los angeles one year. years ago. maybe 35, 40 years ago. and as such, i did radio

interviews and television interviews. and talked with, people, and i was invited by various organizations to participate in their activities. and i did. and as i did, i began to be aware of the horrendous exploitation and mistreatment of animal in our country in the world as a matter of fact. as i did, i just felt compelled to fry to do what i could to rectify the situation. >> larry: what? what captain swift is an engagement like? >> thrilling. >> larry: do you yell at each other? can you verbally communicate with these people who do these things? >> i have specifically told my crew not to yell, engage, or make rude hand gestures or anything. we are there to shut them down financially. best we can do to accomplish the goal is blockade. >> larry: what do they do? >> in this case, they rand over the ship, attempted murder on

six crew members. ran into the vessel bob barker, the ship i was captaining, ripped a six-foot, gash in the side. that was about 4 inches deep. and they proved quite aggressive. these are people that for years have proven they have no disregard for the life -- >> larry: no regard. >> for the whales or laws protecting the whales. they proved they have the same disregard for human life. >> larry: does it shock you, fiona to see you, it would shock me? >> absolutely. i think when i grew up. i did think it was a perfect world. just realizing human, 6 billion of us, about to become 12 billion, there is a lot of bad things going on. a lot of mistreatment in animals. unfortunately we are heading towards a pretty scary situation with the population exploding and, we need to conserve every wild animal we have. and that's why it is so important, the sea shepherd is out there enforcing international conversation law. the u.n. should be doing it. navy should be doing. federal governments should be doing it. they're not doing it. and so we are doing it.

we're doing an extremely effective job for such a small organization. >> larry: what does bob think about sea shepherd's tactics especially with his name on the side of their ship? find out after the break. [ male announcer ] invest with fidelity and get more for less. don't you wish all investing decisions were this simple? ♪ ♪ ♪ now when you open and fund an account, you'll get 200 commission-free trades. fidelity investments. turn here. ♪

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fouled with oil. find out what he thinks of the chances margaritaville can survive and who he thinks is responsible for the spill and what's not happening with the clean-up. new rules in the gulf make it difficult to see the disturbing reality of the disaster, images like these, despite promises of transparency and full access, photographers, reporters and the public face fines and felony charges if they come been 65 feet of a response vessel or boom on the water or beaches. who made the rules and why? we're keeping them honest. the stories tonight live from louisiana. now back to larry king. >> i hate to interrupt your breakfast. we are pissed off. that was a great moral victory. they hang up all the nets to avoid getting it on their deck. we just loop it around and get it on the deck. we messed it up really bad.

you can smell the gas. >> sweet, smell of napalm in the morning. >> yeah! whoo-hoo! >> larry: we are back. bob, critics slam the aggressiveness of sea shepherd's tactics warning one day somebody is going to be injured or killed. your name is on the ship, do their tactics bother you? >> no, their tactics don't bother me a bit. absolutely not. now this year, i think that -- that these three folks will agree, the japanese whalers were much more aggressive than they have ever been. were they not? >> absolutely, yeah. >> and the aggression and the problems were the jap -- japanese. >> larry: what do you think of the people who whale? they're earning a living? >> there are so many ways to earn a living. that is no excuse.

i have nothing, i can't use the lang wauage to describe whalers. there was a time when people were going out and getting whales and using them in a useful way. today, the japanese say they're doing research, they're not doing research at all. they're filling the shelves of grocery stores in japan with whale meat. >> larry: what is a useful way? >> well, use it for lights. they were using it as fuel. they were -- they were -- for. >> larry: to live. >> eating the blubber and so on. they aren't doing that today. >> larry: captain watson, what is operation waltzing matilda. >> to honor the trail frailian people without their support we wouldn't have a base of operations. that's where we launch our campaigns from. one of the things we are really concerned about this next year is that because of no action taken against the captain of the

ship, giving a green light to the japanese to be even more aggressive next yearch so we are really worried that they're going to intensify their violence they've sunk one of our ships and got away with it. they will possibly -- fry to do it again. >> larry: if this was a show in japan what would they say about you? >> they would question our tactics, say weep were impinging on our rights, they would ignore the fact they're in flagrant violation of conversation laws. >> larry: they would deny it if the host brought up the law what would they say? >> they would say it is their national right to do what they want to do. >> also they have research right on the side of their ships. >> on them. >> larry: oh, to get away with it. >> yeah. >> larry: do you have any idea how many whales you save? >> we know we saved 528 whales in our last campaign in antarctica, i mean, we have saved thousands and thousands of whales, the sea shepherd, has done a brilliant job of doing that. also raising awareness as well. i came over to find the sea

shepherd because i wanted to find an organization that was tackling an australian issue or tackling an australian issue because it's so close to our land and sea ship was the ones that brought it to the world's attention, going on down there with a lot of people not knowing about it. thanks to whale wars as well of it's becoming a worldwide issues, starting a lot of conversation about not just whales but diversity. >> larry: it was kept secret until its first anti-whaling engagement. >> and it worked brilliantly. it showed up. the har poon vessel saw it and i asked chuck to put up the nor weenlg ann flag so they thought it was a norwegian whaler. >> you ought to be very proud, bob. >> larry: whale wars airs friday

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scary. it's a really scary thought. >> larry: we're back with our remaining moments. captain watson, what do you make of this situation in the gulf? >> we've been preparing a vessel but bp says we can't go in there to rescue animals. our concern is that they're taking bodies of mammals and burning them at night so people can't see what's being done. >> larry: you know that? >> yes, it's documented. they don't want people to see the extent of the damage and number of lives that's being killed amongst the wildlife. it's a very disturbing thing. why is british petroleum calling the shots here? why isn't the federal government and u.s. coast guard doing it? that's what's disturbing us. >> larry: what do you make of that whole thing? >> that's a very good question. >> larry: what do you make of it? >> obviously it's a disaster. >> larry: you see those animals. >> long-term implications, the oil works its way into the

estuaries, mangroves and wetlands. this is where these animals breed, fish, shrimp, all of these things breed in these shallow areas. this will be a decades-long issue. >> fiona? >> it spawns in two places, mediterranean, they're getting a double whammy at the moment. it's very scary. the scary thing is we can't do anything about it. we have to put all our hope into bp that they can stop t it's still going right now. that's the scary thing. >> larry: the animal lover you are, what must it do to you? >> i can't stand to look at the pictures. it's all over television now and, of course, newspapers. i can't bear to look at those pictures. it's terrible. peta wants to have the government file animal cruelty law -- suits against the british petroleum. it's a good idea. >> that's a great idea, yeah. >> larry: the whale show, how long are you committed to this? this could go on for a long

time, this animal planet? unless you succeed there's no more harpooning. >> we're the only television show that really wants to put itself off the air. we can do that by succeeding. every year we're hoping we can shut this down and that will be the last "whale wars" show. that's the ultimate goal, is to put ourselves off the air. >> larry: what satisfaction do you get in what you do? >> extremely satisfying. we've seen eight or nine whales and to watch them swim -- we came up on the factory ship, started our blockade and saw a pod of whales. it recharges your batteries. there's a lot of work, lot of stress in what we do and it's so nice to see the wilderness down there. >> larry: what satisfaction do you get, bob? you're not out on the ship. >> oh, i have such a great feeling of pride to be associated with people like this in any way. i truly do. to think what they're doing,

they're risking their lives in an effort to save one of nature's most beautiful creations. and i am a part of it. i'm grateful for the opportunity. >> larry: fiona, what satisfaction do you get? >> so much satisfaction. i'm going to devote the rest of my life to representing animals and trying to make it a different world for them. i really do hope we have a turnaround and we do conserve what little we have left. we really do only have a little left of the wildlife left. >> larry: captain watson you, who started all of this? you must get the greatest satisfaction. >> i don't think people realize how intimately connected we are with life in the ocean and the diminishment of life in the ocean is the diminishment of the oceans to support us. if the oceans die, we die. and people really have to understand that. >> larry: we're an ocean planet. >> we are. it should be called the planet ocean. >> yeah. >> larry: thank you all very,