their dream of opening their own company that gets crushed by walmart. >> this is so bizarre, the oil in the gulf is now heating up in the sun and cooking the birds covered in the oil. horrible. scientists believe they may have inadvertently stumbled on colonel sander's secret recipe. >> and that's all for tonight. thanks for joining us everybody. "larry king live" starts right "larry king live" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> larry: tonight -- a prime-time exclusive. israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu on the palestinians. >> i think it requires courage on the palestinian side to say, hey, it's over, no more war, no more bloodshed, we're going to make a genuine peace with israel. >> larry: peace talks. >> president abbas, palestinian

president, meet me and let's talk peace. >> larry: and israel's bond with the united states. >> we have both common values and unfortunately common enemies. >> larry: was his meeting with president obama a turning point? finally marking a thaw in an icy relationship? benjamin netanyahu for the hour is next on "larry king live." >> larry: we only go back -- well, almost 30 years. b.b. that's his nickname. but i have to refer to him as prime minister netanyahu because that's formality here. the israeli prime minister in new york, a city he knows very well. used to be ambassador to the u.n. let's get right to it. it's good seeing you again, by the way. >> good to see you, larry. you didn't have to reveal how far back we go together. >> larry: that's right, you got a point. a few months ago, you went to

the white house. it didn't go too well. what changed yesterday? >> i think there's an underlying relationship there that people don't appreciate. we have our ups and downs. people focus on the downs and the downs are exaggerated and sometimes distorted. but there is ups and there's a basic bedrock of identification, common values between israel and the united states. the president gives it expression. i give it expression. and yesterday's meeting gave it expression. i think there is a solidity of ties between israel and the united states that the president of the united states and the prime minister of israel reflect in their meeting. >> larry: no matter who holds the posts? >> i think every prime minister, every president, has his own points, his own view points, but there's a common position of

friendship and a basic alliance that is there, that really is continued by all leaders, whoever they are. that was definitely the case yesterday. >> larry: mr. prime minister, have there been times, though, since president obama took office, where you felt that friendship or that tie weakened? >> no, a lot of things that the public is not aware of that throughout the year and some that i've been in office, we've had continuous cooperation in the fields of security, in the fields of intelligence, in the fields of vital strategic importance to israel and the united states. and that seems to go unnoticed or unremarked. people always focus on differences of view we have. they're minor compared to the things that unite us. we have -- israel is the only democracy in the middle east. america's the world's greatest democracy. we have both common values.

and, unfortunately, common enemies. the people who attack the united states and the middle east attack israel. the people who we are fighting are the people you are fighting. there's a great commonalty. a great cooperation that goes underneath the surface. and sometimes, i'm happy to say, it does come to the surface. it does yesterday. it really should be an indication of something that guides our relationship throughout. >> larry: so there's no time that you question president obama's commitment to your country? >> no. and i think there's no time that he questioned israel's unwavering commitment as a firm american ally. i would say there is no greater ally, no greater friend of the united states, than israel. and there is no greater friend and no greater ally of israel than the united states. >> larry: there were those who were saying, though, in the past few months, until that meeting yesterday, the relationships were at the lowest ebb in 35

years. do you buy that? >> look, no, i don't. i think the support for israel and the american people and the intertwining of interests and cooperation between our governments is increasing all the time. it's obscured by the bumps on the road. i have no doubt about that. >> larry: all right, let's get into some things. mr. prime minister, you say that you want to have direct talks with the palestinians. so when are you and president abbas, the palestinian authority, going to sit down? when's it going to happen? it's so frustrating to the world -- >> that's a very -- that's an excellent question that i've been asking for a year and a quarter. ever since i got into office. on day one that i got in, i said president abbas, the palestinian president, meet me and let's talk peace.

and i use this forum today, on the "larry king live" show, to say, president abbas, meet me, and let's talk peace. we all have our grievances. we all have our, you know, our questions and things that we want answered. but the most important thing is to get together. sit down in a room and begin to negotiate peace. you cannot resolve a conflict. you cannot successfully complete a peace negotiation if you don't start it. and i say let's start it right now. today. tomorrow. in jerusalem. in ramallah. or anywhere else. i'm prepared to go to a warm city like new york or a cool city anywhere. let's get on with the business of talking peace and concluding the peace agreement. >> larry: so, forgive me, what's holding it up? he could watch this show. we did a show some years ago with arafat, with yitzhak rabin and king hussein of jordan, historic show. i was in washington. the three of them were in their

homelands. it was terrific. why can't -- would you do that, if we had you and abbas and we had the king of jordan on? could we do that now? >> you're on, larry. from my point of view, immediately, no problem. >> larry: all right. so if we worked on that, we could set it up? because it's -- it's frustrating -- go ahead. >> well, i'm just saying that you're hitting the nail right on the head. i mean, what is there to prevent a meeting between the prime minister of israel, in jerusalem, and the president of the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas, who's ten minutes away in ramallah, that's when you have traffic, without traffic, it's seven minutes. i really like and respect senator george mitchell. president obama's envoy to the middle east. but i find it perplexing and unnecessary that president -- that senator mitchell has to travel halfway across the world

to relay messages between president abbas and myself. there's no need for that. we should sit down. we have very serious issues to discuss. our security. the question of where the borders will end up. the question of settlements. the question of palestinian refugees. the question of water. all these things are crucially important. the only way they're going to be resolved is if we actually sit down and negotiate a peace. i think leaders have to do exactly that. i think we have to break molds, break stereotypes, and cut right through to a solution. i'm prepared to do it. i hope that president abbas hears my call, responds to it. i think we'll have important and steady help from president obama. but there is no substitute for the two leaders. the leader of israel and the leader of the palestinian authority, to get down together, talk peace and make peace. >> maybe we can kick it off on this show. we'll be right back with

benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister. don't go away.

>> larry: we're back with prime minister netanyahu. he is in new york. we're in los angeles. what about the settlements issue? president obama said yesterday he expected talks to begin before the moratorium on settlement construction expires which is late september. will you extend the moratorium, by the way, if things aren't

settled by late september? >> larry, the whole settlement issue was supposed to be discussed in the final piece -- what are called final status peace negotiations. which means how to achieve a final peace. this is one of the issues we have to resolve. seven months ago, i did something quite extraordinary, that is, no other prime minister in israel's history did this. i put on a temporary freeze of ten months of new construction in the settlements in order to encourage the palestinians to get into the peace talks. seven months have passed by. they don't come in. they say, oh, we need, now, another extension. and the answer is, right now, listen, we don't need any pretext and preconditions. let's just get into the talks. and one of the things we'll discuss, right away, is issues of settlements. that's what i propose doing. in any case, what is important, is to get down and talk. that's the important thing. >> larry: president clinton once said to me that the difficulties

in the middle east are harder to solve than ireland/england. that it's so deep rooted and so frustrating. can you explain to a waiting world why you can't get together? >> i can, and i'm offering to do exactly that. i think there's been a persistent refusal in many arab quarters to recognize the state of israelborders. i think the urissue of borders important. the basic recognition of the jewish state that exists in the middle east, that is the homeland of the jewish people, that lives in peace and security with its neighbors, is something that is recognized by some. we made peace with egypt. we made peace with jordan. i think it's important to make peace with the palestinians. and i'm prepared to negotiate that peace right away.

i think it requires courage on the palestinian side for all those who don't really want a peace with israel, to stand up and do what president -- the late president of egypt, anwr sadat did, and to say, hey, it's over, no more war, no mar bloodshed. we're going to make a genuine peace with israel. live next to the jewish state of israel. think the palestinians should not be either subject of israel or citizens of israel. they should have their own independent country. we should be assured that this country is not used as a staging ground for iranian-sponsored terrorist attacks on us. and i think this combination of state for the palestinians and security for israel is something that can be brought about in direct negotiations that i propose to start without any preconditions, without any pretext. >> larry: right. >> leaders don't need excuses. they just have to get on with it

and i'm prepared to get on with it. >> larry: do you -- you absolutely favor a palestinian state though, right? >> i do. and i want to make sure that it -- that we don't have a repeat of what happened in the other two times that we vacated territory. you know, we left lebanon, every last square inch of it. and iran came in and used it as a staging ground to launch 6,000 rockets on israel's cities. 6,000. we left gaza, last square inch, and iran used it to arm its proxies and fired another 6,000 rockets. we can't afford that happening a third time. now, when i say that, larry, you can, now, reach one of two conclusions. either don't make any peace attempt. or ensure that the peace you do make has the necessary security averagement arrangements on the ground to prevent this from happening a third time. that's what i propose to do.

i think it's possible to fashion a secure peace for israel and a dignified life for the palestinians. i discussed this at some length yesterday with president obama. and i'm very happy with the progress of those talks. >> larry: all right. but abbas isn't the only leader we have to concern ourselves with. would you sit down with hamas? >> i'll sit down with anyone who will recognize my existence. somebody who calls for our destruction, my destruction, is unfortunately not a partner for peace. >> larry: so you would not sit down -- >> -- hamas that calls -- well, you know, would you sit down with somebody who said we want to destroy the united states? now come and talk to us? >> larry: do you think they can -- that can change at all? do you think there's some way -- secretary mitchell, senator mitchell maybe somewhat in between can get a little tempering of the language? i mean, we're trying for the same result here. nobody gets killed hopefully.

>> i think in the case of hamas, it's basically a proxy, a terror proxy of iran. iran openly calls for our destruction. it denies the holocaust. it sponsors terrorism everywhere. hamas, by the way, does the same thing to the palestinians in gaza. they don't really have a choice. they can't really vote the hamas out. they can't decide their own fate. but look at what is happening in the west bank with our cooperation. you know, we removed -- i removed hundreds of check points. hundreds of road blocks. and the palestinian economy on the west bank is just booming. i mean, there's coffee shops, there's shopping malls, there's e-businesses, you name it. it's growing at about 8% or 9% a year. which isn't bad these days. and i'm very happy for that. and i want to add on to that a formal peace. peace with security and prosperity. hamas is totally the other way around. they are -- you know, they're subjecting their own people to

terrible things. and they're using the territory to just stockpile weapons. i wish they -- i wish they'd change, and i wish they'd accept the state of israel. but as long as they call for our destruction, there's not much we can do. >> larry: we'll be right back with the prime minister of israel after this.

>> larry: we're back with prime minister benjamin netanyahu of the state of israel. your coalition, we know this, has some right wingers who don't agree with the notion of a palestinian state. you have some difficulties. there are always inner politics going on. is there any way, a pragmatic way, to bring you and the cadimi together? >> i've formed one. i've formed likud labor alliance.

i'm always happy to broad en it to people who want to serve the nation. you know, getting into the intricacies of israeli politics would take a lot more of -- even a long program of "larry king." it's a subject of encyclo pedic advantage. >> larry: back to the difficulties. in may, israeli forces stormed a ship on a humanitarian mission to gaza. several turkish activists were killed. i don't know if you've -- have you ever publicly said that you were wrong to do this? >> well, we were definitely sorry about the loss of life. but i'll tell you what happened. first of all, why do we check ships that go to gaza? because we are concerned with the flow of -- the possible flow of weaponry into gaza. we've had, as i said, thousands of rockets fired on us. i think that what people fail to recognize is that there were six

ships. five of them were totally peaceful. and nothing of substance happened. our navy checked these ships. and we didn't have any incident. the sixth ship was very different. it had about 500 people on it. of which about 450 were peaceful people. but several dozen were act investments of a very radical group that had apparently amassed steel rods, knives, communication equipment. they boarded differently than the other passengers. boarded in one port in turkey. they went through security checks. these people boarded in another port in istanbul. they didn't go through any security checks. they had their own communication equipment. they had their own -- their own steel pipes and things that they brought on board. and when our coast guard effectively wanted to check this

ship and make sure it behaved the way the other five did, they were brutally attacked. you can see that in the films that were released. our soldiers, our navy people were fighting for their lives. what would you do if the coast guard boarded a ship and the coast guard was brutally attacked by people who were, you know, clubbing them, knifing them, taking weapons from them, shooting at them? what do you think would happen? how do you think the american people would respond? >> larry: okay. but how do you repair the damage with a state you need to be friendly, turkey? >> well, you're quite right, that turkey and israel had an important relationship. turkey's a very important country in the middle east. i think that the relationship began to deteaeriorate with the turkish policy, a new policy, that basically veers away from

the west and i think israel -- what has happened with israel as a result of that policy and not its cause. but nevertheless, i look for every opportunity to see if we can stop this deterioration and somehow get things back to normal or relatively normal. last week, i authorized a meeting with one of my senior ministers. and the turkish foreign minister. they met in zurich, in the airport. i can't tell you that something positive came out of it. but i want to feel, as prime minister of israel, that i leave no stone unturned in the quest for -- the quest for a broader peace, and the quest of good relations with our neighbors. and even though it may not succeed right now, we'll keep trying. >> larry: will you meet with turkish leaders? >> sure. >> larry: we'll take a break. ♪ [ male announcer ] we all need people

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>> larry: we're very interested in your comment, mr. prime minister, on the statements made by former american president jimmy carter. he called the incident with the ship, the attack on the ship, unprovoked and illegal israeli assault. he also says, there's no way to realize a two-state solution, while, quote, the people of gaza remain isolated and deprived of basic human rights. how do you respond to president carter? >> well, first of all, think he's wrong on the incident. i described to you what happened. >> larry: all right. >> we regret the loss of life, but we don't apologize for our soldiers defending themselves. and i think that's obvious. secondly, think the people of gaza are, indeed, incarcerated by hamas. third, i removed all the

civilian -- civilian closure that we had. that is, the prevention of free flow of civilian goods, food, medicine, anything, toys. i actually changed a policy that i inherented from the previous government. it had put both civilian closure on gaza and a security closure. i said we really have to be clear about our policy. our policy is that weapons and war supporting material don't go in. and everything else should go in. food and everything else should go in. so i changed that policy. and i'm glad i did it. because i think there's clarity. and there's common sense in it. i'm sorry that not everyone can see that. i think fair minded people can see it and, in fact, do. >> does it pain you personally to have former president of the united states be so critical of your country? >> well, i'm sorry he thinks that. i think the majority, the

overwhelming majority of americans, see things differently. i think -- i think successful presidents, including this one, see things differently. and the important thing is to -- is to be true to the facts. the facts are that israel was attacked from gaza. the fact is that we had -- that iran sends weapons into gaza so they'd be fired on us. the fact is that this regime, hamas, is holding an israeli soldier that they kidnapped for four years, four years this soldier, gilad shalit, has not been allowed to see anyone. this is a complete violation of international norms. i think if anything bears condemnation, it is this -- this inhumane terrorist regime. and i would hope that international condemnation is directed there. that's where it belongs. and not against israel. a struggling democracy.

striving to live and to make peace with its neighbors. it should not be condemned. it should be encouraged to -- >> larry: saying -- >> -- defend itself and also make peace. >> larry: -- image around the world is poor, you're not in high regard at the u.n. you seem to be from a public relations standpoint, pr standpoint, in trouble. >> well, that's one of the reasons i'm appearing on "the larry king show." there's a difference between perception and reality. the reality is the people of israel yearn for peace, pray for peace. we've not had a day's peace, a day of complete peace, since the founding of the state in 1948. we know the cost of wars. there's -- many israelis have suffered it. i've suffered it personally. i've lost a brother in the war

between the wars known as terror. many of my friends have lost direct relatives. we know the loss of war. we know the sorrows of war. we know the blessings of peace. yet at the same time we forged a peace agreement with egypt. we forged a peace agreement with jordan. and throughout these years, we built a robust economy. israel is a beehive of crea creativity and innovation. the economy is growing. it's one of the best economies in the developed world. there's a story there that doesn't get told. both of our desire for peace, our sacrifices for peace, and our building of a better reality. and i can envision, if we had the kind of peace i envisioned with the palestinians, we could see what we're seeing now in the west bank, this great prosperity, envelop the entire region.

i think israel could make a tremendous contribution to the well-being of its arab neighbors. i think peace could bring for our children, my children and their children, something beyond their imagination. it could be a different life. a different reality. and i'm prepared to do it. i'm prepared to move and lead my people to that peace and i need a partner on the other side. >> larry: when we come back, we'll talk about iran with the president, with the prime minister of israel, right after this.

>> larry: mr. prime minister, iran, how much -- the word fear apply -- how much do you fear their intentions? what's the worst-case scenario to you? >> well, we've learned in history and in jewish history to take seriously those who call for our external nation. a lot of people in the 21st century didn't take such calls seriously and we know the awful price that was paid by the jewish people and later by rest of humanity for not taking seriously these kinds of statements. the fact that after the holocaust sovereign government at once denies the holocaust and calls for the destruction of the jewish state is just outrageous.

do we take it seriously? absolutely we take it seriously. we also know israel was founded to defend rights of the jewish people and we absolutely will defend ourselves. >> larry: if you determined they had nuclear capability, would you attack iran? >> you know, i've taken note of president obama's statement, that he's determined to prevent iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. i see that sanctions have been adopted. modest sanctions at the u.n. but more robust sanctions recently by the congress was signed by the president the other day. i hope the other nations follow america's lead in this. will it be notenough to stop th iranian nuclear program? i can't tell you, larry. i do tell you the president has said that all options are on the table. and i do tell you that israel

always reserves the right to defend itself. that's the purpose for which it was founded. to defend jewish lives. >> larry: assuming -- israel has never said it has nuclear weapons, but the world thinks it does. why is it okay for israel to have nuclear weapons and iran not to have nuclear weapons? hypothetically if israel has them, why is it okay for them to have them and the other not? >> well, we said we wouldn't be the first to introduce these weapons into the middle east. but equally we're not threatening to destroy any country. we don't seek the destruction of any country or any people. we don't say that an entire people has to be wiped off the map of the earth. we don't have such intentions. and i think all nuclear proliferation is bad. but some of it is a lot worse. does make a difference, whether holland has nuclear weapons, or

the ayatollah regime. where there is nuclear weapons. and i think there's a common understanding right now. something that i spoke about 16 years ago, 14 years, to be precise, 1996, when i was elected, 14 years ago. spoke before the joint session of the u.s. congress. i was just elected prime minister. and i said that the greatest threat facing humanity is that iran would acquire nuclear weapons. some eyebrows were raised at the time. i can tell you 14 years later that most of the world's leaders today agree with this. there is a question of the distance between understanding an effective action, and that is the ultimate test of leadership. and history. >> larry: would you ban all nuclear weapons throughout the -- not the world, would you ban nuclear weaponry entirely? >> well, that's beyond my scope. i mean, this is -- this is a

worthy cause, but it's -- it's a very complicated issue. and i'm sure you realize that the most important thing is preventing the most dangerous weapons in the world from falling into the hands of the most dangerous regimes. and this is what we really are facing today. we're facing the prospect that people who talk about destruction, who deny the holocaust, who sponsor terrorism everywhere, who shoot their own citizens on the sidewalk. you know, they lie there. remember that young woman lying there, choking in her own blood. these people who have absolutely no inhibitions about the use of violence and pretau tallty woul acquire the weapons of mass terror. atomic bombs. that's a very, very dangerous development for all of us. >> larry: would there be any pointridiculous,

but speaking is better than killing. would there be any point for you to sit down with ahmadinejad? >> well, if he wanted to change the policies of iran. we used to have friendly relations with iran. it actually recognized israel. exchanges all the time. tell me, when ahmadinejad decides to recognize the state of israel and seek peace with it, believe me, i'll be there eagerly waiting. but i'm afraid i don't see that. i see the very opposite. >> larry: some more moments. we have a couple segments left with the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. don't go away.

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he proposed a plan to bp two months ago, hasn't heard anything back. congressman ed markey has also heard nothing. keeping them honest. they join me tonight. i'm also going to speak with a bp doctor who's helping treat the men and women affected by this spill. lots of them, as it turns out. what he has seen firsthand and how concerned he is about the long-term effects on all the worker. those stories, much more, all of it, at the top of the hour. >> larry: we're back with benjamin netanyahu, prime minister of israel. so thankful to give us this hour tonight on "larry king live." as we say, we go back a long way. what do you make of iraq -- no, no, well, i'm leaving "larry king live" in november, but i'm going to be around. we're going to do specials. we're going to come to the middle east. >> oh, good. good, i'll -- then i'll

entertain you again in israel. it will be a good refresher. >> larry: it will be my pleasure. don't forget, you committed, if we can get all three leaders on together, we're going to do that show. >> you can do it anytime. you have one. >> larry: okay. are you -- well, i think we can get jordan. if we get -- we're fine if we got abbas. what do you make of what's going to happen in iraq? will that hold together? >> i hope so. i mean, we are -- we are rooting for the success of the american effort and of the iraqi effort to stabilize iraq. it went through a very difficult period. we want to see a peaceful middle east. we want to see a moderate middle east. i think there's a larger battle taking place between the forces of madernity and the forces of

medievalism. tries not merely to eradicate israel but to bring down any moderate government in the arab world and in the middle east. in a way, there's a -- this is the first time in my lifetime that the -- many of the arab governments and israel understand that there's a great -- a great foe that threatens all of us. and that is the basis of a broader understanding. i don't think peace should be merely forged by common dangers. it should be forged also by the benefits, the blessings of peace, economic blessings, the human blessings of every sort. but today the context of the peace is made perhaps more likely and more possible because of this common enemy that threatens israel and arab countries alike. >> larry: what's -- what about

hezbollah, lebanon, that -- four years since the war with hezbollah and lebanon. are you still concerned about them? >> unfortunately, yes, because it is basically an iranian terror proxy. look, lebanon was the switzerland of the middle east. it's a very beautiful country. it had robust economy. and iran has moved its surrogates, hezbollah, into lebanon. it has piled weapons there. they fire those weapons on israel. they undermine any attempt at moderation. any movement towards peace. we always hoped that lebanon -- we always said we don't know who the first country to make peace with israel, which country that would be, but certainly lebanon would be the second country. and, you know, it hasn't happened. not because many lebanese don't want it, but because radical

forces, pro-iranian forces, like hezbollah, are preventing it. and so you have these two enclaves next to israel, one in the south, gaza, controlled by one proxy of hezbollah, preventing the people there from making peace with israel. and then another enclave in the north, in lebanon, controlled by another iranian proxy, hezbollah, preventing the lebanese from making peace with israel. and threatening to throw the entire region into a maelstrom of violence and terror. that's happened before. i hope it doesn't happen again. but hezbollah and hamas are basically iranian surrogates. as long as iran doesn't want peace, they don't want peace. >> larry: touch some other bases before we leave as we have one segment to go. you've invited obama to to visit israel. what has he said? >> well, you know, he'll decide the appropriate time, but i have to tell you that we had very,

very, very productive conversation. and i think that when we have a chance to sit, as we do, one on one, i think it's very, very productive for israel, for the united states and for the quest for peace. >> larry: our remaining moments with the prime minister after this. ngin r achinery humng [ male an] weave it er of a rc

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>> larry: couple of other things, mr. prime minister. how would you describe the relationship of your country with secretary of state clinton and how do you measure her work in the peace process? >> i greatly respect secretary clinton. you know, i worked with her husband, bill. i got to know hillary on her visits to israel. she's always a welcomed guest. i think she's knowledgeable.

i think secretary clinton was a very wise choice on the part of president obama and we'll be happy to work with her if the president so designates, and he often does. >> larry: there's some video getting a lot of attention on the web, supposedly of israeli soldiers dancing while on patrol in heberon. what do you know of that? >> i don't know. i hear it for the first time. >> larry: so do i. they gave me a note here and said it's on the web. >> i don't know. if you talk to me -- if you want to invite me again, i will be able to respond to it. >> larry: we'll invite you any time. are you ever able -- you're prime minister of israel. a previous prime minister was assassinated. you live in the center of a hostile world. are you ever able to really

relax? >> yeah. you know -- yes. and i'll tell you when. every saturday, the sabbath, we have a day off. it's a very good idea that this institution was brought into the world. so, i have a day off. and every saturday with my younger boy who just won the national bible championship in israel and became in third in the international, like a big spelling bee. huge. spiritual strength. you know, i used to teach him. he is now 15. but in the last couple of years, he teaches me. so, yes, i draw enormous reservoirs of strength and i think that is needed for all

leaders, but especially for the leaders of israel. >> larry: four years ago, the former prime minister, ariel sharon, has suffered a stroke. is he still alive. do you ever go to see him? what is that story? >> it's a tragedy. arial sharon was a great leader of israel, the greatest general israel has had in modern times, has contributed a lot to the country and, unfortunately, has suffered, as you say, the stroke. we can all pray that somehow he miraculously recovers, but that has not happened yet. but i think the people of israel value his contributions. i certainly do. >> larry: earlier in the program, you mentioned that hamas is still holding gilead shalit, the israeli soldier they captured four years ago. >> yes. >> larry: any late word on any

efforts? >> well, we've had a german mediator, very abled man, trying to broker the release. i'm prepared to release 1,000 palestinian prisoners for gilead but so far there's not been an official response of hamas to this offer the mediator has made. i have accepted it. they have not. i can only hope that they change their mind. >> larry: in our remaining moments, mr. prime minister, do you think -- how old are you now? >> i'm 60 years old, larry. and showing it. >> larry: do you think that in your lifetime, you will really see peace in your region? >> i think it's possible to achieve it, yes. will we achieve it with the entire middle east? that, i cannot say.

can we achieve it with the palestinians? i say absolutely. i say that with conviction because i think it's a question of a rightness for our people's perspective, there is a ready time. it's now. i think for many palestinians, the time is now. and i'm prepared to make that effort. it requires a lot of courage. maybe that's the quality that supersedes all others. if you doesn't have courage, everything else fails, but if you have it, then everything else is possible. we have the courage to make peace. and i hope -- fervently hope that our palestinian neighbors have similar courage. with the help of the united states, i think it can be done, yeah. absolutely. >> thank you, mr. prime minister. have a safe trip home. we hope to see you again very soon. >> thank you. come and visit us,