said, that's fine, i wasn't planning on aiming that high, anyway. >> it is a great day for america but not a great dane the gulf of mexico, there are rumors that the containment cap they put on is starting to leak. when asked if the rumors were true, a bp spokesperson said, aren't there any more mel gibson tapes? >> and that's it for us. have a great night, "larry king live" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, lindsay lohan is in the slammer. her devastated dad, michael watched as she was hauled off to jail, shouting, we love you lindsey. and what he witnessed as she was put in handcuffs and led away.

can she survive 90 days? next on "larry king live." >> larry: everybody's talking about lindsay lohan tonight. joining us is michael lohan, lindsay lohan's father, a "larry king live" exclusive and his attorney. first, let's go to the detention center in california, where the insider, chris jacobs is. >> reporter: how are you? >> larry: fine. >> reporter: when she arrived at the courthouse earlier today, i think frenzy would be an understatement. there was a crush of paparazzi waiting on the courthouse steps. if you watch one of the tapes closely, you can see someone through confetti on her as she made her way in the courthouse. she spent about 40 minutes inside the courtroom, remanded and put in custody and she was

transported here to linwood and arrived about 10:00 this morning. >> larry: how far is linwood from the courthouse? >> reporter: it probably took them 45 minutes to an hour to get down here. i'm sure there was a caravan following them. upon arrival, she was processed like any other inmate would be. i don't believe she was given any special treatment or privileges during the booking procedure. because she's in on a violation of an alcohol or drug offense, i'm sure she was subjected to a full cavity body search, larry. >> larry: do you know anything whether she has a cell-mate, can she have visitors or anything about what it's like for her inside? >> reporter: it's my belief, larry, she has her own cell with a private shower. that is for her own protection. i believe her jailers do not want her in general population for her safety. unfortunately, also for her safety, she's going to be in her

cell by herself for 23 hours a day, and that can be quite daunting. >> larry: nice, chris, chris jacobs, correspondent for "the insider." with us in the studio, michael lohan, the father of lindsey and his attorney, lisa bloom. the cameras were shut off before she was handcuffed. you were there. >> unbelievably well. i couldn't believe the strength. she was very strong. >> did you expect worse? >> yes, much worse. what really hurt this time wasn't the sentence coming down on her, my daughter, ali was a mess and it broke my heart. >> larry: how old is ali? >> only 16. >> larry: what did you say to her? >> i love you, lindsey. >> larry: was -- did she say anything back? >> no.

she couldn't. >> larry: you're still estranged. did you go see her? >> no. i didn't want to create problems. there are people waiting for me to make a move and put me in jail myself and one place my kids don't need me. >> larry: your ex-wife has a restraining order from you? >> she has had one for six years now. >> larry: you are restrained for what? >> actually, she didn't get it for anything i did with her, stemmed from the fight i had with my brother-in-law when he was high on crack at my son's communion party. >> larry: was she in court today? >> yes, she was? >> yes, she wouldn't speak to anybody. >> larry: will you try to speak to her? >> absolutely. >> larry: do you know the visiting situation? >> on weekends. i was planning to go tomorrow night.

but i heard it was only on weekends. lisa and i decided i should stay. >> larry: where is home? >> in south hampton, long island. >> larry: what was this like from your perspective? >> heartbreaking. the rest of the world looks at lindsay lohan as an icon, cartoonish character, we see her in all the tabloids and shows. but to michael, this is his daughter. i have a daughter and if you can imagine having your daughter taken to jail and how devastating that is. that's what he's going through. he has, through me, trying to get to her for months and to get her to go to rehab. if she had gone to rehab a month or two months ago, none of this would happen, what michael was crying from the mountaintops about. >> larry: robert shapiro is a very good friend of mine, i spent all day sunday with him. he's no longer her attorney, i guess at all. he had told me, he was proposing

rehab, and then jail. what happened to him in this. >> why didn't it -- >> larry: he wasn't able to tell me because of the laws of the court. you can tell me your perspective. >> i don't know why no attorney for lindsay lohan filed a notice of appeal in the last two weeks. had any attorney done that, this sentence would have been stayed pending appeal meaning six to 12 months she could have been out. >> larry: putting off the inevitable. >> she could have won an appeal perhaps, i saw some grounds but attorneys differ on that. an attorney could make an application to switch the order, put her in rehab first, put her in jail second. >> larry: no one made that application. >> no one made that application. >> larry: didn't robert shapiro intend to do that? i know he did. >> i don't know what was in his mind. but no one did. shawn chaplain holly -- >> larry: but she's pregnant.

>> after shapiro resigned last night. shawn chapman holly entered. >> he offered to pay for the appeal through me and offered to do anything possible to help his daughter. >> in court today, the court actually said there was no notice that shawn chapman holly was relieved of the case and no notice robert shapiro was the new attorney. >> larry: you have to give notice. >> it's like a divorce, people can split up and two years later the divorce is final. an attorney can withdraw from a case and later the notice is final. the new attorney has to be in. my suspicion is with robert shapiro in the last few days, things perhaps disentigrated between attorney and client. >> larry: was this handled poorly? >> all i can tell you is i have great respect with robert shapiro. i don't know what was going on behind the scenes with him and his client. i hate to second-guess him.

the job offer the attorney is to zealously evacuate for the liberty of the client. he said he would only represent her if she first went to jail and go to his private facility. that raises questions. >> larry: robert downey, jail helped. >> jail helped, but i went into jail when i was clean and sober. lindsey's on prescription drugs. i have to say this, i spoke to robert shapiro about three weeks ago, i spoke to him not about lindsey, well, not about representing lindsey but man-to-man, father to father and with some legal background involved. robert said to me, she's got to get off prescription drugs. i share what you're feeling, i know it. i said i feel the same thing. >> larry: some have died because of it. >> i said i share your sentiments and don't want to see that the outcome for my daughter. >> larry: if she's still on prescription drugs, will she get them in jail? >> she gets them on limited

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meal and what her first night is going to be like? what about visitors? >> reporter: actually "the insider," i don't want to give my competition credit. >> larry: they run into each other. >> reporter: i can tell you what life is going to be like relatively speaking for lindsey on the inside of this facility. like i said, relatively speak, there are pros and cons. first, the pros. she's actually only going to serve most likely 13-15 days of the 90 she's been sentenced due to overcrowding in this facility. secondly, she will have her own cell with its own shower and can take a shower when ever she wants for her own protection. her first meal tonight, there is an insider on the prison informed us "the insider" most likely turkey, applesauce, coleslaw and white bread and milk to wash that down. here are the cons. she won't be allowed any cigarettes. any smoker knows making it two

weeks without a puff is hard to do. secondly, no makeup, for someone like lindsay lohan, tough as well. no hair extensions, accessories, things like that. she will be wearing that orange jumpsuit we saw in the mugshot the next two weeks. it will certainly be a humiliating experience for her at the correctional facility. >> larry: one more thing, chris of "the insider," what about visitors? >> reporter: actually, starting on saturday, larry, she will be allowed to have visitors. not sure about phone access, probably just to speak to her attorney. in fact, as i was arriving today, her attorney, shawn, was leaving and she looked very very exhausted. i'm sure she had a long day as well. here's the other thing, larry. lindsey is an avid tweeter and facebooker. i doubt she will have access to the internet and for the next two weeks, she will be incommunicado to her legion of

twitter followers. >> larry: thanks, chris. >> thanks. i do the show on a daily basis. she will be alone 24 hours a day for her own protection and true for anyone with notoriety for anyone who goes to jail and the right thing to do to protect her. >> larry: can she have books? >> there have been a lot of studies by human rights organizations about the effects of isolation. there are severe psychological effects of isolation, day after day after day, you are alone for 24 hours. in super max prison, it's used against the most hardened criminals as a form of punishment. >> i was alone for five weeks. >> people talk about celebrities getting special treatment. for celebrities it's more difficult because they're alone so much. >> i was in lockdown in seg for five weeks. >> larry: what is that? >> administrative segregation. the hole. >> isolation. >> food through a slot in a door, only books, light in the

room. >> larry: can she make out a list of books? >> yes. >> larry: does she have television? >> no. i don't think so. definitely no internet access. >> and in the common area, if she's allowed out, i've been in touch with the clergy and prison itself, the chaplain minister, she will have some time outside the cell, from what i understand, maybe an hour a day in the common area. there will be no other inmates in that area. the most important thing for her right now, i think this is god's will that it will bring her down to her knees, with nothing else to do, i just hope she starts to get back to herself, to pray. i'm sending her a bible, the clergy said i could do. >> larry: what about cigarettes? >> no. >> larry: what about it? you can climb a wall. >> you can. in most cases you can smuggle them in. if you get caught, it adds more time to your sentence.

yes, she can climb a wall. she's fighting enough demons herself with the prescription drugs and everything else she will go through. this didn't have to happen but it is happening now. we have to live with it. she's got to use it to her best, to better herself. >> she did have a couple of duis, they were dangerous situations although she didn't actually hurt anyone, thank god. then she violated the terms of her probation a number of times and the judge said she would be incarcerated. >> larry: do you think she has public sympathy or not? >> i think she doesn't. >> larry: does not. >> i think there are a lot of people ranting and raving about special treatment for celebrities. is there no special treatment here. 50,000 people in los angeles county are released early from jails, just like lindsey will be for overcrowding. we have the most overcrowded jails in the country. there are court ordered caps, and when you reach that number, non-violent offenders get released early.

>> larry: probably 10 to 15 days? >> probably what it is due to overcrowding. we lock everybody up, we don't have the space for them. >> larry: she was in jail before? >> lindsey was? for 84 minutes, i believe. the process itself, chris just said, when i was in jail, chris covered me, ironic, he's reporting on lindsey now. she was in for 84 minutes and the process of going through one door and out the other, the process. but to be subjected like chris said, to searches and the searches are dehumanizing. you made a very good point. a lot of things lindsey lives by are taken away from her now. >> larry: do you ever blame yourself? >> sure, i do. >> larry: feel a lot of guilt tonight? >> yep. >> larry: through your genes, dna? >> stupidity. >> larry: what should you have done? >> i should have reacted in a

lot of ways i did before. with regard to going to prison before and putting my family at risk in that way, leaving dina alone with the children. i went away for criminal contempt. i wouldn't tell on people, but i shouldn't have got involved with those people to begin with. that's one thing. the other thing was this stupidity of fighting with my brother-in-law, men being such an a-s-s to get drunk and drive into a telephone pole. >> larry: we're with michael and lisa after this. i got into one of the most expensive schools in the country! [ male announcer ] when stress gives you heartburn with headache... alka-seltzer gives you relief fast. [ low male ] plop, plop. [ high male ] fizz, fizz.

>> larry: we're back. we're showing you, i believe, there's the prison lindsay lohan is in for the first night of her scheduled stay. it's a jail, not a prison. a prison is where you serve over a year. it is a for felonies. this is a jail. there are people in there not convicted of anything yet, right? awaiting trial? >> right. >> larry: that's what a jail is.

looks pretty nice from the outside. >> wait until you get inside? >> let's not kid ourselves, the overcrowded jails in los angeles are not pleasant. >> larry: what was with that mugshot? what did you read into it? michael. >> go ahead. >> chris mentioned not having any makeup or anything. lindsey doesn't need makeup or hair. >> larry: look at that. what is that, defiance? analyze that. >> i can't, but i see a scared, scared woman. i see her head lowered. i think she's becoming a little more submissive with what's going on with her life. i hope this vacant part of her now, i hope it's filled with only good things. >> larry: what was -- >> i think you can overanalyze a photo. it's like a driver's license photo. just a snap of a few seconds. >> larry: what about f-u on her

fingernail? >> a dark place in her life and people around her. i can't tell you people with her in that court and living with her the night before had to see her doing that. >> larry: if she didn't talk to you and you can't talk to her mother, how do both parents help her? >> dina has got to get -- thank you so much for saying this, i need to talk about this. dina needs to put everything aside, like i have, and she's got to be a mother, there for her daughter, like i want to be a father there for her daughter. why is it on july 4th, she was my best friend, my best friend and two days later when lindsey got sentenced and came out here to california, she wouldn't even pick up a phone call for me. >> we have tried. this is why michael retained me in part, i reached out to the attorneys and to work together. >> larry: what do you make of it? >> i can't speak for dina. i can only speak to michael.

he has consistently been there for dina, refused to take her out partying, to go to rehab. offered to pay for appeal, get the right rehab for her, done the research, talked to detectives and this is michael lohan's case. this is his daughter. i admire him for that. he doesn't give up. it doesn't matter if she doesn't like him or tweets negative things about him. he won't give up. i don't think he will ever give up. >> i won't give up on dina in a million years. >> larry: how well do you know her, lindsey? >> i don't know her at all. i have never spoken to her. she does not want any contact -- >> she needs someone like lisa in her life. >> larry: what is your role? >> i took this case about four months ago because michael came to me and said, i need to save my daughter, i just can't let her die and don't want her to be the hollywood statistic. one option was a

conservatorship. i didn't think she was that bad. she's on probation, under court ordered supervision. as his attorney, i sent several orders to the court asking for stricter control. several months ago, it was only alcohol ed classes she had to do. the only term of her probation. the court took us up on random drug testing, the bracelet, imposed stricter controls. >> larry: let's be real. optimistic or pessimistic? >> optimistic. >> larry: based on? >> based on rehab after she gets out of jail. pessimistic in that i think there will be deeply rooted issues that will stem from being in prison, like there still are in my life, larry. there are things i shoved deep down inside that reared their ugly head sometimes, too. you have to swallow a lot when you're in there. >> you're optimistic. >> you have to be. she's 24 years old, intelligent, beautiful, talented, of course

you have to have optimism she can turn this around. >> larry: you think the public's rooting for her? >> i don't know. she has a lot of fans. i saw a disabled girl come up to her in the courtroom last time around, she embraced her. she has compassion in her heart. >> as a person, she's one of the most wonderful people you will ever meet in your life. >> larry: michael lohan and lisa bloom. >> thank you, larry. >> larry: two of lindsey's friends are here and will tell us why she should not be in jail, next.

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>> larry: joining us now, a photographer, model and star of "double exposure" on bravo. the season finale is tonight. and marcus clink, photographer and star of "double exposure." he's photographed lindsay lohan. both are lindsay lohan's friends and don't think she should be in prison. the two of you were a couple,

right? now, you're friends. >> we're friends. >> we both do the photography together. >> larry: how did you hook up with lindsey? >> we've done many shoots with lindsey. over the years, we've gotten to know her well. recently, we did a photo shoot where she and i got to spend more time talking and suspended quite a bit of time talking. >> larry: did she hire you as a photographer? >> yes. many years. we only work as a dual. >> larry: do you work as her personal photographers or work for companies, like her movie company? >> that's right. we were hired by her record company and hired by her leggings line or magazines. we're assignment photographers. >> larry: what about the rumors? let's deal with it, that you had a physical relationship with her? >> lindsey and i became close and we spent lots of time together. the rumors were very exaggerate. people were saying we were living together for a year. >> larry: did you have a physical relationship with her? >> we had an emotional relationship.

>> larry: that was intimate? >> it was -- it was an intense and spiritual. >> larry: did that affect you, marcus? >> no, not specifically. i mean, we're no longer a couple. we have not been a couple for seven years now. >> larry: no jealousy? >> no, not at all. >> larry: what's she like? what don't we know about her? >> lindsey has a lot of different sides to her. i think the public focuses on the scandals when she's out drinking or those kind of situations. she's actually a very calm person who spends a lot of her time thinking about her work and really focused on being a great actress, watching films, studying art. one of the things that brought us closer was actually talking about my school in india. for 15 years, i founded and supported a school in india. lindsey really wants to make a difference in the world. she wants to be a good role model. i think it's been very hard for

her. >> larry: what do you think is her problem? we all know she's addicted to prescription medication. what's her problem? >> what i'm really sad for her, i look at our career and how we work. we have a great team. we're surrounded by a phenomenal agent, george perez, have a fantastic lawyer. george michaels and a great stylist. we have been working together so long. when i see lindsey, she's alone. she changes people. once in a while, she has a different assistant, different people taking care of her. i feel she's so talented, she's a true natural in front of the camera and in person, she's a very sweet person. i think she needs to be supported. >> larry: you know she needs help. >> she needs help. >> larry: did you ever think of an intervention. >> i really thought what she needs was time way from the cameras, from people following her, from all the intensity of being in a fishbowl. i really feel that lindsey needs

to figure out what she wants for herself. everyone's telling her, she should do this. everyone i talk to thinks they know her, thinks they know what's best for her. no one is really interested in what she thinks is good for her. that's part of the problem. we worked with so many celebrities, beyonce, kanye west, all kinds of great people. being an artist, you have to be very focused and have that kind of crazy focus on what you're doing. i think lindsey really has that. so she doesn't pay attention to the other sides of her life, like where her passport is. >> it benefitted robert down t. do you think jail could help her? >> i don't think so. i think prescription drugs are her problem more than anything else. i'm somebody who loves to go to the gym, like to eat healthy a very long time. i think that's what she would need. if i could, i would take her to

the gym. >> larry: she needs rehab. >> yes. i think she needs somebody she can trust. that's probably one of her biggest problems. >> larry: if you drive under the influence intoxicated you could kill someone. >> absolutely. >> larry: someone's got to pay for something like that. >> absolutely. lindsey needs to make big changes in her life. i don't think jail will change her. she needs to change herself and that has to be a decision she comes to. having people around her who can be good influences would certainly help and good supporters, a good team that can take care of some of the basic things so she can focus on -- >> larry: when did you talk to her last? >> it's been a little while. we had a twitter war. >> larry: a war? >> a twitter war. >> larry: what's a twitter war? >> it means she was upset about the way she was portrayed on our show, which it was a docuseries.

they filmed her coming 11 hours late to our shoot and she was upset that was shown. and had nothing to do with us. >> do you think she's mad at you now? you're sticking up for her here tonight. >> i'm sticking up for her because i believe in her as a person. we've had our differences. we get along fine most of the time. she's someone under a lot of pressure. i think it's natural she will have those ups and downs. >> larry: you genuinely like her? >> she has a very good heart. in tonight's episode of our show, you can see her visiting us at our exhibit. for many years, she's been there for us. she believes in our work. i really truly believe in her as a talent, as an artist. >> larry: thank you for coming forward. i like people no matter what who stick up for other people. >> thank you for having us. >> larry: a well-known crisis handler and addiction expert and criminal defense attorney all here next. granola nut clusters from nature valley.

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>> larry: we welcome back howard bragman to "larry king live," in forred and ceo of 15 minutes, crisis management expert. dr. drew pinsky, host at vh1, addiction expert. and at the courthouse today. will jail change her, howard? >> god, i hope so. she really needs it. had so many chances, taking all

the outside stimulus away, taking her ability to tweet away, taking the media away, all these voice is in her ears, i really really pray for her, it does. >> larry: at what point, doctor, does she accept she has a problem? when does that occur? >> if i could figure that out, i could win a nobel prize. that moment of making people willing is so difficult in addiction. people can't get well until they're willing to get well. for most people, it is disgust, it is a belief they are going to die if they don't change direction and sometimes it's a significant loss, like a loss offer freedom or loss of children. i do know plenty of people that do get sober in jail when they have a chance to think about the fact of what they've done and how they've gotten there but not the usual story. >> larry: do they need a crisis point? >> they need a turning point. they all have a moment. she may have experienced that moment. she looked somewhat accepting in court and not fighting it so much. >> larry: the judge said no house arrest and no early

release. do you think she will do 90 days? >> i don't think there's any chance she will do 90 days, in reality, i'm not sure she will do more than two weeks. the judge said, this is a 90 day sentence. i can't control when the sheriffs will release you, typically, given the circumstance, a non-violent offender, doesn't have much of a record, will probably be released in u under two weeks or so. >> larry: paris jail was at that jail in linwood. here's what she told me in 2007. >> larry: the purpose of jail is to teach a lesson, at least that's a big part of it. did it work for you? >> it definitely was a view traumatic experience. but i feel like god does make everything happen for a reason. it gave me, you know, a time-out in life just to really find out what is important and what i want to do, figure out who i am. even though it was really hard,

i took that time to get to know myself. >> larry: think it changed you? >> definitely. i have a new outlook on life. >> larry: did it happen quickly or happen over a period of time? >> the beginning was really hard. really hard for me, it's kind of a blur, it was so traumatic. after being there a while, i had to accept, i could either make the best of it or make the worst of it. i went with the motto, don't serve the time, let the time serve you. i did that and it really helped. >> larry: what does crisis management recommend, if you're sitting with lindsay lohan, let's say she's out, getting through rehab, how does she get it all back? >> you know, there's this myth out there a really good pr guy or crisis manager can fix everything. i can't want to fix it more than she wants to fix herself. that's the biggest thing. if she comes out and she says, i have a problem, i'm ready to go to rehab, i'm ready to confront

it, she spends some time in rehab, comes out and starts living a clean and sober life for a while, then you can begin to get traction on the new life. >> larry: did you try to get her on your show, drew? >> i'm actually involved in casting and believe people have reached out to her the last couple of years. >> larry: legally, should she have asked for appeal? this is dispute here. >> i heard lisa earlier, larry. lisa makes a good point. the reality is a lawyer is required to zealously represent the interests of that client, zealously preserve their liberty. >> larry: what if the lawyer doesn't think it's an a good idea. >> if the lawyer doesn't think -- i don't know it wasn't a good idea in this case. the truth is there was some disparity. whether you agree with what judge revel's sentence was or not, it was -- i like this judge, been in front of her numerous times and think she is a very good judge.

this was a sentence that far exceeded what a person under the normal circumstances would have been given had they not been a celebrity. >> larry: really? >> that's the truth. she violated her probation nine different ways no question. i'm not defending lindsey. under normal circumstance, if you are in substantial compliance, generally speaking going to classes, any class lindsey missed she made up, she literally completed most of that sentence, she had some hiccup no question about it. i think everything the judge said was accurate. the judge was justifiably upset with her. the truth is, larry, typically in most courts in this state, most judges would not have issued a sentence that was effectively a 180 day sentence. remember, this isn't just a 90 day sentence in jail where she will serve two weeks, this is a 180 day sentence because when she leaves jail, she has another 90 day sentence she has to serve relative to the rehabilitation program i think is justified but

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>> larry: let's check in with anderson cooper who will host "ac360" at the top of the hour. what's our lead, anderson? >> breaking news, just released, the video of shirley sherrod, her reputation and job, smeared by allegations of racism and condemned by naacp. the truth and whole truth. we'll play the just released video and the original video released and the full video and introduce you to miss sherrod and let you decide. plus billions of dollars at stake, we tried to get an answer from bp and why there may never be a definitive number of how much oil was spilled in the gulf. we got the run around and resistance, couldn't get a straight answer. >> larry: anderson cooper, 10:00

p.m. eastern, 7:00 pacific. let's get back to lindsay lohan. >> i'm surprised about whether they were going to file an appeal, that is a decision the lawyer will make, a strategy one. i think i probably would not have filed an appeal, i certainly would have filed some kind of motion, some kind of paper with this judge, urging this judge to allow lindsey to go to rehabilitation drug rehab first. >> larry: i think that's what robert shapiro wanted to do. >> i've known robert shapiro a long time. you know as well as anyone, robert shapiro feels strongly, passionate about the issue of drug rehabilitation. he's been touched by this issue. i'm surprised the lawyers involved in this case in the end did not make the decision to appeal to this court, this judge, to allow her to go to drug rehabilitation to complete that before she starts this sentence. >> larry: you know robert very well. do you think he gets a bad rap here? >> anyone who knows robert knows he has great legal integrity,

great mind and legal talent about this subject. if there is a problem between lindsey and robert, i'm on robert's side with this. she was the one who stepped out of line. >> larry: there is a second act in america, isn't there? >> always. we like that as well -- >> larry: america forgives after it knocks and picks up. >> absolutely. >> larry: if she turns it around, downie is the best example, can she come all the way back, two years from now, lindsay lohan stars in -- >> there is no doubt in my mind. i said this from the first time i was aware this young woman had a problem. i can see the recovery in her, the richness of this human being. i know she will make a wonderful recovering person and has this natural talent that will come flooding forth and flourishing again in a ways we've never seen even. but how far down will she have to go and will she survive? only she can determine that. >> larry: are these difficult clients to represent? >> you know -- >> larry: clients with

addiction? >> i've represented a lot. >> let me answer that. yes. >> i've represented a lot of celebrities, the shannon doherties and they're good people and i enjoyed representing them. however, they do march to their own drumbeat. you know, they, you know, are -- feel they are entitled to some things. they march to the beat of their own drum. they're not necessarily difficult clients but different clients and you have been toe careful. this issue of her coming back and having that second act, remember, she's still going to be under the thumb of this judge when she gets out from under this. this isn't the end for lindsay. she'll have to stay straight, walk a straight line or she'll be right back in the same position and we'll be right back here talking about the same issues again. >> larry: what about her career, howard? >> if she was just some minor act actor, nobody would care. she can open movies. she is a great talent. five or ten years from now, she

could have an academy award, she's that good. think about it. the young people who are watching her now and watching this drama play out grew up on her movies. they love this kid. and the research supports exactly what dr. drew said, and that is -- they call them the regeneration. if you go through rehab, you re-create yourself, they will accept you again. >> larry: why were you shaking your head? >> i was just thinking, she has to not be concerned with that resurrection. she has to be concerned only with her sobriety. when robert downey went into sobriety in earnest, he contemplated not working again. that's when people become sober. >> larry: like alcoholics, will these people always call themselves addicts? >> absolutely. >> larry: lifetime addicts? if they understand their condition. it's a chronic disease like diabetes, requires daily management like diabetes. >> larry: they can go back any time? >> always. but they -- as long as they, just like a diabetic taking

their insulin, practice their sobriety, it works. >> larry: this is an epidemic, is it not? >> it is. >> what can the law do? >> the law has to serve a number of functions, larry. the truth of the matter is that the law is intended to rehabilitate, but also intended to punish. these are the circumstances where the law, and i think this judge, has made an effort to rehabilitate lindsay, and she's also intending to punish. naeds to that, the law is also designed, larry, to send a message and that's clearly what's happening in this case. anybody watching has to look at this and say i don't want to get out of line. if i do, and if i do the kinds of things that lindsay lohan did, it doesn't matter who i am. the fact, i could be facing a very substantial jail sentence that could be very, very difficult. >> larry: we'll take a break and come back with some remaining moments with howard bradman, dr. drew pisky and welcome to the world of lovaza, where nature meets science.

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>> larry: howard, frankly, is michael lohan a part of the problem? he surely loves his daughter. >> i've had a lot of -- i've had a lot of young actors who have problems and it almost always goes back to the parents. lindsay has expressly asked her father not to discuss her. i feel like it's her life and his number one goal -- >> larry: he shouldn't be talking about her? >> his number one goal should be having a relationship with his daughter. he loves his daughter but, god, he loves cameras true. >> i think he's willing to sacrifice the relationship to save her life. >> larry: what role do parents play? >> quite a bit. it's a genetic disorder. >> larry: he had it himself. >> they feel guilt that they may have passed that along.

>> but he's building a wall by going on tv. >> to save her life. he is doing what he thinks he needs to do to save her life. having been an addict is a traumatic environment to grow up in. that's the second hit that often creates -- >> if he had shown up in his cloth and ashes -- he shows up with his entourage, has his lawyer and video grapher. i'm not buying it. this guy is in love with the attention. >> larry: the greatest lawyer who ever lived, close friend of mine, he die d in '88, so different times now. he would never let a client, relative or anyone appear anywhere. only the lawyer speaks. no one else speaks. would that hold true today? >> it can hold true today. >> larry: is that a good idea today? >> it depends. i think it depends on whether or not the client speaking puts the client's legal position in jeopardy. and, you know, look, i think --

>> larry: he wouldn't take the bet. >> look at this. tom messereau, fantastic lawyer who you know well. he left robert blake, left working for him because robert blake decided he was going to give an interview to "good morning america." those kinds of things happen. there are some lawyers who really draw that line in the sand that, listen, if you want me to represent you, your legal position is in jeopardy, then don't talk. i tend to take that position with regard to most of my clients. >> larry: is it difficult for you to come in on clients you don't examine? >> no more than it is to look at a symptom of medical conditions and say i -- >> larry: you don't know what's in lindsay's head? >> it affects people in highly predictable ways. in terms of helping the public understand what they're watching, i got involved in commentating because people would say how come they can't

2350i7 find a relationship? it's this addiction. people need to understand what it is. >> larry: do we know how many people are addicted in america? do we have any statistics? >> tens of millions. >> that's right, tens of millions. >> larry: the most is prescription drugs? >> where we're losing the ground most rapidly is prescription drugs. >> larry: someone is kiting these? >> no, no. >> larry: playing doctor against doctor? >> sometimes it's how we practice medicine, unwittingly sabotage the disease of addiction, and some of the younger generation sees it their parents' medicine cabinet and grabs it out of there after a wisdon tooth. >> how does she get help with that in jail? >> i don't know. i understand there are units within the jail that can detox her. i understand some people get the sensations with r they can get the drugs. she may cold turkey it in jail. i don't know the system well enough to know how that works. >> larry: would it be hard to be a cris