>> do we have -- there we go. "360" dancers. >> beautiful. >> enough of that. i have to sleep tonight. oh, seaman ship. that's the original. this was actually a commercial for the japanese naval defense forces. >> yeah. >> okay. hey, that's it for "360." thanks for watching. i'll see you tomorrow. i'll see you tomorrow. larry king starts now. >> larry: tonight -- immigration showdown. pimmigration showdown. >> larry: tonight, immigration showdown. a federal judge tells arizona not so fast. blocking key parts of the state's anti-immigration law from going into effect tomorrow. did she gut the whole law? or just doing her job? plus, president obama's view on the daytime talk show. kind of historic first. driving critics crazy.

then jack hanna, face-to-face in the wilderness with three bears, big ones could have killed him in an instant. what did he do? tell us all about it, jack. next -- on "larry king live." >> larry: good evening. jim gilchrist is founder and president of the minuteman project. their aim, to prevent illegal immigration across the southern united states border. jorge ramos is an anchor for univision and author of "a country for all: an immigrant manifesto." they're on opposite sides of the immigration issue. it came to a head today when judge susan bolton granted a temporary injunction that prevents police from questioning people about their immigration status. she's also blocked a provision that would make it a crime to fail to apply for or carry alien registration papers. all for an unauthorized alien to solicit, apply for or perform work. these provisions were to go into effect less than 24 hours from now in arizona. you disagreed i guess with her decision, jim.

why? >> i certainly disagreed. i feel the statement she made to the american public is that the united states is no longer a nation governed by laws. the rule of law essentially is meaningless. certainly to jane and joe average america out there. and i believe there's a lot of pandering being involved here. and it's coming down from the obama administration. and that is to -- >> larry: they had nothing to do with a federal judge's decision. >> i -- >> larry: you're not questioning a federal judge -- >> not really, not -- but i do believe there's certainly some influence coming down from obama for her to defeat arizona's attempt to re-establish itself as a sovereign state. >> larry: jorge, i gather you agreed with this. it is, jorge, though, just a temporary injunction. it can be released in two days if they file an appeal to it, right? >> right, it can change anytime.

the important thing is that for hispanics and for immigrants it's a step in the right direction, but it is simply not enough. because what we're doing right now, larry, is managing a problem, not finding a long-term solution. president barack obama promised he was going to have an immigration bill during his first year in office, and he broke a promise. but democrats don't have the political courage right now to push for immigration reform in congress, and republicans -- republicans are missing in action on immigration. where are the 11 republicans that voted for immigration three years ago? this is not a democratic or republican issue. this is an american issue. and we don't have immigration reform right now. so the news today, and that's the tragedy, the news today is that nothing, absolutely nothing, has changed. everything's still the same. and i still can't believe that the most powerful country in the world is persecuting the most vulnerable. 11 million people. >> larry: george bush also supported immigration laws that you would have disagreed with. >> that's true. >> certainly did. it was a -- >> larry: hold it. go ahead, jim. >> i was a staunch opponent of president bush, as well as

obama. >> larry: one of the things in this law that's puzzling, that she pointed out is -- and a police officer was on a recent show discussing it. you can just stop a person on the street and just question who they are based on the way they look or their appearance? >> no. no. larry, the misconception from coast to coast on this law that was written by and crafted by one of the most well-renowned scholars in immigration and constitutional law. kris kobach. what has been missing is that the rule of law is absolutely blind to race, color, creed, age -- >> but it's not a misconception. >> -- sexual preference, whatever -- >> larry: so why were so many cops upset with this, saying it would put them in a difficult position? >> i'm sorry, who is upset? >> larry: cops. >> police? some police, perhaps they don't want to enforce the rule of law. perhaps -- >> larry: but the rule of law is it's okay to stop a citizen and question them. >> i would say no. no, i would hold a line -- if

that person is conducting him or herself in a manner that would require law enforcement to question that person or intercept that person, certainly. dui driving. responding to an officer "no hablo english," "gringo, go back to europe." obviously, there's an issue there that probably the person may be illegal and perhaps the officer should pursue that. >> larry: jorge, you don't want more illegal immigrants coming in, do you? >> well, first of all, i don't call them illegal immigrants because many people by using the term illegal they might think they're criminals or they're terrorists. i think we can agree on many things. we can agree the system is broken. responding to your question, nobody likes undocumented immigration, not even undocumented immigrants. but i think we can also agree with the fact that we cannot separate families. i think we can all agree that we can't deport 11 million people. and i think we can agree that we have to do something about it. he was talking about what

happens with latinos and with immigrants in this country. it's not a misperception. if you are african-american or hispanic in new york, you are more likely to be detained by the police according to "the new york times" and according to aclu here in arizona, if you're hispanic, you're simply more likely to be detained also by the police simply because of the color of your skin or maybe because an accent just like mine, an accent in english. so the fact that they are immigrants -- again, something has to be done on immigration. and the decision taken today in arizona is an important one. but it is simply not enough. again, this -- >> larry: jim -- >> -- this country was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, larry. and right now there are many, many millions of people in the united states who are not being treated equally. >> larry: jim, isn't it a federal problem? not an arizona problem? >> no, it's an arizona problem. it's a california problem. it's a problem for every state in the union. all 50 states, united states, are now border states. don't believe me? ask -- >> larry: so therefore, isn't it a federal problem? >> peter palumbo from

providence, rhode island, or the rhode island area, who's putting together the very first delegation of republican politicians and democratic politicians -- this man is a democrat -- bringing them to arizona to tour the border and hopefully to have an audience with governor brewer to show their support. this is -- i would call it a phenomenon. both parties historically have fought each other over this issue. now we've got this peter palumbo from rhode island who's bringing both parties together to solve this problem under the rule of law. >> larry: think it's pretty sure we're going to use the supreme court on this? >> absolutely. it will be tested at the u.s. supreme court and i think the supreme court will show that arizona was correct. >> larry: jorge, do you think it's going to the supreme court, too? >> it might go to the supreme court but i'd rather -- i would rather have it go to congress. i mean, if they have enough -- if they have 60 votes to extend unemployment benefits, if they have 60 votes for financial reform, if they have 60 votes to get a new justice in the supreme

court, how come they can't get 60 votes for immigration reform? i don't think it's an arizona problem, i don't think it's a california problem. it's an american problem -- >> larry: we'll have a lot more time for this. we've got a lot of guests. thank you, jorge. thanks, jim. >> thank you, larry. thank you, jorge. >> larry: two arizona sheriffs face off over the ruling, next. [meow] desperate for nighttime heartburn relief? for many, nexium helps relieve heartburn symptoms caused by acid reflux disease. and for the majority of patients with prescription coverage for nexium, it can cost $30 or less per month. headache, diarrhea, and abdominal pain are possible side effects of nexium. other serious stomach conditions may still exist. ask your doctor if nexium can help relieve your heartburn symptoms. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. just to make phone calls. but when at&t or verizon offer you an unlimited plan for $69.99, that's all it's good for -- phone calls. with sprint, for the same price, you get unlimited text, unlimited web and unlimited calling to every mobile phone in america.

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victory or defeat for the state of arizona today? >> well, obviously, it's a little bump in the road, i believe. and that you know, until i get my whole arms around it we don't really exactly know where we're going to go.

we knew regardless of what happened today, of course, one side or the other side was going to appeal. >> larry: by the way, some aspects of the law will take effect tomorrow. joining us now, sheriff clarence w. dupnik. he is sheriff of pimma county, arizona. and sheriff larry dever, sheriff of cochise county, arizona. he and another sheriff, by the way, were named in the aclu's lawsuit seeking to block enforcement of arizona's immigration law. all right, sheriff dupnik, wlar clarence, what did you make of that ruling today? >> well, i think most of us anticipated that that's precisely what was going to happen. and it did. >> larry: did you agree or disagree? >> i agree with it. i don't think the states should preempt the federal constitution. i think president obama, or any other president, for that matter, has a responsibility to protect the constitution. he intervened, in my opinion, appropriately. and so far a federal judge agrees with him.

>> larry: does this law -- had it gone into effect -- make it tougher on your law enforcement officers? >> in one sense it would. but let me say this, larry, for the last two months, we've had scores of lawyers poring over this particular piece of legislation and ultimately have given us several options. and one of the options was that there's nothing in the law that preclude us from enforcing the federal law, which in my case we've been doing for 52 years. if we enforce the federal law, we run across illegal aliens, we turn them over to the border patrol and the border patrol takes care of it. this law -- >> larry: sheriff -- >> -- if we enforce it -- >> larry: i'm sorry. go ahead. finish what you were saying. >> if we enforce this law, instead of turning them over to the border patrol, we'd have to put them in the pima county jail. we'd have to subject the criminal justice system locally to dealing with these hundreds

and thousands of people ultimately. we would overwhelm the system. we would put the jail into a crisis. and at the end of this, which is a minor misdemeanor, we would have to turn them over to the border patrol and send the taxpayers a huge bill. now, why would we want to do that? >> larry: sheriff dever, what do you make of what sheriff dupnik had to say? >> well, a couple things i disagree with. one is, and based on the fact since september 11th the federal government, department of homeland security, has been on a mission to reach out to state and local law enforcement agencies to partner, to empower us, to help support the homeland security mission. and if it has to do with drugs, it has to do with firearms, if it has to do with terrorists, if we become engaged and involved and identify and take action on any of that, we get commendations and awards. and stood up and said wonderful. now it comes to illegal immigration and we're not

supposed to act or do anything? there's something fundamentally wrong with that. i do agree with sheriff dupnik, and that is we have -- sheriffs at least have sufficient authority to enforce the law as stands. that's been vetted through the courts as it is. police chiefs, police officers and sheriffs don't have the luxury of having thousands of border patrol agents in their counties to turn people over to. we've been doing that for 34 years i've been in this business. clarence has been in a lot longer than i have. but i did that the first year of office when i was a deputy. we'll continue to do it today. regardless of what the statute says. but the practical application of it and the benefit was about to occur in the interior of the state, where other organizations saw their way clear to help partner -- to help partner with the federal government in securing our homeland. >> larry: sheriff dupnik, that

sounds like it makes sense, there aren't a lot of border patrol agents to turn them over to in the middle of the state. >> well, ultimately, they have to be turned over to i.c.e. or the border patrol after the local system is done with them. >> and that's true, but i.c.e. also has discretion and option to accept them or not and i think this law put them in a position where they felt like, and rightfully so, they were going to have to expand and extend their efforts to resolve this illegal alien problem that we have. >> larry: the judge said today there was a substantial likelihood it would result in wrongful arrest of legal residents. sheriff dever, do you agree with that? >> not at all. we haven't had any of those claims except for maybe a handful in the 34 years i've been in this business. >> larry: no, but she said if that law passed that would happen. >> why would it?

police officers are trained from the very first hour, the very first day, in police training 101. the basic tenets and understanding -- basic tenets and constraints of reasonable suspicion and probable cause. that law -- this law didn't change any of that. that was still required and actually emphasized under this law, that those conditions have to apply. there has to be a precipitating event, that a stand-alone immigration charge is not going to work under this existing legislation. >> larry: thank you for the all too brief time. we're going to spend a lot more time on this in the days ahead, and we expect to have both sheriffs back on, maybe for a longer time, to discuss this. the debate's just beginning. a panel joins us next. ♪ [ woman ] when i grow up, i want to take him on his first flight. i want to run a marathon. i'm going to work with kids. i'm going to own my own restaurant. when i grow up, i'm going to start a band. [ female announcer ] at aarp we believe you're never done growing. thanks, mom. i just want to get my car back.

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>> larry: let me welcome our panel. ben stein, economist, attorney, former presidential speechwriter, columnist for "fortune" magazine, and author of "the little book of bulletproof investing." our pal stephanie miller, progressive talk radio host of her own program.

alfonso aguilar, executive director of the latino partnership for conservative principles. and aisha tyler, actress, author, and activist. ben, what did you think of the judge's ruling today? >> well, she's just a person who puts on a robe. she doesn't necessarily know any more than the next person. there will be lots and lots of other -- >> larry: the same as a supreme court judge. >> exactly right. there will be -- >> larry: what's your point? >> my point is this is just the beginning of a long, complicated process. it will be decided by the principles of the next set of judges. it's an incredibly unbelievably difficult problem to solve. no judge is going to solve it overnight. no legislature. not even the congress. >> larry: so you have no opinion on the injunction? >> i think the injunction was silly. i think it was silly. but i don't put much faith in it because it's not going to last very long. somebody will dissolve it and put in a new set of principles. the supreme court will almost certainly at some point overrule it. we've got this big rich country here and a very poor set of countries next to us. people in the poor countries want to come in here. it's a giant problem. >> larry: what do you do, stephanie? >> well, larry, what he means is she's a person in a robe who

made a decision that is other than what ben stein would have decided. so clearly it must be wrong. >> i didn't say it was wrong. i just said it was different from what the next decision's going to be. >> the right wing is always screaming, larry, about we're a nation of laws. we're a nation of laws. well, guess what? we're a nation of laws. and this is unconstitutional -- >> larry: but they disagree with it -- >> that's my point, judges don't make laws. and have them -- >> you cannot have a patchwork quilt. you have to have comprehensive immigration reform. >> the next judge will say we can have a patchwork quilt. that's how judges work. judges are not all -- >> then she'll be a judge in a black robe you agree with. >> larry: i'll come back to the two of you in a minute. alfonso, where do you stand on this? >> look, i agree with the decision. immigration is a federal issue. and we don't want to see, as stephanie says, a patchwork of immigration -- a state -- >> larry: you're a conservative who agrees with the decision? >> yes. but because of preemption. i don't agree with obama's

argument that the law would have led to massive discrimination. he files a lawsuit with the justice department arguing pre-emption, not discrimination. why did he do it? the lawsuit is a political ploy. obama's concerned the latinos are losing faith in him because he promised he was going to do something on immigration the first year of his administration and he didn't do it. he talks about he's for immigration reform. he gives a speech at american university in july of an election year. is he really committed? of course not. and he talks about legalization but he says nothing about a guest worker program. >> please, you really think he's going to get one iota of cooperation from the republicans on -- >> absolutely. >> please. >> if he shows presidential leadership he'll have republicans step forward. george bush got over 25 republicans supporting immigration -- >> but he would have -- >> because of obama -- >> but alfonso, who would it -- >> i'm sorry. immigration reform didn't pass under george w. bush because of obama. because of obama? he's one senator. >> larry: hold on. hold on. hold on! you're losing the host. when you lose the host, we're in

trouble. aisha, what do you think? >> i think there are three points to make here. first of all, is if you are a strict constructionalist, which most conservatives are, this was a constructionalist decision. it was based on constitutional principles of pre-emption and the state stepping in an area that is not their jurisdiction legally. that's the first thing. the second thing is the reason the government sued on those grounds is that's all they needed to sue on. they didn't need to sue secondarily on grounds of discrimination. even if that would have been the effect of the law. all they needed to do was prove pre-emption, which they did. tertiarily i agree with you this is a huge problem. the last administration with a republican president and republican congress could not solve. and what you have are conservatives who are more interested in being right than doing what's right. and if they were really interested in collaborating with the president on this you would not have all of the conservatives moving farther to the right now, farther to the right -- >> the president has not -- >> a guy who has always been pro reform -- >> the president has not reached out to the -- >> larry: what is -- give me -- >> i --

>> larry: give me -- >> i'm like aisha just said, who do you reach out to? john mccain, who was on the mccain-kennedy immigration bill who dpunts want anything to do with an immigration bill? >> when george bush was president, he said his top cabinet members, secretary gutierrez to negotiate directly with the democratic leadership. that is presidential leadership. >> larry: i'm going to take a break. when we get back i'm going to ask the panel to give me their law. what would they say should be the law? we'll also talk about president obama making history on "the view." and we've got a clip coming up. don't go away.

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wl >> larry: stephanie, a law. >> every time i come here i want to marry ben stein. pretty much what he said. yes. comprehensive immigration reform. we've got to close the borders. but there has to be a path to citizenship. i'm not as crazy a liberal as ronald reagan. i mean, i wouldn't talk about that kind of amnesty. but the last time we didn't pass anything we automatically gave how many millions of people amnesty. let's get something done now. that's what this arizona law is. it gives us an opportunity. >> larry: alfonso. >> we need a free market solution. we need legalization with a penalty. not amnesty. have people come forward, accept they've done something wrong, pay a penalty. we need to strengthen border security. and we need a guest worker program. demand-based. and obama opposes a guest worker program. >> larry: those people who are already here illegally can stay -- >> give them path toward legal status. >> larry: if you can't, deport them. >> right. but at the end the key is go to the root of the problem, which is an incredible demand our economy has for foreign workers. the unions don't want to see more guest worker programs. that's why obama and the democrat leadership -- >> please, we have an illegal employer problem. not an illegal --

>> come on. >> larry: aisha, who by the way has a new short film called "committed" on her facebook page. she's the face of lana on fx's "archer." >> larry: yes. >> yes. >> larry: i've got to get that in. give me your law. >> actually agree with most of what's been said here. at this end of the panel. and we can kind of do some kind of polygamy thing with him later. i would -- oh, god. that was a terrible mental picture. what i would like to say is the two things i agree most with are we need a clear, concise, easy path to citizenship and we need to accept the fact that our economy does not work without cheap labor. i think people want to deny the fact that when you go to the mega mall and you want 5 t-shirts for a dollar and you want your carton of strawberries to be $1.99 and you want prices to be low that requires cheap labor. yeah, i think we have this obstructionist position with the unions, but most of their jobs are going to china. mexicans aren't taking those jobs. >> don't you think the unions are controlling this administration?

president obama when he spoke from american university -- >> no. >> -- he didn't say anything about a guest worker program. >> he's got the unions upset many times. >> obama's proposal is legalization and that is not immigration reform. >> i think it is a key part of all of this. >> there are also big problems about crime from illegals, burdening the health system, the educational system. the educational, health and criminal justice systems here in southern cal have been demolished in large part by illegal aliens. something has to be done about that too. >> that's poverty. >> larry: not easily solved. let's discuss some other things. president obama taped an appearance on "the view" today. it will air tomorrow. and a lot of republicans and others are upset, saying should a president be going on a daytime basically talk show in which they just kick -- four women kick things around? >> his weekly address is on youtube, which isn't really that discerning. i mean, have you checked out the youtube lately? anything can get on there. you know, larry, as you know, we're in a new age in this --

internet and youtube and whatever age. i think you have to reach your audience however you can. and you know, i certainly wouldn't cast any dispersions on barbara walters. >> larry: are you critical of him, alfonso? >> i don't watch "the view." i don't think -- >> lies, alfonso. >> no, it's true. i don't think it looked very presidential. i think we need certain standards. and the president is the president. he's the head of state, head of government. and he should behave accordingly. i don't -- >> larry: aisha? >> i think you're right. i don't think it looked very presidential. but what i will say is there is such a glut of information nowadays. it is so hard to connect with people. he is a populist president. he's a grassroots president. he connected with people in grassroots ways. and this is a way of cutting through just the ad nauseam press conferences and releases and daily briefings and try to speak to americans in an informal way. >> you know what i blame for this primarily? larry king's impending retirement. he's got to go somewhere. where are you going to go? >> larry: i'm not retiring. i'm leaving this show but i'm not retiring. >> i'm just saying. >> i'm curious to know why does this question even come up? it's a legitimate show.

it's its staff and -- >> larry: well, it's the republicans who are complaining saying -- >> i don't understand why. the people on the show are quite intelligent people. the people who write for the show are quite intelligent people. i don't think there's anything even slightly wrong with him being on the show. i don't even understand why the question comes up. it's a perfectly respectable show. >> larry: all right, alfonso. defend your position. >> because we want a discussion of ideas. obama is the master of pr politics. change. what does change mean? nobody knows. but we need to have him speak from the podium at the white house -- >> which he does. >> -- to talk about specific ideas. we were just -- >> historic health care mean historic health care reform. it means historic financial reform. that's what change means. >> what's the problem with him being on a show in which all of the interviewers are women? i just don't understand why there's even -- why is that even the slightest problem? i don't understand why it's -- >> is there not enough testicles for you? >> no, i think we need to have an environment -- >> just asking. >> i think we need to have an environment where we can have a serious discussion that's not about --

>> but all presidents go on silly shows. this isn't even a particularly silly show. "the view" is actually a very smart show. very serious issues are raised -- >> go on late-night shows. >> i think we're overanalyzing this way too much. i don't think it looked presidential -- >> larry: his popularity rating is low at this point. >> yes. >> larry: but reagan's was low, too, in the first two years. >> it's equivalent, i think. >> larry: and they both had economic problems that they faced. so you can't -- can he rebound? >> oh, absolutely, if the economy starts to turn around, he can definitely rebound. he's a wizard campaigner. he's a wizard blender in with crowds. he's a wizard whipper up of crowds. the question can the economy rebound? that's the real question. we are really up a certain kind of creek without a paddle at this point. we don't know what to do. we don't know whether to cut expenditures, spend more. we don't know whether to print more money, print less money. we just don't know what to do at this point. we are in a very difficult position. and that's the issue. can we rebound? >> larry: aisha -- >> well, if we could win ben stein's money, perhaps we could. >> larry: that was a good show.

do you agree with him? >> i agree. i think he's following a similar parallel to reagan. i think obviously reagan rebounded. i think he's got to continue to connect with people and put his ideas forth, the ideas that people connected with originally. i think he's making progress. i think he has passed some pretty legendary reforms. some pretty historical reform over the last couple of years. he had a huge job. and i think you have this guy, you know, sitting in front of a certain kind of mountain with a very tiny spoon and everybody's mad he hasn't moved the whole thing in 18 months. >> people just -- >> larry: alfonso? >> i agree with ben. it depends on the economy. but also, he needs to prove to latinos, a major constituency, that he's honest with them. and so far they feel that he has betrayed them. >> what are the republicans doing to woo the -- >> really, honestly? >> honestly. one thing. give me one example. >> i'll give you senator -- future senator carly fiorina. these are republicans who are exciting, who are staunch -- >> wait, wait, carly fiorina's not in office. what are republicans doing right now to step forward and actively engage on this issue? >> there are a bunch of republicans that are for the

free market that believe in immigration. if the president's serious about immigration reform, they will come forward. but he hasn't reached out to republicans. this whole talk of bipartisanship -- >> i disagree -- >> summits and statements -- >> look, barack obama is no ronald reagan. ronald reagan stood for principle. this guy stands for polls. >> he's not nearly as liberal as ronald reagan. he's never said complete amnesty. >> here's the difference between him and ronald reagan -- >> he's controlled by the unions. >> you can prove quantitatively that these republicans have filibustered, have been more obstructionist than any in -- >> ronald reagan never went around the world apologizing for america. ronald reagan was proud to be an american at every single instant of his being. and it does not say -- >> the president is proud -- >> humility is not shame. humility is not shame. >> apologizing for americans -- >> accepting responsibility for something is not the same -- >> apologizing for america is not what a president should do. >> -- based on big government.

there's a revolt in this government against -- >> larry: let me get a break and -- >> there's a difference between apologizing and apologizing for george bush's america, which we should apologize for. sorry. >> larry: we'll be right back with more. don't go away.

>> larry: let's touch some other bases. are the republicans going to get control of the house, ben? >> they have a chance of it. but i think this tea party is going to be mostly a negative for them. it's going to split the republican vote. i think there will be independent candidates who will hurt the party. i'm worried about it. i think they'll make gains. but take control of it?

i think it's a tiny bit far-fetched. >> larry: how about the senate, stephanie? >> well, first of all, i disagree with ben. i think the tea party's great for the republican party. and they ought to embrace it -- and they ought to spoon with them. they should spoon with them right up until november. i think the senate's going to be a tough one. i really think, you know, larry, a lot of these -- aisha was just talking about the president. have you noticed every media storyline's been wrong? all the way through the campaign? it's like yeah, i know, i got it. the democrats are going to take a beating. barack obama's a one-term president. i think all of it is being overstated. >> larry: what do you see, alfonso? >> well, i agree with the white house spokesperson, robert gibbs. i think republicans are going to win the house. there are about 40 seats in play here. and i think we have a very good chance of winning the house. the senate is going to be tougher. i think we can win eight seats. if we win three more and go up to 11, we win the senate. so there's a real chance of the senate. i think the house, we're getting very close. >> larry: aisha? >> there are always midterm gains. there are always midterm gains. calling the gain of a few seats some kind of massive ideological

victory -- >> the entire house? >> i don't think you're going to get the entire house. >> 40 seats? >> the opposing party always gets seats at midterm. >> i think in 2002, the republicans did pick up seats. i think that was a rare exception. >> if you look, historically, there's always an opposing party gain at midterm. >> larry: that was 9/11. >> that was 9/11. >> there's always a gain but not a huge win. republicans in '94 with -- >> they're not going to sweep, get control of the congress back. >> this is starting to sound like 1994 all over again. >> he's a hopeful man. and i like that about him. he actually thinks that carly fiorina's going to win. >> she's going to win -- carly fiorina's a great candidate. barbara boxer -- >> we just had a poll today in california. the more people get to know carly fiorina the less they like her. >> run out of a company for driving it into the ground. >> they just did a poll and people like boxer's hair better than they like carly fiorina's hair. they forced her out.

>> it always goes for the democrats. already 32% to 39% latino voters in california saying they're willing to vote for carly fiorina. that is a margin of victory. >> somebody who ran a company into the ground, outsourced thousands of jobs -- >> larry: can anything happen in the next few months to change something? >> i'd say, god forbid, a terrible terrorist incident to which obama responds strongly and powerfully. i'd say if there's evidence of a turning of the tide on inflation -- sorry, on unemployment, that would be an incredible miracle for mr. obama and for the very, very unfortunate unemployed. i'd say if he does something -- gives a heroic speech about something. there are many things that could turn the tide about him. he is a very resilient, adaptable guy. i think he can turn everything around. >> larry: future republican that could beat him. >> i know you scoffed at this. >> larry: i love hailey barbour for years -- >> he's one of the smartest guys i've ever met. he speaks like he's the rednecks of rednecks. but he says very smart things. he's never been quoted as saying a racist thing in his life. i think he's -- >> i like that that's a point --

>> incredibly, incredibly, incredibly smart guy, good campaigner. >> larry: what republican do you fear as a democrat who wants obama to be re-elected? >> the one i'm most afraid of is sarah palin. please don't nominate her because the president could never match her intellectually. please don't. >> stephanie would love sarah palin to run. but the truth is that i think we have two people that are very exciting and that's first jeb bush. i think that's still a possibility. and newt gingrich. i think if jeb bush -- >> wow. >> bobby jindal for vp. that's an incredible ticket. it's very exciting. i tell you. >> i still have goose bumps from his speech. >> it's morning in america. it's starting to sound like jimmy carter in '76. >> the economy's made of money, we spend it. >> larry: as an obama fan who do you fear? >> who do i fear? you know, i have to tell you, these are all interesting ideas. jeb bush is probably i think the most terrifying. although i think americans don't

want a dynastic presidential run. they don't want a third bush in office. so that would be the reason -- >> michigan and florida would have been -- >> i think one of the reasons they didn't elect hillary clinton is they didn't want a dynastic choice -- >> she won michigan and -- >> i also say our fair former half-run governor from alaska is an interesting choice. i would vote -- i would also vote -- >> she would vote for her? >> she and i are both comedians, so yes. >> what i will say is -- >> on behalf of comedians everywhere, yes. >> it's clear that sarah palin, that the presidency doesn't pay enough. >> larry: i'll give ben the last word. sarah palin. >> i'm not a huge fan of sarah palin. i think she's right on a lot of issues but she has no way. haley barbour i think is going to shock you. he's got a lot of stuff going on in that poor boy head of his. >> larry: is his state big enough, though? >> no, his state is big enough. he'll sweep the whole south. he gives people a clear choice. a conservative guy versus a liberal guy. it makes it absolutely clear,

are you a conservative or a liberal? >> yeah, he's so believable, larry, he just did that commercial -- >> most of the country are moderate independents -- >> he just did that commercial, come fishing in mississippi, the fish are hardly putting up a fight anymore. >> larry: thank you, guys. we're going to have you back. thank you. alfonso aguilar, aisha tyler, stephanie miller, and ben stein. he's been face to face with bears before but not like this. jack hanna had a scare. he'll tell us about it next.

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>> larry: jack hanna in a little while. tony robbins friday night. right now, anderson cooper stands by. he'll host "ac 360" at the top

of the hour. what's up, anderson? >> larry, got breaking news tonight. a few hours from now arizona's controversial immigration law will go into effect. the battle on the border took a turn today, however. several key provisions, as you reported, all of them controversial, were blocked by a federal judge. we're going to take a look at what happens now. what's going to happen when this law takes effect in a few hours. we'll talk to jeffrey toobin and maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio, whose department has helped deport more than 26,000 illegal immigrants since 2007. plus an interesting story. one week after the whole shirley sherrod incident a high-profile and controversial hire has some saying -- has some crying racism. the leading fashion in "lifestyle" magazine for african-american women "essence" has hired a white woman as its fashion director. a former employee is outraged about that. we'll take a look at the controversy. those stories, a lot more, larry, at the top of the hour. >> larry: that's "ac 360," 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. as promised, here he is. here's president obama on "the

view." it will air tomorrow. watch. >> so the last 20 months has been a nonstop effort to restart the economy, to stabilize the financial system, to make sure that we're creating jobs again instead of losing them. and in the midst of all that we've also had the oil spill. we've also had two wars. we've also had a pandemic, h1n1, that we had to manage. and a whole host of other issues. what has been gratifying is the fact that the economy now is starting to stabilize and grow again. and what's been satisfying is just seeing how resilient the american people are. >> larry: that's the president on "the view" tomorrow. jack hanna is the director emeritus of columbus zoo and host of "jack hanna's into the wild." he and his family were in the sights of three bears recently, managed to get away. wildlife officials tell cnn that bear attacks at separate sites

in the remote soda butte campgrounds in montana have left a person dead and two others injured. he joins us from the lodge in montana. what happened, jack? >> saturday night, my wife and i went to glacier national park. we lived here twentysomething years. a person took a picture of us on top of the mountain. they wanted a picture. then they started going down. 15 minutes later we followed them. the girl, 18, and her parents. she went around the corner of a ledge that went just like that. and she saw the three bears. now, at this time i'm coming down and she comes back around not losing composure, just going oh, my gosh, three bears on this trail, let's get against the wall. 500 foot drop here and here. the bear can't have four feet. i said no. then the bear started coming 30 feet from here. i said no, get behind me and

we're going to back up and talk and be very calm. this is what you have to do, larry. a grizzly runs 100 yards in six seconds. so you can't do that. you keep talking, stay calm. it's hard to do, but we had to do it. i pulled my bear spray out like this. i pulled it out of my jacket like this, i pulled it out like this. i take it, pull the clip off like that. on the trigger. and we back up. nothing's happening. it seemed like an hour. for five minutes we're backing up. then i see a little meadow, a stray hill like this. and i couldn't have climbed it. five of us climbed the hill, right about 50 feet, got against a wall. because you can't want your back against something. the mother bear came around the corner where she thought she could go. what she did with the two yearlings, about 150 pounds, and they started going up the hill. xwept the last one looked at us 30 feet away his hair raised on his back. all of a sudden he started going toward us. i waited till he got about 30 feet and unloaded one blast. he kept coming. about 15 feet. i unloaded another blast. he went like this. then the last thing, my wife about ten feet right in my fate

face i just went back right in his face he went -- went back and then ran away again. the point i'm getting at is, larry, that bear spray is what i hike with for the last 15 years. i've never had to pull it out of my holster ever. and i've done hundreds of miles of hikes in glacier, yellowstone, everywhere else. so this is what happened siv our live save our lives. this is a tragedy because you know two weeks ago i did a bear spray psa for the park system, especially glacier, to tell people to take bear spray when they're hiking. obviously, i can't believe what happened to me saturday night. >> larry: what does the bear spray do? >> well, it's like -- you know, it's like mace. it burns. i've had it shot on my leg before by accident. they can't see for a while. it doesn't kill the bear or anything else. it just stops them cold. you know, if you hit it right. you have to kind of hold it the last ten feet -- >> larry: it would work on any animal coming toward you? it would work on any animal coming toward you, then, right? >> basically, yes, larry, right. and i just want people to know

that what happened to me is like lightning hitting and what happened last night south here, i live down -- i've been to that campground where this terrible thing happened last night and my condolences go to the family, larry. i can't believe it. people are kind of saying, well, is it safe to hike? let me tell you something, larry. this is like lightning striking twice. it's unbelievable. even the park people, the u.s. forest service, all these folks were all trying to figure out what happened because this bear -- that was unusual, larry. we think it's a grizzly. that's what i've heard. came into camp about, what, midnight, between midnight and 2:00 a.m. or something like this, and as you know, got the tent and i guess mauled the first person and then another person and then the bear went on down the way about a quarter of a mile to another little site and killed the individual. now, right now they're taking samples of the saliva, of the hair, of the defecation, even the jaw bites to try to figure out -- what they do, they've got five traps set because usually, larry, when a grizzly or another bear comes into a campground like this they come back the next night. just last year i filmed my episode "into the wild" and we

filmed a bear that had come into a person's mobile home area, ate all the chickens that night. we set the trap that night. tim manley did. great bear guy that relocates bears. we caught the bear the very same night on the very same property. so they're hoping that this bear will come back, they'll tranquilize it, take dna samples, and then we'll know what the story is. >> larry: and we'll know more right after this. challenge that with olay. in an independent study of 50,000 consumers presented by better homes and gardens, olay was voted best across facial cleansing and anti-aging categories.

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>> larry: we only have a couple of seconds left, jack. what should we do to a bear that attacks people? >> well, right now, larry, the bear's going to be removed, once they do the matching dna, he'll be removed and euthanized. because the bears, with that kind of behavior it cannot happen. if it was going in getting some food and stuff they'd relocate it 50 miles away but i lived down there for ten years and in that area -- camping out here is still safe, hiking, larry. i'm going to the same trail where i was -- had the altercation on saturday night. and i encourage people to continue camping in this beautiful state of montana,

yellowstone, glacier. it's a beautiful place. carry your bear spray and things will be fine. this is like lightning never striking three times in the same place. >> larry: i know we've only got a minute left. i know you were scared. i know you love animals. do you love bears? >> you know, larry, i know you're going to think -- you know i'm hyper. i've been working with you for 20 years. but i'll tell you something. it it's like susie said, my wife. it's amazing what happens to you. i stayed calm. i backed up calm. i knew because i've been in here a lot, i've been in the animal business 35 years and i helped that young lady and her parents that were afraid to stay calm. and hopefully i helped them and hopefully this will help others what we're saying tonight. they're a beautiful creature. just make noise when you hike, have a good time and as i said before just give them their distance and everything should be fine. what happened south of here is a terrible, terrible thing. my heart really does ache for these families. but again, the the braer is there, it's been there for thousands of years, and this was an unusual situation. no one knows what happened. we'll find out. >> larry: thank you, jack

hannah, good friend, director emeritus columbus zoo and host of "jack hanna's into the wild." we close tonight on a sad note. we'd like to acknowledge the death of anne perry mcfarland. she's the mother of our friend and "family guy" curator" creator, rather, seth mcforland. perry was only 63. passed away after a valiant battle with cancer. a lifelong educator. a passion for animals, which explains her devotion, by the way, to the humane society and aspca. i spoke with her on the phone when seth was on this show in may, and i could see why her friends called her a bright light who sparkled. she acknowledged that her son had done well but told me on the sly that she knew he'd really made it when she saw him sitting right here. perry touched many who celebrated her life. those who would like to honor her can donate to the aspca or the humane society in her name.