this guy sitting nex to the river, the seine. the bus went into the river. the cause is unknown. not the romantic trip down the river i imagine taking. that is fotos. little music there, huh? and "larry king live" now. i'll see you next. >> larry: tonight, laura ingraham is on the war path. hear her surprising stance on sarah palin. her opinion on the afghanistan war leaks. and her view of president obama's latest charm offensive. >> i have to admit i don't know who snooki is. >> larry: plus arizona governor jan brewer fighting back on

immigration. if you thought she is giving up the fight against illegals, you are wrong. she took new court action hours ago. is she begging for an all-out brawl? next on "larry king live." >> larry: we begin by welcoming governor jan brewer, republican, arizona, she filed an appeal with the 9th circuit court of appeals after a federal judge yesterday blocked a key part of her state's anti-immigration law. thank you for joining us, governor. is there any part of the judge's ruling that at all had any affect on you where you said maybe she's got a point? >> well, of course, we listened very carefully to her statements. and after reading her brief, we realize that she made some points, of course, when we signed the bill we felt it was in good order and that it was constitutional. and we have now consulted with

our lawyers and with the members of the legislature to see if -- if there were -- some things we might want to kind of tweak a little bit. but we haven't necessarily made up our minds yet. >> larry: so, what did you file today, if you haven't made up your mind yet, are there certain parts you might change? >> well, not necessarily. what we did today, larry, is simply that we -- we made an appeal to the 9th circuit, an expedited appeal to the 9th circuit in order to get an appeal on the temporary, on the injunction that she ruled on. you know what? everybody gets a little confused about, she didn't rule against technically the legislation. she ruled to block the legislation until the legislation has time to go through the process. so, you know, that judicial system, it takes, the wheels of justice move a little slowly. >> larry: you said that you would consider suing the federal

government if it doesn't enforce immigration laws. would you elaborate on that? >> well, i did. you know, it's the federal government's responsibility, of course, to secure our borders and to protect the people of arizona. and they have laws that mandate that they do that. and they're not enforcing those laws. and so, we, i have given it some consideration to, to sue the federal government. i haven't made up my mind on that yet either. you know, we are taking this very, very cautiously, very, very carefully. >> larry: how do you react, there are some law enforcement officials, we had a sheriff on last night, didn't like the law, said it puts too much of a problem for their, for their state troopers and others in law enforcement in the state of arizona to enforce? >> well that's their job. it's their job. they took an oath to uphold the laws and enforce it and protect the people of arizona. i don't know whom you had on last night, but that its a

little silly isn't it when it's their job. >> larry: it was a sheriff from one of your counties and other police officers have spoken out that it can be difficult if you have to single out someone just by the way they look or act, that puts a lot of onus on a police officer doesn't it? it doesn't? >> that's not what their -- that's not what they're doing. they're not looking at people and determining whether you are illegal or not. they are enforcing the laws and enforcing the federal laws on the statute. it is simply ridiculous to think that they're just going to look at some one and arrest them. they have to be in -- in a position of committing a crime and, and, they have been enforcing federal legislation, federal laws in some of our counties all along. so, now with the bill and the -- that has been passed and the judge leaving in the portion about sanctuary cities, it will

actually make it easier for law enforcement to enforce the statutes that the federal government has put forward meaning that they have to enforce the federal laws and that their supervisors can't tell them to do anything less. and so that was a big win for the people of arizona. you know, larry, there has been so much misinformation put out in regards to senate bill 1070 and the rhetoric that has been spread across the country. you know, we just wish that we could get really the truth out there. you know it is the federal government's responsibility to secure our borders. we passed senate bill 1070 as another tool in order to protect the citizens of arizona. we have over 500,000 illegal immigrants living in arizona. and we simply cannot sustain it. it costs us a tremendous amount of money of course in health care, in education, and then, on

top of if the all, in incarceration. the federal government doesn't reimburse us on any of these things. they need to step up and do their job. >> larry: how do you feel, governor, about the people who employ illegal immigrants? >> well, i think that they, you know, we were the first state to make it a law that we had to have employer sanctions. we implemented that. we are waiting to hear from the supreme court in return of that. all our employers use e-verify which its not a perfect system but a step in the right direction. the bottom line is, that's the key word, "illegal" we are a nation of laws. you know, the bottom line is, is that, i always try to relate it to that, country without borders is like a house without walls. it collapses. and i know that there are several people out there that want to discuss other issues.

we want our borders secured. it is the governor of the state of arizona, i took an oath to uphold the laws and to protect the people of arizona. and i'm going to be relentless in it. i am going to do what is right. so, you know. >> larry: what would you do about the -- what would you do about the 500,000 already in your state? >> well, that is a problem. we certainly need to talk about that. but i am not prepared to talk about it until there is -- a surge by the federal government to secure our borders. our borders have got to be secured. you know, when president reagan, who was one of my idols, granted amnesty to about 3 million illegal immigrants it was based on the fact that the borders would be secured. that didn't happen. it didn't happen during the bush administration. and now here we go again. we have 11 million, 12 million illegals in the country.

they want to talk about, their words, comprehensive immigration reform. well, i don't want to talk about that. i don't want to deal with it until our borders are secured. then we need to come together and determine what is the best way to address that issue. >> larry: thank you, governor. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, larry. have a great day. >> larry: you too. governor jan brewer, republican governor of airs. laura ingraham is next. don't go away.

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>> larry: it's great to welcome laura ingraham to "larry king live" syndicated talk radio host, the laura ingraham show, a fox news contributor and number one "the new york times" best-selling author. her new book, "the obama diaries" laura is at the four seasons in st. louis at an event. which is why all the people are cheering. she is taking a break from it to be on our show. we appreciate that. congratulations on the book, laura. >> larry, first of all it is great to see you. great to be here in st. louis. all my friends here at 97.1 f.m. talk. they're excited because they know i am talking to you, larry. let me tell you, we have started here in st. louis, a hunger strike to stop you from retiring, okay? i am not eating from 9:00 to noon every day. they don't want you to retire here. it's a sacrifice, in solidarity

with michelle's anti-obesity thing. not eating between 9:00 and noon. until you announce your nonretirement. >> larry: not just this show. i will be on television doing specials. >> okay. >> larry: laura, this book, before i ask you about current things this book is fascinating. the obama diaries. the idea is this is fiction, you found this in an underground garage, similarthe watergate tapes, give us history of the book. >> larry, i didn't ask for the diaries. they came to me. you are familiar with the watergate complex, pedicure, manicure, salon there. i was coming back from a manicure. this envelope of all these thing that looked like diary entries to me popped up on the hood of my suv. i was shaking, larry, trembling. frightening. i started looking through these things. it looks like michelle obama's diary, looks like barack obama's diary, joe biden's diary. i said it can't be.

then i looked at the historical narrative, like health care reform, stimulus bill, auto bailout, the trips to europe and so forth. and the diaries, lo and behold seem to match up with the historical narrative. i can't vouch for authenticity, though i have larry tried to verify these with valerie jarrett, the president's jean yjean -- senior adviser. i approached her, she had no knowledge. after reading the diaries myself i understand why they don't want to talk about it. the people will have to decide for themselves. >> larry: why did you decide to do something republicans are against, publishing it. many republicans are against the publishing of the afghanistan reports. yet you broke the code and publish apu publish aid private document? >> the obamas are so historic and they're so up on a pedestal and they're so different from everyone who came before that it was probably good to, remember in the "wizard of oz" larry you,

pull the curtain back on the wizard, a little guy pulling a bunch of levers. i wanted to do that with the obamas. so that's what i did. and i don't know. they're fascinating though. do you know that michelle has actually referred to her husband after listening to one of his speeches as a walking, talking ambien, cr. we're having a lot of fun. the country, larry, is on the brink, in all seriousness. i wrote this book because not only do we need to understand what has happened over the last 18 months, i come at it from a conservative perspective. you see the polls whether you are a young person, woman, latinos are beginning to take a second look at this man who, a lot of people like personally, a beautiful family, a wonderful father, but, the policies are not working. and, we have to examine those. we have to take it very seriously. >> larry: let's give the public an example. >> the diaries are.

am i doing a dramatic reading on "larry king." pressure. >> larry: read an excerpt from "the obama diaries. "go. >> this is like vegas, the sands in vegas. do you know, he actually has a little admiration for hugo chavez, they had the moment, hugo gave him the book. remember that moment. he has admiration for him. this is larry, again, shocking to read. april 21st, 2009. he has got his own tv show and since he controls the stations, he talk as long as he likes. when you are president there is nothing more important than connecting with your followers. no one should obstruct that communication. uh, and what we really need now is an obama network. uh, i'll show them who the most trusted name in news looks like. move over, ac 360, by the time the obama factor comes on the air you are going to be cut down

to ac 180. i don't know what that is. larry, that's shocking. i mean, it's very narcissistic. i mean, kind of narcissistic. the president is on television all the time. and larry, you saw him on "the view" joy behar, your pal, my very close friend, and the president, needed to go on "the view." he needs to be seen. that's the problem with his popularity. he clearly is just not seen enough or heard enough. so, that's -- that's where we are. >> larry: do you fear that some people may actually believe this book? >> larry, i can see why you are asking that question, first of all, thises why you can't is w retire. this administration, larry, blurs fact and fiction all the time. we have 3 million jobs, saved or created. you are going to be able to keep your doctor and your health insurance. we're going to enforce the borders. all these things that are said by the administration.

little loosey-goosey with the facts. so, what i fry try to do in thi book is peel the onion a little bit. let people decide for themselves whether the obama razzle-dazzle is as it seems or whether there is something much more nef faar going on. >> larry: our guest is laura ingram, in st. louis, the book is "the obama diaries" and we'll be right back. they're made from whole roasted nuts and dipped in creamy peanut butter, making your craving for a sweet & salty bar irresistible, by nature valley.

>> larry: one of the most popular people in this country is michelle obama, yet laura ingraham daring to be different takes her on as well in the "the obama diaries." you want to read a little excerpt, particularly dealing with michelle from the book? >> well, yes. larry, i would look to share this. if i would have known i was performing, maggie smith would have been on here with me.

the diary of michelle obama, rome, italy, july 8, last summer, 2009. this is about the working vacations, the criticism they're taking to many trips on the public dime. they're going to rome. they're going to africa. now next, indonesia. now going to spain, larry, next week. i am so tired of the media criticizing our working trips. yes, that's what it is, a working trip. every member of this family works damn hard on these international voyages. and no one even considers the economic stimulus we provide when we visit one of these foreign countries. just look at our girls' trip to london last month. taking the children to see the "lion king" on the west end will probably keep that show running for another year, larry. the little people want to do whatever we do. when i think of all the actors and the singers, the waiters and the maids, that we alone have kept in business, it make is my

head spin. our just walking into an establishment can revive its fortunes for years to come, larry. >> larry: did you -- some day they may find the bush diaries, because george bush vacationed 96, 96 days of his first year and a half. obama 36 days. >> well i think what people are -- i think what people are seeing, larry, maybe what's not sitting all that well with some folks is that the country is really struggling. of course the president should vacation, and no one expects the president to be at the deli counter at wal-mart. although they do have a great baloney sandwich at wal-mart, i highly recommend that. they don't expect that. at a time when so many people are out of work, larry, and so many people are truly struggling. st. louis, missouri is struggling, okay. it is a little bit tone-deaf, i think to spend your time this week in new york city on the set

of "the view" and then tonight, at anna wintour's apartment in new york, the editor of "vogue" you have been there. no big deal for you. the president of the united states. it seem is a little tone-deaf. you may say everybody vacations, but when the first lady is jetting off to madrid next week for a girls' trip and then it's well i am also going to meet with king juan carlos and queen sophia, that's all fine. at a time when our conentry unt where it is it is beginning to rub some people the wrong way. a little too much. >> larry: honestly, did you criticize president bush -- [ applause ] >> larry: in all fairness, did you criticize president bush when he stayed at the ranch during katrina? >> well, i actually, not sure my phone calls would be returned by president bush because i criticized president bush a lot on a lot of things whether spending or immigration. and his handling on a whole

bunch of issues. i was leading the charge against harriet myers, the first on national media to do so. i think right now where the country is and how difficult a position we are as a nation, larry, what people want, they want the president to exude a sense of confidence and optimism, no one expects him to sit in the dark and not have state dinners. but it's everything is over the top, i mean, when, when the gulf oil spill is crippling the economy of five states, or damage it severely, for the president to be in the white house swaying with paul mccartney to "hey jude" if president bush had done that, yes, larry king, i would have criticized him and i would have frankly asked him to apologize to the nation. that was embarrassing. >> larry: by the way, at, at the bottom of the hour, mark lamont hill, professor from columbia

will join us. in your book you accuse obama and democrats in congress of advancing a radical agenda. you write our story should be one of patriotic people who beat back the onslaught of radicalism. are you saying that anyone who supports obama is unpatriotic? >> no, what i am saying is that what we have seen with the president, his proclivity, larry to apologizing for this country. when you go overseas, the president of the united states, we don't say that we're perfect. nobody is. i'm the most flawed person out there, i say that all the time. we don't really want the president to go overseas, and we're not a nation of torturers, we're not going to, we have had our own checkered past, that doesn't sit well with people. you combine that, larry, with one of the most radical transformations of the u.s. economy to have ever taken place in 18 short months, and frankly, larry, against the will of the american people, i say this -- you don't have the consent of

the governed. and i think, you hear the crowd, you hear the crowd, obviously a friendly crowd, and not to mention, not meant to convey anything more than there is frustration among the electorate, they feel like their elected representatives are not representing the interest of america and the interest of the american people. talking republicans and democrats. i, there is a healthy dose of criticizesome som criticizism, both parties. i was not very popular in washington in the last to years of the bush administration because of where i thought they went. >> larry: laura ingraham, our guest, the book, "the obama diaries," and when we come back, mark lamont hill, columbia professor, will take her on. next. don't go away. you took my eggs ! it's an "egg management fee." what does that even mean ? egg management fee. even kids know it's wrong to take other people's stuff.

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contributor to loop21.com. mark, you have been listening, what is your overall response to "the obama diaries"? >> i wish i could say i was disappointed. but i didn't expect anything different from laura. i like laura. i think the kind of energy and negativity we see directed towards the obama administration, and even the first lady, i think is ill-placed, misplaced. we can focus our energy on other things other than mocking the president. do i think the president is fair game? of course, do i think some is funny? absolutely. i think some one as talented and smart as laura could be directing herrener je en eergy e tea party, talking unemployment, and all sorts of things i am sure laura is going to agree with me right now? >> larry: laura, you can respond. >> i love mark lamont hill, a great one to duke it out with. the obamas are people, we are all people, they're not deities and not monarchs. when michelle obama goes to

congress and demands billions for a child nutrition initiative and acts as a health care and fitness expert. she is a beautiful woman. i didn't elect her to anything. when you step into the role you step into the arena. it's not all what sleeveless wants, sleeveless gets. that's not how it works. >> laura, i don't think that, michelle obama is a nutritionist. i don't think nancy reagan was an expert on drugs or law enforcement when she became a critical ally. >> totally different. an inept analogy. she was not on the sccampaign trail, she didn't have three cabinet secretaries trailing with her. >> larry: one at a time. one at a time. mark, go ahead. >> the point here, laura, every first lady, every presidential administration has someone who advocates for public issues. whether or not, michelle obama is a public health expert isn't the point. we have nutrition problems, in detroit, chicago, philadelphia, new york, where people have to

go miles and miles for fresh fruit and vegetables. let's focus on that instead of beating up on the president or his wife. >> it's not beating up on anybody. when you inject yourself into one of the most contentious debates of the last 15 years, which is frankly, what this whole fitness/health initiative ends up doing for michelle obama. that's fine if that's what you want to do. but when you do that you better be prepared, mark to have your ideas and your view points tested in the public arena. it's no teflon, no teflon in front of michelle obama. she has to answer the critics just like any other pundit or any other policy advocate. and she is a policy advocate. she is out there pushing policy. >> larry: let's get into specifics. mark, the -- the governor -- mark, the governor is trying to overturn the judge's decision about portions of the arizona immigration law. what do you think of the move? >> well i think it is a

necessary move and ultimately we'll find many aspects of the law are unconstitutional. i think there are several things we have to think about. laura is right. many people on the right are correct in saying this is a response to the federal government's failure to enforce immigration policy. what we need is comprehensive immigration reform so we don't need grand gestures like the one the governor of arizona enforced. that said the measure in arizona is one of the most vicious, ugly and vile pieces of public policy we have seen in the last 15 years. >> vicious? >> absolutely. vicious. based on xenophobia. >> i have to buy a vowel on that one, mark. vish us? >> absolutely. it is a mean-spirited public policy that is also likely unconstitutional. any time you imbue with a state authority a power in the federal government. it is ugly, vile, and i think unconstitutional. >> larry: let laura responsibilirespond.

>> this is not -- what is really ugly, when the federal government and our chief officer, what the president is, refuses, really, larry to enforce federal laws that are on the books right now that have not been repealed, to, to, that you have to carry your id if you are an alien, living in this country, if you are a permanent resident, alien, student visa. federal law requires you to carry your documents. you are not supposed to be here illegally. if you are you need to leave. if you are here illegally, some trying to work, you are here illegally. you can sugarcoat it, say it is mean, vile, that means you think the laws are vile. repeal the laws or enforce the laws. arizona is doing what the federal government will not do. >> again, some of what you are arguing laura is a straw argument. i began from the premise that the federal government needs to enforce the law. what we need -- >> they're not going to enforce them. they're not enforcing them. where we are.

>> laura, we agree on the point. we don't have to pretend to disagree on the point. my disagreement with you is on the response to that reality. the response to that reality. >> states are supposed to do nothing and hope. >> larry: laura, don't interrupt. one at a time. >> the point here is that, we need comprehensive immigration reform. humane guest worker policy. that means a path to citizenship. that means we need to repeal nafta which create the push into the united states. all we talk is what happens when immigrants get here. what pushes them there? what kind of economic policies have drawn mexican farmers by stripping away their vitality in mexico. instead of engaging in reactionary politics, the right has been doing and the left has been sitting on its hands while this happened. >> larry: we are going to take a break. >> okay. >> when i get back, can i, one quick, larry, what -- >> larry: go ahead, laura, quick response. >> what we have in effect basically in, in land obama with an immigration, is a don't

ask/don't tell policy. don't ask about your immigration status. frankly if you are here illegally you don't have to tell. they don't want it for the military but for immigration policy. >> larry: we'll move to other things. talk about the charlie rangel situation when we come back. don't go away. [meow] desperate for nighttime heartburn relief? for many, nexium helps relieve heartburn symptoms caused by acid reflux disease. and for the majority of patients with prescription coverage for nexium, it can cost $30 or less per month. headache, diarrhea, and abdominal pain are possible side effects of nexium. other serious stomach conditions may still exist. ask your doctor if nexium can help relieve your heartburn symptoms. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. just to make phone calls.

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>> larry: we're back with laura ingraham, author of "the obama diaries," and mark lamon hill, charlie rangel was charged with

13 counts of ethical wrongdoing by a house investigative panel today, among them that he improperly used his staff and office and accepted favors. here's what he said about it. watch. >> if i struggle to find some good news in the statement of alleged violation, i do get small comfort in noek thknowing there is no allegation, this is until evidence that i have been guilty of corruption, wrongdoing. [ inaudible ] or any of the things that some of the reporters have been saying. >> larry: any political ramifications in this, laura, beyond a story about a new york congressman that is kind of sad? >> well, larry, it's -- i think what's sad, he sat as chairman of the tax writing committee in the house of representatives for years while anyone who follows

politics with any, any modicum of seriousness knew that charlie rangel was in deep, deep ethical trouble, perhaps legal trouble. all i want is one rent controlled apartment in new york. i don't need four. charlie, please, one, small room, all i need. i have a dog. she can sleep in the bathroom. >> larry: mark, what do you make of the story? >> with regard to charlie rangel in particular, we have to left the investigation continue. i don't want any rush to judgment, after the sherrod fiasco, last thing we need to do is rush to judgment. unless there is a broad pattern of corruption among the democratic party, i don't think this will be a referendum on democrats or have an impact on the election in november. ithe charlie rangel is the biggest on the list. >> remember when nancy pelosi came into office, she got the big gavel, an exciting day of

ceremonies. she was very proud to declare she was there in washington to quote, drain the swamp, the swamp of corruption in washington, d.c. everybody is a hypocrite, politicians are hypocrites, you can say that. but that its a pretty big declaration to make. and then to have charlie rangel, we had chris dodd, sweetheart deals, we had, the country wide issue, and look, republicans have had their scandals as well. but now the democrats happen to be in power, right, you have to -- you focus on the republican scanle dalscandals. when charlie rangel was an important figure in the u.s. house of representatives, and very likely guilty of a number of fraudulent actions. oh, mark, come on. this is not even, passing the straight-faced test. nobody is convicting him of anything. this is an ethics investigation, going on for years. everybody in washington know as but charlie rangel. okay, it is going to continue to never have any resolution oh kay. >> i don't want to trade in

hearsay here. no one on the left or right has the market cornered on corruption. anyone who declares by putting -- we're talking about the democrats. republicans are not in charge. >> laura, laura, laura, laura -- if you stop talking over me. i am conceding the point. agreeing with you. a mistake for democrats to say -- i know you hate agreement -- for democrats to come into power to somehow say they're going to get rid of corruption is a lie, flat out lie. i don't say that. let's not pretend there is this huge wave of corruption bigger than charlie rangel if he did do something wrong. let's focus on the real issues which is not charlie rangel. >> unemployment is the real issue. absolutely. i want to talk about that all show. unemployment for the next ten minutes. i'm ready. let's do it. >> larry: laura. >> larry, i have a question. can i ask you one question, larry, just one question. what is it like to kiss, what was it look to kiss marlon brando, i have been dying to ask

that? >> larry: he kissed me. >> i have been dying. there was a moment there. >> larry: all right. all right, let any get it straight. >> there was a moment. >> larry: at the end of the first interview. i interviewed him subsequent to that. he for some reason kissed me on the lips. >> yeah. >> larry: you want to know the truth, laura. i can't stop thinking about him. ha-ha-ha. >> i sensed it. i sensed there was a glow, larry. when he took the kleenex and blotted your face. i remember that. >> you seem pretty excited about it too, laura. is this some thing you have here? >> it was magic. television magic. >> larry: laura goes around underground garages looking for diaries. we'll be back with more and we'll talk about "the view" right after this.

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>> larry: back with laura ingraham and mark lamont hill. president obama covered a wide

range of topics with the ladies of "the view" including race. here is a short excerpt from what he said. >> your mother was white. >> uh-huh. >> would it be helpful or why don't you say i am not a black president, i am biracial? >> you know, when i was young, and going through the identity crises that any teenager goes through. i wrote a whole book about this. >> yes. >> part of what i realized was that if the, if the world saw me as african-american then that wasn't something that i needed to run away from that's something that i could go ahead and embrace. >> larry: laura, i know is must puzzle -- why is racism still a question in this country? >> well, larry, i think what

happened, remember a year ago, remember the cambridge police incident with professor gates. the president weighed in that was a dumb thing the police officer did. and that set off a conversation. a lot of people are disappointed they thought they had a post-racial president in president obama, and because of that, and maybe some of the things that have happened with the immigration debate, they think he might be the most racial president, whether or not he wanted to be. and so on the view, that was very interesting, and barbara walters was on her game. in asking that question. why don't you call yourself biracial. you are half white, half black. it's biracial. he didn't, he really stumbled on that question, i thought. i'm not a bed laody language ex. leave that to o'reilly. seemed me was struggling, struggling with that. he didn't really answer the question. that is a fact. he is black and he is white. and celebrate it. he didn't answer it. >> he actually did answer the

question. he made a pin the to say the world sees me as african-americanch he understands the unique racial legacy of the united states. at one point had a one drop rule. if you had one drop of african blind you you were considered black. reality president obama is considered black, he is considered black to the police. if he were in cambridge. he wouldn't be biracial. if i'm in new york they don't care what percentage is white, they see a black person. it is so permanent and lingering. >> white supremacy? >> there is white supremacy in the united states. >> we have a biracial, black, whatever we want to call him, a man who is the first black president of the united states. and we had, we had millions of people who came to washington, celebrating that. i mean that was amazing for our country. that was, was that not amazing? was that not a hurdle we cleared? >> that is a hurdle. if joe lieberman. >> it's not a nonsequitur. it is a fact. >> if joe lieberman were to

become president we wouldn't say there is no longer anti-semitism. if hillary clinton. >> i don't think anyone is saying there is no world is not >> i didn't say there is no racism. >> laura, you just -- >> we have -- >> larry: one at a time. mark? one at a time. >> laura, you pointed -- laura pointed to the election of a black president as white supremacy no longer lingers. >> i never said that. >> even if you want to focus just on public policy, any measure of social prosperity, black people are at the bottom of it. any measure of social misery, black people are at the top of it. president obama is not the first president to link -- president bush ushered in that no child left behind policy, he was talking about the difference between blacks and whites. they want to be post racist. that's what we're fighting for. >> you said a lot of things there. the number one thing, i think,

as americans is that we really want to get beyond the hyphenated america. i do. i'm half polish, irish. we want to get beyond that. the country is yearning, larry and mark, for authenticity and want someone to come forward and offer real solutions for the black community, latino community, white community, the american community. forget the color of your skin. we need prosperity and jobs in this country. >> larry: we'll be back with more of laura ingraham and mark lamont hill. first, let's check in with anderson cooper. tonight on "360," larry, immigration laws in arizona went into effect today. we'll take a ride along in the sheriff's department that's been out in front on the fight of illegal immigration. we'll also hear two different sides of this, sponsor of the bill, russell pearce joins us. very embarrassing trial for a very powerful congressman, charlie rangel, 20-year democrat

has not struck a deal with the ethics community. that may still be in the works. charges against him are stunning, frankly, 13 charges against him. extraordinarily powerful man. we'll look in detail at those charges and why so many democrats are kind of mum on the whole thing. all that and more, larry, at the top of the hour. >> larry: that's 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific, anderson cooper and "ac 360." each year an estimated 300 cam bodians are injured or killed by thousands of land mines still buried and still active since being planted 30 years ago by the khmer rouge. this week's cnn hero put many of those land mines in place when he was an 11-year-old soldier. today, he revisits former battlefields for an entirely different crusade. watch. >> translator: my name is akira.

when i was 10 years old, the khmer ruge chose me to be a soldier. sometimes we were ordered to plant 4,000 to 5,000 mines. i saw a lot of people dying. i put people in danger and damaged the country. after the war was over, i decided to clear mines by myself. now, people have joined me. now it's safe. the villages are requesting us to demine because the people are afraid of mines. i have done a lot of good things different from during the war. i have cleared thousands of mines. i want cambodia to be safe.

>> larry: extraordinary. our hero has even adopted child victims of land mine blasts. to see more of aki ra's story or nominate someone you think is changing the world, go to cnn.com/heroes. nominations close this sunday, august 1st. laura and mark, come back after this. my sunglasses. ♪ people say i'm forgetful. maybe that's why we go to so many memorable places. love the road you're on.

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and, like cnn would go 24/7 on her. you guys are obsessed with sarah palin. she's out there. she's a figure in conservative politics. she sparkles on stage. people love her. she's magnetic. we don't know whether she wants to run for president, whether she will. i think she is a force to be reckoned with and i think she's fascinating. i think a lot of people in the race are fascinating. i like her. i like her as a person and i think she's going to do a lot for the party. >> larry: mark, what do you think? >> i think she's fascinating, too, for a whole lot of reasons. she's interesting and has the ability to be a king maker, particularly in local elections and state-wide elections. do i think she has the talent, credentials to be president? no, i do not. do i think that she has the political muscle to be president? no, i do not. mitt romney is a much safer choice. mike huckabee is a dark horse in this. i don't think sarah palin would be a wise choice for republicans. as someone on left, i would love sarah palin to be the nominee. if she becomes the nominee,

obamas can start -- >> she does have more chief experience than barack obama had. >> she's mayor of mayberry. >> maybe alaska doesn't count for mark but it's a pretty cool place. can you see russia from there. >> larry: one quick thing before we leave. we only have 35 seconds. laura, how is your health? >> my health is great, larry. five years out. i don't call myself a survivor. i call myself by the good graces of god and great family and friends a thriver. you've always been supportive of that. i appreciate that. i have two kids at home and they're my life now. i appreciate your asking thank you. >> larry: does five years mean it's over? does five years mean the cancer is done? >> well, larry, you know what they say. no one gets off this planet alive. so, it's a snapshot. we have a snap of a finger. so i hope fo