>> larry: tonight, laura ingram's on the war path. her surprising stance on sarah palin, her opinion on the afghanistan war leaks, and her view of president obama's latest charm offensive. >> i got to admit i don't know who snooki is. >> larry: next, on "larry king live." it's great to welcome laura ingraham to "larry king live." nationally syndicated radio talk show host. a fox news contributor as well and number one new york times best selling author. her new book "the obama

diaries," laura's at the four seasons in st. louis at an event. that's why those people are all cheering. >> oh, boy. >> larry: taking a break from it to be on our show. we appreciate that. congratulations on the book, laura. >> larry, first of all, it's great to see you, great to be in st. louis, and all of my friends excited because they know i'm talking to you larry, and we have started in st. louis a hunger strike to stop you from retiring, okay? i'm not eating from 9:00 to noon every day, they don't want you to retire here. it's a sacrifice, in solidarity with michelle's anti obesity thing, i'm not eating from 9:00 until noon. >> it's just this show. i'm going to be around, doing specials. >> i know. >> larry: laura, this book -- before i ask you about a lot of current things, this book is fascinating "the obama diaries."

the idea is fiction. you found this in an underground garage similar to watergate tapes. give us a history of the book. >> larry, didn't ask for these diaries, they came to me. you're familiar with the watergate complex, right? been there, pedicure, manicure, in the salon there, yeah. i was coming back from a pedicure, and these -- this envelope of all these things that look like diary entries to me popped up on the hood of my suv. i was shaking, larry. trembling, frightening. i start looking through these things, looks like michelle obama's diary, barack obama's diary, joe biden's diary. it can't be. i'm looking at the last 18 months, health care reform, stimulus bill, auto bailout, trips to europe and so forth. and the diaries, lo and behold, match up to the historical narrative. i have tried to verify these

with valerie jarrett, the president's senior advisor. i approached valerie jarrett, she claimed she had no knowledge of these diaries, after reading them myself, i understand why no one wanted to talk about them. that's all i can say. >> larry: why did you choose someone that republicans are against, publishing it? many are against publish these afghanistan reports? yet you broke the code and published a private document? >> well, larry, here is what i think. the obamas are so historic and so up on a pedestal and they are so different from everyone who came before it was probably good to -- remember in the wizard of oz, when you pull the curtain back on the wizard and a little guy pulling a bunch of levers, i wanted to do that with the obamas. that's what i did, and i don't know. they are fascinating. do you know michelle has actually referred to her husband after listening to one of his speeches as a walking talking, ambien cr?

that's shocking to me. we're having a lot of fun. but seriously, the country, larry, i think is on the brink. in all seriousness, i wrote this book because not only do we need to understand what's happened over the last 18 months. i come at it from a conservative prospective. you have seen the polls. young person, women, latinos, are beginning to take a second look. a beautiful family, a wonderful father, but policies are not working, and we have to examine those and take it very seriously. serious stuff in the book, but these diaries are, you know -- am i doing a dramatic reading on larry king? this is pressure. >> larry: read an exerpt from "the obama diaries. >> this is like vegas, the sands in vegas. he has a little admiration for hugo chavez. remember that moment when hugo

gave him the book? he has admiration for him. again, these are shocking to read, april 21, 2009. he's got his tv show, and since he controls the stations, he talks as long as he likes. when you're president, there's nothing more important than connecting with your followers. no one should obstruct that communication. and what we really need now is an obama network. i'll show them who the most trusted name in news looks like. move over "ac 360." by the time the obama factor comes on the air, you'll be cut down to "ac 180." very narcissistic. the president is on television all the time, and, larry, you saw him on "the view," joy behar, your pal and my close friends.

the president needed to go on "the view." he needs to be seen. that's the problem with his popularity. he's clearly not seen enough or heard enough. that's where we are. >> do you fear that some people may actually believe this book? >> larry, i can see why you're asking that question, first of all. this is why you can't retire. i can see why you're asking that question. this administration blurs fact and fiction all the time. 3 million jobs saved or created. you can keep your doctor and health insurance. we're going to enforce the borders. all these things that are said by the administration. a little loosey-goosey with the facts. so what i try to do in this book is peel the onion a little bit. and let people decide for themselves whether the obama razzle-dazzle is as it seems or if there is something more nefarious going on under the

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>> well, yes. larry, i'd like to share this. this is pressure. the diary of michelle obama, rome, italy. july 8, 2009, last summer. this is the criticism they are taking too many trips on the public dime. rome, africa, indonesia, and now spain, larry, next week. i am so tired of the media criticizing our working trips. yes, that's what it is. a working trip. every member of this family works damn hard on these international voyages, and no one even considers the economic stimulus we provide when we visit one of these foreign countries. just look at our girls' trip to london last month. taking the children to see "the lion king" on the west end will probably keep that show running for another year, larry. the little people want to do whatever we do.

when i think of all of the actors and the singers, the waiters and the maids that we alone have kept in business it makes my head spin. our just walking into an establishment can revive its fortunes for years to come, larry. >> larry: did you -- someday they may find the bush diaries, because george bush vacationed 96 days in his first year and a half, obama, 36 days. >> well, i think what people are -- what people are seeing, larry, maybe not sitting all that well with some folks, the country is really struggling, and, of course, the president should vacation and no one expects the president to be at the deli counter at walmart, although they do have a great baloney sandwich at walmart. i highly recommend that. that's ridiculous. but at a time when so many people are out of work and struggling, st. louis, missouri,

is struggling, okay? it is a little bit tone deaf i think to spend your time this week in new york city on the set of "the view" and then tonight at anna winters' apartment in new york, the editor of "vogue." i know you've been there, larry. no big deal for you. but the president of the united states? it seems a little tone deaf. you might say, well, everybody vacations, but when the first lady is jetting off to madrid next week for a girl's trip, and then it's, well, i'm also going to meet with queen juan carlos and queen sophia, and that's all fine, but at a time where a country is where it is, it's beginning rub some people the wrong way. honestly, a little too much. >> larry: did you criticize president bush -- in all fairness, did you -- >> yes. >> larry: did you criticize president bush when he stayed at the ranch during katrina? >> i'm not sure my phone calls

would be criticized by president bush, because i criticized president bush on a whole bunch of issues. leading the charge against harriet miers, i think i was the first one on national media to do so. i think right now where the country is and how difficult a position we are as a nation, larry, what people want, they want the president to exude a sense of confidence. no one expects him to sit in the dark and not have state dinners, but it's everything is over the top. i mean, when the gulf oil spill is crippling the economy of five states or damaging it severely, for the president to be in the white house swaying with paul mccartney to "hey jude," if president bush had done that, yes, larry king, i would have criticized him, and i would have frankly asked him to apologize to the nation. that was embarrassing. >> larry: by the way, at the

bottom of the hour, mark lemont hill, a professor at columbia university will debate laura. and you write, our story should be one of patriotic people who beat back the onslaught of radicalism. are you saying that anyone who supports obama is unpatriotic? >> no. but what i am saying is what we've seen with the president and his proclivity, larry, to apologizing, for this country, when you go overseas, the president of the united states, we don't say we're perfect. nobody is. i'm the most flawed person out there. i say that all the time. we don't really want the president to go overseas, well, we're not a nation of torturers, we won't do abu ghraib. had our own checkered past. that doesn't sit well with people. you combine that, larry, with one of the most radical

transformations of the u.s. economy to have ever taken place in 18 short months and frankly, larry, against the will of the american people. i say this. you don't have the consent of the governed. and i think you hear -- you hear the crowd, larry. obviously, a friendly crowd. not to meant to convey anything more than that there is frustration among the electorate. they feel like they are not representing the interests of american people and i'm talking republicans and democrats. a healthy dose of criticism to go forward to both parties, really, and i was not very popular in washington in the last few years of the bush administration, because of where i thought they want. >> larry: laura ingraham our guest, the book is "the obama diaries." when we come back, mark lemont hill of columbia university will take her on, don't go away. [ male announcer ] the financial headlines

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>> larry: back with oldley old friend laura ink gram.

joining us is mark lemont hill, professor of columbia university and contributor to the loop 21.com. what is your overall response to "the obama diaries?" >> i wish i could say i was disappointed, but i didn't expect anything else. i think the kind of negativity toward the obama administration and the first lady is ill placed when we could focus on other things rather than mocking the president. do i think the president is fair game? of course. do i think some of it is funny? absolutely. but i think laura could be directing her energy toward the tea party, which has a viciously racist wing. we'll talk about unemployment, all sorts of things laura will agree with me on. >> larry: laura, respond? >> i love mark lemont hill. look, the obamas are people, we're all people.

they are not dieties, and when michelle obama goes to congress and demands billions of dollars for a child nutrition initiative and acts as a health care and fitness expert, she's a beautiful woman, cut i bint elect her to anything, so when you step into that role, you step into the arena, okay? it's not all what sleeveless wants, sleeveless gets. that's not how it works. >> i don't think michelle obama is nutritionist, but nancy reagan is not an expert on drugs when she initiated the war on drugs. >> she wasn't on the campaign trail, she didn't have three cabinet secretaries. >> larry: one at a time, please. mark, go ahead. >> the point here, laura, every first lady, every presidential administration has someone who advocates public issues, whether or not michelle obama is a public health expert isn't the

point. we have food deserts in detroit, philadelphia, chicago, and more. people have to go miles for fruits and vegetables. let's deal with that instead of beating up on the president or his wife. >> no, no, no. it's not beating up on anybody. when you inject yourself into one of the most contentious debates in the last 15 years, which is what this whole health and fitness initiative does for michelle obama, that's fine, if that's what you want to do. but when you do that, you better be prepared to have your ideas and viewpoints tested in the public arena. no teflon. no teflon in front of michelle obama. she has to answer critics just like any other pundit or any other policy advocate, and she is a policy advocate. >> let's get into -- let's get into some specifics. mark, the -- the governor -- mark, the governor is trying to

overturn the judge's decision about portions of the arizona immigration law. what do you think of that move? >> well, i think it's a necessary move, and ultimately we will find many aspects of lawsuit are unconstitutional. i think there are several things we have to think about. i think many people on the right are correct, saying this is a response to the federal government's failure to enforce immigration policy. what we need is common sense immigration reform so we don't need grand gestures like the one the governor of arizona enforced. that said, the measure in arizona is one of the most vicious, ugly, and i'll have pieces of public policy we've seen in the last 50 years. >> vicious? >> absolutely. based on xenophobia and -- >> i have to buy a vowel on that one, mark. i mean, vicious? >> absolutely. it's a fund mentdally mean-spirited public policy and likely unconstitutional. the power that's invested in the federal government, that's another major problem. it's ugly, i'll have, and unconstitutional.

the courts will reveal -- >> ugly, vooil, vicious. this is not an argument. what's really ugly is when the federal government and our chief law enforcement officer, which is ultimately when the president is, refuses, really, larry, to enforce federal laws that are on the books right now that have not been repealed to -- that you have to carry your i.d. if you're an allen, living in this country, if you're a permanent resident, alien, student visa, federal law requires you to carry your documents. if you are here illegally, i understand some people are trying to work, i get that, but you're here illegally. you can sugar coat it, say it's mean, vile, but that means you think the laws are vile. repeal the laws or enforce the laws. arizona is doing what the federal government will not do. >> well, again, some of what are you arguing, laura, is a straw argument. i began from the premise that the federal government needs to

enforce the law. >> they are not enforcing them, mark. that's why we are where we are. >> we agree on that point. we don't have to pretend to disagree on that point. our disagreement is on the responsibility. >> the state is to sit there -- >> larry: one at a time, please. >> this is a different network, we don't interrupt each other. we need a path to citizenship, to repeal laws like nafta which create the push into the united states. we talk about what happens when imgrants get here. what pushes them get there. what has drawn mexican farmers by shipping away their va tallity in mexico. we need to be talking about this. the left has been sitting on its hands while this has happened. >> larry: we'll take a break and come right back. >> when i get back -- larry, what -- >> larry: go ahead, laura. quick response.

>> what we have in effect basically in land obama with immigration is a don't ask, don't tell policy. don't ask about your immigration status, and frankly if you're here illegally, you don't have to tell. they don't want it for the military, but they want it for immigration. >> that's not true. >> larry: we'll talk about the charlie rangel situation when we come back. don't go away.

>> larry: back with laura ingraham, author of "the obama diaries" and john lemont hill.

charlie rangel was charged with 13 counts today, among the charges, he accepted favors and improperly used his staff. here is what he said. >> if i struggle hard to find good news in the statement of alleged violation, i do get small comfort in knowing that there's no allegation that this is a scintilla of evidence and i've been guilty of corruption, wrongdoing, self-dealing or any of the things that some of the reporters have been saying. >> larry: any political ramifications in this, laura, beyond a sfoer about a new york congressman? it's kind of sad. >> well, larry, i think what's sad is he sat as chairman of the

tax writing committee in the house of representatives for years, while anyone who follows politics with any modicum of seriousness knew charlie rangel was in deep, deep ethical trouble, perhaps legal trouble. all i want is one rent-controlled apartment in new york. i don't need four, just one. charlie, small room. that's all i need. a dog, she is sleep in the bathroom. >> larry: mark what do you make of this story? >> with regard to charlie rangel in particular, i think we have to let the investigation continue. i don't want to rush to judgment. after the shirley sherrod fiasco, we don't need to rush to judgment on anything. that said, i don't think this will be a bigger story, unless there is a broad pa tern of corruption. i don't think this will an extraordinary impact. democrats have a lot to worry about. i don't think the charlie rangel circumstance is the biggest thing on the list. >> larry, remember nancy pelosi when she came into office as a speaker, got the big gavel,

exciting day of ceremonies and so forth? she was very proud to declare that she was there in washington to "drain the swamp." the swamp of corruption in washington, d.c. and, you know, everybody is a hypocrite. politicians are hypocrites. that's a big declaration to make. charlie rangel, chris dodd, the countrywide issue, and republicans have had their scandals as well, but now the democrats happen to be in power, so you focus on the republican scandals when charlie rangel was an important figure in the u.s. house of representatives and very likely guilty of a number of fraudulent actions. >> we don't know that. >> marc, come on. this isn't passing the straight face test. nobody has convicted him of anything. this is an ethics investigation. everybody in washington knows about charlie rangel.

it will continue and we'll never have any resolution, okay. >> i don't want to trade hearsay here. no one on the left or right has a market cornered on corruption. corrupt republicans and democrats. >> oh, we're talking about him now. the democrats now. the republicans are not in charge. marc, when you said you came in charge, you said the swamp would be charged. >> i'm conceding the point. it's a mistake for democrats to say by coming into -- i know you hate agreement. but for democrats to come into power, saying they will get rid of corruption, it's a flat-out lie. let's not pretend there is this huge wave of corruption. but let's focus on the real issue, which is not charlie rangel. >> unemployment is the real issue. i want to talk about that for the whole show. unemployment for the next ten minutes. good, i'm ready. >> larry: laura -- >> larry, i have a question. can i ask you one question? just one question?

what it was like to kiss marlon brando? >> larry: he kissed me, okay? >> there was a moment there. >> larry: all right. let's get it straight. at the end of the first interview, i interviewed him subsequent to that, he for some reason kissed me on the lips. and. >> yeah. >> larry: you want to know the truth, laura. i can't stop thinking about him. >> i sensed it. i sensed it. there was a glow, larry. when he took the kleenex and blotted, your face, i remember that. >> i think you like it too. >> larry: laura goes around underground garages looking for diaries. we'll be back and talk about "the view," right after this. tee how drivers can get discounts up to 40 percent. your neighbors -- your neighbors can tell you, too. they're probably some of state farm's 40 million drivers. so talk to them. then call a state farm agent like me.

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>> larry: back with laura ingraham and marc lamont hill. president obama covered a wide

range of topics with the ladies of "the view," including race. here is a short excerpts from what he said. >> your mother was white. >> um-hum. >> why -- would it be helpful or why don't you say i'm not a black president, i'm biracial? >> you know, when i was young and going through the identity crisis that any teenager goes through. i wrote a whole book about this. >> yes. >> we all read it. >> part of what i realized was that if the world saw me as african-american, that was not something i needed to run away from, that was something i could go ahead and embrace. >> larry: laura, i know it must puzzle every -- why is racism still a question in this country?

>> well, larry, i think what happened, remember a year ago? the cambridge police incident with professor gates and the president weighed in and said that was a dumb thing the police officer did? that set off this national conversation? i think sadly a lot of people are disappointed that they thought they had a post racial president in president obama, and because of that, and maybe some of the things that happened with this immigration debate, they think he might be the most racial president. whether or not he wanted to be, and so on "the view," barbara walters was on her game. just a fact, half white, half black, biracial. he really stumbled on that question, i thought. i'm not a body language expert. i'll leave that to o'reily. it seemed he was struggling with that. he didn't really -- really answer the question. that is a fact. he is black, and he is white. and celebrate it. i mean, he didn't answer it. >> he actually did answer the

question. he made a point to say the world sees me as african-american. he understand the unique racial regularcy of the united states. at one point it had a one drop rule. if you had one drop of african blood in you, you were considered black. he is considered black to the police. if he were in cambridge with that police officer, he wouldn't we seen as birational. if a cab passes me by in new york, they don't wonder how much white or black is in me. >> we have a biracial or black -- we happen to have a man who is the first black president of the united states. and we had millions of people who came to washington, celebrating that. i mean, that was amazing for our country. that was -- was that not amazing? was that not a hurdle we cleared? >> yes, it was a hurdle, but it's a non sequitur. >> it's not a non sequitur. it's a fact.

>> if hillary clinton was president, we wouldn't say the world is not sexist. >> who is saying that there is no racism? i think obsessing on race when we have desperate joblessness -- >> laura -- >> larry: one at a time, hold it. one at a time, marc. one at a time, marc. >> laura pointed to the election of a black president of evidence that white supremacy no longer lingers, that's it is first thing. if you want to focus on public prosperity, black people on top of misery, including unemployment numbers. >> exactly. >> president obama is not the first to link race to public policy. when president bush ushered in no child left behind, he talked about the achievement gap between blacks and whiteses, nobody wants to be post racial, they want to be post racist. that's what we're fighting for. >> okay, you said a lot of things there, but the number one

thing i think as americans, we really want to get beyond the hyphenated america. i do. i'm half polish and irish, english. we want to get beyond that. the country is earning, larry and marc, for authenticity. they want someone to come forward and offer real solutions, black community, latino community, the american community. forget the color of your skin. we need prosperity and jobs in this country. >> back with more of laura ingraham and marc lamont hill.

what do you think of governor palin? sarah palin as a possible nominee of the republican party in 2012? >> well, larry, i'll still surveying the field. i'll ask the people behind me. what do you think of sarah palin? that's what they think of her. >> larry: what do you think of her? >> well, larry, here is what i think. i think sarah palin could get a really bad charlie horse and cnn would go 24/7 on it. you guys are obsessed with sarah palin. she's out there, a figure in conservative politics. she sparkles on stage. people love her. she's magnetic. we don't know whether she wants to run for president, whether she will. i think she is a force to be reckoned with, and i think she's

fascinating. i think a lot of people in the race are fascinating. i like her as a person and think she will do a lot for the party. >> larry: marc, what do you think? >> i think she's fascinating for a whole lot of reasons. she has an ability to be a kingmaker in local elections and statewide elections. do you think she has the talent or credentials to be president? no i do not. do i think she has the political muscles? no, i do not. i think mike huckabee is gearing up. mitt romney is a safe choice. i would love sarah palin to be the nominee. the obamas can sizing up the drinks right now for the next four years. >> one thing that's interesting, larry, she does have more chief executive experience than barack obama had when he ran for president. >> she is mayor of mayberry. >> maybe alaska doesn't count for marc, but it's a cool place.

>> larry: one thing before we leave, we only have 35 seconds. laura, how is your health? >> my health is great, larry. five years out, i don't call myself a survivor, i call myself by god good graces of god a thriver. two kids at home, 5 and 2, and they are my life now. i appreciate you asking. >> larry: does five years mean it's over? that cancer is done? >> well, larry, you know what they say, no one gets off this planet alive. so it's a snapshot. we have a snap of a finger, so i -- you know, i hope for the best. i don't really worry about it. >> larry: laura, congratulations on the book. marc, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, larry. thanks, marcus. >> larry: the book is "the obama diaries." i never expected my life to

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larry: michael moore is with us tonight the oscar award winning documentary and founder of the travers city film festival an annual event which kicks off right now, and through sunday and michael joins us from travis city and what is your reaction to the wikileaks to the afghan war documents? >> well, i think that we have this war machine that was built on a lie a number of years ago, incredible lies that have cost thousands of lives, billions of dollars and one brave soldier by the name of bradley manning

decided that the truth had to be told. and he said that he was willing to do it regardless of the consequences. and he essentially followed the nuremberg principles which is when you see something like this being committed and lies being told to bring your country to war, you have to speak out against it. you can't just line up and be a good german and do what you are told to do. so this brave soldier put up on the internet through wikileaks footage that was just absolutely incredible and sad and pathetic to watch, and for that now, he has been arrested. he's in jail, and this is the opposite should be happening. he should be rewarded for saying i witnessed a lie, a i'm going to tell my fellow americans the truth. >> larry: wikileaks will not confirm the source. and now he has been arrested, but the assumption is that he is the source, and it is not yet a fact. all right.

you see him as a hero and how do you see the leaks affecting the obama administration which has condemned them? >> well, that's a bit of an orwellian moment, because you have the obama administration essentially defending the cover-up and the lying that took place primarily during the bush years, and so for the obama administration to take this position is just that he should be saying, look, this is not exactly who we want in the armed forces. we want men and women of conscience and who will stand up for what they believe in. that is what this young soldier 22 years old has done, and he deserves our support and gratitude and the legal defense fund deserves our help and what we can do. i am disappointed that the obama administration does not give him a "profile in courage" award as opposed to the way he is being treated right now. >> larry: you backed obama in

2008, and more people are on the left angry at him than appear on the right. how do you feel now? do you think that possibly -- >> that is impossible. >> larry: do you think that a person on the left of obama politically might challenge him in 2012? >> no, i think that what needs to happen is that those of us who voted for him need to get him to do the things that we elected him to do and not to be afraid to do those things. it -- i think that has been the disappointment, but to say that people on the left are more against him than the people on the right, trust me, we know that is not true, the because all of the craziness that he has had to put up with, all of the racist comments that he has had to put up, and all of the questioning of whether or not he even an american citizen and all of this stuff, and our criticisms on the left are

because, you know, he is of good heart, and we believe that he will do the right thing. if he does not do the right thing, he will probably depress the vote on the democratic side this november, and the republicans could take back one or two houses of congress. i would hate to see that happen, so mr. obama, now is the chance to be all that you can be, and do the things that we elected you to do. if i can say, this incident last week with shirley sherrod and fox news was a good example of how the white house seems to be so deathly afraid of the other side that, that they were willing to get rid of this woman before fox even ran their attack. i mean, that is -- if that is really where we are at, and the majority of the country has said, we want a democrat in the country, and we want a democratic house, and we want a democratic senate, and we want them to do these things regarding the jobs, economy and the war, et cetera, and then

they cower in the oval office worrying about what fox news is going to do starting at 5:00 p.m., and then react in this crazy-making way. i mean, i hope they got a bit of the comeuppance this week and get back to the job we elected them to do. >> larry: concerning shirley sherrod, what does that say about race in america? >> well, we still have a big problem. that is what it says. we all know that. we know that we have had a big problem for a long time. it has gotten better, and things usually do get better, and hopefully this will continue to get better. our best hope really are the younger generation who have grown up in a much better environment where their friends and their relationships and their culture does not have racism as any building block of their foundation, and so, the future for me, i think it looks good, and right now, we have obviously a problem. >> larry: okay.

let's turn to the oil disaster and what are your thoughts on this whole mess? >> well, i have a number of thoughts. all of the obvious ones i don't need to state about british petroleum or the corporate conglomerates and the oil companies who buy the shots and buy our politicians and buy the government and buy the rule, and they rig it in such a way that where when the inspectors come to inspect these oil rigs, the corporation already fills it out for them, and then they just pencil it in and then ink over it so they don't have to really do any inspection, and that is just how pathetic it has gotten in terms of how the oil companies are running the show. but, i -- what i wondered is that it took what 85 days almost before they were able to plug the leak. i mean, larry, this was a seven-inch hole at the ocean

bed, and 36 inches in the pipe where we saw the oil gushing out. 36 inches and 7 inches. we are americans. for crying out loud, i mean, have we forgotten how to do anything that it would take us 85 days to figure out how the plug a 7 inch hole? i mean, really, what has happened to us? you could make a list of so many things of how our culture has just -- it is just that nothing works anymore. you can't get anybody on the phone. you know, if you do get anybody on the phone, they are, you know, they are in the philippines or some place. i just -- i just think that historians when they write about us are going to say that we allowed these corporations to become the government, and we the people thought we still had a say, but really don't. >> larry: michael moore, congratulations on six years. >> vote for a democrat. all right. thank you is much, larry. come to travers city, some time. >> larry: and now on to anderson co